2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (1 Viewer)

[Fariq]

I heard Ainge is considering using his picks on an all-Yeti  team if he cant get Unibrow

Would play bad in day games because Yetis are nocturnal but an all-Yeti team could be good.

 

[Bobcat10]

So right in the middle of serious trade talks and just days before the draft, the Cavs are confirming that they're parting ways with GM David Griffin. Seems smart.

You're right.

Woj:

Cavs front office had difficulty in trade talks this week, constantly needing to address Griffin's future with rival executives. Tough spot.

 

[DJackson10]

His numbers are off the charts.

He is being projected as a close comparison to Dwayne Wade.

 23ppg  5 plus assists.shot 50 percent for 2s and 40 from 3s.  Can defend. Great size.  Not even 20 years old

If he's even close to wade it's a great pick.  Washington's team was garbage this past year

I'm one of those people who's very suspect of guys who put up really good numbers on bad teams Plus I don't get hyped up on prospects in Sports like I use to because most of the time scouts and media are wrong. For example a lot of Sixers fans as you know got really excited over MCW's rookie year. I suggested to people they should trade MCW while his stock was high. he won ROTY in a year the draft class was really weak and padded stats on a terrible team. Some people thought I was crazy to even suggest that. I mean in the end he got traded for a very good asset that keeps on giving however i'm iffy on players on Bad teams putting up stats. I guess I'm more cautious then anything. 

 

[DJackson10]

On that we can agree.

I was really upset when he imploded that 01 finals team in that offseason. That was around the time I tried to become more of a sixers fan. King and the org did a lot then to make me not go back and I was not of fan of AI's character. I work in retail and my one manager who transferred worked at the Grocery store mainline near the news stations where many local athletes shop. Too this day he insist AI was the worst customer ever. Basically said if we had the tech now we do today and special media AI would look no different then the Ron Artist, Mixon's, Ray Rices, etc of the world. I've heard similar stories to his from multiple other people who worked or still work at that store as I worked there with a few others maybe 6 yrs ago now. Either way King was an idiot. Really nice guy and use to bring his kids to the Dr at CHOP my mom worked for. Great guy idiot as a GM. 

 

[DJackson10]

OK so I get that Anthony Davis to the Celtics is a ENORMOUS stretch.  But let's say you run the Pelicans and Ainge was on the line asking what's it going to take?  You're really going to just shake your head and hang up?  I think you have to at least take a look at all of those assets and review their roster and see what's there.

I saw a nice article forget who about AD being traded. He said the most realistic time to trade him is next offseason give AD and Boogie a year to see what they can do together and then if Boogie walks or doesn't re up that's your best time to go for AD. In other words NO would have to be blown out of this world to even consider trading him right now. IMHO I just don't think NO has any of the right players to match each other and they gave up a lot just for 1 1/2 yrs of Boogie. Stern really bent them offer disallowing the Paul trade to the Lakers yrs back. 

 

[DJackson10]

curious as to what the huge questions marks are? Obviously being healthy and injury free is a biggie, but not sure how many teams you can put on the hook for that. if it was Embiid's foot or back last year you could blame the Sixers, but the injuries they have seen, despite being basically the whole team's MCLs, are things that are hard to account for. 

I would say clutch shooting is still potentially a hurdle, but with Furkan Korkmaz coming over in a year or 2, and multiple "good" shooters on the team (TLC, Covington can be streaky but is good when on, Bayless, Embiid, etc.) i don't see it being a big roadblock. There have been constant rumours for last month and a half about the Sixers signing JJ Reddick too. 

The trade does seem to be good for both. I know everyone wants to analyze who "wins" a trade, but with this one it seems pretty even. That Lakers/Kings pick is a valuable asset, and Fultz seems to be on a tier of his own, but a guy like Isaac or Taytum seems to be more valuable to the Celtics then adding another guard at an already clogged position (Johnson i know is higher on most mocks, but in my absolutely non-expert opinion he just seems like a better Jalyon Brown). Sixers get the guy that fits wonderfully on their team and sacrifice potential future gain. But at some point you need to cash in your assets, and Colangelo did it in a balanced way without sacrificing too much

I've already gone over mine. Mostly a lot of concerns with Simmons as a whole other then his playmaking Ability and Embiids health. Okafor the team is stuck with I think and IMHO he's more a detriment to their roster. Also is Fultz really as good as advertised or is he another prospect that isn't as good as he is advertised being on a terrible team in a weak conference. Also theres a rumor from today that Bulls earlier in the offseason asked for the #3 pick for Butler and Sixers and Bulls had discussions. If I'm a Sixers fan I would've been ecstatic over that and if I were a Sixers fan now hearing that rumor not being big on Fultz I wouldn't be thrilled right now. The team has a ton of questions still. Plus BC is always good for one really big head scratcher and he hasn't done that yet. He might if these Love rumors are true. 

 

[DJackson10]

That tells you how bad of an organization they really are, it takes an top 5 greatest player ever to even win one title. I don't know why anyone would want to play for a Gilbert owned team. 

Plus did Griffin really run that team? He was basically Lebron's B**** and he and Gilbert bent over for LeBron to keep him happy. 

 

[DJackson10]

Per CSN.com article today there's other rumors so I'll go with talking about each one separately. Not sure why Sixers wouldn't take this deal. Maybe it's the only 2 yrs left on his deal or whatever but the Sixers better hope this Fultz kid is really good if they turned down an offer like this. 

"Stephen A. Smith: Bulls wanted No. 3 pick from Sixers for Jimmy Butler
On ESPN's First Take this morning, Stephen A. Smith said that the Chicago Bulls were talking with the Sixers earlier this offseason. He said the Bulls were looking to acquire the No. 3 pick while making star small forward Jimmy Butler available. 

However, according to Smith, the Sixers didn't feel that Butler fit with the timeline of their young core, which isn't ready to compete right away. Obviously, a trade up to No. 1 to acquire Fultz likely ends any potential trade talks involving Butler to the Sixers for now.

Smith went on to say that the Celtics are now pursuing Butler alongside a free agency push for Utah Jazz forward Gordon Hayward. Adding the two versatile wings would keep the Celtics a top contender to unseat the Cavaliers as Eastern Conference champions in the short term."

 

[DJackson10]

Now this is a really bad move for the Sixers but not surprised since BC loves his Bigs who can shoot. I've said for Yrs I've thought Love is overrated. Padded stats on bad Minny teams, too soft down low, bad defense, terrible in the post and inconsistent offensively. On top of getting Love and his Albatross contract you are helping the Cavs poorly managed roster out and helping them get better by acquiring Paul George and making them better, meanwhile giving assets to another team in the East in Indy to improve. The assets should be to acquire a Paul George or Butler not Kevin love. 

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
Hearing if Cavs-Pacers talks go well 76ers could be included as a 3rd team & possible landing spot for Love if IND prefer picks & prospects.
10:14 AM - 19 Jun 2017

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
Heard before the draft 76ers wanted to add shooters and a veteran to young core and were willing to trade for it. Fultz and Love are that.
10:16 AM - 19 Jun 2017

 

[jerry jones]

So right in the middle of serious trade talks and just days before the draft, the Cavs are confirming that they're parting ways with GM David Griffin. Seems smart.

Lebron knows front office

 

[DJackson10]

Lebron knows front office

He is the Front office and a Player/HC of the team. only thing he doesn't do right now is own the team. 

 

[modogg]

Per CSN.com article today there's other rumors so I'll go with talking about each one separately. Not sure why Sixers wouldn't take this deal. Maybe it's the only 2 yrs left on his deal or whatever but the Sixers better hope this Fultz kid is really good if they turned down an offer like this. 

"Stephen A. Smith: Bulls wanted No. 3 pick from Sixers for Jimmy Butler
On ESPN's First Take this morning, Stephen A. Smith said that the Chicago Bulls were talking with the Sixers earlier this offseason. He said the Bulls were looking to acquire the No. 3 pick while making star small forward Jimmy Butler available. 

However, according to Smith, the Sixers didn't feel that Butler fit with the timeline of their young core, which isn't ready to compete right away. Obviously, a trade up to No. 1 to acquire Fultz likely ends any potential trade talks involving Butler to the Sixers for now.

Smith went on to say that the Celtics are now pursuing Butler alongside a free agency push for Utah Jazz forward Gordon Hayward. Adding the two versatile wings would keep the Celtics a top contender to unseat the Cavaliers as Eastern Conference champions in the short term."

lol, Steven A. Smith can suck a D. He can stick to hanging out with Lavar Ball. The day i take anything he says as information is the day i stop paying attn. to sports. And that quote above is full of holes. I am positive Bulls would want more for Butler then #3. Otherwise you probably would have Celtics deal #1 to Bulls for Butler straight up. Or they would have made a deal at the deadline if the price was that cheap. 

and this is the same media that said Hinkie was a disaster and ruining the game. they cam stick with all their hot takes and whatever they want to write about, i'll sit back and enjoy the ride. 

 

[modogg]

Now this is a really bad move for the Sixers but not surprised since BC loves his Bigs who can shoot. I've said for Yrs I've thought Love is overrated. Padded stats on bad Minny teams, too soft down low, bad defense, terrible in the post and inconsistent offensively. On top of getting Love and his Albatross contract you are helping the Cavs poorly managed roster out and helping them get better by acquiring Paul George and making them better, meanwhile giving assets to another team in the East in Indy to improve. The assets should be to acquire a Paul George or Butler not Kevin love. 

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
Hearing if Cavs-Pacers talks go well 76ers could be included as a 3rd team & possible landing spot for Love if IND prefer picks & prospects.
10:14 AM - 19 Jun 2017

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
Heard before the draft 76ers wanted to add shooters and a veteran to young core and were willing to trade for it. Fultz and Love are that.
10:16 AM - 19 Jun 2017

and this is the NBA media waking up because of the trade formulating stories for the sake of it. Cavs want to get in the news, Sixers really don't want or need Love. Seems like just stories, all signs point to a free agent signing of Riddick, without any extra costs associated

 

[msudaisy26]

Plus did Griffin really run that team? He was basically Lebron's B**** and he and Gilbert bent over for LeBron to keep him happy. 

Yeah, but didn't LeBron want Griffin resigned? If so I think this is Gilbert telling LeBron that he runs the show now and I expect LeBron to leave after  next year. 

 

[DJackson10]

and this is the NBA media waking up because of the trade formulating stories for the sake of it. Cavs want to get in the news, Sixers really don't want or need Love. Seems like just stories, all signs point to a free agent signing of Riddick, without any extra costs associated

That I agree with however considering BC I wouldn't put anything past him. It really doesn't make sense for them and neither does this one for Chicago. Marc Stein reported Suns and Cavs had talks and Chi could send Butler to The Cavs. That's laughable at best. 

Cavs trying to find an idiot to take Love

 

[DJackson10]

Yeah, but didn't LeBron want Griffin resigned? If so I think this is Gilbert telling LeBron that he runs the show now and I expect LeBron to leave after  next year. 

I just saw a tweet that said Gilbert didn't consult LeBron and James was a big advocate for Griffin extension. Yeah this is Gilbert putting his foot down. You can't have players running your team. Now the Cavs are stuck with Love and no way to improve to beat Gs unless they find an idiot to take him. TT contract really mucked things up over there as well as other huge deals they gave out like candy. 

 

[msudaisy26]

Pretty sure Love is being dealt to the Spurs for Kawhi and some future 1sts. 

Seriously the crap that gets made up just to get clicks and make it look like the Cavs and Warriors are in for round 4 and it will be the most epic 7 game series ever. 

 

[modogg]

That I agree with however considering BC I wouldn't put anything past him. It really doesn't make sense for them and neither does this one for Chicago. Marc Stein reported Suns and Cavs had talks and Chi could send Butler to The Cavs. That's laughable at best. 

Cavs trying to find an idiot to take Love

i really didn't like the Noel trade, but if he is going to sign for a near max deal this off-season then i can't hate on it too much. Outside of that colangelo hasn't been too horrible. I know he was catching a lot of heat for the mess with the Sixers this year with reporting injuries, etc., but the more i have read it seems that the Sixers may also be a lot at fault outside of Colangelo. Jury is still out, but let's see what he can do with the absolute absurd amount of 2nd round picks he has over the next 4-5 years (i honestly think he has around 15 or so), and with getting guys re-signed and wanting to join this team.

 

[DJackson10]

Pretty sure Love is being dealt to the Spurs for Kawhi and some future 1sts. 

Seriously the crap that gets made up just to get clicks and make it look like the Cavs and Warriors are in for round 4 and it will be the most epic 7 game series ever. 

They got to do something after how much they hyped up the finals that just ended and didn't go as planned. Latest rumor I heard is Kevin Love to Japan for Takeru Kobayashi. Now that's a blockbuster trade if I saw one. 

 

[modogg]

i don't know how to put this in more efficiently, but funny take with Fultz with pictures from his trips to LA and Boston, vs. coming to Philly:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/19/15833648/markelle-fultzs-mentor-wanted-him-to-come-to-sixers-no-1-pick-trade-boston-celtics

just click and look down, funny pictures

 

[DJackson10]

i really didn't like the Noel trade, but if he is going to sign for a near max deal this off-season then i can't hate on it too much. Outside of that colangelo hasn't been too horrible. I know he was catching a lot of heat for the mess with the Sixers this year with reporting injuries, etc., but the more i have read it seems that the Sixers may also be a lot at fault outside of Colangelo. Jury is still out, but let's see what he can do with the absolute absurd amount of 2nd round picks he has over the next 4-5 years (i honestly think he has around 15 or so), and with getting guys re-signed and wanting to join this team.

People don't want to blame any of this on Hinkie. It's either it was Hinkie's doing or it's BCs fault. Hinkie created the C log jam that BC had to replace. I'm more so talking BC in Tor. I think he's a better overall GM then Hinkie because Hinkie could get assets he just didn't know how to turn those assets into positives to help the team like BC can do and has. I don't fault BC on the Noel trade. Okafor has zero trade value, Noel lost trade value do to injury and teams knowing 76ers had to trade a C and Embiid wasn't going and teams knew they could low ball the Sixers on Philly and BC knew he eventually had to take the best deal he got. Noel as insurance for Embiid would've been really nice if Joel turned into Greg Odeon but I get the financials of that. Fans better hope BC was just holding guys out on injuries and the med staff isn't that terrible or they could be in trouble if Guys can't stay healthy. And if I'm the Sixers I hope someone had a little talk of Embiid about what resting with an injury like a knee issue means don't be taking your shirt off and dancing on stage at a concert. Plus a better taste in music...

 

[DJackson10]

i don't know how to put this in more efficiently, but funny take with Fultz with pictures from his trips to LA and Boston, vs. coming to Philly:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/19/15833648/markelle-fultzs-mentor-wanted-him-to-come-to-sixers-no-1-pick-trade-boston-celtics

just click and look down, funny pictures

Dude look high AF in all three pictures. 

 

[Frostillicus]

correction:

The Sixers' three best players have played a grand total of 31 games in the league combined.

This is a fantastic post.

 

[Frostillicus]

Kevin Love is a pretty good player.

 

[Capella]

I can't believe the Cavs fired their GM in the middle of making huge trades and 3 days before the draft and hardly anybody blinked. The NBA is ####ing insane. 

 

[Insein]

Let's skip buying a middling free agent this offseason. Let the Sixers prove they are up and coming, young and cheap. Then come 2018, Lebron will need a new team to start on titles 4 through 7. He'll be able to bring a friend and have the Young nucleus he's lacking in Cleveland. 

I'm only mildly joking here. This is a possibility in today's NBA.

 

[DJackson10]

Kevin Love is a pretty good player.

He's not terrible but he's not as good as a lot make him out to be. I mean he's not Dwight Howard overrated. He's terrible inconsistent and paid too much for the good things he can do compared to all the weaknesses he has. I wouldn't mind him in Chicago on a much lower contract though but he's not what Chicago needs. Better off keeping Butler and just resigning Niko if that's the case. 

 

[DJackson10]

Let's skip buying a middling free agent this offseason. Let the Sixers prove they are up and coming, young and cheap. Then come 2018, Lebron will need a new team to start on titles 4 through 7. He'll be able to bring a friend and have the Young nucleus he's lacking in Cleveland. 

I'm only mildly joking here. This is a possibility in today's NBA.

Yeah but do you want a LeBron who's gonna be declining on a bad deal with other East teams getting better? After the 2nd year that contract and deal might not look so hot. I say just let him go to LA. 

 

[DJackson10]

Cleveland Cavs offering Kevin Love to Phoenix Suns in a 3 team trade scenario for Jimmy Butler.

Meanwhile, Marc Stein reported the Phoenix Suns could include the 4th pick and Eric Bledsoe in a potential trade.

Source: K.C. Johnson

Read More: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-trade-talk-spt-0620-20170619-story.html

Stein Report: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19682394/cleveland-cavaliers-trying-engage-chicago-bulls-multi-team-trade-scenarios-jimmy-butler

 

[mquinnjr]

i don't know how to put this in more efficiently, but funny take with Fultz with pictures from his trips to LA and Boston, vs. coming to Philly:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/19/15833648/markelle-fultzs-mentor-wanted-him-to-come-to-sixers-no-1-pick-trade-boston-celtics

just click and look down, funny pictures

Larry's his favorite cheesesteak spot

 

[DJackson10]

Chicago Bulls if they do acquire a Top 5 Pick in this draft, one source said they've done recent work with Kentucky Wildcats PG De'Aaron Fox.

Source: K.C. Johnson

Read More: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-jimmy-butler-trade-talk-spt-0620-20170619-story.html

 

[Frostillicus]

I think Love makes a ton of sense on Philly if the price is right. 

 

[Frostillicus]

Letting Griffin go three days before the draft and a year before LBJ becomes a free agent is just totally dysfunctional. Not too mention Gilbert waiting until all the other GM jobs have dried up. What a petty, putzy little man.

Certainly helping out the Lebron to LA narrative. 

 

[bud29]

I have a couple Celtics questions that may very well be based on faulty assumptions - i don't get many Boston games out here in the midwest. Educate me:

1. My understanding through a smattering of articles/snippets is that the Cs really need a scorer outside of IT, and interior defense/rebounding. They're reportedly high on Josh Jackson at 1.03, it doesn't seem like that really addresses either of those two issues?

2. What's the consensus on Jaylen Brown? Obviously didn't light the world on fire this season, but from what I recall he didn't exactly project as a plug-and-play year one guy. Around the deadline I seem to remember the Boston FO being pretty high on him - has that changed / what's his fit with Jackson? And then if they bring in Hayward?

 

[Charlie Harper]

Certainly helping out the Lebron to LA narrative. 

Jalen Rose went on record again on the 15th and said LBJ will never play for the Clippers and that he'll be playing for the Lakers.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Kevin Love is a pretty good player.

I feel like this train of thought seems to be forgotten a bit in this thread.   I totally understand that Love is a liability on defense--but the current NBA is all about offensive efficiency--and the stretch 4/5 is a huge part of this dynamic.   Kevin Love averaged 19pts, 11 rebounds per game all while being the the third option on his team.   He shot 37% from the 3pt line and and is an under rated passer as a big man.  Even at this point in time--he's probably good enough to be better than the best player on a number of NBA teams (Kings, Magic, Pistons, Lakers, Mavericks).   While he's probably not worth what the Cavs are trying to make him about to be-- he's still a fairly valuable asset.  

 

[Capella]

***IT'S ORLANDO MAGIC TALK TIME***

HOLY #### WHAT A COLLECTION OF DOG#### THIS ROSTER IS. SERIOUSLY CONTRACT THIS TEAM

PG: Elfrid Payton  

SG: Evan Fournier ?? 

C: Biz/Vic ?

PF: Aaron Gordon

SF: your mom? ?? 

there are no bench players. If there is any upside (there isn't) it's that Elfrid and Gordon played pretty well in the second half but it's still unlikely either becomes a top-15 guy at their position. This team sucks, it needs to draft best available and I can't wait for football to start. ?

 

[Sammy3469]

***IT'S ORLANDO MAGIC TALK TIME***

HOLY #### WHAT A COLLECTION OF DOG#### THIS ROSTER IS. SERIOUSLY CONTRACT THIS TEAM

PG: Elfrid Payton  

SG: Evan Fournier ?? 

C: Biz/Vic ?

PF: Aaron Gordon

SF: your mom? ?? 

there are no bench players. If there is any upside (there isn't) it's that Elfrid and Gordon played pretty well in the second half but it's still unlikely either becomes a top-15 guy at their position. This team sucks, it needs to draft best available and I can't wait for football to start. ?

See you next year!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Letting Griffin go three days before the draft and a year before LBJ becomes a free agent is just totally dysfunctional. Not too mention Gilbert waiting until all the other GM jobs have dried up. What a petty, putzy little man.

Absolutely mind-boggling. And beyond that, I thought Griffin did an excellent job.

When LeBron's career is over and people look back and what's he's accomplished, overcoming Dan Gilbert should be right up there with overcoming a 3-1 deficit to a 73 win team in the Finals.

 

[Sammy3469]

Absolutely mind-boggling. And beyond that, I thought Griffin did an excellent job.

When LeBron's career is over and people look back and what's he's accomplished, overcoming Dan Gilbert should be right up there with overcoming a 3-1 deficit to a 73 win team in the Finals.

It also give more credence to the he's gone after this year rumblings.  

 

[Capella]

See you next year!

Excited for my Sixers 

 

[thecatch]

***IT'S ORLANDO MAGIC TALK TIME***

HOLY #### WHAT A COLLECTION OF DOG#### THIS ROSTER IS. SERIOUSLY CONTRACT THIS TEAM

PG: Elfrid Payton  

SG: Evan Fournier ?? 

C: Biz/Vic ?

PF: Aaron Gordon

SF: your mom? ?? 

there are no bench players. If there is any upside (there isn't) it's that Elfrid and Gordon played pretty well in the second half but it's still unlikely either becomes a top-15 guy at their position. This team sucks, it needs to draft best available and I can't wait for football to start. ?

Well, they should be able to draft someone pretty good at #6 if it makes you feel better. 

 

[Boston]

The buzz locally is it is between Tatum and Jackson for the #3 pick (I think Isaac is your sleeper...but not hearing much about him) if the Celtics keep the pick...the thinking is Jackson brings the high-motor and great defense while Tatum brings the scoring...I'm good with either one but my fear with Jackson is he maybe a little too much of what they already have in players like Smart and Crowder...that being said one trade could totally change that dynamic and make it a moot point...

 

[Sammy3469]

Well, they should be able to draft someone pretty good at #6 if it makes you feel better. 

Odds are they'll take the worst top 10 player...I mean that's even worse than the Knicks....right?  

 

[Thunderlips]

People don't want to blame any of this on Hinkie. It's either it was Hinkie's doing or it's BCs fault. Hinkie created the C log jam that BC had to replace. I'm more so talking BC in Tor. I think he's a better overall GM then Hinkie because Hinkie could get assets he just didn't know how to turn those assets into positives to help the team like BC can do and has. I don't fault BC on the Noel trade. Okafor has zero trade value, Noel lost trade value do to injury and teams knowing 76ers had to trade a C and Embiid wasn't going and teams knew they could low ball the Sixers on Philly and BC knew he eventually had to take the best deal he got. Noel as insurance for Embiid would've been really nice if Joel turned into Greg Odeon but I get the financials of that. Fans better hope BC was just holding guys out on injuries and the med staff isn't that terrible or they could be in trouble if Guys can't stay healthy. And if I'm the Sixers I hope someone had a little talk of Embiid about what resting with an injury like a knee issue means don't be taking your shirt off and dancing on stage at a concert. Plus a better taste in music...

I was under the understanding that HInkie wanted Porzingas, regardless of what happened with his agent and was pressured by ownership to take a "proven" quanitity in Okafor.  I do know there are Hinkites in the region who claim that he would have moved Okafor after the 15/16 season once they realized Embiid was healthy.

 

[Capella]

Odds are they'll take the worst top 10 player...I mean that's even worse than the Knicks....right?  

Yes in theory they should get a good player. Reality is they will take that big stiff out of Arizona and he will average 5/3 for his short career.

 

[SWC]

who will the bucks take at 14 bromigos i hope that whoever they take is really good at basketball and that is the pulse of the nba brought to you by the old swcer take that to the bank

 

[SayWhat?]

Well, they should be able to draft someone pretty good at #6 if it makes you feel better. 

If it's Markkanen, then Capella's right that they should contract the team.

 

[Kraft...]

The buzz locally is it is between Tatum and Jackson for the #3 pick (I think Isaac is your sleeper...but not hearing much about him) if the Celtics keep the pick...the thinking is Jackson brings the high-motor and great defense while Tatum brings the scoring...I'm good with either one but my fear with Jackson is he maybe a little too much of what they already have in players like Smart and Crowder...that being said one trade could totally change that dynamic and make it a moot point...

My gut is telling me Isaac for some reason, especially if the C's seem willing to trade down again  

 

[Thunderlips]

People don't want to blame any of this on Hinkie. It's either it was Hinkie's doing or it's BCs fault. Hinkie created the C log jam that BC had to replace. I'm more so talking BC in Tor. I think he's a better overall GM then Hinkie because Hinkie could get assets he just didn't know how to turn those assets into positives to help the team like BC can do and has. I don't fault BC on the Noel trade. Okafor has zero trade value, Noel lost trade value do to injury and teams knowing 76ers had to trade a C and Embiid wasn't going and teams knew they could low ball the Sixers on Philly and BC knew he eventually had to take the best deal he got. Noel as insurance for Embiid would've been really nice if Joel turned into Greg Odeon but I get the financials of that. Fans better hope BC was just holding guys out on injuries and the med staff isn't that terrible or they could be in trouble if Guys can't stay healthy. And if I'm the Sixers I hope someone had a little talk of Embiid about what resting with an injury like a knee issue means don't be taking your shirt off and dancing on stage at a concert. Plus a better taste in music...

You also have to remember that the Sixers/Hinkie were probably content drafting Noel/Wiggins instead of Noel/Embiid.