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massraider said:
I need to watch some games of his,  but my first thoughts were Brandon Oliver and Napoleon Kaufman.

Really like the idea of a 5'8" guy hiding behind our offensive line. 
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Senior Year

vs. TCU (destruction)

vs. Kansas State (demolition)

vs. West Virginia (no Karl)

vs. Baylor (and my favorite Jelly wannabe, A. Billings. Weakest game, no surprise.)

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I stand by my main comp...  Justin Forsett. I think DeAndre is a younger, better version of that guy. Similar to Justin, I think the lack of elite explosiveness may hold him back in the pros. He is a better athlete than Forsett but on the clock and on tape, he's behind Rice, who also had a power advantage over DW. But I still see Rice as his "best case" ceiling, even though he's not there yet and behind where Rice was coming into the league. He would need to physically mature further going into yr 2 or 3 to come close to Rice level. He seems to have the character profile (LOVE this part about McKenzie picks) to make further advances as a player.

Another similar guy as I read the mockdraftable comps, is Amos Zereoue. I'm hoping that for Washington's floor, which would still make this is a fine pick IMO, though obviously not as exciting.

 
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Raiders GM: DeAndre Washington a complete RB

Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie talked up fifth-round RB DeAndre Washington, calling him "more than just a third-down back; he's a complete back."

"He can pound it up in there," McKenzie continued. "When he gets out in space, he can make you look silly. He can catch the ball, but he can run between the tackles as well as well as bouncing it outside. We think he’s the total package as a runner." It's notable because the Raiders spent a good portion of the offseason talking about how they wanted to add to their backfield and get Latavius Murray some help/competition. Washington has been the only addition. He'll have a chance to carve out a significant role in year one.

 
Chaka said:
Denver has Mark Sanchez as their starting QB so I'm going with Yes.
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I am more concerned about KC than Denver. It should be telling about how their offense will go when you know Sanchez is a downgrade from Osweiler. In other words, Denver's offense is going to be less than good this year. The defense will still be very good but they did lose a couple of important pieces in Jackson and Trevathan. Neither the offense or defense brought in players capable of making up for what the lost.

KC lost Sean Smith (evil laugh) but I can't really think of anyone else they lost. I think that they are the more complete team vs Denver.

In the end though, with our young guys developing/progressing and the additions we added- I think we have a very good chance of winning the Division. When was the last Division title? 2002?

 
Chadstroma said:
I am more concerned about KC than Denver. It should be telling about how their offense will go when you know Sanchez is a downgrade from Osweiler. In other words, Denver's offense is going to be less than good this year. The defense will still be very good but they did lose a couple of important pieces in Jackson and Trevathan. Neither the offense or defense brought in players capable of making up for what the lost.

KC lost Sean Smith (evil laugh) but I can't really think of anyone else they lost. I think that they are the more complete team vs Denver.

In the end though, with our young guys developing/progressing and the additions we added- I think we have a very good chance of winning the Division. When was the last Division title? 2002?
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Agreed, very good chance.  Certainly have every reason to think the team can compete.  

Conference?  Who knows.  

KC and DEN are both well-coached, which is a consideration for me.  Personally, I believe we were a better matchup vs. KC and DEN once the rush defense improved in 2015.  

 
massraider said:
Agreed, very good chance.  Certainly have every reason to think the team can compete.  

Conference?  Who knows.  

KC and DEN are both well-coached, which is a consideration for me.  Personally, I believe we were a better matchup vs. KC and DEN once the rush defense improved in 2015.  
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Conference is a harder pitch but I think we are now in the discussion. We shall see if the discussion actually translates to the scoreboard though. Of course, we are making assumptions here in projecting our young players getting better, the really young players contributing right off the back and the FA's being good fits and playing well. There is a lot of assumptions there but they are reasonable assumptions.

I think Reid is a dang good coach but not as sold on Kubiak as being a good head coach but one thing is for dang sure, as much as he sucks as a head coach, Wade Phillips is a freaking genius as a DC. And they still have plenty of talent on the D even with losing Jackson and Treviathan.

To be fair, SD is not a total walkover either but I just don't see them having done much to improve their team to really compete for the division.

 
HUGE news for us. Saw it on my alert feed and it made me jump up. A healthy Mario is like us having had an extra 1st rounder this year.

 
Very good news on Mario Edwards being cleared to play. The defensive front is going to be scary this year. Now with the addition of Ward and Calhoun we can rotate players in and out to keep the big guys fresh all game long.

 
I believe our D-line is going to be rather..............rather awesome, really.  

Mack-Ellis-Williams-Edwards on rush downs.  

Mack-Edwards-Autry-Irvin on passing downs.  

Aldon Smith, Shilique Calhoun, Jihad Ward looking for snaps.  

Leon Orr, Shelby Harris looking for a roster spot.  

:shock:

 
krsone21 said:
Very good news on Mario Edwards being cleared to play. The defensive front is going to be scary this year. Now with the addition of Ward and Calhoun we can rotate players in and out to keep the big guys fresh all game long.
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No kidding. Pretty exciting to think about the potential of this defense. Lots of IFs though... if the FAs play up to expectations, if the defense stays healthy... if Joesph can fill CWood's shoes... If A. Smith stays out of trouble and returns to pro-bowl form... Wow!   :thumbup:  to have hope. 

 
Are we gonna quit pretending and just officially go 3-4?  Ellis and MEJ play end, Ward depth and he and MEJ for inside pressure in sub packages.  Dan Williams = NT.  We all know Mack and Aldon Smith are no 4-3 OLB and now Irvin plays exactly the same role and Calhoun fills in depth.  The only thing we're missing is any kind of quality inside LB play.  I say move Mack inside and let him blow up the run and move all around the formation.  Irvin and Smith OLB, Mack ILB and moving all over the formation like Clay Matthews does.

 
Hankmoody said:
Are we gonna quit pretending and just officially go 3-4?  Ellis and MEJ play end, Ward depth and he and MEJ for inside pressure in sub packages.  Dan Williams = NT.  We all know Mack and Aldon Smith are no 4-3 OLB and now Irvin plays exactly the same role and Calhoun fills in depth.  The only thing we're missing is any kind of quality inside LB play.  I say move Mack inside and let him blow up the run and move all around the formation.  Irvin and Smith OLB, Mack ILB and moving all over the formation like Clay Matthews does.
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I would guess the middle would consist of M. Smith and Heeney. With Neiron Ball and Corey James backing them up.

 
Hankmoody said:
Are we gonna quit pretending and just officially go 3-4?  Ellis and MEJ play end, Ward depth and he and MEJ for inside pressure in sub packages.  Dan Williams = NT.  We all know Mack and Aldon Smith are no 4-3 OLB and now Irvin plays exactly the same role and Calhoun fills in depth.  The only thing we're missing is any kind of quality inside LB play.  I say move Mack inside and let him blow up the run and move all around the formation.  Irvin and Smith OLB, Mack ILB and moving all over the formation like Clay Matthews does.
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I think we are multiple.  Which really, I think most teams are now.  And really, what we refer to as sub packages is the base.  Whichever team has the best nickel package, has the best defense.  The Broncos has Mailk and Wolfe inside Von and Ware, and Roby as the nickel--they were the best.  

The Broncos were not particularly strong up the gut as a 3-4.  They were strong against the run, I'm not saying they were not.  But their NT was Sylvester Williams, who probably played 35% of the downs, if that.  Neither ILB is a banger, they were both movers, and frankly, both are more like 4-3 WLB.  

I have done a complete 180 on Mack.  I was excited about the idea of having a top OLB on the team for the first time in I don't know how long.  I was a little skeptical about moving him to DE.  And then I watched him play DE.  There is no LB in the league that has the effect a Mack or Watt has.  Move him all over the field, sounds good to me, as long as 90% of the time, he winds up on the defensive line.   Going forward, forcing teams to account for him, and block him, and pray their running play isn't going his way, or that they can block him long enough to get the pass off.  

 
32 Counter Pass said:
No kidding. Pretty exciting to think about the potential of this defense. Lots of IFs though... if the FAs play up to expectations, if the defense stays healthy... if Joesph can fill CWood's shoes... If A. Smith stays out of trouble and returns to pro-bowl form... Wow!   :thumbup:  to have hope. 
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Don't be putting the pressure on Joseph to fill CWood's shoes. Totally different player. Let him play his game and be a dang good SS which it looks like he can be.

 
Hankmoody said:
Are we gonna quit pretending and just officially go 3-4?  Ellis and MEJ play end, Ward depth and he and MEJ for inside pressure in sub packages.  Dan Williams = NT.  We all know Mack and Aldon Smith are no 4-3 OLB and now Irvin plays exactly the same role and Calhoun fills in depth.  The only thing we're missing is any kind of quality inside LB play.  I say move Mack inside and let him blow up the run and move all around the formation.  Irvin and Smith OLB, Mack ILB and moving all over the formation like Clay Matthews does.
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I would say that like most teams in the NFL they are a hybrid but hell, with the NFL evolving as it has into being so pass happy the Nickel is basically the base defense. They are going to move Mack all around all the time to try to create confusion and mismatches. It could be even more effective now because of all the talent around him. They will throw in some 3-4 looks and 4-3 looks. I am not sure what you will be able to call our 'base' D when the marquee player will be playing both end and LB and be moved all around to all sides and I really don't care as long as we win.

 
massraider said:
I think we are multiple.  Which really, I think most teams are now.  And really, what we refer to as sub packages is the base.  Whichever team has the best nickel package, has the best defense.  The Broncos has Mailk and Wolfe inside Von and Ware, and Roby as the nickel--they were the best.  

The Broncos were not particularly strong up the gut as a 3-4.  They were strong against the run, I'm not saying they were not.  But their NT was Sylvester Williams, who probably played 35% of the downs, if that.  Neither ILB is a banger, they were both movers, and frankly, both are more like 4-3 WLB.  

I have done a complete 180 on Mack.  I was excited about the idea of having a top OLB on the team for the first time in I don't know how long.  I was a little skeptical about moving him to DE.  And then I watched him play DE.  There is no LB in the league that has the effect a Mack or Watt has.  Move him all over the field, sounds good to me, as long as 90% of the time, he winds up on the defensive line.   Going forward, forcing teams to account for him, and block him, and pray their running play isn't going his way, or that they can block him long enough to get the pass off.  
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Freaking pretty much what I said.... :thumbup:  Shoulda kept reading and saved the typing. :lmao:

 
Okay the table is set now let's see if JDR can cook.  IMO the jury is still out on the coaching staff, in a big way.

 
Chaka said:
Okay the table is set now let's see if JDR can cook.  IMO the jury is still out on the coaching staff, in a big way.
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I think if we don't perform it is on them.

I have faith in Norton. I am pretty neutral on JDR with a leaning towards positive and a bit suspect of Musgrave.

 
Chadstroma said:
Don't be putting the pressure on Joseph to fill CWood's shoes. Totally different player. Let him play his game and be a dang good SS which it looks like he can be.
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LOL. This is the big leagues, my man. There is pressure on everybody to perform. It is unrealistic to expect Joseph, or anybody for that matter, to perform at CWodd's level. But getting solid, above average play is a reasonable expectation for a first round pick.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
LOL. This is the big leagues, my man. There is pressure on everybody to perform. It is unrealistic to expect Joseph, or anybody for that matter, to perform at CWodd's level. But getting solid, above average play is a reasonable expectation for a first round pick.
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Pressure is fine. Trying to be CWood is a whole different level. CWood was a once in a generation player. Truly.

 
Yeah I wasn't complaining about our defensive alignment, moreso commenting that we're pretty much not the 4-3 team we are so used to.  I do love the ability to move Mack all over, and I think Irvin is that same guy sans a little bit of raw power and burst.  Put them at OLB with Malcolm in the Middle and Ball/Heeney/rookie of the day and we're a terrorizing 3-4 team.  MEJ, Williams, and Ellis up front to keep the LB's clean.  Joseph crashing downhill to destroy.  When Smith gets back put him outside and let Mack bounce around inside and all over the place.  We might actually be a respectable run D.

 
Yeah I questioned this a few pages back, he always seemed to be a better fit for that.  He's got some good background at free safety so that would be great if he can develop into an eventual starter.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
LOL. This is the big leagues, my man. There is pressure on everybody to perform. It is unrealistic to expect Joseph, or anybody for that matter, to perform at CWodd's level. But getting solid, above average play is a reasonable expectation for a first round pick.
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Chadstroma said:
Pressure is fine. Trying to be CWood is a whole different level. CWood was a once in a generation player. Truly.
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Agree. Guess you just missed the bolded part.

But maybe, just maybe, Joseph is this generation's great safety.  :thumbup:

 
32 Counter Pass said:
LOL. This is the big leagues, my man. There is pressure on everybody to perform. It is unrealistic to expect Joseph, or anybody for that matter, to perform at CWodd's level. But getting solid, above average play is a reasonable expectation for a first round pick.
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Forget performing at Woodson's level/ability. I expect -- nay, demand! -- that Joseph play like a beastly mini-Lott right out of the gate.

 
massraider said:
I think we are multiple.  Which really, I think most teams are now.  And really, what we refer to as sub packages is the base.  Whichever team has the best nickel package, has the best defense.  The Broncos has Mailk and Wolfe inside Von and Ware, and Roby as the nickel--they were the best.  

The Broncos were not particularly strong up the gut as a 3-4.  They were strong against the run, I'm not saying they were not.  But their NT was Sylvester Williams, who probably played 35% of the downs, if that.  Neither ILB is a banger, they were both movers, and frankly, both are more like 4-3 WLB.  

I have done a complete 180 on Mack.  I was excited about the idea of having a top OLB on the team for the first time in I don't know how long.  I was a little skeptical about moving him to DE.  And then I watched him play DE.  There is no LB in the league that has the effect a Mack or Watt has.  Move him all over the field, sounds good to me, as long as 90% of the time, he winds up on the defensive line.   Going forward, forcing teams to account for him, and block him, and pray their running play isn't going his way, or that they can block him long enough to get the pass off.  
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Great post, and this 100x. NFL D has really moved away from traditional 3-4/4-3 bases and use hybrid systems where subs are used heavily based on down/distance situations. And you are also right that nickel really is the most dominant D -- mostly to handle the popular spread offenses that have become prevalent, but also because using hybrid safety/LBs and LB/ends to adjust to opportunities in offensive alignment makes for more disruption on opposing offenses. 

Rather than look for a specific player to fill a constant base alignment (SAM LB, 2-tech DTs, etc.), getting a team of athletes who can shift around and compliment each others' playing style in multiple on-field situations simply makes a more dynamic and effective (and less predictable) D.

Great to see the Raiders continue to embrace and adapt to the new NFL rather than buck the clear existing trends.  

 
Interesting leak and peek behind what we were thinking about the 2010 draft class.

http://uproxx.com/sports/2010-oakland-raiders-nfl-draft-evaluations/

Original source: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/4iasn3/stumbled_onto_something_else_kinda_cool_nfl_draft/

OTA's kick off in two weeks. Looking forward to hearing how the new crop of draftees gels, and even how some of our UFDA's fare. Will be many stories to talk about, but specifically interested in:

1) Will Murray rise to the occasion with potential competition in the backfield with DeAndre? Will the two develop into any noticeable roles?

2) How does Mario's neck stand up to camp (i.e. no setbacks)

3) How does our defensive backfield play together as a unit

4) Will prospects like Alexander and UDFA Oni Omoile (6'3, 300+) be ready to contribute this season for depth?

5) Do UDFA Dlinemen like James Cowser, Drew Iddings and Darius Latham bring it in camps and provide comeptition and even make the team for depth/special teams? Or do they fall by the wayside with all of the talent we have and acquired (Williams, Jelly and McGee in the middle, Jihad and Shilique for the ends).

6) Do all of our drafted development prospects -- Alexander, Watson, Ward, etc. -- actually show consistent development through camps and become credible starting threats?

 
another good story is the signing of UDFA Greg Townsend Jr (yes, THAT Greg Townsend).

No idea if he has any chance of making the team but I like the idea of the Raiders giving "one of their own" a shot to make it in the bigs.

Go get 'em, Junior!

 
Chris McClain ‏@ChrisMcClain  45m45 minutes ago
The #Raiders have announced they have signed DE Damontre Moore.
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He was an interesting guy when he was drafted, one of those picks everyone was in a rush to praise.  He was a favorite of mine for sure, as potential Raider, at the time.  His physical profile, to my mind, is very, very similar to MEJ and Ward--Base end types that can kick inside.  

However, tying this in with what @Stompin' Tom Connors said above, I don't see much room on this team for these peripheral defensive linemen.  These undrafted guys, Cowser etc., and even guys like Orr and Shelby Harris.........it's gonna get crowded quick.  

The return of MEJ, addition of Ward, and the edge/hybrid guys (Calhoun, Irvin, Aldon, Mack) don't leave a lot of room for many guys.  

I mean, how many interior defensive guys can we carry?  Jelly, Dan, Jihad, Autry, MEJ.  We can maybe fit another 300+ pounder behind the big fellas.  

 
DaMonster cut by two teams in two years. Something is off here. 

Even that fact aside, I like Calhoun more as a prospect, anyway. Not sure how Moore makes this team. At some point you run out of roster spots and it's happening all over the roster now that McK is stacking drafts.

 
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Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Forget performing at Woodson's level/ability. I expect -- nay, demand! -- that Joseph play like a beastly mini-Lott right out of the gate.
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Does the fact that Joseph was just assigned Lott's jersey number bode well for your expectation -- nay, demand?!

;)

 
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joey said:
Does the fact that Joseph was just assigned Lott's jersey number bode well for your expectation -- nay, demand?!

;)
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The stars are aligning...the stars that will circle the heads of WRs and downfield runners when Joseph lays wood on them, that is. 

Yes, I went there, even in today's world of heightened concussion protocol and degenerative brain disorders from football.

 
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