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2017 Raiders - how's the 2018 draft looking? (10 Viewers)

Amari is a gem. 22 years old, fellas.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794184/article/amari-cooper-is-a-nice-lad-who-takes-care-of-his-mama

Amari Cooper is a nice lad who takes care of his mama








 




 







 




 







 




 







  • By Dan Hanzus
  • Published: March 21, 2017 at 12:14 p.m.


There are many perks that come with being rich and famous, but from this writer's perspective, it's hard to top the ability to do your mom a solid.

We presume Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper has a similar opinion. The difference, of course, is that Cooper actually is rich and famous, and thus, can take care of his mama. Which is exactly what he's done according to a recent Instagram post.



This is one scenario where a humblebrag is deemed permissible. Cooper, by the way, is entering the fourth third year of a rookie contract that pays $22.7 million guaranteed. That will buy quite a few McMansions.

I'm workin' on it, Ma!
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Adam Caplan‏Verified account @caplannfl  5h5 hours ago
Joe Mixon continued his pre-draft visits Mon. with #Raiders, source said. I believe this visit isn't part of top-30 as he's from Bay area.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
SHOW ME THE MONEY 
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Brown's new agent made a statement that Raiders weren't out of running, which is good.

Whatever Brown's reasoning for new representation, I don't begrudge him for going after the best deal. He had a good year in a contract year, and is a FA. This is best chance, in his life, to get real money. 

I wonder if his good numbers were a Philip Wheeler special, you know? Best LB on a bad team.

But for this team, he would still be a good addition, we need known quantities. We'll probably wind up with him or Riley, and Ball, James and Heeney back. With Jelani.

Really nothing wrong with that corps going into the draft. 

 
massraider said:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/3/21/15013194/nfl-mock-draft-database-raiders-picks-at-24-post-free-agency

Database of Raider mock picks. Love this.
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Interesting, and will be fun to watch as we approach the draft.  As of right now, for a point in time reference:

Budda Baker x 1
Chidobe Awuzie x 1
Christian McCaffrey x 1
Dalvin Cook x 1
Jabrill Peppers x 1
Jarrad Davis x 2
Malik McDowell x 3
Obi Melifonwu x 1
Quincy Wilson x 1
Zach Cunningham x 3

By Position:
CB x 2 (2 different players)
DT x 3 (1 player)
LB x 5 (2 different players)
RB x 2 (2 different players)
S x 3 (3 different players)

 
krsone21 said:
Scott Bair‏Verified account @BairCSN  18m18 minutes ago
The Raiders announce signing of LB Jelani Jenkins.

There we go our first defensive signing.
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1 year, $1M, with only $100k guaranteed.  Another $1M in incentives.  Bargain basement deal for us.

 
I've decided that I'm definitely going to LA for the first home game of the LA Chargers when they host the Raiders.  

I'm going to wear this hat:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/182495566654

I dunno if I can rent any old Impala with hydraulics, but I will if so.

Geez, those games are gonna look like Raider Coliseum games. They may as well bring out Jim Garner, and play the Blues Brothers after every TD.

 
Some interesting insight about the Zach Brown situation from a Dolphish beat writer. If his take is accurate, many of us, myself included, grossly overvalued Brown's market value at the start of free agency. Sounds like his offers are in the $3-4 MM per year range. At that price, and with a Reggie special contract, I'd gladly welcome Mr. Moneybagg.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article140028413.html

Wednesday Miami Dolphins notes, quotes, and anecdotes




BY ARMANDO SALGUERO asalguero@miamiherald.com




The timing of the Dolphins signing Kiko Alonso to a four-year deal worth $28.8 million on the same day free agent Zach Brown visited and left the team without signing a contract raises an obvious question ...


Does the Alonso contract mean the Dolphins cannot or will not sign Brown?

No. The two are not related. The Dolphins want both players.

The Dolphins didn’t sign Brown, per sources familiar with the visit, because the linebacker and his new representation agency is hoping to get a multi-year deal that pays the player market value for a good NFL linebacker. And even though the linebacker market is depressed this year, that means around $5-$6 million per year on average.

The Dolphins are nowhere in the ballpark. Think $3-$4 million per year.

That means if Brown, who is scheduled to visit Buffalo’s new coaching staff and has garnered interest elsewhere, lowers his expectations, he can circle back to the Dolphins if he wants.

Some nuggets (as Barry Jackson would say) about Brown, Alonso, the Dolphins, and the linebacker situation and other things:

1. Brown, a Pro Bowl selection, is stuck in a market where, again, linebackers are not getting paid.

Indeed, of the top four 4-3 linebacker contracts this offseason, the Dolphins did two of them -- with Alonso, who is going to average $7.2 million per season over the life of his deal through the 2020 season, and with Lawrence Timmons who gets $12 million over two years, meaning a $6 million per year average.

Alonso’s deal falls behind only Dont’a Hightower’s four-year, $35.5 million deal with the Patriots that averages $8.875 million per season. Timmons’s deal of $12 million over two years (team can get out after one year), is tied for third highest 4-3 linebacker deal this offseason with A.J. Klein’s Carolina deal -- or $6 million per season.

Interestingly, Timmons got $11 million totally guaranteed for two years. Klein got $9.4 million totally guaranteed on a four-year deal. So Timmons seems to have gotten a better deal.

This means the Dolphins are spending on linebackers this offseason.

They could not justify adding Brown at another $6 million per season, right?

It’s hard. It really is.

But, um, I would do it.

And I’d do it using a concept known to some of us who do not make millions of dollars per year: It’s called floating.

Look, sometimes you make an online payment on Thursday to avoid a late fee, knowing you don’t have all the funds necessary in your account to cover the payment but also knowing you’re getting paid Friday. So come Friday, the funds pop in via direct deposit, bill is paid. You didn’t get tagged with a late payment fee. All good.

Well, the Dolphins want to pay Brown maybe $3 million on average and he wants, say $6 million. So pay the dude that, add him to the roster now so you’re not committed to drafting a linebacker in the second or third round out of need and hoping the rookie can start right away.

And where are the excess dollars that the Dolphins didn’t budget for Brown coming from? They’re coming in May when Fake GM Mando whacks Koa Misi and gets the ensuing $4.2 million cap savings. Now, the Dolphins are currently not committed to cutting Misi. They’re committed to trimming his salary if he’s healthy and can play.

I am not the Dolphins. I am committed to not having an injury-prone player coming off a neck surgery, for God’s sake, on the roster at any price. Misi would have to pay me to be on my team because I don’t care how professional he is, how good for the locker room he is, what a thumper he is, how cheap he is. I care that his history screams that he’s going to be hurt at some point in 2017 because he was hurt in 2016. And 2015. And 2014.

And ... Nick Saban said past performance is the best predictor of future performance.

Injured guys, you should know, come in for their rehab in the morning and are generally not seen the rest of the day and definitely not on game days. What good is Misi’s locker room cred then?

So I float the cap space from that looming Misi cut that I make -- me, not the Dolphins -- and get Brown.

(By the way, I already got a cease and desist order on writing that I want Misi cut when I wrote it a couple of weeks ago. But I cannot stay silent on this. I plan for his departure the second he’s deemed healthy again in early May. Love him, appreciate his hard work and long service. But bye. Considering him for a pay cut is a waste of time, in my opinion).




2. Now, I don’t want to give the impression I think Zach Brown is the answer to every problem the Dolphins have in their run defense. He is not. But he’s an upgrade.



That is what an offseason is about, no? Making the team better somehow?

Having said that, I feel the need to share that Dolphins running back Jay Ajayi rushed for 200 yards or more three times during the 2016 season.

He did it one time against Pittsburgh.

He did it twice against Buffalo.

Yeah, Zach Brown’s Buffalo.

Just saying.
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massraider said:
I've decided that I'm definitely going to LA for the first home game of the LA Chargers when they host the Raiders.  

I'm going to wear this hat:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/182495566654

I dunno if I can rent any old Impala with hydraulics, but I will if so.

Geez, those games are gonna look like Raider Coliseum games. They may as well bring out Jim Garner, and play the Blues Brothers after every TD.
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This hat is too funny

 
The best part of the "Los Angeles Chargers" is that our almost extra home game turns into a total extra home game. Those games in LA will be all Silver and Black in the stands. All. Likely the only game the Chargers will sell out too. 

 
For those who haven't seen it, this is a great 30:30 doc by Ice Cube about the Raiders and their time in LA.

http://www.espn.com/30for30/film?page=straight-outta-la

Also, a good overview and grade of Raiders FA moves so far. Not much to argue about there.

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/3/23/15041736/raiders-2017-free-agency-report-card

And because I'm old school, and the old school "knock them into next week, read gameplans by the light of the jukebox" Raiders are what kindled the love of this team for me, a memory about The Boomer.

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/3/24/15052762/mean-joe-greene-classic-story-raiders-hall-of-famer-bob-brown-one-player-intimidated-him

Happy Friday! Would like it to be a Reggie Friday and us getting Z. Brown on the cheap.

 
Oakland is not an option. They have no money and no will to do anything. They have done next to nothing to try to come to a deal even on things they could do and made it harder for the Raiders to get a deal by clearly favoring the A's. This last minute proposal is a way to say to the voters "we tried everything we could" to not lose votes come election time. Other than, there is nothing serious about it. 

 
Zach Brown - LB - Free Agent

The Miami Herald's Armando Salguero reports free agent LB Zach Brown has narrowed his list down to the Dolphins and Raiders.

The report suggests his visit with the Bills, who he played for last season, did not go well. Salguero points out neither team has met his asking price to this point, so it is possible another team swoops in with a better offer. Brown would be a great get for either team, especially if it comes at a discounted price.

 
Tough words from Goodell to Oakland...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/25/roger-goodell-sends-ominous-letter-to-oakland-mayor/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

we all know it's not looking good for Oakland keeping the Raiders, and I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that the Raiders will be playing in Vegas in a few years (being from NYC from birth through college, I really don't have an affiliation with Oakland itself. Just The Raiders). 

But, that said, man this quote from that article gets my blood boiling:

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“We have been prepared for nearly two years to work on finding a solution based on access to land at a certain cost, without constraints on the location of the stadium or timing of construction, and clarity on the overall development,” Goodell wrote.

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"Access to land at a certain cost"?!

"without constraints on location or timing of construction"?!?

This is an effing city that has other things to plan and run beyond giving a blank check to a bunch of effing billionaires who want to come in a grab whatever land they want at a cost that they want to name. So freakin' pompous it's maddening. 

How 'bout this...dig into your ridiculously deep pockets, buy a big ol' piece of land on your very own like big boys who own a business, and build your own damn stadium however the hell you want to. 

Grrrr...

 
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joey said:
Tough words from Goodell to Oakland...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/25/roger-goodell-sends-ominous-letter-to-oakland-mayor/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

we all know it's not looking good for Oakland keeping the Raiders, and I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that the Raiders will be playing in Vegas in a few years (being from NYC from birth through college, I really don't have an affiliation with Oakland itself. Just The Raiders). 

But, that said, man this quote from that article gets my blood boiling:

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“We have been prepared for nearly two years to work on finding a solution based on access to land at a certain cost, without constraints on the location of the stadium or timing of construction, and clarity on the overall development,” Goodell wrote.

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"Access to land at a certain cost"?!

"without constraints on location or timing of construction"?!?

This is an effing city that has other things to plan and run beyond giving a blank check to a bunch of effing billionaires who want to come in a grab whatever land they want at a cost that they want to name. So freakin' pompous it's maddening. 

How 'bout this...dig into your ridiculously deep pockets, buy a big ol' piece of land on your very own like big boys who own a business, and build your own damn stadium however the hell you want to. 

Grrrr...
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I'm pretty sure I read that the Raiders and NFL were willing to pay what the land was appraised at. I'm guessing Oakland wanted more then that.

Also the other part you quoted, that is aimed at the whole A's situation. The Raiders and NFL want to build on the Coliseum site and would like to start construction within the next year or two however, the A's have a 10 year lease on the Coliseum site and I can't blame the Raiders or the NFL to not want to wait that long before having to build a new stadium. The league asked Libby if she was willing to terminate the lease with the A's and she said she was not because she doesn't want to lose the A's. Libby prefers the A's over the Raiders.

 
As much as I hate that the Raiders are leaving, I'm 100% on board with Schaaf not bending over for the NFL and Mark Davis. 

There's no way tax payers should make rich guys richer. #### that. 

The Giants and 9ers built privately financed stadiums and soon the Warriors and A's will as well. This is one of the richest areas in the world and the Raiders and NFL are asking tax payers to foot the bill? Again #### that.

I really hope all cities stop giving the NFL money and they have to move each team every 10 years. Let's see how many fans they have after that.

 
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Charlie Harper said:
As much as I hate that the Raiders are leaving, I'm 100% on board with Schaaf not bending over for the NFL and Mark Davis. 

There's no way tax payers should make rich guys richer. #### that. 

The Giants and 9ers built privately financed stadiums and soon the Warriors and A's will as well. This is one of the richest areas in the world and the Raiders and NFL are asking tax payers to foot the bill? Again #### that.

I really hope all cities stop giving the NFL money and they have to move each team every 10 years. Let's see how many fans they have after that.
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From everything I have read all that the Raiders and the NFL was asking for was control of the Coliseum land. They would have purchased it and built the stadium and offset the debt by developing the area. Libby would not budge and sell the land to the Raiders or the NFL. LIbby and those that run the city and county wanted complete control of the land and everything else, leaving very little profit for the Raiders to pay off the debt to build a new stadium. The Raiders were thinking about building what some have dubbed a "boutique stadium" Basically a smaller 55,000 seat stadium that wouldn't have cost the Raiders that much.

The Raiders had an agreement with the previous mayor to purchase the land and build a new stadium but when Libby was voted in as mayor she reneged on the agreement.

 
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Good info. The question I have is were the Raiders/NFL offering fair market value? If yes, then I say that was a serious miscalculation by Libby. I am guessing the jobs and development would offset any future equity the city could have made on the land. 

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Good info. The question I have is were the Raiders/NFL offering fair market value? If yes, then I say that was a serious miscalculation by Libby. I am guessing the jobs and development would offset any future equity the city could have made on the land. 
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Good question Counter. I'm assuming that the would have had the land appraised and pay fair market value but I don't know for sure.

 
krsone21 said:
From everything I have read all that the Raiders and the NFL was asking for was control of the Coliseum land. They would have purchased it and built the stadium and offset the debt by developing the area. Libby would not budge and sell the land to the Raiders or the NFL. LIbby and those that run the city and county wanted complete control of the land and everything else, leaving very little profit for the Raiders to pay off the debt to build a new stadium. The Raiders were thinking about building what some have dubbed a "boutique stadium" Basically a smaller 55,000 seat stadium that wouldn't have cost the Raiders that much.

The Raiders had an agreement with the previous mayor to purchase the land and build a new stadium but when Libby was voted in as mayor she reneged on the agreement.
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Not only did they want to own and lease them the land, but they wanted to develop the rest of it into businesses and office parks to generate more property tax.  This would have taken a lot of space for parking and tailgating, an issue Mark Davis refuses to settle for a crap deal on.  Good for him, no sense building a billion dollar stadium and having people hate trying to get to and from the game.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Zach Brown - LB - Free Agent

The Miami Herald's Armando Salguero reports free agent LB Zach Brown has narrowed his list down to the Dolphins and Raiders.

The report suggests his visit with the Bills, who he played for last season, did not go well. Salguero points out neither team has met his asking price to this point, so it is possible another team swoops in with a better offer. Brown would be a great get for either team, especially if it comes at a discounted price.
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Good to hear, I think Brown would be a great addition to the LB corps and make it not so much an area of need going into the draft. 

 
LawFitz said:
Some interesting insight about the Zach Brown situation from a Dolphish beat writer. If his take is accurate, many of us, myself included, grossly overvalued Brown's market value at the start of free agency. Sounds like his offers are in the $3-4 MM per year range. At that price, and with a Reggie special contract, I'd gladly welcome Mr. Moneybagg.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article140028413.html
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Just a side note observation that the author is still ax grinding against Jay Ajayi with the suggestion that his big games were due to poor LB play of the opposition.

He really doesn't like Jay Ajayi  :D

 
Am I the only one who would love to see the two midgets share ball carrying duties?

Both looked quick and shifty, I have no problem bringing in a big boy, but I'd like to see how it would look if these two got 12 carries each.

 
massraider said:
Am I the only one who would love to see the two midgets share ball carrying duties?

Both looked quick and shifty, I have no problem bringing in a big boy, but I'd like to see how it would look if these two got 12 carries each.
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Totally agree. I'd love to see that as well. Those 2 guys bring an undeniable spark to the running game, especially Richard from what I saw last year. I'm all for remaining cheap skates at the RB position and not spending a pick on RB in the first half of the draft, if not the entire draft. 

 
massraider said:
Am I the only one who would love to see the two midgets share ball carrying duties?

Both looked quick and shifty, I have no problem bringing in a big boy, but I'd like to see how it would look if these two got 12 carries each.
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They looked good in tandem but without a North/South runner (which Richard and Washington are not), I think we would be ceding a lot of down/distance options. Lat wasn't all-world, but he did give us that 3 and fall forward in a cloud of dust aspect, and having the D at least account for potential runs through the tackle helps open up the playbook a little, even if Ds didn't stack the box against Lat.   

 
massraider said:
Am I the only one who would love to see the two midgets share ball carrying duties?

Both looked quick and shifty, I have no problem bringing in a big boy, but I'd like to see how it would look if these two got 12 carries each.
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When Lat was hurt last year the overall running game suffered. Unless one of the two develops into a much stronger and more consistent runner, the team seems to need a grinder compliment to their skills.

 
massraider said:
Am I the only one who would love to see the two midgets share ball carrying duties?

Both looked quick and shifty, I have no problem bringing in a big boy, but I'd like to see how it would look if these two got 12 carries each.
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I think unless the right situation falls in FA or draft for a big back that will be primary or share a lot of the load- I think we can still be potent with the little guys. We would still need to sign a big back for sitionational needs like short yardage/goal line but there is always someone that can fill that role. A low cost option right now would be Blount. I don't see him being a hot commodity but would fit that role nicely. 

 
Chadstroma said:
I think unless the right situation falls in FA or draft for a big back that will be primary or share a lot of the load- I think we can still be potent with the little guys. We would still need to sign a big back for sitionational needs like short yardage/goal line but there is always someone that can fill that role. A low cost option right now would be Blount. I don't see him being a hot commodity but would fit that role nicely. 
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i mentioned him earlier and nobody seems interested...but i think he`s a great cheap option seeing we have the other 2 already

 
"Cheap" is the driving factor for me. Unless we get an uber-stud RB that's a game changer like Zeke, go cheap at that position and spend on D. 

 
I would love Blount but I think Lynch ends up filling that role.  We don't even need him to be a good runner, just someone that can read a hole and get skinny for 2 yards when we need it.  100 carries a year is all we really need, and anything beyond that is free.

 
Hankmoody said:
just someone that can read a hole and get skinny for 2 yards when we need it. 
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Agree with your sentiment. This just struck me as it is definitely not Lynch's MO, as opposed to squaring up, looking for contact, and driving defenders back or making them haul you down while you churn through them. He can definitely read holes, which is a big part of his own success in SEA under Cable's ZBS, and has a split-leg style that aids him sliding and hopping through space, but he is at his heart an instinct runner who would rather bull ahead than dance. Skinny through the hole is more like Washington and Richard and their ability to hide behind lineman before slashing through a hole.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Agree with your sentiment. This just struck me as it is definitely not Lynch's MO, as opposed to squaring up, looking for contact, and driving defenders back or making them haul you down while you churn through them. He can definitely read holes, which is a big part of his own success in SEA under Cable's ZBS, and has a split-leg style that aids him sliding and hopping through space, but he is at his heart an instinct runner who would rather bull ahead than dance. Skinny through the hole is more like Washington and Richard and their ability to hide behind lineman before slashing through a hole.
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You need to watch the other 17 carries a game Lynch used to get.  His footwork early in runs is special.  Sure, once he gets to the point he can't avoid you he'll drive it home, but go watch him and see how often the other guy got a clean shot on him.  It never happened.  He was always shifting, sliding, turning, and guys just glanced off of him - that's why he was always the hammer, because he never showed the defender a broad side to hit.

 
Hankmoody said:
You need to watch the other 17 carries a game Lynch used to get.  His footwork early in runs is special.  Sure, once he gets to the point he can't avoid you he'll drive it home, but go watch him and see how often the other guy got a clean shot on him.  It never happened.  He was always shifting, sliding, turning, and guys just glanced off of him - that's why he was always the hammer, because he never showed the defender a broad side to hit.
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Having been in the Seattle area for the last decade, pretty confident I've seen all of what Marshawn's game has to offer.

You seem to imply that I am ignoring other aspects in Lynch's game. No one runner has a single style (OK, maybe Ron Dayne or the TD Machine Zack Crockett -- remember him?) and I pointed out in my post Marshawn's ability to be elusive and slalom through and past defenders with that split-leg style -- as well as the fact that his game really did develop more subtlety starting with Cable and the ZBS scheme. 

But would be hard pressed to think of Marshawn as a back in the mode of LeVeon Bell or Sproles who have amazing footwork and footspeed. Lynch looks for contact more than tries to get around it, and because of his strength and power, you more often see him break and run through arm tackles than juke or cut around defenders. This is what stands out in my mind the most about his style -- you see him constantly break through tackles, getting into the open field after having a guy or two drape over his legs (as opposed to causing guys to whiff on contact).

Can he be elusive? Sure. But if we're talking running style, Marshawn's is more streetfight than ballet.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
i mentioned him earlier and nobody seems interested...but i think he`s a great cheap option seeing we have the other 2 already
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Yea, he isn't anyone that I want us to go out and get now. I am all for sniffing out the old guys and seeing if they hold value and willing to not get paid like they use to and failing that going into the draft looking for a bigger back who falls to us in 3rd or 4th or taking a chance on a guy we like 5-7th. If none of that works, then yea, sign Blount and use him for the short yardage/goal line stuff and give most carries split to Washington and Richard. 

 
CGRdrJoe said:
so for the next year will they be called the Las Vegas Raiders of Oakland?
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They are going to play in Oakland for the next two years. So, they will be Oakland Raiders for sure. Third year is up in the air right now where they will play. If they have to leave Oakland and play somewhere else (Where? LV does not have an option. The UNLV stadium is a small mess) that is where they will likely shed the Oakland and adopt LV.

 
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