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2017 New York Jets: Robby Anderson has been arrested in Florida for the second straight offseason. This is why we can't have nice things. (1 Viewer)
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Still quiet....I think Cutler is a good QB option but not for a rebuild....I'd much prefer sinking or swimming with the kids or bringing in another young arm with upside to compete...bringing in someone like Cutler guarantees a 6-8 win season and yet more mediocrity. Either break out or stink and build up!
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Jets signed Kelvin Beachum https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/840357621588721669
and Chandler Catanzaro https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/840359383028625408
and Chandler Catanzaro https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/840359383028625408
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northern exposure
Footballguy
I have somebody in a 12 team non-ppr dynasty league really pushing Robby Anderson in a trade for a late round rookie pick. Would you give up a 4th for him? a 5th round rookie pick?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
tough to say....as of now I still dont think the 2017 QB is on the roster...Anderson should be in the rotation regardless and has some nice upside though...id try to get him a bit cheaper now as Jets look toxic...could be a nice dynasty pick up though
LBH
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Cheaper than a 5th? I would jump on that in a flash, why bother getting cheaper and risk losing him? Hell I'd jump on the 4th in a flash as well.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Hightower visiting today - man I'd love to sign this beast....hurts a division rival, young and would really cement the defense.....unfortunately I believe he is simply using the Jets to get more $ out of NE...I hope they shock me by not letting him leave the building. Even if they have to pay him $12M - cut Harris and you replace him with a much younger/better version for only an additional $6M.
Also with Foles going back to Philly looks like Daniel is close to being cut/dealt....I'd flip a late rder for him.
Also with Foles going back to Philly looks like Daniel is close to being cut/dealt....I'd flip a late rder for him.
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Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I like the Chase Daniels idea over Cutty. I know there are those who are like "go with the young guys and let them sink or swim", but honestly, I don't think we are good enough to support an effort like that. What would we learn if we go 3-13 and the QB gets killed dropping back all the time? Better to have someone who can navigate a pocket, and then determine whether it is a team or QB issue (or likely both). I just don't think you learn anything by throwing one of those guys out there.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Very slow on the QB market for the Jets despite a lot of options....besides media speculation they really arent shown to want anyone available.....maybe the lack of signing a QB is proof that they really like a QB in the draft? Doubt they carry 4 QBs again and probably dont want to dump Petty so perhaps they draft a QB high after all...
LBH
Footballguy
We are not good enough to support any QB they decide to sign. May as well go young. I don't think we'd learn anything by throwing Cutler, McCown or whatever vet QB is the flavor of the week out there either. What are they worth in terms of games they may win over a young unproven starter? My guess is not many at all
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
This is a throw away mulligan season, it's all about the 2018 qb class....
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
It is a slippery slope...I agree with the thought on Cutler and McCown, but management can't trot out Hackenburg or Petty as Plan A...they just can't. They have to deliver a somewhat watchable product (or intend to), and anything less is unfair to the people buying tickets. I bleed green, but I also have a lot less on the line than "Sal from Queens" who pays money to support the team. I see one away game per year with my 12 year old, but that is almost as much about seeing a new city (we went to the Browns game last year), than it is watching the game. I don't have nearly the amount of skin in the game as a season ticket holder. I'd love to say, "cut anyone over 28 and trade anything for picks", but that is just not realistic. The Browns game I went to was barely half filled; they are perpetually rebuilding, but no one cares unless they know the team has a chance to win that day.
I still think if you have someone who can navigate a pocket, you know better whether your line is effective, etc., than some kid who does not know his head from his ### and constantly gets sacked.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
True fans of the team should understand that a 6-10 record with Jay Cutler starting is not in the team's best interest.
...and honestly the real money comes from the television contracts and not ticket sales. Of course ideally they want a full house each week but how much worse do you really think the attandance will be in December if the team is 2-12 instead of 5-9?
Also I am Sal from Queens (originally)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Chase Daniel would now cost them nothing, since he was releasd, but a cheap veteran minimum contract. At 30, I still think he's the best option for the team as he can start the year off and unless he looks very good (and if so, great) there would be no issue with giving Petty and/or Hack the second half of the season.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Well more good news......it's Mehta so take it with a grain of salt but man if this is true....
Daily News -
The Jets might have a weighty issue on their hands that they frankly don’t need.
The Daily News has learned that defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson isn’t exactly in the best shape of his life at the moment. Several scouts at Temple Pro Day in Philadelphia last week were aghast upon seeing a bloated Wilkerson, who appears to have let himself go after the worst season of his career.
Wilkerson, who starred at Temple before the Jets took him in the first round in 2011, looked like he had been plucked from the nearest buffet, according to people in attendance.
One scout texted me a picture of a Goodyear blimp with an accompanying: “Sloppy.”
“He looked like a pedestrian with a huge gut,” another scout said. “I was shocked.”
Daily News -
The Jets might have a weighty issue on their hands that they frankly don’t need.
The Daily News has learned that defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson isn’t exactly in the best shape of his life at the moment. Several scouts at Temple Pro Day in Philadelphia last week were aghast upon seeing a bloated Wilkerson, who appears to have let himself go after the worst season of his career.
Wilkerson, who starred at Temple before the Jets took him in the first round in 2011, looked like he had been plucked from the nearest buffet, according to people in attendance.
One scout texted me a picture of a Goodyear blimp with an accompanying: “Sloppy.”
“He looked like a pedestrian with a huge gut,” another scout said. “I was shocked.”
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
If any reporter deserves to be punched in the face, it's Womanish. He's known for trying to trash players that won't talk to him and he's infamous for his anonymous sources.
Wilkerson posted a pic last week on Instragram where he looked the same as always. I guess it could have been an old pic, but who knows. Womanish is a dirtbag.
I like the Claiborne signing today, but I haven't seen any contract info yet.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not sure how he would do that - especially if he did "blow". He'd be dirt cheap so it would be easy for them to turn the reins over to Petty or Hack.
Fariq
Footballguy
Josh McCown has at least played and could be a good influence. Daniel, Hackenberg, and Petty together is like having three inexperienced passers. I realize one has been in the league since 1997 (exaggerating a tad), but this wouldn't be good. It is best to have one guy with legitimate experience who could impart some wisdom on the younger quarterbacks. With McCown it is not playoff-winning experience but it is something. With Daniel it is nothing. "Bryce, here is how you hold a tablet on the sideline during a game."
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Yeah, I like this too...I'd almost be "scared" that McCown would get us to 6-10, and that really gets us nowhere. If Daniel does the same, at least we know there could be a future. And I agree with skipping Petty for Hackenberg.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Nothing from petty showed me that he's a potential starter, even a below average one. Backup? Maybe but that's obviously not worth any game time with the Jets situation.
Hackenberg was known for a strong arm and an advanced ability to read a defense for a young players ( his freshman year before Obrien left). If thats not the case, I think it will show pretty quickly. If he can't at least show some progress in his footwork and accuracy after a year and half, it's time to cut bait
Hackenberg was known for a strong arm and an advanced ability to read a defense for a young players ( his freshman year before Obrien left). If thats not the case, I think it will show pretty quickly. If he can't at least show some progress in his footwork and accuracy after a year and half, it's time to cut bait
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
agree with all of this...Daniel is an unknown but young enough if he looks good they can roll with him a few yrs...I'd expect him to be up and down enough where Hack gets a shot next year...definitely need to know if they have a QB or not going into 2018 draft....McCown and Cutler would be good enough to win 6-8 games...whats the point!
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
And it's not Jay Cutler. 
That's my silver lining.
Deal is for $6 mil guaranteed plus incentives.
Also agree with Fariq's comments about the value of his experience and being a good influence.
That's my silver lining.Deal is for $6 mil guaranteed plus incentives.
Also agree with Fariq's comments about the value of his experience and being a good influence.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Josh McCowan is a very good signing. His primary concern is durability but he is an excellent influence and locker room presence. He can start in a pinch but his primary role should be to nurture a young QB. Hue Jackson liked him so much that he wanted him on his coaching staff but Josh still wanted to play so good luck to him. Wishing him nothing but the best.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
McCown is fine - mostly because he won't last three quarters before getting injured so Petty or Hack will be forced to play. He's more like a glorified QB coach.
I also put it in the plus column that it's not Cutler.
I also put it in the plus column that it's not Cutler.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
And he has a sense of humor.
https://twitter.com/JoshMcCown12/status/784515785548976128
ETA- Here are the incentives. Unless they make the playoffs, they are capped at $2 mil.:
Per the terms of the contract: McCown will receive $125,000 for each game that he plays 50 percent or more of the snaps — at a $2 million maximum. He’ll also receive an additional $2 million if the Jets make the playoffs with him playing 65 percent of the time, another $1.5 million if they reach the Super Bowl with him playing 65 percent of the time and $1.5 million if they win the Super Bowl with him playing 65 percent of the time.
https://twitter.com/JoshMcCown12/status/784515785548976128
ETA- Here are the incentives. Unless they make the playoffs, they are capped at $2 mil.:
Per the terms of the contract: McCown will receive $125,000 for each game that he plays 50 percent or more of the snaps — at a $2 million maximum. He’ll also receive an additional $2 million if the Jets make the playoffs with him playing 65 percent of the time, another $1.5 million if they reach the Super Bowl with him playing 65 percent of the time and $1.5 million if they win the Super Bowl with him playing 65 percent of the time.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I wonder how much laughter there was in the room when they were discussing those Super Bowl incentives.
Reaper
Footballguy
I spent McCown day watching more OJ Howard...... Just put on DraftBreakdown Vids and let it play. You watch a game of his like his Auburn game,
JESUS... You watch the entire game and it should be set to music like a highlight tape.. The Blocking, the catches, the YAC...
I see a lot of Jet fans on the Safety Hooker....
Anyone you pick at 6 has to be All-World so either way you better be getting Greg Olson or Eric Berry....
And I'd hope Bowles would nail a Safety pick - tho that blew up in my face when I hoped Rex could pick a LB
That said.... Having that Top tier TE could do wonders for whatever young Jet QB they attempt to develop... Add that player to the young WR core, add that blocking to the Run Game!!!!
So, On this Day (subject to change) My pick at 6 is OJ Howard...
Granted trading back and getting a TE AND a S or OLB is ideal
JESUS... You watch the entire game and it should be set to music like a highlight tape.. The Blocking, the catches, the YAC...
I see a lot of Jet fans on the Safety Hooker....
Anyone you pick at 6 has to be All-World so either way you better be getting Greg Olson or Eric Berry....
And I'd hope Bowles would nail a Safety pick - tho that blew up in my face when I hoped Rex could pick a LB
That said.... Having that Top tier TE could do wonders for whatever young Jet QB they attempt to develop... Add that player to the young WR core, add that blocking to the Run Game!!!!
So, On this Day (subject to change) My pick at 6 is OJ Howard...
Granted trading back and getting a TE AND a S or OLB is ideal
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not sure - but even though we all know the Jets' have no shot at the Super Bowl (heck the playoffs are even a joke), it's arguable that it is a "realistic" possibility.
Reaper
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
There are "Not Likely To Be Earned (LTBE)" incentives and they don't count against the current year's cap, but common sense isn't a factor - they are based on the player's and/or team's previous seasons' performance. Even so, if a player does hit an NLTBE incentive, the money is charged to the team's cap the following season so there's not a lot of incentive to load up the contract with NLTBE just to bypass the cap. The NFL has pretty much nailed down any way to cheat the cap - if it's paid, it's hitting the cap.
