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2021 Philadelphia Eagles - Queued up a playlist of our greatest zits throughout the season for final game (3 Viewers)

Not to defend Hurts, because he's been awful, but if you're calling plays and see/know all of the above, then why call 3-5 run plays for an entire game? Why put the entire weight of the offense on that QB's shoulders? Assuming Sanders misses time it won't matter much going forward, but the past 5 weeks worth of terrible game plans were inexcusable.


It’s hard for me to say game plans are sucky when there’s guys running open a lot. I agree we should run more when he’s struggling but at the same time he has to hit these guys. 

His passing issues are well documented. Now what’s starting to show it’s head is just how bad he is at reading the RPO’s too. It’s hard to run an offense when the QB has played this bad but we definitely should be running and featuring Sanders more at the same time. 

 
I'm not here to defend Sirianni, but how many throws has Hurts missed?  He can't throw slants because he throws the ball behind his receivers.  He can't throw deep because he under throws his receivers.  He can't throw over the middle.  He has no touch on his passes.  He's not an NFL quarterback.  You can't win consistently with a QB who can't make the necessary throws.
I mean, this is of course correct.  However, if we know that then Sirianni knows that.  Asking Hurts to throw the ball an average of 35 times per game is ridiculous.  The dude should be averaging 20 passes a game, tops.  He's only got two games under 34 attempts (23 against SF and 26 against TB).  

 
I mean, this is of course correct.  However, if we know that then Sirianni knows that.  Asking Hurts to throw the ball an average of 35 times per game is ridiculous.  The dude should be averaging 20 passes a game, tops.  He's only got two games under 34 attempts (23 against SF and 26 against TB).  
This is why I was guessing that maybe he hits them in practice? I can’t recall if the beats said he was doing this poorly in their joint practices this year or between games. 

 
The fact there is 9 other teams ranked worse than us blows my mind. 

Detroit week! Do we wreck the 0-16 season a deliver Detroit their first win? Or do we try and screw everyone including us and win? I feel like this is the ultimate FU game and Nick will win, Hurts will look amazing. 

 
The fact there is 9 other teams ranked worse than us blows my mind. 

Detroit week! Do we wreck the 0-16 season a deliver Detroit their first win? Or do we try and screw everyone including us and win? I feel like this is the ultimate FU game and Nick will win, Hurts will look amazing. 
Eagles likely blow them out. There's plenty of talent on the offensive side after Hurts.

 
Not to defend Hurts, because he's been awful, but if you're calling plays and see/know all of the above, then why call 3-5 run plays for an entire game? Why put the entire weight of the offense on that QB's shoulders? Assuming Sanders misses time it won't matter much going forward, but the past 5 weeks worth of terrible game plans were inexcusable.


The Eagles are calling RPOs.  Hurts has one read to make to determine if it's a pass or run.  The Eagles have the 2nd most RPOs in the league this year and the most pass attempts from that play call.  The RPO is the play that mobile QBs are running in the league these days.  Maybe Hurts isn't making the right reads.  Maybe teams are forcing Hurts to read throw.  If I were a DC, that's what I would do.  He can't make the throws consistently. 

For the season the Eagles are at 38.9% runs.  They were at 37.8% last year with Pederson.  They made the playoffs in 2018 38.4% runs.  The Eagles have 86 RPOs this year and have passed 46 times from that play.  If Hurts reads run 20 more times instead of pass the Eagles are at 44% runs for the season.  I guess you're right though, if Hurts can't make the proper read on the RPO or worse, can't make the required throw, they should just do away with RPOs and the coach should try and find some other play where the QB doesn't have to throw the ball.  

 
Eagles claim pre-season phenom Reid Sinnett off waivers from Miami. Is that the end of Flacco? Or the beginning of Watson in a trade with Minshew or Hurts?

 
Flacco to the Jets and Lovato waived, so no long snapper now? What the heck did he do to get cut?
They needed room for the waiver claim of Sinnett. Once the Flacco trade goes through, they will re-sign him (vested vet, so he doesn't go on waivers.)

 
The Jets using a 6th, let alone the possibility of a 5th, to get Flacco as a 2-4 week rental is malpractice. They aren't in the playoff hunt, so why care about trying to win games until your rookie QB comes back?

Even if Wilson is hurt worse than they originally thought, tough out the rest of the season with whoever you can throw back there and save your resources to keep building around Wilson. 

 
The Jets using a 6th, let alone the possibility of a 5th, to get Flacco as a 2-4 week rental is malpractice. They aren't in the playoff hunt, so why care about trying to win games until your rookie QB comes back?

Even if Wilson is hurt worse than they originally thought, tough out the rest of the season with whoever you can throw back there and save your resources to keep building around Wilson. 
Howie is Jedi when it comes to trades. 

 
1. It’s year one of a new system and one that relies on LBers first and foremost. Having a core that can cover and make tackles underneath is huge. We don’t have them. 
Alex Singleton in coverage among all NFL players:
- 38 receptions allowed (most)
- 367 yards allowed (7th most)
- 4 TDs allowed (tied 2nd most)
- 8 missed tackles after catch (most)

 
So does Sirriani wear the highlighter on the visor to make people think he’s smarter than he really is? Kind of reminds me of when that buffoon Mike Tice would wear the pencil behind his ear. 

Regardless, it does seem like this guy is a bit out of his depth here. Hopefully he can fake it till he makes it. I’m a Skins fan so I’m not throwing stones at glass houses here, I just know incompetence when I see it at this point. 

 
So does Sirriani wear the highlighter on the visor to make people think he’s smarter than he really is? Kind of reminds me of when that buffoon Mike Tice would wear the pencil behind his ear. 

Regardless, it does seem like this guy is a bit out of his depth here. Hopefully he can fake it till he makes it. I’m a Skins fan so I’m not throwing stones at glass houses here, I just know incompetence when I see it at this point. 
Glad to hear someone use their real name still. 

 
He really is. After last years draft and some of these deals I almost want him to hang around a year lol. 
We've always said he's not bad at the maneuving part of the game and he does hit some picks. Just really bad at top level drafting. If only we had a guy that could feed him the right info on who to draft we'd be golden. 

 
The Jets using a 6th, let alone the possibility of a 5th, to get Flacco as a 2-4 week rental is malpractice. They aren't in the playoff hunt, so why care about trying to win games until your rookie QB comes back?

Even if Wilson is hurt worse than they originally thought, tough out the rest of the season with whoever you can throw back there and save your resources to keep building around Wilson. 
I'm betting Wilson is hurt more than they are saying and will not risk him coming back ROS if they can avoid it 

The team is constructed so poorly to protect him. Getting more talent should be the first priority before investing high rookie picks into QBs IMO 

 
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For #2, QBs are more accurate than ever before. This isn't the late 80's when a 50% completion percentage meant you were an all-pro QB. QBs are completing 65% of their passes against even the best and above-average defenses. Giving them a ton of room underneath and "dare them" to dink and dunk their way down the field without throwing a bunch of incompletions isn't going to work if you aren't playing Sam Darnold every week. Plus, your LBs stink so depending on them to stop the run at the second level is creating just as an easy way to move the ball as the easy completions.


I'm not gonna nit pick everything but you missed one of the biggest flaws in todays game and why I hate when people say Brady is a the GOAT. Maybe of this era but not overall. Rules. Todays rules allow more offense then ever before. We're at the point where breathing on the QB is 15 yards and we should just put a Red Jersey on them. You can't touch a WR almost at all. I'm actually shocked though at the amount of Offensive PI calls I've seen this year which is good. However todays game is easier to pass in. it's also more of a passing league. Yes the QBs have better arms but today's game is a positive for the offense. 

I agree with a lot of what you posted but I think this is a big deal itself. You emotions yourself this isn't the 80s. Definitely is not. Today's rules encourage offense and high scoring. 

 
I'm not here to defend Sirianni, but how many throws has Hurts missed?  He can't throw slants because he throws the ball behind his receivers.  He can't throw deep because he under throws his receivers.  He can't throw over the middle.  He has no touch on his passes.  He's not an NFL quarterback.  You can't win consistently with a QB who can't make the necessary throws.


People also need to stop saying Hurts is a rookie. Maybe in terms of games played but he was in the league last year and in his second season. Kid seems like a nice person but he sucks as a QB and Carson was running a read option last night better then Hurts and he even faked out the camera guy on the TD. . I'm by no means saying Carson is a world beater but with Hurts skill set he should be able to run a read option better then most QBs in this league not named Mahomes/Lamar/Allen/Daniel Jones. 

 
Not to defend Hurts, because he's been awful, but if you're calling plays and see/know all of the above, then why call 3-5 run plays for an entire game? Why put the entire weight of the offense on that QB's shoulders? Assuming Sanders misses time it won't matter much going forward, but the past 5 weeks worth of terrible game plans were inexcusable.


Wild guess here but I think they know this is a rebuild and they are using game reps to see where he's out or try to fix things. I mean thats the only defense to this. At least 75% of the people in charge of moves don't see Hurts as a franchise QB so maybe they are really trying to shove that down the other 25% throats at this point too. It's a guess maybe not a good one but fun to speculate 

 
Flacco to the Jets and Lovato waived, so no long snapper now? What the heck did he do to get cut?


Lovato should clear waivers and they'll bring him back on. Most likely though with our luck he gets claimed. But I don't know many teams in need of a Long Snapper these days 

 
I'm betting Wilson is hurt more than they are saying and will not risk him coming back ROS if they can avoid it 

The team is constructed so poorly to protect him. Getting more talent should be the first priority before investing high rookie picks into QBs IMO 


Yeah teams need to learn from the David Carr experience. When you draft rookie QB draft and our get some big hogs who are capable of protecting your investment. LT after QB is a top priority right there, build the line from there

I also think he might be more hurt 

 
Have the odds gone up that minshew replaces hurts? Needed to pick up a back up fantasy qb lol


No idea but given what I've heard in the past about Hurts not being the guy I wouldn't put it past to to eventually have Minshew in there. Our bye week isn't till week 14 though. If our bye week was in the next 2 weeks and Hurts keeps playing like he does I'd say there was a hire chance he got replaced. But with bye 6 weeks from now I think Hurts job is still safe. I know a lot of people are saying Hurts needs to play the whole year to see if we have something. But it's pretty clear at this point he's just not an NFL QB

 
Have the odds gone up that minshew replaces hurts? Needed to pick up a back up fantasy qb lol
I forgot about it but someone on Twitter pointed out the compensation for Minshew was a 6th that could become a 5th if Minshew plays more than 50% of the snaps in 3 games. Not a huge difference but I doubt the Eagles will play him if they don’t have to. 

 
I forgot about it but someone on Twitter pointed out the compensation for Minshew was a 6th that could become a 5th if Minshew plays more than 50% of the snaps in 3 games. Not a huge difference but I doubt the Eagles will play him if they don’t have to. 
Well, it's getting close to halfway through the year, they can try it out for 5-7 games 

All I know is that the Flacco trade and practice squad pickup is giving me some bad feelings about hurts viability ROS that I had to pluck cousins up lol

 
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Well, it's getting close to halfway through the year, they can try it out for 5-7 games 

All I know is that the Flacco trade and practice squad pickup is giving me some bad feelings about hurts viability ROS that I had to pluck cousins up lol


This won't make you less worry. I'm friends with one of the bigger Eagles beat writers as he lives in my area and a customer of mine. Back in January he said 75% of the people in charge didn't believe Hurts was Franchise QB material and a lot of signs pointed to Hurts was drafted to appease Doug Pederson and staff. They were hesitant to trade Wentz because of that and had they believed in Hurts more I think Wentz goes for less in a trade then what the Eagles eventually got for him. I mean take it with a grain of salt but since I heard it in January several others when I've mentioned it on tweeter have confirmed they've heard it too from multiple sources. 

So my comment to you and other Hurts fantasy owners is enjoy that production while it lasts because it may not last much longer. 

 
The Eagles are calling RPOs.  Hurts has one read to make to determine if it's a pass or run.  The Eagles have the 2nd most RPOs in the league this year and the most pass attempts from that play call.  The RPO is the play that mobile QBs are running in the league these days.  Maybe Hurts isn't making the right reads.  Maybe teams are forcing Hurts to read throw.  If I were a DC, that's what I would do.  He can't make the throws consistently. 

For the season the Eagles are at 38.9% runs.  They were at 37.8% last year with Pederson.  They made the playoffs in 2018 38.4% runs.  The Eagles have 86 RPOs this year and have passed 46 times from that play.  If Hurts reads run 20 more times instead of pass the Eagles are at 44% runs for the season.  I guess you're right though, if Hurts can't make the proper read on the RPO or worse, can't make the required throw, they should just do away with RPOs and the coach should try and find some other play where the QB doesn't have to throw the ball.  
You are over-estimating the % of runs because you're counting scrambles as rushes. Throw those out and Philly is near the bottom in run %

 
Is that speculation or have you run the numbers?  
Lamar Jackson leads all QBs with 76 attempts. Hurts is 2nd with 66.

The next several are in low 40s.

Now...Jalen has had a few designed runs every game, but many are option plays where he SHOULD have handed off to Sanders or Gainwell but kept it. But he's also been quick to leave the pocket and run because he struggles to get off his first read. I'd like to see a more accurate run % number which takes away the scrambles, you can keep the designed runs and even the option runs.....I bet Philly would STILL be bottom 3 in run %. Given Hurts accuracy, inexperience, the fact the O-line is above average, and the fact that the Eagles have two good looking RBs and a decent third stringer.....they shouldn't sniff bottom 3....or even bottom 23!

 
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Have the odds gone up that minshew replaces hurts? Needed to pick up a back up fantasy qb lol
Of course, he went from #3 to #2. How much they went up, no idea - but for sure they did.

Maybe after the bye? I mean Minshew isn't the 'answer' remotely either.  But perhaps he can help see if the offense looks as inept with a different QB to shed some light on Sirianni (or maybe Sirianni realizes he may be a one and done and figures he needs to try to prove its not him)

 
But perhaps he can help see if the offense looks as inept with a different QB to shed some light on Sirianni
This is the only reason we might see a change at some point. It won't be because they are trying to win more games or give Minshew an audition to be "the guy." And it also probably won't mean anything, either way, on what the owner and GM think they have in Hurts. It actually might help complete their evaluation of Hurts.

 
Lamar Jackson leads all QBs with 76 attempts. Hurts is 2nd with 66.

The next several are in low 40s.

Now...Jalen has had a few designed runs every game, but many are option plays where he SHOULD have handed off to Sanders or Gainwell but kept it. But he's also been quick to leave the pocket and run because he struggles to get off his first read. I'd like to see a more accurate run % number which takes away the scrambles, you can keep the designed runs and even the option runs.....I bet Philly would STILL be bottom 3 in run %. Given Hurts accuracy, inexperience, the fact the O-line is above average, and the fact that the Eagles have two good looking RBs and a decent third stringer.....they shouldn't sniff bottom 3....or even bottom 23!


24 of Hurts 66 rushes are from the RPO.  26 of Lamar Jacksons 76 rushes are from the RPO.  Josh Allen, 44 rush attempts and Kyler Murray 43 attempts are next on the list.  Allen has 8 RPO rushes and Murray has 12.  At most Hurts would have 40 scrambles compared to 50 for Lamar Jackson and 36 for Josh Allen and 31 for Kyler Murray unless we're counting RPO rushes as scrambles.  

Buffalo is a pretty good case study for Philly.  Philly has run a total of 421 plays, Buffalo has run 419.  Josh Allen has almost the same amount of non-RPO rushes as Hurts 40 to 36.  Yet Buffalo is 6th in rushing attempts and Philly is 27th.  The difference...15 rushing attempts, or 2 a game.  In the RPO, Hurts has 52 passing attempts (v. 24 rushes) to Allen's 29 passing attempts (v. 8 rushes). 

The lack of a rushing attempts isn't because of Sirianni, it's because of Hurts.  Maybe Sirianni should not call RPOs, but that is probably the easiest play for Hurts to run right now.  They could try Hurts under center (would probably be a disaster).  Or they can continue to run Hurts in the shotgun and call RPOs.  But when Hurts continues to read pass, you get the type of imbalance that everyone loves to complain about.  The only solution is to take the decision out of Hurts hands and call designed run plays.      

 
Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma on the call again for our game this week in DET. Also means the E-team production crew that come along with them, so expect the same 3 basic camera angles all game and scant replays.

This is one of the many painful side effects of being a fan to an awful team.

 
This is the only reason we might see a change at some point. It won't be because they are trying to win more games or give Minshew an audition to be "the guy." And it also probably won't mean anything, either way, on what the owner and GM think they have in Hurts. It actually might help complete their evaluation of Hurts.
I still believe this was Lurie giving Howie enough rope to hang himself with, for lack of a better phrase. Howie made his bed with the Wentz and Doug situation and obviously was the guy who wanted Hurts for whatever reason you want to get behind. They 100%  need to see the Hurts evaluation through before deciding on what options to take in FA or the draft.

Right now I’m fairly certain Howie is done after this year. After a few more losses we’ll start to get “leaks” about this and that probably about Hurts or Siriani not being the guys he wanted etc.  

 
Could also be that Lurie is passing on high quality coaches after interviewing them to see how controllable they are. 

 
Well its also the owner, who questions coaches after W's why we didn't pass the ball more in a game where winds were 30 MPH. 


Could also be that Lurie is passing on high quality coaches after interviewing them to see how controllable they are. 
I really want (but not really) this to be a thing but there seems to be no smoke there. There is a TON of smoke around Howie every since he’s risen up the ranks though. 

 
I really want (but not really) this to be a thing but there seems to be no smoke there. There is a TON of smoke around Howie every since he’s risen up the ranks though. 
I'm not trying to argue, b/c to some degree I guess hiring Chip was sort of against my theory.

With that said, Howie been here 22 years. Just 4/5 years longer than the owner himself. I want him gone just can't see Jeff quitting him. 

 

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