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2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (5 Viewers)

DA RAIDERS said:
I always had the balance of power 90/10. And that only applied to menial things. Anything important in gruden’s mind. 100/0
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Well... it is kind of luck a corporation... you have 51% of the stock then it doesn't matter what the 49% wants to do. 51% is the same as 100% in terms of power. 

 
Chaka said:
O'Brien was 52-48 and took the Texans to the playoffs five times in seven years.

He's at least a 1/2

But who cares? In reality these are entirely unrelated data points.
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I think if you look at his tenure, you will see that he shot himself in the foot more than he helped his team win though to be fair, I think it is more about his GM powers than coaching. I actually do think he is a good coach just need to make sure he has no personnel decision power making at all. 

 
Chaka said:
Again, you're suggesting that in 11 years the man has remained frozen in time. That he will have the same personality traits that caused him to be unsuccessful 11 years ago.  I don't buy that.

I think we all agree that we would love to go back in time 11 years and kick the #### out of our past selves for being such dumb###es.
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Guys that were a-holes 11 years ago are still a-holes today. Same with good guys 11 years ago are still good guys now. With very few exceptions. 

Personality does not change much for most people. When it does, it is usually because of outside influences like drugs or alcohol that you remove or add and then see a drastic change. The only good guy I know that is an ##### now was because he got into drugs. I have also seen a lot of people that struggled with addiction before and then go clean/sober and are way different people. 

Other than that the only other thing we are talking about is maturity. Yes, people change a lot as they grow up to adulthood. But adults don't typically change personalities much. 

I could be wrong and maybe his issues were not about personality. Maybe it was poor leadership abilities but he has a track record. When you are talking about hiring, any kind of hiring, the best indication of the future is the past. I don't like what I see from him at all. 

The NFL has proven one thing for sure though... a good or even great... heck a HOF all time awesome OC or DC does not automatically make for a great HC. 

I am not biting on that. No thank you. I will be pissed if we brought him on. I, of course, will hope for the best but I would be confident it will hold us back for the tenure... potentially longer as the chances of him disrupting and destroying the young core of players we have would be high in my view. Hard pass. 

 
Chadstroma said:
Guys that were a-holes 11 years ago are still a-holes today. Same with good guys 11 years ago are still good guys now. With very few exceptions. 

Personality does not change much for most people. When it does, it is usually because of outside influences like drugs or alcohol that you remove or add and then see a drastic change. The only good guy I know that is an ##### now was because he got into drugs. I have also seen a lot of people that struggled with addiction before and then go clean/sober and are way different people. 

Other than that the only other thing we are talking about is maturity. Yes, people change a lot as they grow up to adulthood. But adults don't typically change personalities much. 

I could be wrong and maybe his issues were not about personality. Maybe it was poor leadership abilities but he has a track record. When you are talking about hiring, any kind of hiring, the best indication of the future is the past. I don't like what I see from him at all. 

The NFL has proven one thing for sure though... a good or even great... heck a HOF all time awesome OC or DC does not automatically make for a great HC. 

I am not biting on that. No thank you. I will be pissed if we brought him on. I, of course, will hope for the best but I would be confident it will hold us back for the tenure... potentially longer as the chances of him disrupting and destroying the young core of players we have would be high in my view. Hard pass. 
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guess what chad?  i agree with you completely.   :lmao:   

and that first sentence was exactly why i never wanted gruden.

 
Oh and Sean Payton... well duh, take him in a second. Give him a contract bigger and longer than Gruden's and call it a day. 

He isn't going to be available. You might as well say we should sign Belicheat. 

 
While I agree that past can be indicative, I don't agree that people can't or won't change for the better as they become older/wiser. That said, knowing how to do something and being able to do it aren't the same thing. JM almost certainly knows how to be a good Head Coach by now, but that's no certainty that he's able.

 
How about sneaky Pete up in Seattle? Seems that marriage is a bit weathered by now, and especially if they move on from Russ this offseason.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
covered this already.

why is no one talking about rick saban?
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Rick Saban, the younger lesser known brother of Nick Saban. I'm all for it.  But seriously, Nick Saban are Pete Carroll are both 70. I know a lot of people retire here but that I'm not interested in a geriatric coach. 

 
Chadstroma said:
Guys that were a-holes 11 years ago are still a-holes today. Same with good guys 11 years ago are still good guys now. With very few exceptions. 

Personality does not change much for most people. When it does, it is usually because of outside influences like drugs or alcohol that you remove or add and then see a drastic change. The only good guy I know that is an ##### now was because he got into drugs. I have also seen a lot of people that struggled with addiction before and then go clean/sober and are way different people. 

Other than that the only other thing we are talking about is maturity. Yes, people change a lot as they grow up to adulthood. But adults don't typically change personalities much. 

I could be wrong and maybe his issues were not about personality. Maybe it was poor leadership abilities but he has a track record. When you are talking about hiring, any kind of hiring, the best indication of the future is the past. I don't like what I see from him at all. 

The NFL has proven one thing for sure though... a good or even great... heck a HOF all time awesome OC or DC does not automatically make for a great HC. 

I am not biting on that. No thank you. I will be pissed if we brought him on. I, of course, will hope for the best but I would be confident it will hold us back for the tenure... potentially longer as the chances of him disrupting and destroying the young core of players we have would be high in my view. Hard pass. 
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Don't take this the wrong way, and I mean that sincerely, I think you know I have a great deal of respect for your opinions about the Raiders, but virtually nothing you said is relevant to whether or not McDaniels would be a good HC 11 years after his first stint. What does being an ####### have to do with it? Or a nice guy?

The relevant question is is he smarter, does he understand the job better and will he be more capable of succeeding. There are absolutely natural leaders in this world but becoming a better leader can absolutely be learned. If you think the door is closed on that potential, then why should any of us continue to pursue our careers?

And the graveyard of great OCs & DCs who became failed HCs will always be orders of magnitude larger than the ones who become great HCs. That fact has no bearing on Josh McDaniels potential as a HC today.

Like the Franklin Mint always says: Past results do not guarantee future returns.

 
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So who are the other candidates we would approve?

Daboll? Bieniemy? Leftwich? Bowles? Frazier? Someone from the college ranks?

 
Chaka said:
So who are the other candidates we would approve?

Daboll? Bieniemy? Leftwich? Bowles? Frazier? Someone from the college ranks?
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Daboll - maybe but doesn't run the ball at all and has shown a lack of willingness to adjust gameplans

Bienemy - hell no, please God no

Leftwich - maybe

Bowles - maybe

Frazier - no thanks

College coaches - my first thought is no, but I couldn't say definitely not depending on the person

McDaniels - maybe

That's my thoughts on the names we have discussed so far.  I'm not too enthusiastic about any names I've heard so far.

 
ICON211 said:
Daboll - maybe but doesn't run the ball at all and has shown a lack of willingness to adjust gameplans

Bienemy - hell no, please God no

Leftwich - maybe

Bowles - maybe

Frazier - no thanks

College coaches - my first thought is no, but I couldn't say definitely not depending on the person

McDaniels - maybe

That's my thoughts on the names we have discussed so far.  I'm not too enthusiastic about any names I've heard so far.
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One thing you can't say about McDaniels is that he doesn't adjust his game plan.

No one mixes up their game plans more than the Patriots.

 
ICON211 said:
Daboll - maybe but doesn't run the ball at all and has shown a lack of willingness to adjust gameplans

Bienemy - hell no, please God no

Leftwich - maybe

Bowles - maybe

Frazier - no thanks

College coaches - my first thought is no, but I couldn't say definitely not depending on the person

McDaniels - maybe

That's my thoughts on the names we have discussed so far.  I'm not too enthusiastic about any names I've heard so far.
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One thing you can't say about McDaniels is that he doesn't adjust his game plan.

No one mixes up their game plans more than the Patriots.

 
DANIEL CARLSONK, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS

Raiders signed K Daniel Carlson to a four-year, $18.4 million extension through 2025.

Carlson is playing 2021 on the restricted free agent tender. After flaming out with the Vikings, Carlson has found a long-term home with Vegas. He’s 27-of-30 (90%) on field goals this season and has missed just two of his 25 extra points. At $4.6 million per year, Carlson is the league’s third-highest paid kicker.

It's not a huge contract and this is a kicker, but maybe a sign Mayock could stay if he is being allowed to give contract extensions?

 
LawFitz said:
While I agree that past can be indicative, I don't agree that people can't or won't change for the better as they become older/wiser. That said, knowing how to do something and being able to do it aren't the same thing. JM almost certainly knows how to be a good Head Coach by now, but that's no certainty that he's able.
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Changing for the better is one thing. Changing personality is a whole different thing. Everything about his failure seemed to me to be about personality. Show me differently and I would be interested. Otherwise, people almost never change their personality. 

 
Chaka said:
Don't take this the wrong way, and I mean that sincerely, I think you know I have a great deal of respect for your opinions about the Raiders, but virtually nothing you said is relevant to whether or not McDaniels would be a good HC 11 years after his first stint. What does being an ####### have to do with it? Or a nice guy?

The relevant question is is he smarter, does he understand the job better and will he be more capable of succeeding. There are absolutely natural leaders in this world but becoming a better leader can absolutely be learned. If you think the door is closed on that potential, then why should any of us continue to pursue our careers?

And the graveyard of great OCs & DCs who became failed HCs will always be orders of magnitude larger than the ones who become great HCs. That fact has no bearing on Josh McDaniels potential as a HC today.

Like the Franklin Mint always says: Past results do not guarantee future returns.
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Covered that in that I see his failures about personality flaws. The ##### and good guy thing was used to prove a point. I don't know if he is an ##### or good guy and that isn't what I am talking about here. It seems to me that his rather horrible time as HC was a train wreck due to personality flaws and not about learnable things. With Belicheat being such a domineering personality, he could be an effective OC because his personality is overcome by Belicheat or because Belicheat designs the game plan... plenty of failed past NE OC and DC to say that their success rate is less than a lock, including McDaniels being one of them. 

 
Chaka said:
So who are the other candidates we would approve?

Daboll? Bieniemy? Leftwich? Bowles? Frazier? Someone from the college ranks?
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The thing about Leftwich is that I am not surprised he is an effective OC. I mean, he played for like 20 different OC's in the NFL while QB. 

If we aren't scared off about past coaching tree failures then Bieniemy interests me the most. Just because Nagy sucks doesn't mean he will. The other question is how much of the KC offense is him? How much blame does he get for their lackluster performance this year. 

I don't know... I am not aware of anyone that I am super excited about going after right now.

 
ICON211 said:
DANIEL CARLSONK, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS

Raiders signed K Daniel Carlson to a four-year, $18.4 million extension through 2025.

Carlson is playing 2021 on the restricted free agent tender. After flaming out with the Vikings, Carlson has found a long-term home with Vegas. He’s 27-of-30 (90%) on field goals this season and has missed just two of his 25 extra points. At $4.6 million per year, Carlson is the league’s third-highest paid kicker.

It's not a huge contract and this is a kicker, but maybe a sign Mayock could stay if he is being allowed to give contract extensions?
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One big error on my part was hoping we would sign someone else after his first year. Glad no one listens to me and we kept him and then now locking him up longer. Been a good, strong and accurate leg for us. 

 
Chadstroma said:
The thing about Leftwich is that I am not surprised he is an effective OC. I mean, he played for like 20 different OC's in the NFL while QB. 

If we aren't scared off about past coaching tree failures then Bieniemy interests me the most. Just because Nagy sucks doesn't mean he will. The other question is how much of the KC offense is him? How much blame does he get for their lackluster performance this year. 

I don't know... I am not aware of anyone that I am super excited about going after right now.
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Is Leftwich an effective OC? He ran the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL in his one season in Arizona (Josh Rosen as his QB). Then three seasons with Arians in TB & two with Tom Brady with his QB on top of it. Gives me a bit of an Adam Gase vibe. It's easy to look good when Peyton Manning & Tom Brady are running your offense.

Andy Reid: Brad Childress, John Harbaugh, Steve Spagnulo, Leslie Frazier, Ron Rivera, Pat Shurmer, Todd Bowles, Doug Pederson, Sean McDermott, Matt Nagy

 
Chaka said:
Is Leftwich an effective OC? He ran the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL in his one season in Arizona (Josh Rosen as his QB). Then three seasons with Arians in TB & two with Tom Brady with his QB on top of it. Gives me a bit of an Adam Gase vibe. It's easy to look good when Peyton Manning & Tom Brady are running your offense.

Andy Reid: Brad Childress, John Harbaugh, Steve Spagnulo, Leslie Frazier, Ron Rivera, Pat Shurmer, Todd Bowles, Doug Pederson, Sean McDermott, Matt Nagy
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I don't know... no one on the radar right now gets me excited. 

 
SDJohnny said:
Rick Saban, the younger lesser known brother of Nick Saban. I'm all for it.  But seriously, Nick Saban are Pete Carroll are both 70. I know a lot of people retire here but that I'm not interested in a geriatric coach. 
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Itz a yoke

yabo swiney was on the sideline.  Lead pipe lock?

 
I think I'd rather go with a recently retired player, like the Vrabel path, vs. a College coach.  Not that I can name a specific player.  But I value recent NFL experience over recent College success. 

 
kaso said:
I think I'd rather go with a recently retired player, like the Vrabel path, vs. a College coach.  Not that I can name a specific player.  But I value recent NFL experience over recent College success. 
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Success for a college and NFL coach seems to be a wholly different skill set. Most can not translate college to NFL, though of course there are exceptions. 

 
Zach Cunningham claimed by TEN which means we didn't even try.  The guy's 26 years old and his salary is only 10M next year and not guaranteed until March, how do we not take a look at a guy like that?

Nathaniel Hackett (GB OC) is going to get a HC shot and he's done well everywhere he's been - gimmie some of that.  Brian Daboll took a team that's historically struggled and turned them into a beast - sign me up there too.  I'd prefer it be a guy with his own offense so that if we have success and his coordinators get jobs the QB doesn't have to cycle through a new OC as well.

Speaking of OC, CAR just fired Joe Brady.  That's a scapegoat move right there and I'd kill to have him come in and replace Olsen.  I hated the Olsen move and this is the perfect opportunity to bring in a sharp young mind like Brady.

 
kaso said:
I think I'd rather go with a recently retired player, like the Vrabel path, vs. a College coach.  Not that I can name a specific player.  But I value recent NFL experience over recent College success. 
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Vrabel spent seven years coaching at Ohio State and with the Texans before getting the Titans job.

ETA: Who are the guys who fit the bill as ex-players who are now coaching? 

Bieniemy has been coaching since 2001. Is that too long off the field?

Aaron Glenn...?

 
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Two names I've heard in the media lately have been Jim Harbaugh and Dabo Sweeney. Dark horse no one is talking about is Doug Peterson. The name I like the least out of the 3 is Sweeney. I kinda like the idea of Harbaugh, although I don't know who his coordinators would be but he's got Super Bowl experience. Peterson is interesting, seems like his flamed burned bright, then burned out quickly. Maybe he's getting the itch to coach again after a few years off?

 
Hankmoody said:
Zach Cunningham claimed by TEN which means we didn't even try.  The guy's 26 years old and his salary is only 10M next year and not guaranteed until March, how do we not take a look at a guy like that?

Nathaniel Hackett (GB OC) is going to get a HC shot and he's done well everywhere he's been - gimmie some of that.  Brian Daboll took a team that's historically struggled and turned them into a beast - sign me up there too.  I'd prefer it be a guy with his own offense so that if we have success and his coordinators get jobs the QB doesn't have to cycle through a new OC as well.

Speaking of OC, CAR just fired Joe Brady.  That's a scapegoat move right there and I'd kill to have him come in and replace Olsen.  I hated the Olsen move and this is the perfect opportunity to bring in a sharp young mind like Brady.
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Is Nathaniel Hackett the son of Paul Hackett the ex- USC and Raider coach (among other positions)? 

 
Chaka said:
Melvin Ingram "playing angry"

Four weeks ago the Raiders were 5-3
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I don't know if it would have been a good fit as apparently he was mad about playing time and how much time would he get with us? He isn't supplanting Yannick or Maxx so he would be rotational BUT I HATED the idea of him going to KC. His biggest impact is having Chris Jones move inside where he is best. 

I almost wanted us to grab him just so KC couldn't. Oh well.

 
Bruno2 said:
Two names I've heard in the media lately have been Jim Harbaugh and Dabo Sweeney. Dark horse no one is talking about is Doug Peterson. The name I like the least out of the 3 is Sweeney. I kinda like the idea of Harbaugh, although I don't know who his coordinators would be but he's got Super Bowl experience. Peterson is interesting, seems like his flamed burned bright, then burned out quickly. Maybe he's getting the itch to coach again after a few years off?
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Yea. Harbaugh and Sweeney have been mentioned alot. 

Harbaugh because of the multiple connections to the Raiders. It would seem odd timing though as he finally got Michigan a shot at a Natty Title. 

Sweeney seems mostly because hecwent to the game the other day. Sweeney has a HUGE contract. We would basically have to offer him more than Gruden got. 

Harbaugh contract is much more easier to beat. I like that he has been in the NFL with success. I never understood why the divorce with SF happened. 

 
LawFitz said:
Diablo with a very nice performance in his first game with extended snaps last weekend...

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2021/12/9/22824951/raiders-film-room-divine-deablo

Koonce did some good things too, including getting a sack.

Mayock with two potential finds here, if this is an indication of things to come.
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Being able to cover and have speed is a definite premium anywhere but even more so in Bradley's system as the biggest weakness that teams look to attack is mismatches with WR on LB's if they can force it. Get an LB who can hold up and this defense is hard to beat. As seen by the Legion of Boom days of the Seattle teams.

 
Chadstroma said:
I don't know if it would have been a good fit as apparently he was mad about playing time and how much time would he get with us? He isn't supplanting Yannick or Maxx so he would be rotational BUT I HATED the idea of him going to KC. His biggest impact is having Chris Jones move inside where he is best. 

I almost wanted us to grab him just so KC couldn't. Oh well.
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I think a Bradley and Ingram reunion could have worked. He had three Pro Bowl years under Bradley with the Chargers.

 
Chadstroma said:
Yea. Harbaugh and Sweeney have been mentioned alot. 

Harbaugh because of the multiple connections to the Raiders. It would seem odd timing though as he finally got Michigan a shot at a Natty Title. 

Sweeney seems mostly because hecwent to the game the other day. Sweeney has a HUGE contract. We would basically have to offer him more than Gruden got. 

Harbaugh contract is much more easier to beat. I like that he has been in the NFL with success. I never understood why the divorce with SF happened. 
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Harbaugh has a difficult personality to deal with.  He's an intense dude who expects others to bend to his will and that always rubs someone the wrong way eventually.  I would love for him to come to Las Vegas. He's a big splash get IMO and he's a heckuva coach.

 
Hankmoody said:
Yes.

No Harbaugh.  No no no.  No more skunk weasels, it's bad enough I have to not hate Charles Woodson, please God no do not do this to me.
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So, I am going on a limb and say your a Buckeye. 

I don't think Ohio is the core of Raider Nation so you might just be alone on this.

 
Chaka said:
Parker is playing RT. Leatherwood has been playing guard for 5-6 games now.
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I realize that. I was commenting on a previous post suggesting they move LW back to tackle. He does not have NFL pass per skills. The Raiders realized that once they saw him matched up against Bosa. They immediately moved him inside.

 
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