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*** 2017 NHL Off-Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

falguy said:
Anybody who has seen my posts knows i can be negative - especially when it comes to the Habs. But does anyone who watched them last year think they have improved this off season? We get drouin, great. But Alzner over emelin? Maybe a slight improvement. Maybe. Radulov gone - he really was a heart and sole guy last season. Who replaces his production and play making? We still have no centers. No puck moving defensemen - hell we traded one away for a pick. Quite likely to lose markov.

This will not end well
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You have Julien, though.

 
falguy said:
Anybody who has seen my posts knows i can be negative - especially when it comes to the Habs. But does anyone who watched them last year think they have improved this off season? We get drouin, great. But Alzner over emelin? Maybe a slight improvement. Maybe. Radulov gone - he really was a heart and sole guy last season. Who replaces his production and play making? We still have no centers. No puck moving defensemen - hell we traded one away for a pick. Quite likely to lose markov.

This will not end well
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Rumor I keep hearing, and it could just be guys connecting the dots, is Bergevin will be going after Draisaitl with an offer sheet. I hope it isn't true and Chiarelli said he will match any offer made to Draisaitl, but it still has me worried. 

Some local guys are saying if the Oilers have to match a monster deal for Leon, they will try to trade him before McDavid's huge contract counts towards the cap in 2018-19. 

 
Twitter reports last night had Andrei Markov talking with the Flyers.

The only way the Flyers could make this work is if they could somehow ditch AMac and I don't see that happening. 

The leak could also be negotiating ploy by Markov agent to drive MTL price up.

Earlier reports had 38 yo Markov asking for 2 x 6

 
I missed this part of the Shattenkirk to Rangers story until now:

For years and years and years, the Rangers essentially bribed free agents to come to New York with bloated contract offers in reverse auctions in which the organization sold its soul as the highest bidder.

Saturday, the world spun 180 degrees when Kevin Shattenkirk, a New Rochelle native and resident who always dreamed of wearing the Blueshirt, gladly took less to come to Broadway.

The fact is that the 28-year-old defenseman made the Rangers an offer they ultimately could not refuse, $26.6 million over four years for a $6.65 million cap hit per. Yes, in a complete reversal of the norm, the proposal was made to the organization by the free agent even as other offers rolled into him for far more money on longer-term deals.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/learned-nhl-gms-terrible-defensemen-contracts-132950433.html
 

However, with a lot of the big contracts this weekend, it’s impossible to see any sort of thought process. Dan Girardi, bought out earlier in the week and understandably so, got $3 million AAV from Tampa (usually a smart organization). Ignoring the fact that he actively hurts your club on the ice, let alone your balance sheets, why does he get $3 million on a bought-out contract when actual useful forwards — Scott Hartnell and Benoit Pouliot — who were also recently bought out went to other teams on bargain contracts.

The question is obvious: Why Girardi?

While $3 million may not seem like a lot of money — it’s just 4 percent of the cap this year — it’s at roughly the midpoint of what defensemen earn after their ELCs expire. Last season, 225 veteran defensemen played at least one NHL game, according to CapFriendly. The median salary for that group was more than $2.67 million. This shows us that Tampa clearly believes Dan Girardi is better than a median NHL defenseman, which we understand is simply not the case, based on years of evidence.

That was, however, not the worst ‘D’ contract given out this weekend. That honor obviously goes to Winnipeg giving Dmitry Kulikov — who was absolutely terrible last season and therefore crying out for a one-year, short-money “show-me” contract — $4.33 million AAV for each of the next three seasons. He might have been one of the worst defensemen in the entire league, and they put his AAV well above the median, the average, or any other reasonable measure.

They’re paying him to be a No. 3, effectively. He may not be a No. 6.

And as with Girardi, you don’t need to be an analytics genius to see how bad this guy is. He’s just regular-old bad. But one assumes that you make an evaluation on a player and see what you want to see, really. Steve Yzerman says Tampa has its own analytics that show, actually, Girardi is really good at what they need overall. Which, one assumes, is bad turnovers and terrible skating.
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northern exposure said:
Oilers sign Connor McJesus to an 8 year contract extension at $12.5 mill AAV.

:thumbup: Now let's get Leon Draisaitl signed long term.
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I actually think that's a nice deal for the team. Max term and almost $2.5 million less than he could have asked for. He was basically worth (and was going to get) pretty much whatever he wanted.

Draisaitl's deal will be a lot more interesting to me personally, as I'm not yet 100% sold that he's a superstar in his own right, and he's going to want franchise player cash, too.

 
I've seen speculation for Draisatl that goes anywhere from $6 or $6.5MM/year to $10+ (which seems insane to me). Will be pretty interesting to see what happens with him. An offer sheet would be pretty awesome to see though.

 
northern exposure said:
Oilers sign Connor McJesus to an 8 year contract extension at $12.5 mill AAV.

:thumbup: Now let's get Leon Draisaitl signed long term.
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Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. 

Oilers have no cap problems thus year - still only 57 mil with 22 players signed.

Next season though they are looking at 52 mil for 12 players. ( Counting McDavid, not counting Draisaitl. )

If Draisaitl signs for say 7, that leaves roughly 18 million for 10 players. And that's assuming Edmonton wants to spend to the cap.

 
JaxBill said:
Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. 

Oilers have no cap problems thus year - still only 57 mil with 22 players signed.

Next season though they are looking at 52 mil for 12 players. ( Counting McDavid, not counting Draisaitl. )

If Draisaitl signs for say 7, that leaves roughly 18 million for 10 players. And that's assuming Edmonton wants to spend to the cap.
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with a brand new arena and McDavid locked up, pretty sure they are a cap team for the forseeable future.

 
Grigorenko off to the KHL.  makes the O'Reilly deal even more lopsided unless Compher ever turns into something because the picks are unlikely.  at least they got Zadorov out of it.

 
Kevin Klein retired this morning, giving the Rangers a bit more cap relief.

They signed Deschardins to a 1 year, $1 million dollar contact to add a cheap speedy center for 4th line duty.  Not too bad.  Leaves them with about $9 million to sign 3 more guys.  Zibanejad is a RFA, but I'm assuming the Rangers will lock him up to a long term contract, and going forward the Rangers should be in a decent cap situation. Of course, they really have no super star scorer and their top 6 is decent, but against most cup contenders, it will be the second best top 6.  But, Nash coming off the books after this year, maybe they go free agent shopping next year for a big fish.  Staal's contract is ugly but not as big looking an anchor with Girardi and Klein gone.  Really hoping that some of their younger guys can make a few steps forward because it doesn't look like Kreider is ever going to reach all-star caliber play, Hayes and Miller are a bunch of meh.  

 
guru_007 said:
Kevin Klein retired this morning, giving the Rangers a bit more cap relief.

They signed Deschardins to a 1 year, $1 million dollar contact to add a cheap speedy center for 4th line duty.  Not too bad.  Leaves them with about $9 million to sign 3 more guys.  Zibanejad is a RFA, but I'm assuming the Rangers will lock him up to a long term contract, and going forward the Rangers should be in a decent cap situation. Of course, they really have no super star scorer and their top 6 is decent, but against most cup contenders, it will be the second best top 6.  But, Nash coming off the books after this year, maybe they go free agent shopping next year for a big fish.  Staal's contract is ugly but not as big looking an anchor with Girardi and Klein gone.  Really hoping that some of their younger guys can make a few steps forward because it doesn't look like Kreider is ever going to reach all-star caliber play, Hayes and Miller are a bunch of meh.  
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The defense is going to be so much better from a generating offense/puck possession standpoint so I'm excited to see how the forward group responds to it. 

I think they'll be happy to hold on to a few million in cap space through the season and then grab a rental around the deadline. They'll carry Staal for one more year, since they can afford to with the cap space this season, and then buy him out to lessen the dead money impact a bit.  

 
Bill Brasky said:
Grigorenko off to the KHL.  makes the O'Reilly deal even more lopsided unless Compher ever turns into something because the picks are unlikely.  at least they got Zadorov out of it.
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Zadorov may head to the KHL too. what a disaster of a trade that will be for the Avs if they lose him.

 
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guru_007 said:
Kevin Klein retired this morning, giving the Rangers a bit more cap relief.

They signed Deschardins to a 1 year, $1 million dollar contact to add a cheap speedy center for 4th line duty.  Not too bad.  Leaves them with about $9 million to sign 3 more guys.  Zibanejad is a RFA, but I'm assuming the Rangers will lock him up to a long term contract, and going forward the Rangers should be in a decent cap situation. Of course, they really have no super star scorer and their top 6 is decent, but against most cup contenders, it will be the second best top 6.  But, Nash coming off the books after this year, maybe they go free agent shopping next year for a big fish.  Staal's contract is ugly but not as big looking an anchor with Girardi and Klein gone.  Really hoping that some of their younger guys can make a few steps forward because it doesn't look like Kreider is ever going to reach all-star caliber play, Hayes and Miller are a bunch of meh.  
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I don't know, they have very few guys locked up on nice deals and the Staal and Lundqvist deals are sizable anchors for the next several years.  plus they are in a big squeeze this year if Vesey were to not suck and hit bonus money.

not sure how they are going to solve their center issue internally and you have to pay up big to acquire or through UFA for quality centers so I don't see how they are out of the woods yet.  that is a giant hole in the rooster.

 
Rangers get help when Nash comes off the books, but they need to extend McDonagh soon and he'll get a decent raise starting in 2019. Plus they have all that dead money from Girardi on the books over the next few years.

Hard to tell who their core is up front. Kreider obviously, and then Zuccarello? Zibanejad? good players but not great and the depth at C is maybe the worst in the NHL. Hope Vesey likes playing without anyone who can get him the puck.

 
Bill Brasky said:
I don't know, they have very few guys locked up on nice deals and the Staal and Lundqvist deals are sizable anchors for the next several years.  plus they are in a big squeeze this year if Vesey were to not suck and hit bonus money.

not sure how they are going to solve their center issue internally and you have to pay up big to acquire or through UFA for quality centers so I don't see how they are out of the woods yet.  that is a giant hole in the rooster.
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This is simple math. Nash is off books next year. Buy out Staal and sign Tavares. As good as done imo. 

And Vesey didnt suck this year. Not sure what you mean. 

 
Vesey gets the criticism from other fans because he rope-a-doped Nashville into thinking he was signing, then burned them. That somehow earned him the scarlet letter. 

Take all the shots you want, I'll take the free 2nd/3rd line forward on an ELC. He's a smart hockey player and his work in the playoffs, especially along the boards, has me optimistic that the rest of his game develops. 

 
AcerFC said:
This is simple math. Nash is off books next year. Buy out Staal and sign Tavares. As good as done imo. 

And Vesey didnt suck this year. Not sure what you mean. 
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Vesey posted 27 points in 80 games, but 11 came in his first 15 games. That means he posted 16 points in 65 games afterwards.

He did add 5 points in 12 playoff games, but I think the point by Brasky was bigger production from him would hurt their cap due to bonus money he could get. His cap hit isn't necessarily static.

 
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Tavares probably going to get McDavid money IMO

also, wonder how quickly the Leafs are going to run into cap issues when Matthews, Marner, and Nylander all sign their next deals.

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
Tavares probably going to get McDavid money IMO

also, wonder how quickly the Leafs are going to run into cap issues when Matthews, Marner, and Nylander all sign their next deals.
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According to capfriendly the Leafs could run into cap trouble after next season. Nylander is in the last year of his ELC next season and Marner and Matthews will only have one year left on their ELCs after next season. For 2018- 2019, the Leafs have 43.5 million tied up in 10 players (5 forwards, 4 DMen and 1 Goalie) and the money they pay on the Kessel deal. 

They probably want to extend the deals for all 3 young players next season, but won't have the cap space to do it. That Marleau contract will bite them in the ###. 

 
northern exposure said:
According to capfriendly the Leafs could run into cap trouble after next season. Nylander is in the last year of his ELC next season and Marner and Matthews will only have one year left on their ELCs after next season. For 2018- 2019, the Leafs have 43.5 million tied up in 10 players (5 forwards, 4 DMen and 1 Goalie) and the money they pay on the Kessel deal. 

They probably want to extend the deals for all 3 young players next season, but won't have the cap space to do it. That Marleau contract will bite them in the ###. 
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I don't see where the Leafs face a cap crunch any time soon. Maybe if Matthews/Marner/Nylander combine for $30M/year but I think they'll be in the 22-25 combined per year range. 18-19 Matthews/Marner are still on ELC, extension would kick in beyond that. 19-20 cap doesn't look bad to me. Horton will be LTIR forever. Marleau contract will be a waste by then but Kadri/Reilly/Zaitsev are all good value and Martin/Hyman are what they are. 

I don't like the Marleau, Hainsey or Hyman deals but they aren't going to impact the Leafs keeping their core together. They could affect resigning one/some of JVR/Bozak/Komorov after this season (if they want to) and Gardiner may cash in for 19-20 but a core group of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Zaitsev, Reilly, Andersen still looks okay to me.

You will likely see a lot of guys on the wings/bottom 6/bottom pairing on ELC's but that's no different than this past season and if they need to at the deadline, they'll just swap one out for the Brian Boyle of that year.

 
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Northern Voice said:
I don't see where the Leafs face a cap crunch any time soon. Maybe if Matthews/Marner/Nylander combine for $30M/year but I think they'll be in the 22-25 combined per year range. 18-19 Matthews/Marner are still on ELC, extension would kick in beyond that. 19-20 cap doesn't look bad to me. Horton will be LTIR forever. Marleau contract will be a waste by then but Kadri/Reilly/Zaitsev are all good value and Martin/Hyman are what they are. 

I don't like the Marleau, Hainsey or Hyman deals but they aren't going to impact the Leafs keeping their core together. They could affect resigning one/some of JVR/Bozak/Komorov after this season (if they want to) and Gardiner may cash in for 19-20 but a core group of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Zaitsev, Reilly, Andersen still looks okay to me.

You will likely see a lot of guys on the wings/bottom 6/bottom pairing on ELC's but that's no different than this past season and if they need to at the deadline, they'll just swap one out for the Brian Boyle of that year.
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I think that you're way low here, personally. Matthews is going to want $ in the McDavid range, and Marner and Nylander will be aiming to be close behind.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Northern Voice said:
I don't see where the Leafs face a cap crunch any time soon. Maybe if Matthews/Marner/Nylander combine for $30M/year but I think they'll be in the 22-25 combined per year range. 18-19 Matthews/Marner are still on ELC, extension would kick in beyond that. 19-20 cap doesn't look bad to me. Horton will be LTIR forever. Marleau contract will be a waste by then but Kadri/Reilly/Zaitsev are all good value and Martin/Hyman are what they are. 

I don't like the Marleau, Hainsey or Hyman deals but they aren't going to impact the Leafs keeping their core together. They could affect resigning one/some of JVR/Bozak/Komorov after this season (if they want to) and Gardiner may cash in for 19-20 but a core group of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Zaitsev, Reilly, Andersen still looks okay to me.

You will likely see a lot of guys on the wings/bottom 6/bottom pairing on ELC's but that's no different than this past season and if they need to at the deadline, they'll just swap one out for the Brian Boyle of that year.
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I think that you're way low here, personally. Matthews is going to want $ in the McDavid range, and Marner and Nylander will be aiming to be close behind.
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There is going to be a nasty strike before all that goes down I'm afraid. These hopscotch deals are picking up way too much speed and the cap is hardly moving. Something is going to have to give.

 
I think Toronto is in a better spot than the Oilers TBH.

I don't think Matthews will garner McDavid money long term.  Only a handful of players would command that.  I agree with NV that they'll combine near 25M year for those three players if the Leafs want to lock them up.  And I mean, they should want to, be they are in no pressing rush as they are under team control and then restricted free agents after that.  

Oilers in 2 years will have $45M committed to 8 players and that is before they decide what to do with Draisaitl. That's a lot of money and that includes a few mid-30s defensemen and early 30's Lucic without a lot of mileage on him.

 
geeze, Rags fan is a bit sensitive about Vesey.  I have no idea what his performance bonuses are but I have to assume they are attainable since he was a heavily courted UFA.  point being, his cap hit could be as much as close to $3MM higher than it currently is if he has a good year which the Rangers would expect (need) his development to progress.  that would be pretty killer for a team that will already be up against it once they get their signings done. 

I like Vesey, but his first year was a disappointment no matter how you slice it for a guy that was NHL ready.  with the giant hole they've created at center they need young guys like him to step up if they want to be competitive. 

 
A friend in Toronto (wayward ditch pig) is telling me that the Hawks are interested in signing Iginla.  I don't see them needing a slow skating wing who can shoot and fight but what do I know.  $1mm is the supposed price.

I was :shock:  to learn his full name:  Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tij Junior Elvis Iginla.

 
chet said:
A friend in Toronto (wayward ditch pig) is telling me that the Hawks are interested in signing Iginla.  I don't see them needing a slow skating wing who can shoot and fight but what do I know.  $1mm is the supposed price.

I was :shock:  to learn his full name:  Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tij Junior Elvis Iginla.
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huh, I always thought his middle name was Jeremy

 
Northern Voice said:
I see them coming in around.

Matthews 9-10/per

Marner 6.5-8 per

Nylander 6.5-8 per
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I can't see salaries going any way but up in the next couple of years. Now teams can't point to the team friendly deals signed by Crosby and some others. McDavid's deal set the top spot  and now the other young guys coming off their ELCs will be looking to cash in. I don't know anything more for sure than you do about where salaries are headed. But, I'd be willing to bet that the length of the contract term for the salaries you are showing above would be 5-6 years. If the Leafs want to get these guys signed to longer term deals and buy some of their UFA eligible years the numbers will have to be higher. As others have said, Draisaitl's deal will be the interesting one because there are a number of players in his tier. It can be argued that McDavid stands alone, but Draisaitl's agent will surely reference his deal when negotiating Leon's new contract with the Oilers.

I have heard a few rumblings that due to the lack of high end UFAs hitting the market, GMs may turn to the offer sheet route to get to the young players before they get locked in to long term deals. That will surely drive up salaries too.

 
:lmao:

 

Tatar has reportedly rejected a five-year, $25 million offer from the Detroit Red Wings.

Tatar is instead looking for a six or seven-year deal in the range of $6 million to $7 million annually. 

 
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