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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
So did guys like Joakim Noah during one season.
General Malaise
Footballguy
were?
Kev4029
Footballguy
Some other bad ones - Oladipo in 17-18; Duncan (second to last seasons averaged 14/8/3) in 14-15; Goran Dragic, Al Jefferson (with a not-insignificant amount of votes); Ty Lawson and David Lee in 12-13; Stephen Jackson in 09-10.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Speaking of guys that need to put the ball in the basket, 3 times this week Robert Williams of the Celtics had defenders get out of the way because they didn't want to get dunked on and it was Timelord vs. no one at the rim . . . and on his way to the basket saw someone in the corner and kicked the ball out. He gave up free points, and each ended in scoreless possessions, as one time the player wasn't expecting the pass and the ball bounced out of bounds, one time someone clanked a three, and another time ended in a shot clock violation as there wasn't time to pass and shoot. I am not great at math, but a 100% chance of 2 points likely trumps a far lower chance of 3 points. Not sure why some players feel compelled not to shoot from point blank range.
Juxtatarot
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Nice little story about the Elam ending. I hope the NBA switches to some version of playing to a score for regular season games in the coming years. Or maybe even for that mid-season tournament they’ve been discussing? It’s so obviously an improvement for fans. All the fouling and intentionally dribbling out the clock at the end of games is not as fun as a game winning shot every game.
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'Somehow, someway, this concept was going to live': The radical idea that transformed the NBA All-Star Game
Here's the story of the game-changing concept that sparked the new All-Star format, and one man's mission to bring it to basketball's biggest stage.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Somehow once won two straight Eastern Conference Player of the Month. He was really fun in Charlotte.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
And when it involves him; it is 100x worse.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I'm not a Simmons lover, but his first three years he averaged 16-8-8 with 2 steals and a 56% eFG%, 3 all-star games, 2 all defense teams, ROY, and an all-NBA team. I don't think you would have been wrong to think he had the potential to be an MVP type player.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I think a lot of it was built around the "once he starts to make jumpshots" idea. This was with the assumption that he was psychologically normal and that, being a professional basketball player, he would work on shooting the basketball until he was good at it.
Capella
Footballguy
Some of us read the reports that he wasn’t willing to take advice or work on his game at all and thought that might be a red flag???
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Well there's that.
Certainly by year 3 it was clear he wasn't going to get to that level given that he had failed to make any improvements at all during those years. I'm not sure any player ever has put up 3 seasons that are so statistically identical to one another.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Nice little story about the Elam ending. I hope the NBA switches to some version of playing to a score for regular season games in the coming years. Or maybe even for that mid-season tournament they’ve been discussing? It’s so obviously an improvement for fans. All the fouling and intentionally dribbling out the clock at the end of games is not as fun as a game winning shot every game.
'Somehow, someway, this concept was going to live': The radical idea that transformed the NBA All-Star Game
Here's the story of the game-changing concept that sparked the new All-Star format, and one man's mission to bring it to basketball's biggest stage.
In my opinion the easiest solution is the best. Take whatever team is leading after the 3 quarters then add 30 to that score and the first team to that total wins.
Frostillicus
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Mavericks’ Kyrie Irving: “I don’t know who created the term ‘load management.’ … I don’t know who started the narrative but it’s completely run amok. I think it’s dehumanized some of us in terms of the way we prepare ourselves day to day. This is a 24/7 job.”
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He is delusional.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I hate so much that he's on this team. But...the basketball itself does look much more fun and exciting to watch now.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Wow McClung
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Dumb luck I stumbled into the dunk contest.
McClung is 10/10.
McClung is 10/10.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Incredible.
Ilov80s
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mr. furley
Footballguy
not even sure what he's trying to say
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think he just means that playing pro basketball isn't a job you clock in and out of. Just because a guy sits a game out, doesn't mean he isn't working. I also think he is saying it makes them sound like trucks with towing capacity or some machine that just needs the right number of days off to always be peak.
Encyclopedia Brown
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He has been the #1 Twitter trend for the last three hours.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
"Load Management" is a trick that players figured out to extend their careers, and to garner one last big payday if possible.
Back in the labor war during 2010 or so, Kevin Garnett gave a "passionate" speech to most of the players assembled about how he was loyal and sacrificed for the Timberwolves, and how he really got nothing in return and no one should ever be loyal again. Of course he failed to disclose he was the one who kept demanding the team figure out a way to get Joe Smith on the roster, thus inciting the huge scandal that cost the team half a decade of first round picks, and demanded guys like Marko Jaric and Troy Hudson be drafted. Along with many other personnel moves.
Chris Paul, when he had the keys to the players side of the NBPA, kept pushing for the Over 36 Rule to extend out to the Over 38 Rule ( which sets limits to the age profile for contract length, i.e. to prevent franchises from giving aging players contracts at lengths they know they can't reach, to essentially skirt around the cap and give those players more money across the aggregate in a contract but only for a year or two of actual play length)
Lots of these guys are dogging it. So they can stay healthy enough to produce at the right moments and spurts to garner one more big deal in their career.
Bill Simmons was the first to point out that the hyper aggressive play by Garnett probably cost him years off his total career, just like Shaq being out of shape for so long probably cost him 5 years of his prime and maybe another 2 years of longevity at the very end of his career.
Look at Steph Curry, that "Bubble Season" where the Warriors weren't even involved was basically a year off to heal, rest, recover and reset. And look how that second wind amped up his overall play, especially his defense. Michael Jordan got two years off to rest and he came back with even more tricks in his bag on offense to unleash on the league.
There's an unsettling "diva" attitude with lots of NBA players. Chris Paul signed a max deal with the Rockets at an age where everyone knew it would be a bad deal very soon. Then he still complained later that he didn't get to pick where he was going next in a trade. You can't have both. You can't have long term max contract security and not play with a team long enough to have a No Trade Clause, then whine about not having the freedom you want to pick a new team. Don't sign a max then.
League needs a pure hard cap and widespread use of non guaranteed contracts. League should have a new rule where players too injured to play for X amount of time need to go live and train and rehab in a league mandated centralized location under league management. You are force to clock in, rehab, and have 10 people staring over your shoulder all day. Make people dogging their injuries really be forced to play it out and act it out in the most pathetic way possible.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Most impressive thing was that all the dunks were just one attempt. Shame that one of the judges somehow gave him a 49 on one of the dunks
General Malaise
Footballguy
Dame winning the 3-point contest will be the high watermark this year for Blazers' fans. I'll take it.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I mean that last one was Vinsanity level.
I just think it is wild that he was G-league and the NBA NEEDED him for the contest so the Sixers had to sign him to a 2-way so that he was technically in the NBA.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I read as Kyrie saying " I am the smartest person on the planet so no one else has any idea what they are talking about and playing basketball is the most difficult job and the most important job in the world. "
He was already entered in the dunk contest and was going to be in it even if he didn't sign an NBA deal
Meh, 540's aren't that hard.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I thought he got all 50s on every one
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I sort of felt like Trey was better in the final round…
Maybe I became desensitized to Mac.
Maybe I became desensitized to Mac.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Lisa Leslie rated one of his 49. Like to see her try it.
I dunno man, the jump-over-a-guy-DOUBLE-pump-reverse was insane, and the 540 was even more insane. Very unique and difficult stuff.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Trey's dunks were very good too. Probably needed a little more of a hook to compete with the novelty of a 6'2" G-leaguer.
Galileo
Footballguy
I have just watched more of the NBA All star game than I have in the last 5 years combined. This is just a slam dunk contest with a few three pointers being taken from the parking lot mixed in.This draft is more entertaining than the game will be. Giannis just tried to draft Ja as a reserve.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I didn't see the draft live, but when I saw the rosters I wondered how LeBron got the top three MVP candidates on his team (Jokic/Embiid/Luka).
Zow
Footballguy
Jokic was picked second to last. I found that odd.
The General
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Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
Reggie Miller was pushing the narrative, "Oh my god, Lebron has all the bigs!". And I was seeing a lot of the same reaction about the terrible draft Giannis had. I was sitting there thinking, are people expecting Team Lebron to slow things down and run post ups all night? It's all about the guards and wings in the AS Game. I thought Giannis did great and learned a lot from his previous 2 drafts. Btw, Jokic is a fish out of water in this type of game, Markkanen was more useful given his outside shooting ability and the fact he was in front of his home crowd. People were reacting as though you're trying to build a real team to run half court sets and play defense which is silly.
Dr. Octopus
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I had so much faith in (and respect for) Giannis’ team building proclivity, I took the Team Giannis ML before the draft.
Kev4029
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Yeah, in the modern AS game format, Jokic isn't especially helpful or flashy. Plus, he's legitimately a little unhappy to be there.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah makes sense in hindsight. I just figured as a clear top three guy he’d go earlier out of respect.
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