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2023 New York Jets: Bye Bye (11 Viewers)
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
I think PFF gives a huge negative grade to threatening team reporters.
sheerterror
Footballguy
In the words of Tony Soprano: "I'm gonna say a few things. And I'm gonna say some bad words. And you're just gonna have to deal with it."
<rant incoming>
I'm just about done with this stupid ###### franchise. Only this joke of an organization can bring in this walking clownshow, and empower him to do whatever the hell his pompous, egotistical ### wants to do because there is ZERO semblance of balls or leadership anywhere in this organization to either keep him in check, or at least counterbalance his ######## amongst the rest of the team. You would think this ###hole would be concerned with continuing the rehab of his catastrophic injury so he can MAYBE come back and be 75% of his former self? Nope, let's just make a mockery of all of it with these fake political campaigns, going viral with subversive ######## with all his new age loser snake oil salesman friends like Toe Rogan, Aubrey Marcus and the like. Are you a future HOFer coming here to "save" this franchise, or are you a pop culture icon that sometimes plays football in the background?
And we're allegedly supposed to be a Super Bowl contender? On what planet?! This team is sitting idly, getting worse by the day refusing to even go half all in for this unsustainable situation. Yet they can't/won't draft a QB to try YET again to find a franchise qb because theyre handcuffed to this moron that they sold their soul to.
This is going to piss some people off, and it's probably at least 50% reactionary on a stupid morning here, but I'm getting to the point where I legitimately want this whole thing to crash and burn in a very prominent way. This whole org needs to be fired and [once again] start over.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
The Rodgers stuff is just usual offseason nonsense for him. I put zero concern into his strange behavior as long as hes healthy and plays this year.
I am less than happy with FA so far - in a win now scenario they overpaid for a few mediocre pieces that dont move the needle at all. JD saving money like hes here the long term - strange.
I have no doubt agents use the Jets - its been happening for years - they are always used to inflate offers and have to overpay to land players - winning takes care of that eventually
Im not getting too upset because if it goes bad then they are all gone
I am less than happy with FA so far - in a win now scenario they overpaid for a few mediocre pieces that dont move the needle at all. JD saving money like hes here the long term - strange.
I have no doubt agents use the Jets - its been happening for years - they are always used to inflate offers and have to overpay to land players - winning takes care of that eventually
Im not getting too upset because if it goes bad then they are all gone
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Looking at these signings is painful - Kinlaw, Fotu and Simpson contracts together are pretty close on a yearly for what Huff signed. Id much rather have Huff.....very underwhelmed for an all in year with limited premium draft picks
only positive is JD leaving the next guy lots of cap room for next year - $100M plus at least $16M in obvious cuts.
only positive is JD leaving the next guy lots of cap room for next year - $100M plus at least $16M in obvious cuts.
sheerterror
Footballguy
I appreciate that he's not overspending just for the sake of it to try to save his job and leave us in cap hell after he's gone, but its also baffling that he's not trying to press at least a little, especially with the alleged window they believe we're in because of Rodgers. Diontae Johnson was GIVEN away - not sure why it wouldn't have been viable to bring him in at the cost of minimal draft capital.
We're going to end up cleaning house with coach/GM but in typical JEST fashion, still cannot figure out how to align those 2 with their young QB of choice. Instead, it feels like it'll be more of a temporary regime coming in to continue to assist Rodgers in his bidding until he finally decides to retire (which I pray is after this season). So while that cap space will be nice on paper, I still don't think anybody is beating down the door to sign here. Maybe it means we'll be able to keep the 4 good players we actually have (besides the Williams bros).
Kiddnets
Footballguy
good call - that has to be a major factor - The big 4 are open to extensions next year and looking at close to $100M (CB $22M yr + Edge $26M + WR $27M + RB $15M = $90M) - if they dont make a major run this year they wasted 3 yr cheap window
NYRAGE
Footballguy
While he sets his market on good players and refuses to overpay, he tends to overpay on lesser players that seemingly have little market value. How is Kinlaw getting that much?
Also, he talks about building homegrown talent through the draft, but then lets Huff walk out the door.
Well, the Jets just traded for Morgan Moses. Welcome back
NYRAGE
Footballguy
He's only making $5.5 m this year
sheerterror
Footballguy
If they pay up for Tyron and then draft WR at 10 this will have a much better feel to it.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
It's a great deal. We just have to ignore that JD let him go in the first place and uses assets to get him back, but considering how bad some of his moves are, we can live with it.
Runkle
Footballguy
I think the issue is that it could prevent him from playing at the start of the year, isn't that a concern?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
My personal opinion is zero chance - even if this becomes a thing Ill be shocked if he misses any games. maybe some practices here and there - just usual Rodgers offseason nonsense
Mookie
Footballguy
I've been painting our basement for the last month, and every time I go to the paint store, there's a gallon of Jets green paint just sitting there in the $5 bin. I came home last night and told the wife I was going to buy the gallon and paint a wall Jets green. She hesitated, then said "if that's what you want, go ahead." I then paused and said "Never mind." My point is that this franchise sucks.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Ho.....ly......crap
Hes never going to play another down.
And if he does, there's no way I'm rooting for him.
Hes never going to play another down.
And if he does, there's no way I'm rooting for him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s a bad signing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nauseating.
rockaction
Footballguy
Awful. Can’t support that, really. That’s delusional, fitting, and somehow perfectly within the zeitgeist.
Bravo to him (sarcasm there) and good riddance when he leaves.
Justin Fields could probably be had for a third. Do it.
Bravo to him (sarcasm there) and good riddance when he leaves.
Justin Fields could probably be had for a third. Do it.
Runkle
Footballguy
Certainly won't play well considering Sandy Hook is part of the greater NY/tri-state market for his current team. He made the comments while with the Packers, but now that he's the Jets QB I would imagine WFAN is not going to be easy on him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Legitimately dangerous offense with Hall, Wilson, & Fields. I’d love to see it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Sorry, bro, but Fields is terrible. His EPA/att over three years is almost the all-time low for a quarterback selected in the first round in a similar time farme. His company consists of Zach Wilson, Joey Harrington, Sam Darnold, and other awful first-round busts.
I'd still take him today upon hearing the news.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d like to see him in a new circumstance to truly make that evaluation.
Jets OL is better, the offense would theoretically run through Hall, taking some pressure off of Fields, and they have weapons for him.
If any player needed a change of scenery to succeed it’s Fields.
Hard to dispute that at this point
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Its difficult to separate the person from the player/entertainer. I decided a long time ago that there has to be a sort of wall. I love Pink Floyd for example - Im not going to deprive myself of listening to them because Roger Waters has crazy views.
The Sandy hook conspiracy theory - assuming he said it - which Im not sure is confirmed as of yet - is reprehensible but just another spoke in the wheel of his crazy stuff. UFOs, anti-vax, drug induced cabin stays - the guy is out there - I was happy when my Nets traded Kyrie after spewing some serious nonsense as well - However I dont think he is going anywhere and will still cheer and pray he leads the Jets to the Super Bowl. That being said I really hope he comes out and denounces that story but not holding my breath. Keep in mind the Jets owner is big time political as well - I seriously doubt anything comes of this.
As for Mosley - its not the restructure we all feared - his contract has been kicked down the line for years. This is way better- went from a $21M cap hit to $8.5 with the same amount of dead cap $ for next year if they move on. Opens up $12M - hopefully for one more OT and WR.
The Sandy hook conspiracy theory - assuming he said it - which Im not sure is confirmed as of yet - is reprehensible but just another spoke in the wheel of his crazy stuff. UFOs, anti-vax, drug induced cabin stays - the guy is out there - I was happy when my Nets traded Kyrie after spewing some serious nonsense as well - However I dont think he is going anywhere and will still cheer and pray he leads the Jets to the Super Bowl. That being said I really hope he comes out and denounces that story but not holding my breath. Keep in mind the Jets owner is big time political as well - I seriously doubt anything comes of this.
As for Mosley - its not the restructure we all feared - his contract has been kicked down the line for years. This is way better- went from a $21M cap hit to $8.5 with the same amount of dead cap $ for next year if they move on. Opens up $12M - hopefully for one more OT and WR.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Certainly respect your opinion and I'm definitely not trying to turn this into a political debate (not allowed on this forum and not something I've ever enjoyed anyway)
Totally agree that in many cases, you just have to accept that you're rooting for laundry worn by some not-so-great people. Everyone has to draw their personal line somewhere.
This particular issue/event is where I draw mine. I wasn't personally impacted and dont even have kids, but Sandy Hook affected me in a significant way. (more so than pretty much any other news event in my lifetime other than probably 9/11). Claiming it didnt happen (let alone expressing those views in public) is DISGUSTING and I cant enjoy myself rooting for a team lead by someone like that.
Not judging anyone who feels differently...but I'm done rooting for this team if Rodgers is the QB. (because I dont believe CNN is lying about this, even though they're far from perfect)
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
I dont think its a political debate - though I did enjoy lurking on the political forums back in the day lol - and certainly respect your opinion and share in the horror of Sandy Hook. My comments in no way support Rodgers IF he did in fact spout this nonsense.
The debate is really where to draw the line - did Steeler fans stop cheering after the Ben allegations? Kobe is still a universally beloved person before and after his passing. Michael Vick was cheered. Kyrie Irving got a monster contract after doubling down on anti-vax and anti-semitic views and he gets cheered nightly.
Its a tough line and its for each individual to choose where it is. I certainly respect anyone who decides that its enough on something like this - the line is different for everyone. I guess as I get older I just tune out things more and accept that some people are just out there.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Even though I personally disagree with just about all of his non-football opinions, we do have that have freedom of speech to allow Rodgers to voice his opinions however dumb or offensive they may be (albeit with repercussions).
It just irks me that he talked about eliminating the bs, but is hypocritical enough to continue spewing bs.
It further irks me that this sideshow organization led by King Dummy himself, Woody, continues to be a joke and probably always will with him in charge. Woody is probably too obtuse to realize how much he is hated by his fanbase or how much of the fault for our failures is his.
It just irks me that he talked about eliminating the bs, but is hypocritical enough to continue spewing bs.
It further irks me that this sideshow organization led by King Dummy himself, Woody, continues to be a joke and probably always will with him in charge. Woody is probably too obtuse to realize how much he is hated by his fanbase or how much of the fault for our failures is his.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
It is ridiculous how he made that comment and then does all this stupid stuff. come on man
Woody could care less. hes a trust fund baby who never earned his fortune, he left his team to take a stupid waste of time political position overseas and has been quoted that he'd rather win an election than the super bowl. While i dont think he is the worst owner in the league - i am confident he could care less about how he is perceived....i mean just watch those cringe phone calls to draft picks.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
What else could he say? But anyway, real football news:
Corey Davis filed for reinstatement from retirement. The Jets will release him. It's possible that they re-work a contract.
TLEF316
Footballguy
At least he had the decency to deny it.
I dont think I believe him (because I dont think the named reporter at CNN has any reason to lie. Why open yourself up to a MASSIVE libel suit just to derail some 3rd party candidate who isn't going to move the needle anyway?)
But that's obviously a me problem.
zamboni
Footballguy
We’ll never doubt you again, JD, until week 3.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Or sooner.
Man, I was in the middle of my Peloton Joan Jett ride when I got that notification. All is forgiven. Now let's go get a weapon at #10. We can even trade down for a WR and pick up a lineman with the extra pick.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Can we bring back a humbled becton on a cheap deal to learn from Tyron and provide the depth we know we're inevitably going to need?
This also feels like we're going to be in a position to take Bowers/Nabers/Rome at 10 now as more of the "win now" pick than a T that likely won't contribute much this season.
This also feels like we're going to be in a position to take Bowers/Nabers/Rome at 10 now as more of the "win now" pick than a T that likely won't contribute much this season.
zamboni
Footballguy
I hate myself for loving JD.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
The Jets and Becton hate each other. Plus he sucks.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Tyrod Taylor deal was
Bam. Taylor is getting $6m per year. $8.5 m guaranteed. Some bogus years thrown in. 2024 cap hit of $2.8 m. 2025 cap hit of $6.8m. $2.4m dead cap hit of 2026.
Bam. Taylor is getting $6m per year. $8.5 m guaranteed. Some bogus years thrown in. 2024 cap hit of $2.8 m. 2025 cap hit of $6.8m. $2.4m dead cap hit of 2026.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Smith is an awesome signing! If they can somehow add Rodgers buddy for a vet min deal to round out the OL and add a #2 WR I dont know how JD couldnt have done better overall.
While Fields trade shows they will likely wind up cutting Zach - what an awful 1st rd QB draft class in 2021. Only Trevor survives but he hasnt even been close to as advertised.
Wilson - #2 overall pick likely cut
Trey Lance #3 overall traded for a 4th - barely played and got the best return lol
Fields - #11 overall pick - traded for 6th 2025
M Jones - #15 overall pick traded for 6th rder
thats a bloodbath - so hard to draft a rookie QB - maybe vet route is the way to go.
While Fields trade shows they will likely wind up cutting Zach - what an awful 1st rd QB draft class in 2021. Only Trevor survives but he hasnt even been close to as advertised.
Wilson - #2 overall pick likely cut
Trey Lance #3 overall traded for a 4th - barely played and got the best return lol
Fields - #11 overall pick - traded for 6th 2025
M Jones - #15 overall pick traded for 6th rder
thats a bloodbath - so hard to draft a rookie QB - maybe vet route is the way to go.
zamboni
Footballguy
Happy with Tyrod Taylor as the backup. As far as backups go in the NFL, you can do a lot, lot worse.
As for #2 WR, I’m jonesing for them to get Tyler Boyd and then find another one in a deep rookie WR class.
rockaction
Footballguy
I honestly don't agree. Tyler Boyd is not a great receiver. He doesn't get separation even out of the slot and he doesn't seem to have great hands—this is all according to scouts and may not be accurate, but that's what I'm generally hearing and have believed prior to this. Better to get an outside receiver who can separate, but those are costly.
zamboni
Footballguy
Yeah he’s no world beater but played well when he filled in as the #2 guy in the past. Granted that was a few years ago, so maybe he’s better suited as the slot guy. Not much out there as you say, and not sure Mike Williams has that outside separation ability at this point.
massraider
Footballguy
Well, can't be mad at that deal for the Jets.
rockaction
Footballguy
That's outstanding. All I saw on Twitter was 1 year at 20 million dollars and I thought that was really steep
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