Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Haven't compared GT to other bubble teams but a 3-1 finish should get them in at 19-13 with wins over unc, fsu, nd and cuse. And to finish 3-1 two more wins amongst nd, cuse and Miami.
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Tau837
Footballguy
GT doesn't have another regular season game against Miami. Their remaining schedule is NCSU, @ND, Pitt, @Syracuse. The only really strong win in that list would be at ND, and, unsurprisingly, that is probably the one of these games they are least likely to win. The other three teams are all currently outside the RPI Top 50, with State outside the top 100. Right now GT is 4-7 against RPI Top 50, and 3 of those wins are against RPI Top 25. As I mentioned above, I figured their schedule is easy enough that they will get 2+ more regular season wins, meaning they would be no worse than .500 in ACC regular season play. That is a more impressive accomplishment in this year's ACC than in many previous seasons. Plus, the other teams on the bubble with them (Wake, Miami, maybe Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson) all have worse resumes and/or harder remaining schedules. Put it all together, and I think they make it without winning a game in the ACCT.
NMYMND
Footballguy
Many, many college basketball analysts/commentators praised Virginia for stepping out of conference to play Villanova in January. For Virginia, it meant playing a high-profile game instead of taking a one-week break in the middle of conference play. Since then, Virginia has played 7 ACC games in 20 days and lost 5 of them. Perrantes looks exhausted and his shot has been off for several games. Did Virginia wreck their own season by not taking some time off, or is is just that this team is not as talented as in past years and teams have figured out how to beat them?
Jan. 29 Sunday @ Villanova (L) 59-61
Feb. 1 Wednesday Virginia Tech (W) 71-48
Feb. 4 Saturday @ Syracuse (L) 62-66
Feb. 6 Monday Louisville (W) 71-55
Feb. 12 Sunday @ Virginia Tech (L) 78-80 (2OT)
Feb. 15 Wednesday Duke (L) 55-65
Feb. 18 Saturday @ North Carolina (L) 41-65
Feb. 20 Monday Miami (L) 48-54 (OT)
Jan. 29 Sunday @ Villanova (L) 59-61
Feb. 1 Wednesday Virginia Tech (W) 71-48
Feb. 4 Saturday @ Syracuse (L) 62-66
Feb. 6 Monday Louisville (W) 71-55
Feb. 12 Sunday @ Virginia Tech (L) 78-80 (2OT)
Feb. 15 Wednesday Duke (L) 55-65
Feb. 18 Saturday @ North Carolina (L) 41-65
Feb. 20 Monday Miami (L) 48-54 (OT)
TLEF316
Footballguy
I think they're just not that good. They also thought they'd have Austin Nichols this year and his departure left a huge inside scoring void.
Bennet is a great coach and will keep uva competitive but he really hit multiple home runs with this recent group. The guys he has brought in are good but not on the same level as gill, Anderson, Tobey and brogdon.(not to mention Joe harris)
I think it's gonna be tough to find enough good offensive players that want to play in that system. Elite guys want to play fast. So he's either got to do a hell of a sell job or find diamonds in the rough like brogdon
Bennet is a great coach and will keep uva competitive but he really hit multiple home runs with this recent group. The guys he has brought in are good but not on the same level as gill, Anderson, Tobey and brogdon.(not to mention Joe harris)
I think it's gonna be tough to find enough good offensive players that want to play in that system. Elite guys want to play fast. So he's either got to do a hell of a sell job or find diamonds in the rough like brogdon
NMYMND
Footballguy
Yea, Nichols slipped my mind this morning, even though they mentioned him a few times during the broadcast. And losing the game they way they did on the night they retired Brogdon's number certainly highlighted what they are missing. I was at the UNC-Virginia game in Chapel Hill in 2015. It was close at halftime and Brogdon and Gill just took over in the second half. Such fantastic players. Such a shame last year's UVa team didn't get to the Final Four. I think Brogdon is going to hold a place in UVa basketball history similar to where Battier stands for Duke - just a great combo of on-court and off-court success.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I think Jerome and Guy are both great tony Bennett players but not necessarily immediate impact players. But agree they aren't going to get the top 25 players but don't think Bennett wants them either.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah guy and jerome are certainly acc caliber guys but I still don't think they're on the level of the departed. Guy is obviously a very talented shooter but does he have thever toughness to carry the load the way perrantes has this year (which still hasn't been enoughl. I'm not sure.
They need someone like gill that can manufacture points inside. Your whole offense can't be "waste 25 seconds of the shot clock and then take a tough jumper coming off a screen".
They need someone like gill that can manufacture points inside. Your whole offense can't be "waste 25 seconds of the shot clock and then take a tough jumper coming off a screen".
oso diablo
Footballguy
i agree about UVa not being that good. i thought Duke's win there said more about UVa's level of play than it did about Duke's level of play.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
There's a big monkey wrench in the "Yellow Jackets go dancing" plan.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
If Jackson's game winner falls that's the biggest shot for GT basketball since Will Bynum in the Final Four?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I don't see every game, so you'd know better than me.
They got as good a look at it as they could have hoped for.
tdoss
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
They didn't deserve to win. Between Lammers and the FT shooting it was a horrible night all around. They probably have to win out and I think it's more likely they lose out. Hard to be disappointed though considering the expectations at the beginning of the season.
NMYMND
Footballguy
Yes, it's finally here. I can't believe the ACC made me wait this long for the next chapter in the Duke-Syracuse rivalry. It's really filling the void that has existed in my life since the end of Duke-Maryland.
But sarcasm directed at ESPN aside, I do give them a little bit of credit for setting up tonight's doubleheader. I can do without the buildup making it all about the coaches, but if my kids allow it, I'll certainly be watching 4+ straight hours of ACC basketball tonight.
But sarcasm directed at ESPN aside, I do give them a little bit of credit for setting up tonight's doubleheader. I can do without the buildup making it all about the coaches, but if my kids allow it, I'll certainly be watching 4+ straight hours of ACC basketball tonight.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Duke better bring its A game tonight, I think Cuse is going to be fired up. I wonder if Jim will be talking about how much he loves Bojangles to the refs again? 
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Normally these quirky stats aren't my thing but this stuff strikes me as pretty remarkable, considering they've all coached pretty much entirely in the 64+ team tournament era. 4 more title games and 3 more titles than the other 350ish Div I coaches combined is amazing.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Oh my! Convenient banking hours in the dome.
NutterButter
Footballguy
That was an exciting game. A lot of big shots by the cuse.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Ugh. Cuse made some tough shots (battle with long 2's was just killer) but duke gave that away. Nice 2nd half adjustments by boeheim to limit tatum and kennard. Allen was beyond terrible tonight. Blew 4 fast breaks in the first half and shot too early twice after the 3 he made.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Shaking my head that I was questioning Allen's preseason acc ranking last year and he winds up having the largest ppg improvement from freshman to sophomore year eva. Then he comes back for this year and puts up the type of season i was expecting from him last year if not worse.
Giles did some nice things again tonight. Just have to hope that Amile continues to get healthy and show the game he had before the injury and that Allen gets his head out of his butt.
Giles did some nice things again tonight. Just have to hope that Amile continues to get healthy and show the game he had before the injury and that Allen gets his head out of his butt.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Any other Duke fans wishing Allen fouled out early in the 2nd half? And why not play Giles down the stretch, he was playing great. Again, all the credit in the world to Syracuse, they made some great shots, but Duke literally gave away 6-8 fast break/layups. Very frustrating to watch all game.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Giles would've just taken Amile's place who was playing very well down the stretch. One of the few bright spots during the last few minutes.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Just so much bad. The last possession was just horrible because K didn't have any TO's left to set up a play. Tatum didn't even get a touch.
I'm officially off the "this team could still get it together wagon". They're fatally flawed on defense and Allen is making Singler's disappointing senior year (when he was pre-season NPOY) look like Kemba Walker.
I'm officially off the "this team could still get it together wagon". They're fatally flawed on defense and Allen is making Singler's disappointing senior year (when he was pre-season NPOY) look like Kemba Walker.
tdoss
Footballguy
I really think the tripping nonsense has screwed Allen up.
Telling the kid to take it down a notch...take a bit off the competitiveness...has messed him up.
It's like telling a running qb to play in the pocket.
I don't think he can play any other way.
It's unbelievable what he's done to his stock this season.
Telling the kid to take it down a notch...take a bit off the competitiveness...has messed him up.
It's like telling a running qb to play in the pocket.
I don't think he can play any other way.
It's unbelievable what he's done to his stock this season.
TLEF316
Footballguy
They had one. He transferred to USC because his dad was a lunatic.
Not saying he was a stud last year or anything (he obviously wasn't. Shot like crap) but his potential was obvious.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Uh, Stones Jones was pretty good. Unfortunately for duke, a little too good.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Little brother will probably be there in a couple of years. He's having a big junior year and Duke clearly wants him.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Would be nice to have Stones Jones II. 1 year wasn't nearly enough. My favorite duke player by a wide margin in a long time.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
CabinFever
Footballguy
Enough to beat teams like GT, yes, but our fan base has higher aspirations. Plus 2 of those PGs stayed only 1 year and Frank Jackson isn't a point guard.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I think it might be time to give Roy Williams a little more credit for player development and game planning. Every player on the current team was recruited with the cloud of the Afro-Am scandal and the possibility of sanctions hanging over the program. He hasn't had a single lottery pick caliber talent over that time (only Top 10 recruit was Justin Jackson at 10th in 2014). And if the Heels find a way to win two of their final three they'll win the outright ACC regular season title for the second straight year, two of the tougher years to do so in conference history considering the expansion and the number of quality teams in the mix.
He's been fairly lucky with health and NBA departures, of course. Still, if he finishes the job over the next 9 days ... you really can't ask for more out of your coach/program.
Speaking of NBA departures, someone's gonna get a steal with Justin Jackson at the end of the first round.
He's been fairly lucky with health and NBA departures, of course. Still, if he finishes the job over the next 9 days ... you really can't ask for more out of your coach/program.
Speaking of NBA departures, someone's gonna get a steal with Justin Jackson at the end of the first round.
NutterButter
Footballguy
21 points at the half. This duke team is such a mess.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I posted in the NCAA thread that this may well be the dumbest Duke team I've ever seen. They take horrible shots and their defense is awful. They are lucky Miami isn't good, or they'd be getting blown out right now.
NutterButter
Footballguy
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NutterButter
Footballguy
I love this duke offense. Milk the clock for 25 secs and the take a contested 3. Brilliant. I can see why their d is lacking having to spend so much time working on such complex offenses.
sporthenry
Footballguy
This team will always be a what if. Like I said though, they play with anyone in the good and the bad.
This year seems like a bloodbath and tournament will be crazy. Just blew two of ther easier games but hopefully they don't fall below a 4. Maybe get a 3. Apart from Nova, like their chances against a 1 although it's an uphill battle to even get there.
This year seems like a bloodbath and tournament will be crazy. Just blew two of ther easier games but hopefully they don't fall below a 4. Maybe get a 3. Apart from Nova, like their chances against a 1 although it's an uphill battle to even get there.
NutterButter
Footballguy
CabinFever
Footballguy
I realize K knows a little more than I do, but at this point in the season, why not start Frank Jackson and Giles? I am finally ready to all but give up on Bolden, offensively he is AWFUL. And Amile just isn't the same player since that injury. So play Giles and Jackson, the ones that have more talent/upside than anyone else other than Tatum. I'd roll out Jackson, Allen, Kennard, Tatum, and Giles from here on out, let Matt Jones, Amile, Bolden get spot minutes. And while we're making changes, how about chain the big guys to the post, what good does it do bringing the bigs to the 3 point line on defense??? I get offensively they can create screens an pick and rolls, but they hedge out on defense and its a layup clinic over and over for the other team...
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Tau837
Footballguy
Huh. Very similar to Maryland's current offense, which is milk the clock for 24 seconds and take a 25-foot uncontested 3.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
If GT beats Pitt and Syracuse this week they will finish ahead of Cuse, swept them, and have other wins against against unc, ND and FSU. No way Syracuse gets in before GT in that scenario.
Wake has one decent win against Miami. They need some quality wins on their resume.
All that said the last 5-6 teams getting in according to lunardi all are mediocre even moreso than normal.
So the ACC isn't getting 10 teams like the experts have been predicting most of the year?
Tau837
Footballguy
I think everything you posted is aligned with the summary I posted. Wake and Syracuse were stated as having a realistic shot if they can get some upsets (plural) down the stretch.
According to the entry, GT's RPI is 93. If they beat Pitt at home and lose to Syracuse on the road, which seems like the most likely outcome, they will finish 8-10 in the ACC, and 2-10 on the road overall, with just one quality road win. In this scenario, they would be playing on Tuesday in the ACCT, so I don't see how they could expect a bid without winning at least 2 games in the ACCT. Their OOC SOS (261) is killing them here.
It certainly seems possible that bubble competition is weak enough that a 9th and/or 10th ACC team could make it more by default than on merit.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
8 locks. GT/Syracuse loser going to need to do damage in Brooklyn. Winner might be 9. Wake has VT and Louisville this week. A win over the cards might get them in. Guess a lot depends on other bubble teams and who wins the conference tournaments.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Frank Jackson is a bad man. wow.
