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Raiders selected LSU OG Vadal Alexander with the No. 234 overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft.

Alexander (6'5/326) made 46 career starts for the Tigers, 25 at left guard and 21 at right tackle. He earned second-team All-American honors as a senior. Long armed (35 1/4") with huge hands (10 1/2"), Alexander is a downhill power blocker who underachieved on college tape, too often failing to sustain blocks and consistently struggling with edge speed. Alexander's best chance to hang in the NFL will be as a mauling, phone-booth guard. Apr 30 - 6:00 PM

 
Guess for now it's.... come on Heeney! Was hoping Scooby was going to make it past those last few picks so we could've made a run on him as UDFA. 

 
Hahahahaha, 

I will believe, until my dying day, that the Vadal Alexander pick was partly a bone thrown to the fan base.  Little rumbling about the Jihad and Cook picks, Reggie knows we'll eat up another Zamboni up front.  

I feel like Reggie's picks come down to two categories:  Value Pick, and 'Our Guys'.  The last two first rounds, we were pretty much chalk, so you couldn't get a feel for it.  But last year and this year had a similar feel, with the picks being an either/or situation:  Every pick, we are either over the moon, or scratching our heads. 

The Value Pick is the ones where we all shook our heads wisely.  Walford.  Gabe.  Jelly.  Carrie.  All considered real clean, good serious guys, and a litte bit of a steal.  Vadal Alexander.  Latavius.  No one is going to be mad at that Vadal pick.  That's the kind of #### we love.  

Our Guys are those players that I think Reggie takes his little gambles with.  I think he comes across like Ozzie Newsome, but Reggie is more likely to go off-script.  He finds these guys that you never looked at, never clicked on their link, but then when you look at them, they are all top athletes, that have some reason they may have slipped between the cracks.  Guys like Neiron Ball.  Mario.  Jihad.  Dexter McDonald.  Shelby.  Stacey McGee.  Hayden.

They all had a back story of some kind, some reason that pushed them off the radar.  

You rarely see picks like that with Cincy, or Baltimore, or Pitt.  I'm OK with the gamble, but you need one to pay off.  

I think Joseph was an Our Guy.  I think Reggie and Norton love the idea of strong safety play.  I think Ward was an Our Guy.  They are betting on a good kid who is an athlete, he's not a polished prospect they way Mario just got fat.  This kid was taking ferrys to Bally's to work out a few years ago.  Someone is going to have to teach this kid.  

Calhoun and Cook, I believe, were both Value Picks.  I think both picks are Reggie looking at the board, and saying, 'this HAS to be the guy, right?'  Making that move for Cook, they clearly had hi rated high, and couldn't ignore it any longer.  I am mildly intrigued, and really look forward to the last preseason game, to watch this kid chuck it around.  

Washington and James were 'Our Guys'.  Both have pretty great athletic profiles, Washington in particular.  But both could have been available later....probably.  

And Alexander was a Value Pick.  I mean, he can make the team, but has any team ever NOT needed a guard more than we DON'T need a guard?  

I thought for sure we would take a C at some point.  I don't think we have anyone that plays it behind Rodney.

 
From sbnation.



 



Oakland Raiders


1 (14). Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia

2 (44). Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois

3 (75). Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State

4 (100). Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State

5 (143). DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech

6 (194). Cory James, OLB, Colorado State

7 (234). Vadal Alexander, G, LSU

Best pick: Joseph - The Raiders could have gone in a number of different directions in the first round, and surprised a bit with Joseph. But he's a physical safety who should continue getting better at coverage.

Questionable pick: Ward - Although he gives the Raiders a versatile player on the defensive line, but they passed on some really good defensive linemen for him.

The Oakland Raiders added a tone setter in the secondary by picking Karl Joseph in the first round. He's going to crack some unassuming ball carriers in the NFL. Ward is a player up front who can be used at end or tackle for Oakland. Shilique Calhoun can play the run and the pass. If he consistently plays hard, he'll earn a starting job. Connor Cook was an interesting choice at No. 100 overall. His value was really good in the fourth round. The Raiders could develop him and eventually trade him. But he's a backup player on a roster that only needs few holes filled to push for a playoff spot.

DeAndre Washington is a solid third-down type of back for the Raiders, but it was a surprise to see him picked before a few running backs in this class. Sixth-round pick Cory James is a speedy linebacker that will star on special teams in the NFL. Seventh-round pick Vadal Alexander is a big blocker who should make the roster.

Overall grade: B-

 
From Pro Football Focus:


Oakland Raiders, B


1 (14) Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia
2 (44) Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois
3 (75) Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State
4 (100) (from Tennessee via Philadelphia) Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
5 (143) (from Dallas) Deandre Washington, RB, Texas Tech
6 (194) (from Indianapolis) Cory James, OLB, Colorado State
7 (234) Vadal Alexander, G, LSU

Day 1: While Joseph was No. 30 on the PFF draft board, taking the top safety prospect in this class at No. 14 is still a good pick, as Joseph brings great versatility to the Raiders’ secondary. He made plays all over the field in coverage early in 2015, whether playing center field, in the box or in man coverage — all part of his impressive 240-play sample before injury ended his season. Joseph can also work downhill in the running game, and the Raiders are hoping that his 17 missed tackles from 2014 are a thing of the past.

Day 2: Ward did little to inspire confidence at Illinois, although he could develop into a good run defender. He had the 69th-best overall grade among edge defenders in the class and the 100th-best pass-rush grade at -0.3. On the other hand, Calhoun ranked second in the nation with a +44.0 pass rush grade, and while he’s not great in the run game, he can get after the quarterback early in his career. His 144 total pressures over two seasons were second only to No. 3 overall pick Joey Bosa (who had 145 for Ohio State).

Day 3: Cook is good value at the top of the fourth as he has a chance to at least become a tradable commodity down the road. He was ranked at No. 75 on the PFF draft board. Washington posted the third-best elusive rating in the class at 86.1, and he forced 67 missed tackles on 271 touches last season.

 
With their seventh round selection at Pick #234, the Raiders have picked LSU guard Vadal Alexander. The Raiders have two quality starting offensive guards in Kelechi Osemele and Gabe Jackson, but the addition of Alexander gives the Silver and Black more depth on the offensive line.

At 6'5", 326 lbs, Alexander is a huge guard that also has experience playing offensive tackle. He earned First Team All-SEC Honors in 2015 and was projected a third round draft pick by NFL Network. Alexander fell in the draft after running the slowest 40-yard dash (5.62) of any offensive lineman at the NFL Combine. He was the top graded offensive lineman in pass rush drills at the Senior Bowl by Pro Football Focus.

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/4/30/11545912/nfl-draft-2016-raiders-select-vadal-alexander-in-seventh-round

 
With their seventh round selection at Pick #234, the Raiders have picked LSU guard Vadal Alexander. The Raiders have two quality starting offensive guards in Kelechi Osemele and Gabe Jackson, but the addition of Alexander gives the Silver and Black more depth on the offensive line.

At 6'5", 326 lbs, Alexander is a huge guard that also has experience playing offensive tackle. He earned First Team All-SEC Honors in 2015 and was projected a third round draft pick by NFL Network. Alexander fell in the draft after running the slowest 40-yard dash (5.62) of any offensive lineman at the NFL Combine. He was the top graded offensive lineman in pass rush drills at the Senior Bowl by Pro Football Focus.

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/4/30/11545912/nfl-draft-2016-raiders-select-vadal-alexander-in-seventh-round
who cares how fast a 300 pounder can run 40 yards lol...thank god ...he was the steal of the draft 

 
As much as I was nervous after even rounds, I was excited by the odd rounds.

1 Joseph

3 Calhoun

5 Washington

7 Alexander

These are four players right here that will contibute materially to this team IMO.

Now add: 2 Jihad, 4 Cook, 6th rd LB I'd never heard of but looks like a poor man's Darron Lee, and this draft turns into a homerun if one or more of the three even picks works out well.

To me the counter-jewel to this class is Washington. He's a scat year one with feature back upside. He's Justin Forsett style, better if he's as strong as I think he might be. The best of his type (smaller power ball non-elite speed receiver RB) in the modern era was Priest. He could be our Dion Lewis.

Calhoun. Steal. Edge D is looking Denverish.

And I've warmed up to Jihad and even Cook. Ward has sick upside. Why not if you are confident you will kill the rest of your picks (and do it). Backup QBs are valuable and Cook in rd 4 was value.

Rd 7 Vadal makes this team IMO. Feliciano better watch his pear.

McKenzie gets benefit of the doubt. Feeling optimistic after further review.

 
To me the counter-jewel to this class is Washington. He's a scat year one with feature back upside. He's Justin Forsett style, better if he's as strong as I think he might be. The best of his type (smaller power ball non-elite speed receiver RB) in the modern era was Priest. He could be our Dion Lewis.
Holmes and Dion? Wow, that's aiming high, lacking either's vision or second level gears. Hope that's the case, but mostly see him as a 3rd down/receiving back and potential special teams contributor who brings some elusiveness and ability to create.

Watching some of his tape, I like what I see, but he may have some trouble in pass pro with bigger, faster defensive linemen and LBs -- but not because he won't be sticking himself in opponent's grills. Will be good to see how he can develop and add something else dynamic to our attack. 

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/04/2016-nfl-draft-player-profiles-texas-tech-rb-deandre-washington/

 
Bob McGinn has a great series where he ranks players according to what scouts tell him.  Here ar the write ups of player we took that made the top 10 at their position.

1. KARL JOSEPH, West Virginia (5-9 ½, 206, 4.55, 2): Possibly the hardest hitter in the draft. "He will separate you from your helmet," said one scout. "He hits you, the play is over. He's knocked out I think eight people in his career. For a guy that is an absolute meteorite as a tackler, he's a pretty good tackler, too. Before he got hurt this year he had five interceptions in (four) games. His biggest questions are height and prolonged durability." Suffered a torn ACL in practice but is on schedule to play this season. "Love this kid," said another scout. "Bright, humble. He's built well, he will hold up physically and he can cover." Started 42 games, finishing with 194 tackles (16 ½ for loss), 9 picks and 8 PBUs. "Oh, man, he's tough as hell," said a third scout. "He's something else." From Orlando, Fla. Wonderlic of 18.

7. JIHAD WARD, Illinois (6-5, 298, 5.10, 2): Two years of junior college followed by two years (25 starts) for the Illini. “From North Philly. I don’t know how he made it out,” one scout said. “It’s not really natural to him but I can see the growth in the kid. There’s a guy who will give you everything he’s got. He made a play against Iowa where he ran 50 yards down the field and knocked the quarterback out of bounds. I’m taking that kid in the second. He’s a 5-technique with 3-technique nickel rush.” Finished with 104 tackles (12 1/2 for loss) and 4 ½ sacks. Calls Green Bay’s Julius Peppers his favorite player. “Little bit between an end and a tackle,” a second scout said. “He’s got all the physical stuff you look for but you don’t see enough on tape. His ability to learn it and take it to the field and produce ... maybe they’ve moved him around too much and he’s not capable of doing that.”

9. SHILIQUE CALHOUN, Michigan State (6-4 ½, 250, 4.84, 2): Three-year starter, two-time captain. “He’s kind of got a little Michael Oher situation in his background,” one scout said. “Surrogate parents. He’s a good kid, no character issues, but they spoiled him a little bit. I think they overdid it and made him too soft. I just wanted to see the killer instinct. I just want to see a little more toughness.” From Middletown, N.J. Finished with 131 tackles (44 for loss) and 27 sacks, second in Spartans’ history. “In that body is a pretty good football player if he was able to put it in gear,” another scout said. “Questionable urgency. Stays on blocks too long and kind of watches things. More of a slippery, finesse type run defender.” Ran a disappointing 40 at the combine. “I don’t think he has a heart,” a third scout said. “I’ve been burned too many times by guys that don’t play hard.”

4. CONNOR COOK, Michigan State (6-4, 216, 4.79, 1-2): Three-year starter and winningest QB (34-5) in Spartans' history. "He has a great release and he improved his feet last year," one scout said. "He won a whole hell of a lot of games. What All-Americans did they have on offense this year with the exception of the left tackle (Jack Conklin), who missed about four (actually two) games? Could he fail? Yes, because I don't really know what his mental makeup is. He has talent." Broke many records set by Kirk Cousins, a three-year captain at MSU from 2009-'11 who is regarded as an all-time leader. "Let's put it this way: he's not Kirk Cousins," another scout said. "The person kills him. Selfish. He goes out too much. It's a tell-tale sign when your teammates don't like you, and I know they don't. He's good, but that position is more than physical attributes. It's also leadership. Is he going to lead your guys? I don't think so. He'll be a starter but I don't think he can lead you to the promised land." Fifth-year senior from Hinckley, Ohio. Passer rating was 95.2, Wonderlic was 25. "He stinks," a third scout said. "Wildly inaccurate (57.5% career). Average arm, average mobility, average field vision. Not a leader. Not aware. Someone will take him in the second, third or fourth round and he's going to disappoint. The owner needs to fire the GM right after they pick him if someone takes him in the first. But when the Buffalo Bills took EJ Manuel in the first, all bets are off."

10. VADAL ALEXANDER, Louisiana State (6-5, 326, 5.58, 5): Voted LSU's co-MVP on offense with RB Leonard Fournette after moving from guard to RT. "It wasn't fair to him this year at tackle because he's not a real good athlete," said one scout. "He is really a powerful person." His 46 starts include 25 at LG, 20 at RT and one at LT. "His feet are all right at guard," a second scout said. "He might have trouble during some one-on-one drills in camp but he'll end up mauling you. He'll do all right. There's been a lot of guards like that." Added a third scout: "Needs hard coaching. Once he engages he'll work to finish. Not a bad athlete considering how fat he is." From Buford, Ga.

 
A wrap-up of the Oakland Raiders' draft.

Best move: Snagging hard-hitting safety Karl Joseph from West Virginia with their first-round pick at No. 14 overall. Even as there are questions about Joseph’s knee being ready by training camp in late July, he addressed an immediate need in the secondary and no doubt he would have been gone in the second round had the Raiders waited. He’s a fierce hitter and a ball hawk, as evidenced by his five interceptions in the four games in which he played before suffering his season-ending knee injury in practice. As long as he is healthy, he will push Nate Allen for the starting strong safety position.

Riskiest move: Using a second-round pick on Jihad Ward, who is also possibly in need of a minor knee procedure. Is he raw? Is he a project? Raiders coach Jack Del Rio and general manager Reggie McKenzie seemed at odds on applying a title to Ward but this much is true: Considering his standing as the No. 44 overall draft pick, Ward needs to produce and produce fast -- even with the likes of Bruce Irvin and Khalil Mack already on the roster and Aldon Smithdue to return in November from suspension. Especially if Mario Edwards Jr.’s neck issue keeps him sidelined. In fact, Ward had just 1.5 sacks last season at Illinois.

Most surprising move: Trading up to take Michigan State’s Connor Cook, the fourth-rated quarterback in the entire draft, with the second pick of the fourth round, No. 100 overall. Look, the Raiders already have a franchise quarterback inDerek Carr and a serviceable backup in Matt McGloin and there are questions about Cook’s ability to fit in and lead. Maybe this humbles him, and he accepts his role. Maybe if Carr falters, Cook steps in and thrives. Then again, by moving up, the Raiders blocked the Dallas Cowboys from taking him. Maybe McKenzie still felt the sting of the Philadelphia Eagles moving in front of him three years ago to draft Matt Barkley?

File it away: McKenzie could not believe his luck when he saw that LSU’s mammoth Vadal Alexander, who was ranked as the No. 2 guard in the class by the Pro Football Draft Guide, was still there in the seventh round. The Raiders scooped him up with the 13th pick of the round, No. 234 overall. It would not be a shock to see the 6-foot-6, 329-pound Alexander work his way into the huge O-line’s rotation early on this season.

Thumbs down: With a caveat. Early on it seemed as though the Raiders were bent on drafting players with knee issues, though they did address needs at safety and pass-rusher. But they did not draft a pure middle linebacker and, instead of finding a serviceable backup quarterback late in the draft, they took the fourth-ranked prospect in Cook, even though they already have a franchise starter in Carr. Looking at it through the prism of having to fill needs with immediate contributors, it’s a head-scratcher of a draft. Looking at it as a draft for the future, it’s more than functional.
 

 
Bob McGinn has a great series where he ranks players according to what scouts tell him.  Here ar the write ups of player we took that made the top 10 at their position.

1. KARL JOSEPH, West Virginia (5-9 ½, 206, 4.55, 2): Possibly the hardest hitter in the draft. "He will separate you from your helmet," said one scout. "He hits you, the play is over. He's knocked out I think eight people in his career. For a guy that is an absolute meteorite as a tackler, he's a pretty good tackler, too. Before he got hurt this year he had five interceptions in (four) games. His biggest questions are height and prolonged durability." Suffered a torn ACL in practice but is on schedule to play this season. "Love this kid," said another scout. "Bright, humble. He's built well, he will hold up physically and he can cover." Started 42 games, finishing with 194 tackles (16 ½ for loss), 9 picks and 8 PBUs. "Oh, man, he's tough as hell," said a third scout. "He's something else." From Orlando, Fla. Wonderlic of 18.

7. JIHAD WARD, Illinois (6-5, 298, 5.10, 2): Two years of junior college followed by two years (25 starts) for the Illini. “From North Philly. I don’t know how he made it out,” one scout said. “It’s not really natural to him but I can see the growth in the kid. There’s a guy who will give you everything he’s got. He made a play against Iowa where he ran 50 yards down the field and knocked the quarterback out of bounds. I’m taking that kid in the second. He’s a 5-technique with 3-technique nickel rush.” Finished with 104 tackles (12 1/2 for loss) and 4 ½ sacks. Calls Green Bay’s Julius Peppers his favorite player. “Little bit between an end and a tackle,” a second scout said. “He’s got all the physical stuff you look for but you don’t see enough on tape. His ability to learn it and take it to the field and produce ... maybe they’ve moved him around too much and he’s not capable of doing that.”

9. SHILIQUE CALHOUN, Michigan State (6-4 ½, 250, 4.84, 2): Three-year starter, two-time captain. “He’s kind of got a little Michael Oher situation in his background,” one scout said. “Surrogate parents. He’s a good kid, no character issues, but they spoiled him a little bit. I think they overdid it and made him too soft. I just wanted to see the killer instinct. I just want to see a little more toughness.” From Middletown, N.J. Finished with 131 tackles (44 for loss) and 27 sacks, second in Spartans’ history. “In that body is a pretty good football player if he was able to put it in gear,” another scout said. “Questionable urgency. Stays on blocks too long and kind of watches things. More of a slippery, finesse type run defender.” Ran a disappointing 40 at the combine. “I don’t think he has a heart,” a third scout said. “I’ve been burned too many times by guys that don’t play hard.”

4. CONNOR COOK, Michigan State (6-4, 216, 4.79, 1-2): Three-year starter and winningest QB (34-5) in Spartans' history. "He has a great release and he improved his feet last year," one scout said. "He won a whole hell of a lot of games. What All-Americans did they have on offense this year with the exception of the left tackle (Jack Conklin), who missed about four (actually two) games? Could he fail? Yes, because I don't really know what his mental makeup is. He has talent." Broke many records set by Kirk Cousins, a three-year captain at MSU from 2009-'11 who is regarded as an all-time leader. "Let's put it this way: he's not Kirk Cousins," another scout said. "The person kills him. Selfish. He goes out too much. It's a tell-tale sign when your teammates don't like you, and I know they don't. He's good, but that position is more than physical attributes. It's also leadership. Is he going to lead your guys? I don't think so. He'll be a starter but I don't think he can lead you to the promised land." Fifth-year senior from Hinckley, Ohio. Passer rating was 95.2, Wonderlic was 25. "He stinks," a third scout said. "Wildly inaccurate (57.5% career). Average arm, average mobility, average field vision. Not a leader. Not aware. Someone will take him in the second, third or fourth round and he's going to disappoint. The owner needs to fire the GM right after they pick him if someone takes him in the first. But when the Buffalo Bills took EJ Manuel in the first, all bets are off."

10. VADAL ALEXANDER, Louisiana State (6-5, 326, 5.58, 5): Voted LSU's co-MVP on offense with RB Leonard Fournette after moving from guard to RT. "It wasn't fair to him this year at tackle because he's not a real good athlete," said one scout. "He is really a powerful person." His 46 starts include 25 at LG, 20 at RT and one at LT. "His feet are all right at guard," a second scout said. "He might have trouble during some one-on-one drills in camp but he'll end up mauling you. He'll do all right. There's been a lot of guards like that." Added a third scout: "Needs hard coaching. Once he engages he'll work to finish. Not a bad athlete considering how fat he is." From Buford, Ga.
Great read. Some brutally honest opinions in there. I like it. The Ward pick kind of reminds me of the Melenik Watson pick a couple years ago. A raw, developmental project with a strong work ethic that the average person (fan) has never heard of. I'm anxious to see the kid play. 

 
Bob McGinn has a great series where he ranks players according to what scouts tell him.  Here ar the write ups of player we took that made the top 10 at their position.

1. KARL JOSEPH, West Virginia (5-9 ½, 206, 4.55, 2): Possibly the hardest hitter in the draft. "He will separate you from your helmet," said one scout. "He hits you, the play is over. He's knocked out I think eight people in his career. For a guy that is an absolute meteorite as a tackler, he's a pretty good tackler, too. Before he got hurt this year he had five interceptions in (four) games. His biggest questions are height and prolonged durability." Suffered a torn ACL in practice but is on schedule to play this season. "Love this kid," said another scout. "Bright, humble. He's built well, he will hold up physically and he can cover." Started 42 games, finishing with 194 tackles (16 ½ for loss), 9 picks and 8 PBUs. "Oh, man, he's tough as hell," said a third scout. "He's something else." From Orlando, Fla. Wonderlic of 18.

7. JIHAD WARD, Illinois (6-5, 298, 5.10, 2): Two years of junior college followed by two years (25 starts) for the Illini. “From North Philly. I don’t know how he made it out,” one scout said. “It’s not really natural to him but I can see the growth in the kid. There’s a guy who will give you everything he’s got. He made a play against Iowa where he ran 50 yards down the field and knocked the quarterback out of bounds. I’m taking that kid in the second. He’s a 5-technique with 3-technique nickel rush.” Finished with 104 tackles (12 1/2 for loss) and 4 ½ sacks. Calls Green Bay’s Julius Peppers his favorite player. “Little bit between an end and a tackle,” a second scout said. “He’s got all the physical stuff you look for but you don’t see enough on tape. His ability to learn it and take it to the field and produce ... maybe they’ve moved him around too much and he’s not capable of doing that.”

9. SHILIQUE CALHOUN, Michigan State (6-4 ½, 250, 4.84, 2): Three-year starter, two-time captain. “He’s kind of got a little Michael Oher situation in his background,” one scout said. “Surrogate parents. He’s a good kid, no character issues, but they spoiled him a little bit. I think they overdid it and made him too soft. I just wanted to see the killer instinct. I just want to see a little more toughness.” From Middletown, N.J. Finished with 131 tackles (44 for loss) and 27 sacks, second in Spartans’ history. “In that body is a pretty good football player if he was able to put it in gear,” another scout said. “Questionable urgency. Stays on blocks too long and kind of watches things. More of a slippery, finesse type run defender.” Ran a disappointing 40 at the combine. “I don’t think he has a heart,” a third scout said. “I’ve been burned too many times by guys that don’t play hard.”

4. CONNOR COOK, Michigan State (6-4, 216, 4.79, 1-2): Three-year starter and winningest QB (34-5) in Spartans' history. "He has a great release and he improved his feet last year," one scout said. "He won a whole hell of a lot of games. What All-Americans did they have on offense this year with the exception of the left tackle (Jack Conklin), who missed about four (actually two) games? Could he fail? Yes, because I don't really know what his mental makeup is. He has talent." Broke many records set by Kirk Cousins, a three-year captain at MSU from 2009-'11 who is regarded as an all-time leader. "Let's put it this way: he's not Kirk Cousins," another scout said. "The person kills him. Selfish. He goes out too much. It's a tell-tale sign when your teammates don't like you, and I know they don't. He's good, but that position is more than physical attributes. It's also leadership. Is he going to lead your guys? I don't think so. He'll be a starter but I don't think he can lead you to the promised land." Fifth-year senior from Hinckley, Ohio. Passer rating was 95.2, Wonderlic was 25. "He stinks," a third scout said. "Wildly inaccurate (57.5% career). Average arm, average mobility, average field vision. Not a leader. Not aware. Someone will take him in the second, third or fourth round and he's going to disappoint. The owner needs to fire the GM right after they pick him if someone takes him in the first. But when the Buffalo Bills took EJ Manuel in the first, all bets are off."

10. VADAL ALEXANDER, Louisiana State (6-5, 326, 5.58, 5): Voted LSU's co-MVP on offense with RB Leonard Fournette after moving from guard to RT. "It wasn't fair to him this year at tackle because he's not a real good athlete," said one scout. "He is really a powerful person." His 46 starts include 25 at LG, 20 at RT and one at LT. "His feet are all right at guard," a second scout said. "He might have trouble during some one-on-one drills in camp but he'll end up mauling you. He'll do all right. There's been a lot of guards like that." Added a third scout: "Needs hard coaching. Once he engages he'll work to finish. Not a bad athlete considering how fat he is." From Buford, Ga.
Great find, mass, and great read. Have to take it all with some grains of salt, as you'll find tons of trash about any player from scouts. But makes me wonder further about Ward, Calhoun, and Cook picks in terms of other directions we could have gone.

Great comp to Menelik with Ward, but I'm not convinced we can truly develop raw athletes like this, and not sure the NFL is a place to grow your skills as opposed to hone the proven ones you have. 

Calhoun has great measurable a and track record - will need to trust in these rather than the consistent lack of heart/effort comments from scouts. But that's a flag I hadn't heard of before.

Cook's warts of selfishness were known. Tons of value where we got him. Maybe he's got the talent to really push Carr, but from what I've seen in McGloin, that guy performed admirably when needed and seemed to be the leader Cook isn't. So will Cook really provide that push more than McGloin does already based on talent alone? Would it have been better to nab a pure ILB instead?

woulda coulda shoulda - drafts always make me question the opportunity cost of going other directions instead of the ones we did.

In Reggie We Trust.

 
Yeah. In Reggie we trust, for sure. 

But, boy, would this draft be lambasted if not for the past 2 years of great draft results. In a vacuum, this draft is underwhelming overall. 

Thankfully, we're not in a vacuum. 

 
Yeah. In Reggie we trust, for sure. 

But, boy, would this draft be lambasted if not for the past 2 years of great draft results. In a vacuum, this draft is underwhelming overall. 

Thankfully, we're not in a vacuum. 
but thats kind of the point...we drafted out of a little bit of a comfort zone ...we have shored up so many spots and have some real football talent now that we could afford to take some chances...if they pay off then the skies the limit

 
Yeah. In Reggie we trust, for sure. 

But, boy, would this draft be lambasted if not for the past 2 years of great draft results. In a vacuum, this draft is underwhelming overall. 

Thankfully, we're not in a vacuum. 
I really liked our draft.  The Cook pick is going to be one of the steals of this year's draft class....we basically saved almost 2 million a year in salary for our backup qb.  If Carr continues to excel and become elite we can always trade Cook to a number of QB starved teams for more than a 4th round draft pick.

 
Yeah. In Reggie we trust, for sure. 

But, boy, would this draft be lambasted if not for the past 2 years of great draft results. In a vacuum, this draft is underwhelming overall. 

Thankfully, we're not in a vacuum. 
Generally you can't judge a draft until two or three seasons have passed and you certainly can't judge one before even one game has been played.

I hate that every one and their uncle tries to grade drafts immediately following the actual draft...heck they now do it during the draft.  It's nonsense.

 
Holmes and Dion? Wow, that's aiming high, lacking either's vision or second level gears. Hope that's the case, but mostly see him as a 3rd down/receiving back and potential special teams contributor who brings some elusiveness and ability to create.

Watching some of his tape, I like what I see, but he may have some trouble in pass pro with bigger, faster defensive linemen and LBs -- but not because he won't be sticking himself in opponent's grills. Will be good to see how he can develop and add something else dynamic to our attack. 

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/04/2016-nfl-draft-player-profiles-texas-tech-rb-deandre-washington/
I didn't say Washington is Priest. I said he is Justin Forsett or possibly a better version of that type of back (Dion Lewis). All these guys are hard runners despite being short. That's what separates them from your more typical scatback.

 
I didn't say Washington is Priest. I said he is Justin Forsett or possibly a better version of that type of back (Dion Lewis). All these guys are hard runners despite being short. That's what separates them from your more typical scatback.
You said the best of the kind of back you think Washington is, is Priest Holmes. That implies that you feel Priest Holmes level of play can be Washington's ceiling. Who knows, maybe he can reach those levels, but from the tape I saw, I think he is more the scat back/COP/3rd down passing back type. Priest Holmes was a different kind of back -- had similar height but much heavier and a much different power running style.

Forsett and Lewis are much better comparisons, in both height/weight and having moved from a situational COP/3rd down back to a 3 down starter. Like you, hope Washington can develop into that -- we'll see. 

 
MJD - 5'7" 210lb

Ray Rice - 5'8" 206

Washington isn't such a small frame and dude does not seem to be scared of contact. Seems to be always churning for extra yards after contact. Not saying he's going to be a world beater but I'm interested to see what he can do and don't necessarily consider him a scat back. Warrick Dunn was smaller than him but was he a scat back?

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
You said the best of the kind of back you think Washington is, is Priest Holmes. That implies that you feel Priest Holmes level of play can be Washington's ceiling. Who knows, maybe he can reach those levels, but from the tape I saw, I think he is more the scat back/COP/3rd down passing back type. Priest Holmes was a different kind of back -- had similar height but much heavier and a much different power running style.

Forsett and Lewis are much better comparisons, in both height/weight and having moved from a situational COP/3rd down back to a 3 down starter. Like you, hope Washington can develop into that -- we'll see. 
I said Priest was the best of this style of RB in the modern era. You inferred that as Washington's ceiling when all it really was is the best example of a COP scatback developing into a 3-down starter. IMO Washington has the potential to do that, but I'm not expecting him to ever become Priest Holmes. Forsett/Dion Lewis, even Ray Rice level, maybe.

 
You inferred that as Washington's ceiling when all it really was is the best example of a COP scatback developing into a 3-down starter.
This means the same thing to me. If you're saying Priest Holmes is a similar style back, and represents the best this kind of back could be, doesn't that implies that Washington, if he can achieve the top height of this kind of back's ability, has the same ceiling?

Not sure it's worth arguing over -- the main point I had was Priest Holmes to me was a different kind of back, both in size/stature, running style, and being a 3 down back coming out of college. Though he split a lot of time as a sophomore and then as a senior coming back from injury with Ricky Williams, he was simply dominant, with performances in the Sun Bowl (161/4TDs) and the Big 12 Championship game (120/3TDs) that showed he could put a team on his shoulders. As a back, he had a great combination of elusiveness, field vision, and hardnosed running power.

It's the power and vision that sets Holmes outside of Washington (who has breakaway speed and elusiveness, but not the same kind of punching power) and the kind of backs I do agree with you in terms of comparing them to Washington -- Forsett and Lewis.

Will or can Washington become a Holmes-type of back? I have no idea, and definitely hope so. His senior year showed more involvement in the offense in terms of carries/game, and he's got swagger and heart. Even if he can get to the playing level of Forsett and Lewis, that will be a goldmine and a huge contribution for us.

 
STC,

Not sure why you keep focusing on Washington not being able to be Priest, when I've already said that's not what I meant. Forsett, Lewis, Rice are my ceilings for him, but I think he's already at Forsett status, except for the pro experience, of course, which is huge. All of these guys, including Priest, are the same type of RB IMO. Short, squatty, powerful, dynamic in running and passing game.

I also think Washington runs with more power than you give him credit for, but won't be needed as a feature back for at least 1 to 2 more years, if ever. He'll start as a COP, a good one; but I think his developmental upside is actually the three backs above, in good part because I see a guy who is short, but not small and breaks tackles (kid runs hard). I called him McKenzie's counter-jewel and maybe that was an overstatement, We'll see, but I think he's an immediate and long-term contributor.

 
Well this is where Reggie will either make his bones or not.  I'll let it play out, but I'm not over the moon here.  The expert reaction on Joseph has me feeling better about that pick, and if he's your guy you get him, all you gotta do is be right who cares if he's a "reach" by 1/2 a round.  But boy he better be right making a pick on a guy that absolutely no one was talking about as a first rounder and who may have a knee issue.  Same deal on Ward - if he's right, all the credit in the world, but there were much more popular guys on the board when that pick was made.  I like the Calhoun and Cook picks and love the Alexander value.  A little surprised there wasn't a little more investment in RB, they must really believe in Murray (or will just be airing it out all year).

 
Well this is where Reggie will either make his bones or not.  I'll let it play out, but I'm not over the moon here.  The expert reaction on Joseph has me feeling better about that pick, and if he's your guy you get him, all you gotta do is be right who cares if he's a "reach" by 1/2 a round.  But boy he better be right making a pick on a guy that absolutely no one was talking about as a first rounder and who may have a knee issue.  Same deal on Ward - if he's right, all the credit in the world, but there were much more popular guys on the board when that pick was made.  I like the Calhoun and Cook picks and love the Alexander value.  A little surprised there wasn't a little more investment in RB, they must really believe in Murray (or will just be airing it out all year).
I actually saw a lot of people projecting Joseph to be a first rounder, usually between 20 and 30.  I don't think there is any way in the world he was making it out of the first round.

 
Well this is where Reggie will either make his bones or not.  I'll let it play out, but I'm not over the moon here.  The expert reaction on Joseph has me feeling better about that pick, and if he's your guy you get him, all you gotta do is be right who cares if he's a "reach" by 1/2 a round.  But boy he better be right making a pick on a guy that absolutely no one was talking about as a first rounder and who may have a knee issue.  Same deal on Ward - if he's right, all the credit in the world, but there were much more popular guys on the board when that pick was made.  I like the Calhoun and Cook picks and love the Alexander value.  A little surprised there wasn't a little more investment in RB, they must really believe in Murray (or will just be airing it out all year).
The more I dug into him the more it seemed that he would have been a top 20 pick for sure if not for the injury (assuming same or not too deep of drop off in production for the rest of the year). What was it? 5 INT's in 4 games? AND he is a hard hitting safety. A ball hawking SS is nice to have an valuable. Most teams have to pick from either a guy who can tackle/hit or a guy who can cover. Not many at SS are adept at both. Seems like this guy may very well fit that. If healthy and if as good as he looks- he will be a good selection at 14. Right off the back, he fills that SS spot and now we are good at safety positions and have a bit of depth too with Nelson at FS.

 
STC,

Not sure why you keep focusing on Washington not being able to be Priest, when I've already said that's not what I meant. Forsett, Lewis, Rice are my ceilings for him, but I think he's already at Forsett status, except for the pro experience, of course, which is huge. All of these guys, including Priest, are the same type of RB IMO. Short, squatty, powerful, dynamic in running and passing game.

I also think Washington runs with more power than you give him credit for, but won't be needed as a feature back for at least 1 to 2 more years, if ever. He'll start as a COP, a good one; but I think his developmental upside is actually the three backs above, in good part because I see a guy who is short, but not small and breaks tackles (kid runs hard). I called him McKenzie's counter-jewel and maybe that was an overstatement, We'll see, but I think he's an immediate and long-term contributor.
Peace, it's all good. You see Priest in the same category, I see him a little differently.

I'll be the first guy to admit I haven't seen a lot of tape on Washington outside of what's available on YouTube and on draft sites. I see his heart and that he churns his legs, haven't seen as much in the highlights in terms of how he bulls into the line or attacking defenders, pushing piles, etc. Will say he's not afraid of contact.

And will also admit if I'm wrong and Washington develops into a total 3 down back -- and the first guy to cheer him along with you as he does.

And I see your comparison with Forsett and Lewis (Priest and Rice to me are slightly different -- yes, they are both around the same height, but are also more punishing runners -- that +20 lbs makes a difference), and he's certainly elusive. 

Immediate and long term contributor, I buy. But I guess I take a more cautious, "Missouri" approach -- Washington can show me what he can do in real game time situations -- before I start believing he is already at the same level of play as a Pro Bowl alternate who led his team into the playoffs with 230+ carries, 1200+ yards, 8 TDs, and 260+ reception yards in NFL play.  

 
Generally you can't judge a draft until two or three seasons have passed and you certainly can't judge one before even one game has been played.

I hate that every one and their uncle tries to grade drafts immediately following the actual draft...heck they now do it during the draft.  It's nonsense.
You can extend that even further to all the ridiculous mock drafts the "experts" do. Just a bunch of mental masturbation due to a lack of noteworthy news. 

 
You can extend that even further to all the ridiculous mock drafts the "experts" do. Just a bunch of mental masturbation due to a lack of noteworthy news. 
Well, yea, and I think all of them know it. How many times have I heard comments about mock drafts on NFL network even while they are doing them. It seems to me to be like conference calls in the real world. No one likes them. They are useless. No one wants to be do them. But you have to because the bosses say so.

 
One the draft is over, literally the second it is over, draft position doesn't matter to me anymore.  Because we are relying on flawed sources, a consensus of people that are working with much, much less info.  Also, we have no idea where the player would have gone if the team hasn't taken him.  

Here's a better way to maintain perspective:  Imagine what picks the Raiders could have made,t hat would have been seen as AMAZING, but now we CLEARLY know would have been terrible reaches.  

1st round:  Andre Billings/Jonathan Bullard/Chris Jones/Mackensie Alexander.  Pick your favorite.  All mild to horrible reaches.  But all clearly reaches at #14.

2nd round:  Kenneth Dixon--Middle of the 2nd round, we get a guy people liked more than Derrick Henry.  Horrible reach.  3 rounds too early.  

3rd round:  Jeremy Cash--UN-####ing-drafted.  Not drafted at all.  People were talking 2nd round not long ago.  

We don't know if Mario Edwards could have been taken a round later last year.  Or if Jihad could have been taken in the 3rd.  But we do know that a LOT of people Raider fans were excited about....no one in the NFL agreed.  

My big thing is:  We didn't draft a guy that I didn't want, under any circumstances.  Like Billings, or Conklin, or Henry, or Nkemdiche.  That's a relief.  

 
Oakland Raiders1 (14). West Virginia S Karl Joseph2 (44). Illinois DE Jihad Ward3 (75). Michigan State DE/OLB Shilique Calhoun4 (100). Michigan State QB Connor Cook5 (143). Texas Tech RB DeAndre Washington6 (194). Colorado State LB Cory James7 (234). LSU OG Vadal AlexanderOverview: Joseph solidifies a suddenly imposing Raiders pass defense that will field two long, physical press corners (Sean SmithDavid Amerson), 2015 NFL interceptions leader Reggie Nelson, Oakland's new first-round safety, and the Khalil Mack-Bruce Irvin edge-rush tandem, which suspended Aldon Smith should join eventually. GM Reggie McKenzie attacked a needy front seven with each of his day-two picks, before surprisingly trading up for Cook near the top of round four. With 4.49 speed and 124 college catches, Washington could give Oakland early passing-game contributions behind Latavius Murray, who has struggled in that area. James has a future on special teams and Alexander is a phone-booth mauler. Since a painfully slow start to his tenure as GM (e.g. D.J. HaydenMike Brisiel, theRodger Saffold blunder, losing Jared VeldheerMatt FlynnMatt SchaubMenelik WatsonSio MooreTyler Wilson,LaMarr Woodley), McKenzie has caught fire and stayed hot this draft weekend. I'd expect as many as five players from this class to become early contributors in Oakland.Grade: B+

 
Now that the draft is over and we're in year four of the Reggie Mckenzie era, let's take a deeper look into his deconstruction/rebuilding project that is the Oakland Raiders.

2002-2011- The demise of Mr. Davis.... For all the greatness Al Davis accomplished in the 60s, 70s and early 80s (to a lesser extent, the late 90s and early 00s. Gruden gets the majority of the credit here.) he unfortunately single-handedly ran the organization into the ground by making horrible draft picks (JaMarcus, DHB, McFadden, Huff etc...), giving away picks for aging vets (Seymour, Palmer), signing over-the-hill vets to outrageous contracts (Javon Walker, Moss, Sapp and many, many others). But most importantly, letting Jon Gruden leave. After making his last blunder to acquire Carson Palmer Mr. Davis passed away and left a mess of a franchise to his son. And Mark did the smartest thing the organization had done since bringing in Gruden, hired a GM. In comes Reggie.....

2012- Imagine being Reggie. He has had the highest mountain to climb as any new GM in history. He took over an organization that was in salary cap hell and no draft picks until the 3rd round of the 2012 draft. He had virtually nothing to work with. It was an organization in shambles and the laughingstock of the NFL. But... He did the smartest thing, and the right thing. He tore it down, all the way down to the ground. And as painful as it has been to watch, it was the right thing to do. It's not easy to change a way thinking or a culture. But he's doing it. I compare it to building a house or on a smaller scale, playing Jenga. If the foundation is weak you can't build a stable house or stack Jenga pieces very high. As fans and armchair QBs and GMs, we've been so used to Al Davis "reloading " instead of rebuilding, the word rebuilding wasn't even in his vocabulary. Which recent history has shown was a very short-sighted way to run a franchise. 

So what is the foundation of the organization? In the front office its stability, direction and clear identity established by ownership, GM, scouting dept and coaches.  On the field the foundation is the core of the team. The trenches, the OL, DL and the no-name players. They are the backbone and should become the strength of the team. Jihad Ward needs to take up blockers so Mack can crush QBs. You can't have super stars at every position but you need studs at positions with hugely important supporting roles. Just look where Reggie is spending money and the types of players he's drafting. It's the "trenches" and blue collar players. He has missed on some players (all GMs do), but he's building a foundation the right way - from the inside out. He's completely over-hauled the roster, only Seabass, Jon Condo and Tiawan Jones are left from the Al Davis era.

Its clear from day one Reggie's free agency focus has been the offensive line. Look at where all his Big money contracts go, it's not to LBs, DBs, WRs, TEs and RBs. Osemele, Hudson, Penn and Howard, draft Jackson, BOOM! Bad a$$ OL. The only times he throws money at positions other than OL is when it's a glaring need like bringing in Sean Smith and Nelson this year for example. I see a smart, deliberate and patient GM at work and sticking to a plan. Something the Raider Nation is not used to. We've been taught, "Oh we need a WR? Randy Moss welcome to Oakland, here's a dump truck full of money!" It was all about the big names in free agency for Al Davis. Reggie is the exact opposite. He likes high character, country strong guys and flat out maulers and competitors. He is signing players that make sense and don't break the bank and hurt the team in the long run (Crabtree, Nelson, Allen, Williams and M. Smith) To name a few. And he's not afraid to take a chance on a talented player like Aldon Smith. 

Reggie's biggest mistakes IMO have been his QB choices pre Carr, but those choices were made knowing the team was not going to be competitive. As a fan, it's hard to see it that way, but looking back, that was all part of the plan.

Many talking heads, pundits, media, detractors, etc. like to say his biggest blunder was his first full draft of 2013, I beg to differ. Let's not count 2012, he didn't have much to work with to be fair. Bergstrom, Burris and Bilukidi all ended up being career backups, let's leave it at that. Back to 2013, it was a strange draft class. There were zero elite skill position players at the top of the draft. Hindsight 20/20 the top 5 should have been DeAndre Hopkins, Sheldon Richardson, Ziggy Ansah, LeVeon Bell and Tyrann Mathieu (not necessarily in that order). Surprisingly only Detroit getting it right picking Ansah in the top 5. Reggie did alright, Hayden was a mistake, but think of it this way. David Amerson should have been the pick and who's currently on the roster now, and who is not? Funny how things work out. So in the end, Reggie got the right guy. Round 2. Menelik Watson is not a bust! He was being groomed to be a starter at RT then he blew out his Achilles in his first start, in the first preseason game last season. He was just about to come into his own. Tough break, but it's unfair to call him a bust just yet. And one can make the case pretty easily that Latavius Murray is the 3rd best RB of the draft class behind LeVeon Bell and Eddie Lacy. Great pick right?! There were a couple good TEs in Ertz and Kelce but he went with Rivera late in the draft which has worked out pretty well. 

Do I need to rehash the 2014 and 2015 drafts? Reggie killed those, got our QB of the future, a playmaker at WR and one the most feared pass rushers in the NFL and created the core of the team in those two years. 

To sum it up, the Oakland Raiders have been rebuilt. No more relying on old, out dated slogans of "Just Win Baby" and "Commitment to Excellence " all that have rang hollow the past 12 years. We are looking at the future being created right before our eyes. We have players now teams fear and have to game plan for. Now the coaches need to coach and the players must execute and stay healthy. And give those players and us fans a new stadium somewhere, ANYWHERE! Go Raiders!

 
He wasn't conscious at all, he was dead when they got Palmer.
Yep. You're correct. My fact checking needed some work. I take back Palmer. Still, Al made many mistakes in his later years. If he would have swallowed some pride and took a step back and hired a GM in the early 2000s I think the trajectory of the franchise might have been different. I see Jerry Jones heading down the same path.

 
Yep. You're correct. My fact checking needed some work. I take back Palmer. Still, Al made many mistakes in his later years. If he would have swallowed some pride and took a step back and hired a GM in the early 2000s I think the trajectory of the franchise might have been different. I see Jerry Jones heading down the same path.
heading????

 
Dang, can't wait for camp now. So many new players I'm excited to see supplement last year's roster:

K. Omeleche

S. Smith

B. Irvin

K. Joseph

R. Nelson

J. Ward

S. Calhoun

D. Washington

V. Alexander

That is a very nice single-year infusion of talent, replacing just one departed difference maker in Woodson. So stoked to see them on the field. God bless Reggie McKenzie.

 
I need to watch some games of his,  but my first thoughts were Brandon Oliver and Napoleon Kaufman.

Really like the idea of a 5'8" guy hiding behind our offensive line. 

 

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