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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (14 Viewers)

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Definitely take Ayton but no way in hell deal what will be a high lotto pick and new contract for Rozier. 

Take Ayton and sit tight til Chandler/Dudley deals run out. There's still 2 years left on Brandin Knight's deal.

Ayton + Booker + Jackson is a good start.

 
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Horford just abused Love...with his elbow
You're post is more accurate now.  But really, after the JR shove, Horford was going to get away with whatever he wanted on the block rightfully so (at least for a possession).  

Saw that 2nd half coming with or without Lebron getting his clock rung by Morris' shoulder.  Someone mentioned this reminds them of the Celts/Bucks series....it also reminds me of the Cavs/Pacers series.  Celts quicker to loose balls out-hustling the Cavs, look better on the boards, strong close outs, pesky in passing lanes, etc.  

 
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Definitely take Ayton but no way in hell deal what will be a high lotto pick and new contract for Rozier. 

Take Ayton and sit tight til Chandler/Dudley deals run out. There's still 2 years left on Brandin Knight's deal.

Ayton + Booker + Jackson is a good start.
To play devil's advocate:

One of the biggest concerns about bringing in a coach new to the NBA on a bad team is whether the players will buy-in, run the new system well and give the necessary effort.  Igor has coached Doncic before and by all accounts, they have a good relationship and Doncic has a very high basketball IQ. On the flipside, Ayton has the reputation of an inconsistent motor.  I could easily see Doncic working out better for the Suns.

 
Great 1H by Lebron  seemed to quit early last night. I forget how much time was left and what the score was at the time, but it was plenty/within-reach when he jacked that three from 6 feet behind top of arc, 7 sec on clock, and missed everything. Just wasn’t up for trying to grind back into it.

 
Great 1H by Lebron  seemed to quit early last night. I forget how much time was left and what the score was at the time, but it was plenty/within-reach when he jacked that three from 6 feet behind top of arc, 7 sec on clock, and missed everything. Just wasn’t up for trying to grind back into it.
The bar is so high for Lebron that people consider him "quitting" even when he puts up 42-12-10.

 
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I think the Suns should take Ayton, and trade their 2019 #1 pick next year (not Bucks pick) to the Celtics for Terry Rozier. 

I don't think the Celtics can manage to keep him when his contract ends so better to trade him a year early and get something for him.
Rozier aint a $20MM+ player, a player worthy of a top 5 pick, even less so than Maaaacus Smaaaat. And it's not that i'm not appreciating him, cuz you can go back to last season's NBA thread and read me not wanting to give him up in Butler/George type trade scenarios. It's just that trading for Stevens/Celtic role players is going to be like trading backup QBs with Belichick (Jimmy G dont count cuz BB wanted to trade Brady and keep him). You're getting average NBA talent potentiated by being properly motivated & utilized who will come right back to the pack without it.

 
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To play devil's advocate:

One of the biggest concerns about bringing in a coach new to the NBA on a bad team is whether the players will buy-in, run the new system well and give the necessary effort.  Igor has coached Doncic before and by all accounts, they have a good relationship and Doncic has a very high basketball IQ. On the flipside, Ayton has the reputation of an inconsistent motor.  I could easily see Doncic working out better for the Suns.
I wouldn't be surprised if he were the pick for the reasons you mention but unless they think he's a superstar, absolutely no way I take him over Ayton. Ayton's got some of the best footwork in a man that size I've seen in some time. Not a whole lot not to like and fills at much more pressing need for the Suns (and the better overall talent IMO). Ayton fits any system and much more likely to be franchise/superstar talent in my eyes.

 
Great 1H by Lebron  seemed to quit early last night. I forget how much time was left and what the score was at the time, but it was plenty/within-reach when he jacked that three from 6 feet behind top of arc, 7 sec on clock, and missed everything. Just wasn’t up for trying to grind back into it.
I think just because he plays at a high level most nights that some people forget that James is no spring chicken and is getting older, he will be 34 next year. James is actually an old man in BB years.

Father Time is still undefeated at some point this year fatigue will take it`s toll on James. 

 
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On The Rocks said:
I think the Suns should take Ayton, and trade their 2019 #1 pick next year (not Bucks pick) to the Celtics for Terry Rozier. 

I don't think the Celtics can manage to keep him when his contract ends so better to trade him a year early and get something for him.
Yes please!

 
Gotta say, the story of the season for me is Jaylen Brown. I was on him all last year and most of this for his tiny Trump hands & stoopit choices, the one-step-forward-two-steps-back of the tencentheadedness that went with those amazingly quick & hoppy hands & feet. Can't count the number of times he'd pick a pocket, snipe a lane or make someone fumble by being soooo quick on a switch, then fumble the ball himself, get picked back while cueing up a megajam or make a showboat pass out of bounds. Drove me nuts (admittedly, a short trip).

Somewhere in March, tho, he not only stopped doing the stupid stuff but, more&more, gamexgame, he replaced it with really bright choices & clean mechanics to go with them lightning feet & long arms. A month a go, i woulda swapped Tatum & Brown for Kawhi, coupla weeks ago Brown & change, now you aint gettin NONE of em cept from my cold Green hands.

 
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If you are like me and you don't want nice things for Boston sports fans, it was pointed out on twitter last night that they will absolutely positively 100% talk themselves into "Brad Stevens gives us a puncher's chance against the Warriors!" during the pre-Finals break.

Plus we'd all get to actually enjoy the Warriors, which I didn't ever expect to happen again. I figured those halycon days of the 2014-15 season were gone forever.

 
Great 1H by Lebron  seemed to quit early last night. I forget how much time was left and what the score was at the time, but it was plenty/within-reach when he jacked that three from 6 feet behind top of arc, 7 sec on clock, and missed everything. Just wasn’t up for trying to grind back into it.
More like great 1Q.  Three shots attempted in the 2Q after that torrid start?  I know part of it was he missed a few minutes after the collision, but if I read the box score right, he didn't attempt a shot in the 2Q until almost five minutes in to the quarter.  While I understand he's not going to be able to keep playing the whole game like he did in the 1st, I don't know why he wouldn't continue to force the issue until he cooled off.

 
Gotta say, the story of the season for me is Jaylen Brown. I was on him all last year and most of this for his tiny Trump hands & stoopit choices, the one-step-forward-two-steps-back of the tencentheadedness that went with those amazingly quick & hoppy hands & feet. Can't count the number of times he'd pick a pocket, snipe a lane or make someone fumble by being soooo quick on a switch, then fumble the ball himself, get picked back while cueing up a megajam or make a showboat pass out of bounds. Drove me nuts (admittedly, a short trip).

Somewhere in March, tho, he not only stopped doing the stupid stuff but, more&more, gamexgame, he replaced it with really bright choices & clean mechanics to go with them lightning feet & long arms. A month a go, i woulda swapped Tatum & Brown for Kawhi, coupla weeks ago Brown & change, now you aint gettin NONE of em cept from my cold Green hands.
I think the issues you had with him last year are what’s called being a rookie...the other thing I like about him and Tatum is they seem to be pretty mature for their age...they don’t give off the impression that they are gonna get an attitude as they get more media and fan attention...

 
The bar is so high for Lebron that people consider him "quitting" even when he puts up 42-12-10.
Agreed...he did all he could do...the attitude I saw last night was one that said this is my last year in Cleveland...I am not winning another title with this group...

 
More like great 1Q.  Three shots attempted in the 2Q after that torrid start?  I know part of it was he missed a few minutes after the collision, but if I read the box score right, he didn't attempt a shot in the 2Q until almost five minutes in to the quarter.  While I understand he's not going to be able to keep playing the whole game like he did in the 1st, I don't know why he wouldn't continue to force the issue until he cooled off.
if I were a GM in the league I would be salivating at possibly trading with the Cavs for some of their future 1sts. I can't figure out what value Lue brings to the team, and it just seems that the team is going to be in bad shape for multiple years

 
If you are like me and you don't want nice things for Boston sports fans, it was pointed out on twitter last night that they will absolutely positively 100% talk themselves into "Brad Stevens gives us a puncher's chance against the Warriors!" during the pre-Finals break.

Plus we'd all get to actually enjoy the Warriors, which I didn't ever expect to happen again. I figured those halycon days of the 2014-15 season were gone forever.
Is it wrong to think they might actually match up sort of OK (besides for the Baynes minutes)? :bag:  

 
If you are like me and you don't want nice things for Boston sports fans, it was pointed out on twitter last night that they will absolutely positively 100% talk themselves into "Brad Stevens gives us a puncher's chance against the Warriors!" during the pre-Finals break.

Plus we'd all get to actually enjoy the Warriors, which I didn't ever expect to happen again. I figured those halycon days of the 2014-15 season were gone forever.
I think for almost all neutral NBA fans, a Golden State vs Boston Finals is ideal. Golden State will win and as you mention since it also comes with Boston and their fans losing it makes the Warriors title not seem so bad. However, I highly suspect while most neutral fans will be happy Boston loses, they will find themselves rooting for the Celtics during the games. Rooting for the Warriors against this Celtics team is like rooting for the USSR against the USA in 1980.

 
More like great 1Q.  Three shots attempted in the 2Q after that torrid start?  I know part of it was he missed a few minutes after the collision, but if I read the box score right, he didn't attempt a shot in the 2Q until almost five minutes in to the quarter.  While I understand he's not going to be able to keep playing the whole game like he did in the 1st, I don't know why he wouldn't continue to force the issue until he cooled off.
It looked to me like the collision had an effect. Or maybe it was just watching his crappy teammates. But he didn't look the same the rest of the game.

 
I think for almost all neutral NBA fans, a Golden State vs Boston Finals is ideal. Golden State will win and as you mention since it also comes with Boston and their fans losing it makes the Warriors title not seem so bad. However, I highly suspect while most neutral fans will be happy Boston loses, they will find themselves rooting for the Celtics during the games. Rooting for the Warriors against this Celtics team is like rooting for the USSR against the USA in 1980.
On a personal note, a GS vs Bos final would incite WWIII in my house.  I jumped on the GS bandwagaon (admittedly) during their first run to the finals.  My youngest (14) has been a Boston fan for several seasons.  We love to argue.  Each of us have easy buttons to push.  Watching them battle would create a "hostile living environment" from my wife I think.

Looking forward to it. :thumbup:  

 
More like great 1Q.  Three shots attempted in the 2Q after that torrid start?  I know part of it was he missed a few minutes after the collision, but if I read the box score right, he didn't attempt a shot in the 2Q until almost five minutes in to the quarter.  While I understand he's not going to be able to keep playing the whole game like he did in the 1st, I don't know why he wouldn't continue to force the issue until he cooled off.
Try reading the part of the box score where he sat for the first 4 minutes of the quarter.  Then he managed 5 assists in the 6 minutes that he played during the quarter.

 
Warriors are 87.5% to win that finals matchup.  :shrug:  
Which makes sense considering Baynes/Semi will need to play 15-25 minutes a game and those will be minutes that greatly favor GS.  The Celtics are basically short one competent 6'7" guy that can shoot and play D from making the series really interesting (Semi's not that guy since he can't shoot and Baynes will get exposed on the defensive end).

 
More like great 1Q.  Three shots attempted in the 2Q after that torrid start?  I know part of it was he missed a few minutes after the collision, but if I read the box score right, he didn't attempt a shot in the 2Q until almost five minutes in to the quarter.  While I understand he's not going to be able to keep playing the whole game like he did in the 1st, I don't know why he wouldn't continue to force the issue until he cooled off.
a concussion will give one pause for a few minutes

 
More like great 1Q.  Three shots attempted in the 2Q after that torrid start?  I know part of it was he missed a few minutes after the collision, but if I read the box score right, he didn't attempt a shot in the 2Q until almost five minutes in to the quarter.  While I understand he's not going to be able to keep playing the whole game like he did in the 1st, I don't know why he wouldn't continue to force the issue until he cooled off.
He went to the bench with 30 seconds left in the 1st and came back in about 4 minutes into the 2nd.  I'd love if he could jack up corner 3's from the bench.

The neck/head injury thing didn't happen until inside the 4 minute mark right before halftime.  

edit:  sorry, Synth, looks like you had this covered.   :thumbup:

 
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A two-way backcourt of Booker/Doncic is fascinating but could they even defend George Hill/Rodney Hood, nm Splash Bros?! And can even the most millennial offense stand that kind of exposure on the other end? Without the KooKoo4Kokoskov hire would we even be considering Doncic there?

 
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A two-way backcourt of Booker/Doncic is fascinating but could they even defend George Hill/Rodney Hood, nm Splash Bros?! And can even the most millennial offense stand that kind of exposure on the other end? Without the KooKoo4Kokoskov hire would we even be considering Doncic there?
#1 on the Ringer’s draft board, among others. https://nbadraft.theringer.com/. I’m not the biggest O’Connor fan in terms of NBA analysis but I think he’s decent covering the draft. 

 
A two-way backcourt of Booker/Doncic is fascinating but could they even defend George Hill/Rodney Hood, nm Splash Bros?! And can even the most millennial offense stand that kind of exposure on the other end? Without the KooKoo4Kokoskov hire would we even be considering Doncic there?
Booker is terrific defensively. Great hands and feet, quick hops, very similar to Klay. Hornacek used him for defensive substitutions before he was getting major minutes. As a rookie he built a highlight reel of shut down defense while his teammates collapsed. Doncic is impossible for us to scout unless you have access to games. Highlights are so misleading, but I've seen some where he uses his length nicely on the perimeter playing denial and causing turnovers. Then Teodosic looked good enough on youtube too, and he's the worst defender in the league unless you appreciate the comedy. Doncic worries me. I would pass.

 
I'd take Ayton, but then I like Boogie. I don't discount our Sac fans insight there though.
The problem is that it’s so tough to build around an offensive-oriented center these days. To spend energy creating space, getting the ball, going into traffic and taking a beating, and then run the full length of the floor and anchor the defense and dominate the defensive glass is asking too much for anybody except Davis (and even then, he’s more perimeter oriented offensively). And with the four-out offensive philosophies that are so prevalent these days, you really need your center to be protecting the rim and cleaning the glass. 

 
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I don't know if it's so much offensive center as much as the traditional center as we knew it struggle more than ever keeping up with the pace of the game at the highest levels (which you alluded to in the latter part).  Unless they've got youth on their side, the higher level teams right now can wipe them off the court. 

Was really why it was just so puzzling on the spending spree at the position a couple years ago.. You could even extend this to some PFs.

 
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