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i still believe that the NFL was trying to cover everything up. too many, or the the wrong people, saw the emails, and then they were leaked.
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2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (5 Viewers)
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Footballguy
This is much more believable than the idea that the NFL has some vendetta against the Raiders. The leaked Gruden emails are viewed by some as a smear on the entire league and validation of league-wide jock mentality. That does not please advertiser. The NFL had a lot of motivation to keep these emails private.
Chaka
Footballguy
The League knows who has access to those emails. Unless/until someone gets fired for leaking the info, the only logical conclusion is the leaks had the League's blessing.
Just my humble opinion, the NFL would love nothing more than to see Davis sell the team and try to find a minority group to buy in. That way they will seem more inclusive to the media and other outsiders. More along the lines as to how the NBA ownership has shifted.
It's all a big ploy, it may not happen tomorrow, but I see it happening in the not so distant future.
It's all a big ploy, it may not happen tomorrow, but I see it happening in the not so distant future.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The NFL is going to have to do more than get rid of a coach in order to get a team to sell. Getting rid of Gruden actually helps the Raiders. It gets Davis get out of a horrible HC contract and the Raiders could have some good drafts and be a good football team in 2-3 years.
If the NFL wants to replace a current owner with a minority group, it seems the WFT should have been the target. Maybe that was the plan but it didnt work out.
Like someone mentioned before, I feel like the NFL is undermining Davis, trying to frustrate him. Hoping he'll eventually just take the money and walk away someday. Just the feeling I get.
ICON211
Footballguy
I also had the thought that the next move would be for the league to try to get Mark to sell the team. I was thinking along the lines of using the Gruden emails to then open an investigation into the Raiders and if they found anything remotely unseemly trying to force Mark to sell.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah. It was weird but when Denver scored early in the fourth my first thought wasn't "Here we go
".I don't know why.
Maybe Bisacchia (or however you spell it) can lead men that only know about him through message boards.
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joey
Footballguy
VERY satisfying win. Dominant on both sides of the ball from beginning to end. Except for a couple of 3rd and longs that the Broncos made in the first half ("here we go again" moments) this game felt in hand and both sides of the ball had a real SPARK and drive, unlike last week. Tied for 1st in the AFC West. Let’s go Raiders!
ZADO
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
wow
this team continues to surprise me. great win!
this team continues to surprise me. great win!
ZADO
Footballguy
I heard Carr saw Gruden walking down the street this past week...and he pulled over and asked ''Hey coach, you need a ride?''
And Gruden told him 'Get outa here , you have work to do ''
That was told after the game today by the announcers
This has to be so hard for some of these guys ,but its nice to know they are all still ''knockin on wood''
And Gruden told him 'Get outa here , you have work to do ''
That was told after the game today by the announcers
This has to be so hard for some of these guys ,but its nice to know they are all still ''knockin on wood''
Chaka
Footballguy
It was and things could go back to being "Oh Raiders" next week but this felt like a confident team that knew they would win.
I thought they might win but this was not at all what I expected.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Henry Ruggs III had two receptions of 40-plus yards, including a 48-yard TD. Since entering the NFL in 2020, Ruggs is tied with Davante Adams for the most 40-plus-yard receptions (eight) and all four of his career receiving TDs have been 40-plus yards.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I didn't get to see the game. Hoping to catch a reply.
Glad to see the team seemed to refocus on themselves and the job at hand. Again... literally everything I read about Rich is nothing short of absolute praise. I wonder if he never got a HC shor because he was a ST coach and I can't remember any HC moving from ST to HC before.
Glad to see the team seemed to refocus on themselves and the job at hand. Again... literally everything I read about Rich is nothing short of absolute praise. I wonder if he never got a HC shor because he was a ST coach and I can't remember any HC moving from ST to HC before.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
This team of players is tight. I have commented on that before... especially when Carr got hurt. You say that tightness... and you saw that this team was Carr's. Both the Offense and Defense love our QB. Glad most of Raider Nation is catching up to that as well.
ICON211
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Decoy spice looking good! His most impressive catch was right at the beginning of the game. Snagged an semi errant throw out of the air, for a 8-9 yard gain.
The 2 long gains were both “oh ####” moments. They were closer to punts than passes. Especially the 2nd one. Decoy spice did just enough to catch them. But the DB’s utterly failed. A catch is a catch, so I’ll take it. But they were both on the lucky side.
I’m a carr supporter. I repeat, I’m a carr supporter.
It worries me how often he throws off off his back foot. Both of those throws to decoy spice are examples. there were a few more as well. I get that it’s an Oline issue, but it worries me. Keep throwing it deep! More decoy spice!
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Straight from ST to HC is not going to happen often. I’m sure there are head coaches that have been ST coaches at some point in their careers
Personally, I’m taking a wait and see approach on coach B. This win, imho, is 98% on the players and about 2% on the coaches. Coach B held it together this week. Carr and Olsen ran the offense. Bradley and the boys ran the d.
Coach b seems like a solid likable dude. Not anointing him to anything beyond that yet.
Great win
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I rewatched the Jacobs td run over and over. Absolutely perfectly blocked. Just perfect. Flip side, LW has the most penalties in the league.
ICON211
Footballguy
I don't really see why they were lucky. Carr gave him a shot to make plays and he made them. Just seems like a really good player making plays to me. I know a lot of people hated that he was picked so high, but I think it's about time to just say that maybe he's actually a good WR.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
John Harbaugh spent a long time as Andy Reid's ST coach in Philly. When he told Reid he wanted to become a head coach, Reid moved him to DB coach for a year because most teams wouldn't take a chance on someone who'd only been a ST coach. He got the Ravens job a year later and you all know the rest.
I remember Frank Ganz going from ST coach to HC in KC. That didn't work out so well.
ZADO
Footballguy
Its my understanding that Gruden called all the offensive plays and now Rich Bisaccia is allowing Olson to call ALL the plays himself. Whatever is going on the plays looked more aggressive and the offense came alive today.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Maybe lucky isn’t the right word. When the ball was in the air, especially on the 2nd one, I was worried. But Decoy spice made the plays! I give him that! I guess my main concern was the throws. But f it. Just win baby.
I’ve been calling for more decoy spice for a few weeks now. I’m not discounting his impact on the game and want to see more of it.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Yep. And hey, welcome to the team drake! Only time I yelled at the tv was when they ran that 3 players in the backfield, cloud of dust, burn the clock , Gruden #### early/middle 4th. Too conservative at that time of the game.
LawFitz
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Spice will always be part of his name after that robe on draft day. Dude is balling, might have to drop the decoy. But it’s a silly thing, from this thread, that’s funny. Even more so, as he balls out.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
BearDown54
Footballguy
Hey for you raiders fans, I see drake today finally did something, is this an anomaly or is the new coaches recognizing that they underutilized him? Was gonna drop him but could this game be just false hope?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I didnt get to watch the game but Ruggs and the Raiders impressed. I didnt think the team focus enough on the game to win but obviously that was wrong. Moving on from Gruden could be a big positive in the long-term. Who knew it had a chance to be a positive in the short-term too?
kaso
Footballguy
Something felt different about the game, not sure if I can put a finger on exactly what it was. Maybe it was just my own perception, or nervousness, to see how the team would respond to a very difficult and odd week.
A few random thoughts:
A few random thoughts:
- The O seemed to be more calm and less rushed in this game.
- Carr handled some presser quite well imo. The o line had arguably their best game of the season, not withstanding a few penalties.
- The throws to Drake (for his TD), and Edwards for the long game, were perfectly placed balls.
- Seems like Olson knows how to use Drake more effectively.
- Was happy to see Richard back on the field, he is an important part of the pass protection package.
- Perryman was all over the field, again, making key tackles.
- The Dline is playing lights out football. A few runs got to the 2nd and 3rd level, but I'll gladly take that week in week out if they can continue their level of play and impact on the passing game.
- Hobbs almost had 2 takeways, and is playing at a consistent high level.
- I like how the Raiders are using Abram and Moerhig together, much better level of play out of the safeties compared to years past. In Gus I Trust.
- It seems to me Ngakoue is held on basically every play. His jump off at the snap of the ball is amazing and he may be the unsung hero on the dline. Forcing the QB to step up into the arms of the rest of the dline. I don't think his stats are telling the story of his positive impact on the game.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Olsen called a much more balanced offense. I was really impressed. And Lincoln Kennedy has been screaming on the radio for them to call that screen pass for what, 2 years? And it worked beautifully.
That was the best called game I've seen from the Raiders in a while. My texts were lighting up from my Raiders fans friends - none of them are sad to see Gruden gone.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Only catching some highlights... a difference maker this year for the Dline is the middle guys. At least one of Maxx's sacks was possible because there was no pocket, it was collapsing. Previous years (even before with Mack) there was almost no push up the middle or disruption there and the QB's could simply move up and have time. I was worried about the middle with Hankins and Philon out but it looks like Jefferson, Thomas and Square stepped up.
I saw Abram with the nice INT late in the game. He got up and snatched that ball out of the air. Facyson and Moehrig had INT's I see in stats but haven't seen the highlights yet.
32 and 33 yard average per catch for Ruggs and Edwards.
The only concerning thing I see in the stat line is Jacobs 3.3 average per carry but Drake had 8 per carry and both did damage in the passing game.
There is a lot of young talent on this team. Regardless of what some want to say. Sure, you can question some early draft picks during the Raider era but a lot of those questions over time have been silenced. Miller is a solid LT.... just like Leatherwood, we were mocked for taking him and just like Leatherwood, he struggled a lot in his rookie season. Will Leatherwood get better like him? I hope so. Ruggs and Edwards were written off last year. Same with Abram. Yes, it looks like Cle and Arnette are misses for being selected where they were. I think the one thing I totally missed on this off season in my rants was that Cle would have much more snaps than he is getting which is about 25% of snaps and he isn't making much of an impact on those snaps.
Here is a question I always had about the HC in the NFL. What makes a great HC? Most are not as involved in the offense or defense like Gruden was on offense. Many very good and effective OC's and DC's consistently fail as HC's. Many very successful college HC's tend to struggle in the NFL. Take Brady away (and Brady's ability to get very good players to come play with him on the cheap) and Belicheat looks like a below average HC but so many call him the GOAT. He had a year to blame the cap but then went on a spending spree this off season and is 2-4 now. If you look at the HOF of great coaches and you would be hard pressed to find any two of them to be similar at all. I don't know much about Bisaccia other than the info I have vacuumed up in the last week. It appears that the team did indeed rally amongst themselves and around Bisaccia. I certainly didn't call it but I did suspect it. They could have easily crumbled and the past Raider teams, even those showing promise, would have and did crumble under much less significant pressures. From everything I can see this team is well lead by Carr and it is a very close team. Everything I have heard or read about Bisaccia is that everyone loves him but more importantly "the best leader of men" is a common phrase used about him. Is it possible that "You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done" Genesis 50:20 (NIV)?
I saw Abram with the nice INT late in the game. He got up and snatched that ball out of the air. Facyson and Moehrig had INT's I see in stats but haven't seen the highlights yet.
32 and 33 yard average per catch for Ruggs and Edwards.
The only concerning thing I see in the stat line is Jacobs 3.3 average per carry but Drake had 8 per carry and both did damage in the passing game.
There is a lot of young talent on this team. Regardless of what some want to say. Sure, you can question some early draft picks during the Raider era but a lot of those questions over time have been silenced. Miller is a solid LT.... just like Leatherwood, we were mocked for taking him and just like Leatherwood, he struggled a lot in his rookie season. Will Leatherwood get better like him? I hope so. Ruggs and Edwards were written off last year. Same with Abram. Yes, it looks like Cle and Arnette are misses for being selected where they were. I think the one thing I totally missed on this off season in my rants was that Cle would have much more snaps than he is getting which is about 25% of snaps and he isn't making much of an impact on those snaps.
Here is a question I always had about the HC in the NFL. What makes a great HC? Most are not as involved in the offense or defense like Gruden was on offense. Many very good and effective OC's and DC's consistently fail as HC's. Many very successful college HC's tend to struggle in the NFL. Take Brady away (and Brady's ability to get very good players to come play with him on the cheap) and Belicheat looks like a below average HC but so many call him the GOAT. He had a year to blame the cap but then went on a spending spree this off season and is 2-4 now. If you look at the HOF of great coaches and you would be hard pressed to find any two of them to be similar at all. I don't know much about Bisaccia other than the info I have vacuumed up in the last week. It appears that the team did indeed rally amongst themselves and around Bisaccia. I certainly didn't call it but I did suspect it. They could have easily crumbled and the past Raider teams, even those showing promise, would have and did crumble under much less significant pressures. From everything I can see this team is well lead by Carr and it is a very close team. Everything I have heard or read about Bisaccia is that everyone loves him but more importantly "the best leader of men" is a common phrase used about him. Is it possible that "You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done" Genesis 50:20 (NIV)?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
the d line is straight crushing it. wreaking absolute havoc. it's awesome. i whined about having too many DT's, but it's working well and i was wrong.
facyson's int was on a ball that went right through the receivers hands. slight pressure on TB. the offense seemed frantic as it went down. moehrigs was all on the dline. TB had to heave it and over shot everyone. 25 just had to catch it.
i don't buy that article referencing the raiders as devoid of talent. they've made some massive mistakes in the draft, but they are really really young. and if this team can keep winning and some dudes do really well resurrecting their careers, perryman, hayward, the dline guys, then some high quality FA's might have more interest in coming to LV. plus the moronic screaming caricature of a head coach is gone!! and no income tax.
as far as the HC not being intimately involved, i don't know. reid, McVay, carrol, belecheat, payton, etc., are very involved. in order to lead effectively in today's NFL, you definitely need to designate duties and allow people to do their jobs. i don't think gruden was able to do this very well at all. he hired a lot of yes men. and i'm giving belecheat the benefit of the doubt*. they have crap for skill positions and are playing hard they've got a friggen rookie at qb! and nearly beat the bucs and the cowboys.
mark davis has shown some stones, in the past, and made some pretty contrarian decisions. it's waaaaaay too early to tell if coach B is the right man for the job. but if he is, i could actually see davis thumbing his sweet ### haircut at the talking heads and just doing what he thinks is best for the team. again, it's waaaaaay too early.
but you better believe that gruden's departure is the best thing that could have happened to this team in the long run. and maybe, just maybe, in the short run too. really sweet win this week.
aawtfdik
*i can't stand the pats or their coach.
massraider
Footballguy
Dust settled, this is what I'm left thinking:
1. The league might have buried Gruden and thought they were screwing the team with the timing, but the team just put 60 mill back in the bank. If they get a good coach, there's no long term damage. Also very possible that Mayock and Davis were clued in, and let it happen. Why not? Because the owners don't like Mark Davis? He's an outsider, but HE didn't sue anyone, and has a sparkling new stadium that will make everyone money. The Al Davis stuff was 40 years ago, Jerry Jones and Stan Kroenke couldn't care less. And Jerry is an ally. I'm not saying for sure, but possible.
2. We might see the offense pump it up. You have offensive coaches who maybe have nothing to lose, so they don't need to be as conservative. Head coaches in the NFL are sooo conservative, for good reason. And Gruden would get a lead, and turtle up. Really depends if the o-line can be at least average
1. The league might have buried Gruden and thought they were screwing the team with the timing, but the team just put 60 mill back in the bank. If they get a good coach, there's no long term damage. Also very possible that Mayock and Davis were clued in, and let it happen. Why not? Because the owners don't like Mark Davis? He's an outsider, but HE didn't sue anyone, and has a sparkling new stadium that will make everyone money. The Al Davis stuff was 40 years ago, Jerry Jones and Stan Kroenke couldn't care less. And Jerry is an ally. I'm not saying for sure, but possible.
2. We might see the offense pump it up. You have offensive coaches who maybe have nothing to lose, so they don't need to be as conservative. Head coaches in the NFL are sooo conservative, for good reason. And Gruden would get a lead, and turtle up. Really depends if the o-line can be at least average
As the Oline goes, so will the offense. If they continue to develop and get better each week, the offense should keep humming. I didn't hear Von Miller's name much yesterday. That's a good sign a couple weeks after the Bears and Chargers got after them.
I didn't like the onside kick turnover. Could be a consequence of moving their position coach to head coach, and not practicing it in awhile. Which is probably why in the grand scheme of things Bradley wasn't promoted, just focus on that defense Gus!
Let's keep the momentum going!
I didn't like the onside kick turnover. Could be a consequence of moving their position coach to head coach, and not practicing it in awhile. Which is probably why in the grand scheme of things Bradley wasn't promoted, just focus on that defense Gus!
Let's keep the momentum going!
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The talk now is that Gruden and Davis are working on an amicable settlement on tbe remaining contract. The team isn't off the hook for 60 million but it isn't paying that either.
There is also talk of a lawsuit from Davis over the emails... carrying on the family tradition.
Davis did not want this and is pissed about it all. He believes the league did it intentionally and is out to get him too.
Paranoid. Maybe... but it isn't paranoia if it is true.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
where are you seeing these? i'm not seeing anything other than conjecture and opinion at this point. not doubting you, just haven't seen much on these subjects yet.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Which part?
Raiders/Gruden settlement https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jon-gruden-emails-raiders-to-work-out-contract-settlement-over-remaining-40-million-due-per-report/
Possible lawsuit, pissed and out to get him https://heavy.com/sports/las-vegas-raiders/mark-davis-nfl-lawsuit-rumors/
I have seen similar reporting in other articles. Nothing hard concrete... mostly sources and people close etc...
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i hadn't seen that cbs article. wouldn't it be amazing if he did what he'd said he was going to do and not take the money it it didn't work out?
heavy isn't the best source, imho, and is often super negative towards the raiders.
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