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The new deal is an extension. No idea how much of that would hit this year as guaranteed money, but I would imagine that Carr would want to structure as much as possible being paid in a few years as there is no income tax in Nevada versus the high taxes of CA.
Yeah. This deal could look pretty cheap within just a few months
That's just not true. Neither Cam Newton nor Matt Ryan became the highest paid when they signed their extensions.
He won't stay the highest paid for long and maybe the Raiders wanted to lock their guy up and not create a Kirk Cousins situation. With the increase in the salary cap, I don't think this contract is out of line moving forward.
True.
couldn't.
Rodgers is re-doing his deal after/during this season. I would expect this to be a benchmark for his deal. A lot of QBs are signing their deals- which should surpass this one- and, I agree, I'd take very few of them over Carr
You're probably way off, but only because they haven't announced the contract details yet. They announced 40 million guaranteed. A lot of this is probably in a signing bonus, which are paid out over the life of the contract. His original contract for this year was for $1.1 million. They could have structured the deal to be anywhere from the 1.1 number all the way to 32. Usually teams will try and backload contracts because then the cap will be higher, and if the player is cut after the guaranteed money has run out then the team has no liability. His cap hit for this year is probably somewhere in the middle, like $16-20 million. Gives them room to work with other players, or if there's an injury room to sign other players.
Winston might join that list this year as might Mariota. (edit, cuz math / Winston probably throws more than 7 INT)
exactly. Fully expect Winston and Mariota to at least approach the contract if not exceed it. Heck, Kirk Cousins might.
you caught me before the edit. You're right, I misread his current total INT.
For a franchise that has been looking for exactly what is bolded since before I can even remember... (maybe Gannon???) this is huge. They hit on Carr and they could not afford to let him get away. Whatever it costed them, it was worth it. This is a great deal for the Raiders.
Honest question -- which young QB do you think is better?
And this. Carr passes every single eye test in a way other QBs haven't to me. His technique is great, he's super-poised under pressure, he can make all the throws, from downfield bombs to soft touch leads, all with pinpoint accuracy. His work ethic is incomparable, and it's obvious he's an extraordinary leader. There is a valid point that he doesn't have the same resume as, say, Rodgers or other QBs he's just passed on the highest paid list -- but this amount isn't based on the past it's on the future. And there is zero doubt in my mind, having watched Carr play for the last few seasons, that what you see isn't an anomaly, and that his success will only continue.
I didn't say he was the 5th best.
My statement doesn't imply that any QB is necessarily better. Just that I'm putting them in a group in which Carr easily belongs.
Lets not forget the Raiders WRs led the league in drops. His comp % should be better than it was...
I can guarantee they didn't. Maybe they said that to Derek... but they definitely did not say that to David.
This is a win-win now that will look like even more of a win-win as Cousins, Stafford, et al sign new contracts.
Right! And just wait until it's time to negotiate Mack's deal. That will be another record-breaker.
No one will question that contract. For one thing, Mack is a better defender than Carr is a QB, he's DPOY. For another, you still have Carr backlash. I cannot fathom another reason. This isn't just a Carr thing, it happens to other players every single year. We do it in fantasy football, for pete's sake. It's natural. You think a certain thing about a person, and don't like getting proven wrong, and look for anything to confirm your bias.Bruno2 said:
Agree 100%. That's why I said a while back, "its a great day in the Raider Nation, I don't care what anyone outside the organization thinks." Because most "experts" don't know sheet anyway. Johnny Manziel, Gabbert, Ponder, Losman, the list goes on and on. Carr has proven to me he could have gone first overall. And who knows where Carr could have taken the team in 2016 if he didn't break his leg. And for that reason Derek is worth every penny because without him the team collapsed. He earned this deal not only for what he's done on the field, but also for what he does off and for his leadership and intangibles.No one will question that contract. For one thing, Mack is a better defender than Carr is a QB, he's DPOY. For another, you still have Carr backlash. I cannot fathom another reason. This isn't just a Carr thing, it happens to other players every single year. We do it in fantasy football, for pete's sake. It's natural. You think a certain thing about a person, and don't like getting proven wrong, and look for anything to confirm your bias.
You think Todd McShay is rooting for Derek Carr? Of course not. Todd McShay stood his ground, planted a flag in the ground that said 'Derek Carr isn't a top QB prospect'. (Kiper loves throwing this in McShay's face, if you listen to their podcast) And he was not a alone. Pro Football Focus know-it-all jagoffs. Anyone that has the phrase 'Derek Carr' and 'USC game' prominently in their history is going to twist themselves into a pretzel to explain why he's not as good as this guy, or like guys like Cian Fahey, will boldly proclaim that he's not on Aaron Rodgers level--yet. Effing YPA stat, can they just rename this the Derek Carr stat? That would be a nice tribute. Any draft guy that liked to have hot takes, you can find them saying nasty sheet about Carr before the draft, during his rookie year (playing with a terrible, terrible team), and after this extension.
Andrew Luck's extension was the right thing to do, and so was Carr's. But no one questions anything about Luck, because everyone loved him coming out of college, and in fact, people talked him up so much, their confirmation bias is tilted the other way.
Meantime, did you know that Andrew Luck has never thrown for as few INTs as Carr had in 2016? Did you know Luck has never thrown for as high a completion percentage as Carr in 2016? Did you know Luck has two seasons, out of five, where his rating was above 90? Carr has the same number in three seasons. I didn't know that till I looked it up, because I didn't have people on Twitter or ESPN telling me that. Because they aren't interested in comparing the players that got the most recent big money extensions.
It seems like Carr's contract details have come out.
What's pretty great is that because this deal was done before the start of his 4th year, the team gets to spread out his money over an extra year. Carr signs a 5 year, 25 mill a year deal, that was the headline. And yet he only has one year above 25 mill in cap hit. This upcoming season, when the team had 30 mill in cap space, we get to park 17 mill in cap hit for Carr, which lowers his cap hit over the next five years. Consider:
Andrew Luck's cap hits in years 2018/19/20: 24.4, 27.5, 28.4.
Derek Carr's cap hits in 2018/19/20: 25, 22.6, 22.6.
Man, you know how cheap Carr's deal gonna look in 19/20? Get this: We have him for two years after that, at cap hits of 22.6 in 2021, and 18.2 in 2022.
By 2021, we're gonna be talking about extending Carr, and trying to lock him up for 31 mill a year.
He was on Good Morning Football and confirmed he wants to come back and play and has been given the medical ok. The only thing that has to be done now is him picking a team and getting that teams doctor to sign off on it.
Sounds about right. I think low end will be $40 million as a floor with $45 the ceiling over 5 years.
I think that's a big part of why Carr's original contract only calls for $40M guaranteed, with more guaranteeing later, to help with the cash flow. At his press conference Carr mentioned multiple times he asked Reggie "is this going to hurt us signing other guys" so there was a lot of maneuvering done.
