Bill Brasky
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also, I would strongly disagree that the Blues have not been a tough physical team in the past. that has largely been their identity going back for a while.
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Pretty sure the Blues under Hitchcock hit hard and often
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yeah, but not like they did in this postseason. You could argue they went over the line with a few hits, but it's hockey and hockey is a physical sport. Nasty hits are gonna happen sometimes. Maybe it is just more obvious now since this team won and those others did not, but it just feels like a different attitude and mentality with Berube.
ItsOnlytheRiver
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I think Binnington was probably the biggest reason for the turn around no doubt, but he also had it very easy compared to Allen. In January the team found its defensive structure and didn’t give up many high danger chances after that. Whether you want to attribute that to coaching or the skill players finding their game is up to you because I have no clue. Probably a combination of both.
I think what Berube should get credit for is never letting the team break. There were so many moments this post season that blues teams of yore would have thrown in the towel and this team always bounced back (especially Binnington). And I doubted them every time because it’s been ingrained in my mind that the heart break was coming.
I think what Berube should get credit for is never letting the team break. There were so many moments this post season that blues teams of yore would have thrown in the towel and this team always bounced back (especially Binnington). And I doubted them every time because it’s been ingrained in my mind that the heart break was coming.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
true, they for sure got better. though the difference the goaltending made versus how the defense played was far more important.
Yeo: xGA/60 2.34 vs GA/60 2.87 (+0.53 goals against/60 difference)
Berube before Binny: 2.11 vs 3.01 (+0.90/60)
Binnington Era: 1.90 vs 1.61 (-0.29/60)
Binnington was saving pucks well above the rate of the difficulty he was facing while the goaltending before him was putting immense pressure on an already respectable defense even before the improvement
IC FBGCav
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Excellent point regarding Berube. Case in point was the hand pass loss to San Jose. While we fans were outraged, he obviously told the team, "It's over and done with, let's move on," and they listened, rather than dwelling on it and letting it get in their heads.
As for Allen and Binnington, the team itself just seemed way more confident on the ice with Binnington in net. When Allen played the occasional game the last few months of the season, there were times where you could almost tell the team didn't play with as much confidence due to him being the netminder that night.
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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Love the players walking so much of the parade route and interacting with the fans
Anybody go to the parade?
Anybody go to the parade?
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Very sad I can't be down there.
JaxBill
Footballguy
@cjzero: Brett Hull is absolutely wrecked, wants fans to chant "We Went Blues" instead of "Let's Go Blues" and the TV crew is amused https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1139975299121258497/video/1
Bob Sacamano
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
The Hull memes are out of control. Like, "Wanna have some AlcoHull?" And people are saying, let's go to the bar, have a few beers and get Brett Hulled.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Except, you can't bang that hard all regular season and expect to be close to healthy for the post season. The Blues upped their physicality dramatically in the playoffs. They had 19.7 H/G in the regular season and jumped to over 31 H/G in the post season. That falls entirely on Berube. He changed the style of play from the regular season to the post season.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
the point was that it was the same team playing the same style. every team ramps it up in postseason. it's not like Berube reinvented the wheel here. in 2016/17 under Yeo they went from 20.6 hits per game in the regular season to 27.0 in the playoffs. would have been the same this season had he still been behind the bench.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Except that they had essentially quit on Yeo. I doubt they would've thrown themselves at the other team for Yeo.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
That doesn't seem to jive with this:
That and he would've never gotten them to the playoffs so I doubt their hits would've ever gone up except hits with a club and a golf ball in the offseason.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
the Blues identity isn't a product of Berube or Yeo and the fact that they are more physical in the playoffs is neither revolutionary or unique to them. I didn't make any statement about Yeo getting them to the playoffs, only that if he was behind the bench they would have been more significantly more physical in the postseason relative to the regular season which was exactly the case two years ago. my point, which I thought was quite clear, is that Binnington was the clear difference in this team and the perceived disparity between Berube and Yeo is ridiculous hyperbole.
I think the goalie change was the primary driver, but I'm sure Berube played a role as well. Seems like he's the type of guy players rally around while Yeo is more of a systems guy.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
I don't doubt that at all. like I said originally, Berube deserves plenty of credit.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
You say this right after saying this:
Seriously, pick one or the other.
The team quit on Yeo. Wouldn't buy into his system. The team came together as a group and bought into that system before Binnington was called up. Had they not done that, they would not be where they are now. There are countless stories in the local media about how players would not do what Yeo wanted them to do and initially would not listen to Berube either, but eventually bought in, and in a few weeks after that, Binnington came up.
The kid played great for a rookie, most importantly, not losing a second game in a row very often, but without the team playing the coach's system, that wouldn't have been enough.
One coach lost the team, one brought them together as a team. That's not hyperbole, ridiculous or otherwise.
how did Berube's system differ from what Yeo was trying to do?
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
I don't have the X's and O's of the system, just that ROR was pretty much the only one who kept playing for Yeo, or the team or himself, or whatever, when everyone else had quit. There were even fist fights between players in practice the clubhouse was so toxic. I remember one article about how when Schenn bought in, that was the first real domino that set the entire team to buy in.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Here's an article about Berube turning the team around. It's fluff but it was from March well before any notion of a SC coming to St. Louis
Another March fluff piece with a few nuggets about what caused some division in the locker room.
Here's something from February that has some meat on the bone. The scoring chances can't be attributed to Binnington and the turn around is miraculous.
Another March fluff piece with a few nuggets about what caused some division in the locker room.
Here's something from February that has some meat on the bone. The scoring chances can't be attributed to Binnington and the turn around is miraculous.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
never mind. I'm glad Berube slow played his genius for a quarter of the season to make it such a great story.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Or maybe it took a little bit for the team to buy in
I'm glad Berube slow played his genius for a quarter of the season to make it such a great story.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
you door one people are too much
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