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2018 NCAA Tournament/Shtick Thread: TBS cameraman focused on crying kid who just happens to be up too late (2 Viewers)

Doctor Detroit said:
Love all the upsets and stuff but it was really nice to watch this well played game between two really good teams. 
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Sometimes we assume a game is well played because of the uniforms they are wearing.

Duke's defense was pathetic in this game.  Wide open 3's for Kansas all night long with minimal effort, including when they had a 3 point lead with under 20 seconds to go and inexplicably left several good three point shooters wide open to shoot uncontested 3's.  Then with two unstoppable big men they swallowed their timeout and let Grayson Allen pathetically juke around and throw up an off balance shot while Bagley/Carter stood still.

 
Congrats Kansas fans. Hell of an effort. Block/charge was a HUGE call, but over the course of 45 minutes, KU executed much better. Well deserved

Giving up that open look to Svi late was inexcusable. Should have went man to avoid giving up the open 3. And as usual, Allen forgot about everyone else on the team late in the game. Incredible title game his freshman year, awesome sophomore season, pretty much terrible the last 2.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Sometimes we assume a game is well played because of the uniforms they are wearing.

Duke's defense was pathetic in this game.  Wide open 3's for Kansas all night long with minimal effort, including when they had a 3 point lead with under 20 seconds to go and inexplicably left several good three point shooters wide open to shoot uncontested 3's.  Then with two unstoppable big men they swallowed their timeout and let Grayson Allen pathetically juke around and throw up an off balance shot while Bagley/Carter stood still.
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Duke's zone was definitely weak, and on offense their shot allocation was all KU could've asked for. Their big guys, both future top-10 picks, took 9 shots apiece while the guards took 13, 16, and 18. Against a team that defends the perimeter well and is weaker inside.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Sometimes we assume a game is well played because of the uniforms they are wearing.

Duke's defense was pathetic in this game.  Wide open 3's for Kansas all night long with minimal effort, including when they had a 3 point lead with under 20 seconds to go and inexplicably left several good three point shooters wide open to shoot uncontested 3's.  Then with two unstoppable big men they swallowed their timeout and let Grayson Allen pathetically juke around and throw up an off balance shot while Bagley/Carter stood still.
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Fwiw, Wasn't carter fouled out at that point?

it did seem odd and panicky.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
Sometimes we assume a game is well played because of the uniforms they are wearing.

Duke's defense was pathetic in this game.  Wide open 3's for Kansas all night long with minimal effort, including when they had a 3 point lead with under 20 seconds to go and inexplicably left several good three point shooters wide open to shoot uncontested 3's.  Then with two unstoppable big men they swallowed their timeout and let Grayson Allen pathetically juke around and throw up an off balance shot while Bagley/Carter stood still.
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Yeah, with 20+ seconds left, it shouldn't be difficult to figure out their best shot at a W is to find Bagley in the post when they just need a single point.  That was painful to watch Allen in that spot.

 
Bizarre that THIS is the team Self gets to the final four with again. They’ve been loaded the past ten years so many times. Been painful at times watching them play with four guards. 

Billy Preston could have been such a difference maker...

 
Hooper31 said:
Bizarre that THIS is the team Self gets to the final four with again. They’ve been loaded the past ten years so many times. Been painful at times watching them play with four guards. 

Billy Preston could have been such a difference maker...
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Yep. Probably his least talented group. But maybe that's the key?

 
Hooper31 said:
Bizarre that THIS is the team Self gets to the final four with again. They’ve been loaded the past ten years so many times. Been painful at times watching them play with four guards. 

Billy Preston could have been such a difference maker...
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Watching the ill-advised early threes the new offense has wrought sting a little.  But IMO it doesn’t hurt as much as some of the old Flex plays where they would reverse the ball three times and then look to see if Ellis has established inside position on his man.  

It’s a bummer Preston didn’t get cleared.  However, the backup plan of De Sousa graduating from high school in December and joining the team in January worked out pretty well today.

 
My wife said if a player fouls out in regulation that they should be able to come back if it goes to OT with one foul to give.  I laughed at her..but then though well??

 
Hooper31 said:
Certainly not the deepest. Anyone else just about have a panic attack thinking Lightfoot was coming in late when Doke went out and DeSousa might have been hurt? 
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I was so wrapped up in the moment, I didn’t notice until halftime that Lightfoot hadn’t played and was probably on his way to a DNP-CD.  Thought maybe he would play a couple possessions to give Svi a break in the second half, but then I realized that’s a move Self makes in December, not March. 

 
I have no dog in the race, but going Kansas v. Michigan in the final. I think Nova gets upended on Saturday. Kansas playing with a lot of swagger that often derails the predestined favorites like Nova.

 
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Wins by Conference, Rounds of 64, 32, 16, and 8:

Big XII - 12 (Kansas (4), K-State (3), Texas Tech (3), West Virginia (2) )
Atlantic Coast - 11 (Clemson (2), Duke (3), Florida State (3), UNC, Syracuse (2) )
Big Ten - 8 (Michigan (4), Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue (2) )
Southeastern - 8 (Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Kentucky (2), Tennessee, Texas A&M (2) )
Big East - 7 (Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova (4), Xavier)
Missouri Valley - 4 (Loyola-Chicago (4) )
American Athletic - 2 (Cincinnati, Houston)
Mountain West - 2 (Nevada (2) )
West Coast -2 (Gonzaga (2) )
America East - 1 (UMBC)
Atlantic 10 - 1 (Rhode Island)
Conference USA - 1 (Marshall)
Mid-American - 1 (Buffalo)
Pac-12 - 0 (Conference Of Champions)

 
I have seen much of the credit to Michigan's significant defensive improvement this year given to Assistant Coach Luke Yaklich, who is in his first year at Michigan.  The previous 3 or 4 years, he was an assistant at Illinois State, which, in his last year there last year, was in the top 10 in the nation in defense and got jobbed out of an NCAA at-large.  He will be well-versed in what Loyola does.  Loyola plays such a solid, fundamentally strong style of basketball that I think they'll be in a game even against a more talented, more athletic opponent, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them struggle offensively against Michigan's defense.  I'm an Illinois State guy, so I haven't been able to cheer on my team in the tournament since 1998, but I've been behind fellow MVC Loyola.  They're a lot more palatable to root for in the tournament than dickbag Gregg Marshall and Wichita State have been the last few years.  

 
Since hiring Self, Kansas is 16-5 against the other Blue Bloods.  And on winning streaks against all four: four in a row against UCLA, three straight against Kentucky and Duke, 3-0 against UNC.  
Stuff like that and 14 straight conference titles doesn't mean much to casual fans, but to a program that puts the name of the inventor of the sport on its court and the name of the guy who got the sport into the Olympics on the fieldhouse, it means a lot.  

 
Jayrod said:
I'm a fan of Duke and NOT a fan of Kansas, but it is still fun to watch teams celebrate like that.
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There aren't many times when Self reveals he feels the pressure and expectations of running the program.  Fair or unfair, he got some heat for delivering zero Final Fours from the monster Wiggins/Embiid/Selden/Greene/Frankamp/Mason recruiting class.  He needed a Final Four run to get some naysayers off his ###.  You can see it early in this thread with all the "KU always chokes" and a few users seriously discussing Penn beating KU in the first round. 

I liked how Self made it clear all reasonable expectations have been met.  They won the Big XII regular season, Big XII Tournament, and are in the Final Four.  No pressure next weekend, just go play your best for yourselves and each other.  

Didn't drive out for the welcome rally in Lawrence.  When the team got back to campus 11:00ish, there were several thousand waiting for them in the stands at the Phog.  Team popped in for some cheers, show off the trophy and some freshly-cut nets, led the crowd in a "GET YOUR FOURS UP!" chant like they did on the postgame stage in Omaha.   

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Since hiring Self, Kansas is 16-5 against the other Blue Bloods.  And on winning streaks against all four: four in a row against UCLA, three straight against Kentucky and Duke, 3-0 against UNC.  
Stuff like that and 14 straight conference titles doesn't mean much to casual fans, but to a program that puts the name of the inventor of the sport on its court and the name of the guy who got the sport into the Olympics on the fieldhouse, it means a lot.  
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I can't believe they don't get more love fo the 14 straight championships especially in a major conference. I think it is as astounding an achievemnet as there has maybe ever been in team sports. 

 
Jackstraw said:
I can't believe they don't get more love fo the 14 straight championships especially in a major conference. I think it is as astounding an achievemnet as there has maybe ever been in team sports. 
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Just to be contrary, it's not like the rest of the BIg 12 are on their level. It's like people saying the 50s were baseball's golden age when only the Yankees (8) and Indians (2) won AL pennants between '49--58.

 
Tom Servo said:
Just to be contrary, it's not like the rest of the BIg 12 are on their level. It's like people saying the 50s were baseball's golden age when only the Yankees (8) and Indians (2) won AL pennants between '49--58.
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I guess. Come in here an mix it up with Texas, Baylor, Ok State, TCU, Iowa State, K State, Missouri, OU etc and be better than everyone of them for fifteen years without fail and come talk to me. 

 
Tom Servo said:
Just to be contrary, it's not like the rest of the BIg 12 are on their level. It's like people saying the 50s were baseball's golden age when only the Yankees (8) and Indians (2) won AL pennants between '49--58.
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Yup. Only one other Final Four team during that run: Oklahoma (2016, RIP).

Still pretty impressive not to have even one down year, though.  You'd expect them to win at least 11 or 12 of those titles just based on their obvious recruiting advantages over a consistently weak conference because of visibility and tradition. But the other elite teams have each had one or two stinkers during that time due to fluctuations with draft departures and whatnot. Duke 2007, UNC 2010, Kentucky 2013. Nothing like that for Kansas.

 
Jackstraw said:
I guess. Come in here an mix it up with Texas, Baylor, Ok State, TCU, Iowa State, K State, Missouri, OU etc and be better than everyone of them for fifteen years without fail and come talk to me. 
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I see your point; I tend to be resistant to instant nostalgia. However, thinking it over convinces me you're most likely right.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yup. Only one other Final Four team during that run: Oklahoma (2016, RIP)..
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Easy and convenient measure.  But another version of you would be in here criticizing using postseason success as a measure of conference strength faster than you can type "arbitrary" or "sample size".  Was the Big XII not that good this season because Kansas was the only Big XII school to make the Final Four?  Or are the four teams in the Sweet 16 an indicator that the conference was really deep?  

There's been a bunch of 2- and 3-seeds in the Big XII during Kansas's streak.  Five different schools made the Elite 8.  Texas had a three-year run with players like LaMarcus Aldridge, DJ Augustin, and one season of Kevin Durant.  Didn't win the conference, but two 2-seeds and 2 Elite 8 appearances.  Is Kansas supposed to apologize because they were better than a team with Kevin Durant?  Oklahoma had a Blake Griffin team that was 25-1 when Griffin got a concussion.  Was that OU team not any good because they only got to the Elite 8 with the #1 player in the draft concussed?  Mizzou's last Big XII team spent most of the season ranked top 10, got as high as #2, and there was some head-scratching when they got a 2-seed instead of a 1.  Not Kansas's fault they lost in the first round of the NCAAs, just like it's not UNC's fault when Duke loses to a 14- or 15-seed.
  

TobiasFunke said:
Yup. Only one other Final Four team during that run: Oklahoma (2016, RIP).

Still pretty impressive not to have even one down year, though.  You'd expect them to win at least 11 or 12 of those titles just based on their obvious recruiting advantages over a consistently weak conference because of visibility and tradition. But the other elite teams have each had one or two stinkers during that time due to fluctuations with draft departures and whatnot. Duke 2007, UNC 2010, Kentucky 2013. Nothing like that for Kansas.
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Another version of you would come in here asking how you arrived at "consistently weak conference" because there isn't a set of numbers that supports that claim.

Since Self got the program in his image will a roster of all of his recruits in the 2007 season, Kansas has been a 1- or 2-seed 11 times.  Their only miss was in 2009, coming off a national title where they replaced all five starters and plunged all the way down to the 3-seed line, still winning the conference with a Mizzou team that got a 3-seed and went to the Elite 8 and an Oklahoma team with future #1 overall pick and national POY Blake Griffin that got a 2-seed and went to the Elite 8. 

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Since hiring Self, Kansas is 16-5 against the other Blue Bloods.  And on winning streaks against all four: four in a row against UCLA, three straight against Kentucky and Duke, 3-0 against UNC.  
Stuff like that and 14 straight conference titles doesn't mean much to casual fans, but to a program that puts the name of the inventor of the sport on its court and the name of the guy who got the sport into the Olympics on the fieldhouse, it means a lot.  
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The Atlanta Braves of the men's D1 basketball.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Easy and convenient measure.  But another version of you would be in here criticizing using postseason success as a measure of conference strength faster than you can type "arbitrary" or "sample size".  Was the Big XII not that good this season because Kansas was the only Big XII school to make the Final Four?  Or are the four teams in the Sweet 16 an indicator that the conference was really deep?  

There's been a bunch of 2- and 3-seeds in the Big XII during Kansas's streak.  Five different schools made the Elite 8.  Texas had a three-year run with players like LaMarcus Aldridge, DJ Augustin, and one season of Kevin Durant.  Didn't win the conference, but two 2-seeds and 2 Elite 8 appearances.  Is Kansas supposed to apologize because they were better than a team with Kevin Durant?  Oklahoma had a Blake Griffin team that was 25-1 when Griffin got a concussion.  Was that OU team not any good because they only got to the Elite 8 with the #1 player in the draft concussed?  Mizzou's last Big XII team spent most of the season ranked top 10, got as high as #2, and there was some head-scratching when they got a 2-seed instead of a 1.  Not Kansas's fault they lost in the first round of the NCAAs, just like it's not UNC's fault when Duke loses to a 14- or 15-seed.
  

Another version of you would come in here asking how you arrived at "consistently weak conference" because there isn't a set of numbers that supports that claim.

Since Self got the program in his image will a roster of all of his recruits in the 2007 season, Kansas has been a 1- or 2-seed 11 times.  Their only miss was in 2009, coming off a national title where they replaced all five starters and plunged all the way down to the 3-seed line, still winning the conference with a Mizzou team that got a 3-seed and went to the Elite 8 and an Oklahoma team with future #1 overall pick and national POY Blake Griffin that got a 2-seed and went to the Elite 8. 
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I don't think 14 years' worth of tournaments with an average of maybe 6-8 teams per season is necessarily all that small of a sample size. Over one season, sure, but not over 14 seasons. Obviously it's still not perfect, but the fact is that the bulk of inter-conference clashes among quality teams playing at full strength happen in the postseason, so that's the best data we've got. And the best data we've got suggests that the Big XII is a pretty weak major conference. I mean do you really think they'd pull off that run in any other major conference? OK, maybe the PAC-12 ;)

And I'm not sure the examples you cite help your cause. After all it looks like KU only kept its streak going in 2009 because of a Griffin concussion, which kinda makes it less impressive, not more. And while it's true that it's not KU's fault that Missouri's one apparent contender-caliber team lost just like it's not UNC's fault when a good Duke team loses, Duke's first round choke jobs are preceded by and follow Final Fours and national titles. Just more evidence that while the tournament is a way too small sample size over one year, having only one other Final Four team and a handful of non-KU Elite 8 teams over those 14 seasons is relevant data.

Anyway, like I said it's still ridiculously impressive. It's just that to me the most impressive thing isn't so much the great teams they bested on the way. It's the fact that they never ever had a down year. Both sides of that are improbable, but to me the latter is the really crazy part.

Congrats, by the way. Amazing job by Self this year, gotta be his best effort yet.

 
You wanna know how ####ed this tournament has been?  RPI, the stat that everyone loves to hate, and the one that historically performs the worst, is currently the best metric to have used to fill out a bracket, over all the kenpoms, sagarins, 538s, etc.  If you had filled out a bracket using only RPI as your determining factor for each game, you'd be sitting in the 95th percentile in ESPN's bracket challenge right now and probably winning your pool.  

I'm going to assume this is just the "Broken Clock" principle in effect.  

 
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