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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)

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If the Heat win this series I may have to start an 80s cover band called Jimmy and The Scrubs. They looked great tonight. Huge W in Denver.

I don't think it fits anymore, Butler was great in the first couple rounds and for a couple games against the Celtics, but since the start of game four until now, he has been average at best.
Other than his 8 points and a clutch 3 in the 4th and his good D in every game no matter what. The narrative that you keep spouting off on Butler is just not there. If he has an off night shooting, he is making up for it somewhere else. They lose every game without his effort.
 
'Heat culture' and 'heart and soul' aren't really interchangeable terms...

I think Jimmy embodies the Heat culture

At least what I see and read about him

I think we're going to find out that his injured ankle is worse than what is being reported after this is all said and done.
 
Miami has allowed 7 players to score over 40 on them in the playoffs with spo as coach. The heat are 7-0 in those matchups.
Yup. Sure seems like a game plan to cede points from one guy and limit the others. Gotta think that the Nuggets work on Jokic distribution in game 3.
 
'Heat culture' and 'heart and soul' aren't really interchangeable terms...

I think Jimmy embodies the Heat culture

At least what I see and read about him

I think we're going to find out that his injured ankle is worse than what is being reported after this is all said and done.


Listen to Malone's own words. To call out your own team for 2 dog games in a row at home and question their effort to open the NBA Finals...that would not be my approach.
It sounds desperate IMHO, I doubt Spo would take that open approach thru the media and IMO it shows a stark contrast in coaching styles.
I am not pounding down on Malone, he had to get thru the Western Conference and endless hype on the opposition, Denver was practically the underdog the whole way
And now they are big time favorites, huge leads in both games and yet it's 1-1 going back to Miami.
Maybe the huge leads do indicate how much better Denver is and the head coach is simply frustrated they missed an opportunity to hit the gas

-Up 15 in the 1st H
Had a decent lead in the 3rd Q
Up 8 entering the 4th and then...
It was 29-12 Heat in the 4th Q before Denver roars back
They almost pushed it into OT

You can look at both games and say the Heat should be up 2-0, but they couldn't hit a shot in Game 1 and had wide open looks
You also can look at both games and say Denver should be crushing the Heat up 2-0 and ready to sweep them in Miami.
Still feels like Denver is the better team, Miami is playing on heart and strong defense, very physical in Game 2.
 
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Anyone who think the refs were in it for the heat really weren’t watching this game. The phantom foul on the three pointer for joker, the nuggets murdering Vincent all night with no calls, joker pushing off time and time again with no whistle. It all evens out.

honest NBA question for those who can give me an answer: miami flies home after this game red eye style. does denver fly tonight as well? Bc of the time difference and when you get in does the home team sleep in their beds tonight, practice in Denver tomorrow or just fly to Miami after the game as well? Just curious.
With no dog in it, i thought the "phantom foul" was yet another idiotic broadcast team mistake. Looked like Adebayo clearly impeded the elbow and Jokic's arm moved kinda weird.

I say this as someone whose only goal for these finals was "I hope Boston doesn't win I don;t want to hear my favorite podcasters talk about it" LOL
 
Anyone who think the refs were in it for the heat really weren’t watching this game. The phantom foul on the three pointer for joker, the nuggets murdering Vincent all night with no calls, joker pushing off time and time again with no whistle. It all evens out.

honest NBA question for those who can give me an answer: miami flies home after this game red eye style. does denver fly tonight as well? Bc of the time difference and when you get in does the home team sleep in their beds tonight, practice in Denver tomorrow or just fly to Miami after the game as well? Just curious.
With no dog in it, i thought the "phantom foul" was yet another idiotic broadcast team mistake. Looked like Adebayo clearly impeded the elbow and Jokic's arm moved kinda weird.

I say this as someone whose only goal for these finals was "I hope Boston doesn't win I don;t want to hear my favorite podcasters talk about it" LOL

Yes...pretty sure there was no phantom in that foul

Hit the elbow
 
Anyone who think the refs were in it for the heat really weren’t watching this game. The phantom foul on the three pointer for joker, the nuggets murdering Vincent all night with no calls, joker pushing off time and time again with no whistle. It all evens out.

honest NBA question for those who can give me an answer: miami flies home after this game red eye style. does denver fly tonight as well? Bc of the time difference and when you get in does the home team sleep in their beds tonight, practice in Denver tomorrow or just fly to Miami after the game as well? Just curious.
With no dog in it, i thought the "phantom foul" was yet another idiotic broadcast team mistake. Looked like Adebayo clearly impeded the elbow and Jokic's arm moved kinda weird.

I say this as someone whose only goal for these finals was "I hope Boston doesn't win I don;t want to hear my favorite podcasters talk about it" LOL
Bam hit the elbow, don't think the Heat challenged
Again, i didn't see the Refs make any wild calls throughout the night.
 
I'm still baffled at Duncan Robinson just killing it this playoffs.

There was a point this season where he was out of the rotation.
Bet $50 on the over on him for in games 2-7 vs BOS. It's almost always set at 8 pts. He went over on on 5 of those 6 games. Haven't bet him yet in this series but I wanted to.
 
If the Heat win this series I may have to start an 80s cover band called Jimmy and The Scrubs. They looked great tonight. Huge W in Denver.

I don't think it fits anymore, Butler was great in the first couple rounds and for a couple games against the Celtics, but since the start of game four until now, he has been average at best.
Other than his 8 points and a clutch 3 in the 4th and his good D in every game no matter what. The narrative that you keep spouting off on Butler is just not there. If he has an off night shooting, he is making up for it somewhere else. They lose every game without his effort.

In his last 9 games he has had 2 great games, 2 decent games and 5 sub par games. Butler has set a high standard as playoff Jimmy and it is okay to say he hasn't lived up to it lately.
 
Despite Ramona getting Shelburned by Spo
She had a nice column on Jimmy Butler and what he did after Game 1.


Nice job taking the high road because I did really enjoy Spo shaming her, have never been a big fan of hers, shocker!
 
All the Nuggets except Jokic are having a bad night.
Heat playing excellent defense tonight….that may have a little something to do with it.

What does the Miami defense have to do with KCP and Porter playing like idiots on defense?
Their defense won this game for them you kidding me???

Wut? I was talking about how poorly KCP and Porter played on defense. How does correlate to Miami's defense?
Gotcha….I misinterpreted your post. Mine was simply how we did play great defense which was a big part of why we won. Also balanced scoring across the board and we shot exponentially better in game 2 compared to game one.
 
If the Heat win this series I may have to start an 80s cover band called Jimmy and The Scrubs. They looked great tonight. Huge W in Denver.

I don't think it fits anymore, Butler was great in the first couple rounds and for a couple games against the Celtics, but since the start of game four until now, he has been average at best.

LOL at average at best. He's the heart and soul of that team.
He is and again…I love him but he has not been anything like the guy thru game 3 of the Boston series. He is deferring way too much.

I think that ankle he sprained …..has taken away his first step explosion which he had prior to turning it. Just an observation.

He is at his best when he is driving and getting to the line. He averaged 9 FT’s a game….have not seen that since game 3 vs the Celtics.

The Heat’s role players carried our team the rest of the Celtics series and (Martin was my MVP)…..games 1 and 2 has been all about Bam so far.

If Jimmy plays like pre game 5-6 Celtics Jimmy we have a punchers chance.

He played good last night….better than he has in a bit….I hope we get back the guy who carried us for 2 and a half series.

And Tyler Herro is back game 3…..oh boy.
 
Anyone who think the refs were in it for the heat really weren’t watching this game. The phantom foul on the three pointer for joker, the nuggets murdering Vincent all night with no calls, joker pushing off time and time again with no whistle. It all evens out.

honest NBA question for those who can give me an answer: miami flies home after this game red eye style. does denver fly tonight as well? Bc of the time difference and when you get in does the home team sleep in their beds tonight, practice in Denver tomorrow or just fly to Miami after the game as well? Just curious.
With no dog in it, i thought the "phantom foul" was yet another idiotic broadcast team mistake. Looked like Adebayo clearly impeded the elbow and Jokic's arm moved kinda weird.

I say this as someone whose only goal for these finals was "I hope Boston doesn't win I don;t want to hear my favorite podcasters talk about it" LOL
Bam hit the elbow, don't think the Heat challenged
Again, i didn't see the Refs make any wild calls throughout the night.
Honestly that was the only “bad” call I saw against the Heat last night. I saw air on the replay and no contact.

Maybe my eyes are too old….who knows but it was a big call in the grand scheme.
 
I think that last basket was from an undrafted player
The "undrafted player" conversation is off base in so many ways. The top 60 players each year don't get drafted, mainly because players and agents swing their power to NOT get selected that after the first 35-40 picks.

Austin Reeves with the Lakers is a good example. Yes, he's overachieved and exceeded expectations, but he was a definite 2nd round pick that "fell" to undrafted because he and his representation choose to do so.

Another reason I'd like to see the draft go to 3 rounds each year. Give more organizational continuity to the G league and put more value back into the 2nd round. Can't wait for OKC to start collecting 3rd round picks!


Jokic was hit harder on every drive than some of the touch fouls they gave Miami.
Not Joker or game 2 specific, but the amount of physical play allowed to guard big players by smaller players inside is ridiculous. Then those smalls get rewarded with flopping a lot on top of it. This is one big reason why switching defenses can work - the bigs have a much harder time exploiting those mismatches because of the way those mismatches are officiated.


I am not even sure Porter knew what day it was.
Porter thought it was pina colada day! 😄
 
Jokic was hit harder on every drive than some of the touch fouls they gave Miami.
Not Joker or game 2 specific, but the amount of physical play allowed to guard big players by smaller players inside is ridiculous. Then those smalls get rewarded with flopping a lot on top of it. This is one big reason why switching defenses can work - the bigs have a much harder time exploiting those mismatches because of the way those mismatches are officiated.

Sure. The flip side is that ever since Shaq entered the league, officials have allowed bigs to just barrel into smaller players. It’s an accepted style of play now, but really that should be an offensive foul almost every time it happens. I wish the league would go back to officiating in a way that offensive players have to use quickness and agility to go around defenders, instead of simply using mass to slam through them. Until that logical step happens, smaller guys will flop because it is their only feasible path to combat stupid NBA rules.
 
also no one is actually from atlanta it is all transplants 37 percent of the city is not from georgia so they dont give a rip take that to the bank brohans

Yep - meant to include that but you are right there’s a lot of transplants. Most people I talk to are shocked to find out I’ve been here my entire life - there’s not a lot of those, especially inside the perimeter.

Where do they all go?

The metro area has been growing rapidly for decades. Metro area population by year:

1950: 513,000
1960: 776,000
1970: 1,182,000
1980: 1,625,000
1990: 2,184,000
2000: 3,522,000
2010: 4,544,000
2020: 5,803,000

That’s a crazy growth rate. We’re talking in the 30-50% range for most decades. So it isn’t that most people are going anywhere — it’s that they are predominantly migrating from somewhere else and relocating to Atlanta. Small towns in the south looking for employment and northerners escaping the cold.


Yikes. I had no idea. I grew up in ATL, spent my first 2+ decades there, left, and have only been back a handful of times. No wonder it seems so crowded.

In contrast, Honolulu went from ~250 to 910K over that span, and the entire US 148 to 340 million.

Also, had no idea soccer was a thing in ATL.
 
Honestly that was the only “bad” call I saw against the Heat last night. I saw air on the replay and no contact.

Maybe my eyes are too old….who knows but it was a big call in the grand scheme.
The no call on the goal tending was bad. It looked like it at the time and on every replay. Ball was clearly moving downward and they have to get those right at this level. It wasn't borderline at all.

There were also 3 very close out of bounds plays that all went against the Nuggets in a short span. After watching replays, 2 of them were clearly off the Heat player. I know that the refs want to get those right, but have to have a feel/guess in real time. It was just really bad luck to lose all three of them. I don't remember the results of the next plays after the calls, but likely led to a few points.

I still am not convinced there wasn't any contact to Joker on that 3. He air-balled it and Adebayo clearly didn't contact the ball at all, but there was no angle that definitively showed space between Joker's arm and Bam's hand the whole shot. I couldn't tell how quick the whistle was, but the shot result may have influenced the call.

Outside of those plays, there were some judgement calls/no-calls on fouls that could have easily gone either way, but that was for both teams. It seemed like Joker was getting bumped a lot and I still get annoyed at the illegal screens set regularly. I think Bam did get called for 2 of those. As long as they are consistent on those, I'm OK with it. I remember Jokic almost killing Vincent on a hard screen he didn't know was coming.

Refs did a good job overall, but I think a handful of questionable calls seemed to all go against Denver.
 
If the Heat win this series I may have to start an 80s cover band called Jimmy and The Scrubs. They looked great tonight. Huge W in Denver.

I don't think it fits anymore, Butler was great in the first couple rounds and for a couple games against the Celtics, but since the start of game four until now, he has been average at best.
Other than his 8 points and a clutch 3 in the 4th and his good D in every game no matter what. The narrative that you keep spouting off on Butler is just not there. If he has an off night shooting, he is making up for it somewhere else. They lose every game without his effort.

Yeah, I don't get it either. I'm a neutral party here and just enjoying the great play. Either msu is just a Jimmy hater or he isn't watching the same game.
 
If the Heat win this series I may have to start an 80s cover band called Jimmy and The Scrubs. They looked great tonight. Huge W in Denver.

I don't think it fits anymore, Butler was great in the first couple rounds and for a couple games against the Celtics, but since the start of game four until now, he has been average at best.
Other than his 8 points and a clutch 3 in the 4th and his good D in every game no matter what. The narrative that you keep spouting off on Butler is just not there. If he has an off night shooting, he is making up for it somewhere else. They lose every game without his effort.

Yeah, I don't get it either. I'm a neutral party here and just enjoying the great play. Either msu is just a Jimmy hater or he isn't watching the same game.
I have a filter for comments like "average at best"

I think when most people see "average at best" they equate that to mean "average NBA player", which is obviously far from the target.

But my filter changes this to read "average for Jimmy Butler". When used like that, it is more accurate imo.
 
Honestly that was the only “bad” call I saw against the Heat last night. I saw air on the replay and no contact.

Maybe my eyes are too old….who knows but it was a big call in the grand scheme.
The no call on the goal tending was bad. It looked like it at the time and on every replay. Ball was clearly moving downward and they have to get those right at this level. It wasn't borderline at all.

There were also 3 very close out of bounds plays that all went against the Nuggets in a short span. After watching replays, 2 of them were clearly off the Heat player. I know that the refs want to get those right, but have to have a feel/guess in real time. It was just really bad luck to lose all three of them. I don't remember the results of the next plays after the calls, but likely led to a few points.

I still am not convinced there wasn't any contact to Joker on that 3. He air-balled it and Adebayo clearly didn't contact the ball at all, but there was no angle that definitively showed space between Joker's arm and Bam's hand the whole shot. I couldn't tell how quick the whistle was, but the shot result may have influenced the call.

Outside of those plays, there were some judgement calls/no-calls on fouls that could have easily gone either way, but that was for both teams. It seemed like Joker was getting bumped a lot and I still get annoyed at the illegal screens set regularly. I think Bam did get called for 2 of those. As long as they are consistent on those, I'm OK with it. I remember Jokic almost killing Vincent on a hard screen he didn't know was coming.

Refs did a good job overall, but I think a handful of questionable calls seemed to all go against Denver.
……except for the Jokic flop when midget Kyle Lowry shoved him to the floor with the flick of a wrist.
 
Honestly that was the only “bad” call I saw against the Heat last night. I saw air on the replay and no contact.

Maybe my eyes are too old….who knows but it was a big call in the grand scheme.
The no call on the goal tending was bad. It looked like it at the time and on every replay. Ball was clearly moving downward and they have to get those right at this level. It wasn't borderline at all.

There were also 3 very close out of bounds plays that all went against the Nuggets in a short span. After watching replays, 2 of them were clearly off the Heat player. I know that the refs want to get those right, but have to have a feel/guess in real time. It was just really bad luck to lose all three of them. I don't remember the results of the next plays after the calls, but likely led to a few points.

I still am not convinced there wasn't any contact to Joker on that 3. He air-balled it and Adebayo clearly didn't contact the ball at all, but there was no angle that definitively showed space between Joker's arm and Bam's hand the whole shot. I couldn't tell how quick the whistle was, but the shot result may have influenced the call.

Outside of those plays, there were some judgement calls/no-calls on fouls that could have easily gone either way, but that was for both teams. It seemed like Joker was getting bumped a lot and I still get annoyed at the illegal screens set regularly. I think Bam did get called for 2 of those. As long as they are consistent on those, I'm OK with it. I remember Jokic almost killing Vincent on a hard screen he didn't know was coming.

Refs did a good job overall, but I think a handful of questionable calls seemed to all go against Denver.
……except for the Jokic flop when midget Kyle Lowry shoved him to the floor with the flick of a wrist.
Last night in terms of NBA officiating......it was more solid than I had seen in game one. Calls went both ways. Bad calls for both teams......the less involved the ref’s are in the game the better. Simple as that.

I also agree about the steamrolling big guys are allowed to do in the league......just ridiculous where the game has evolved to. That’s the Lebron effect. And Miami was a beneficiary of it for four of it’s seven title runs.

If you are gonna allow clearly bigger guys to just shove and push off at will you have to let smaller guys get physical too. You know.....1990’s basketball. Which was the best era ever in the Association. So I am ok if it goes both ways.

Anyway......I was not screaming at the TV last night.....only two really bad calls I thought were the flop by Joker and the supposed foul on Bam for that three.....I still have not seen an angle that shows he clearly touched him. Again.....who knows. My eyes are 53 years old.

Some questionable out of bounds calls as well.....I can see that.

What decided this game was Miami’s outstanding 4th quarter, defense and big time shots from Duncan Robinson, one from Jimmy one from Martin and several from Bam. They simply played a better game.

1-1

We got a series.
 
If the Heat win this series I may have to start an 80s cover band called Jimmy and The Scrubs. They looked great tonight. Huge W in Denver.

I don't think it fits anymore, Butler was great in the first couple rounds and for a couple games against the Celtics, but since the start of game four until now, he has been average at best.
Other than his 8 points and a clutch 3 in the 4th and his good D in every game no matter what. The narrative that you keep spouting off on Butler is just not there. If he has an off night shooting, he is making up for it somewhere else. They lose every game without his effort.

Yeah, I don't get it either. I'm a neutral party here and just enjoying the great play. Either msu is just a Jimmy hater or he isn't watching the same game.
I have a filter for comments like "average at best"

I think when most people see "average at best" they equate that to mean "average NBA player", which is obviously far from the target.

But my filter changes this to read "average for Jimmy Butler". When used like that, it is more accurate imo.

I guess that's a good rule of thumb. Jimmy hasn't been playing like MJ in his prime for a few games so now he's average at best.
 
I’m disappointed we haven’t had any THJ + Bertans + Bullock for LeBron trade scenarios suggested here yet.

I’m assuming this was just Kyrie saying he’s not taking a discount to join the Lakers as a FA.
 
honest NBA question for those who can give me an answer: miami flies home after this game red eye style. does denver fly tonight as well? Bc of the time difference and when you get in does the home team sleep in their beds tonight, practice in Denver tomorrow or just fly to Miami after the game as well? Just curious.
Was wondering this myself. With the next game not until Wednesday I’d say no way Denver flew to Miami after the game. I assume they took off today.
 
I’m disappointed we haven’t had any THJ + Bertans + Bullock for LeBron trade scenarios suggested here yet.

I’m assuming this was just Kyrie saying he’s not taking a discount to join the Lakers as a FA.
frankly, i would give up that much for a player clearly on the downside of his career.

maybe a couple 3rd round picks Silver has been talking about, but why mortgage the future for a bench player like Lebron?
 
Nuggets this Postseason
Pace= Poessessions/48 minutes

1st Rd vs MIN PPG-114 Pace 94.1
2nd Rd vs PHX PPG-117 Pace 96.6
3rd Rd vs LAL PPG-118 Pace 95.7
Finals vs MIA. PPG-106. Pace 89.2

It shows Miami is playing better defense than anything Denver has seen to this point
Can the Heat continue to do this?
 
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The Miami Heat are 7-3 Straight up as 7+ PT Underdogs this post season where the rest of the NBA is 5-16

Nuggets when leading by 5+ AFTER 3 Quarters, these would be home games w/Jokic
29-1 on the season with the 1st loss coming at the hands of the Miami Heat

And 1 more that I do not know is a fact but I'm pretty sure I heard this today
Denver is 3-7 and maybe the record is even worse when Jokic does not make at least 6 assists in a game.
 
Take this for what its worth but this comes from a twitter user names Let's go to the Phones "Which is a line from a local sports talk station" and they've been right on a lot of Philly sports stuff. A friend of his was at dinner tonight and not a sports guy ended up sitting next to who would be Tobias Harris agent discussing a phone call with Tobias. For those who don't know Tobias father is his agent. This guys buddy was amused by the lack of discretion on all of this and found it amusing.

Summary of the convo was apparently this

1. Tobias will be traded

2. 76ers are very likely to Resign Harden.
 
Take this for what its worth but this comes from a twitter user names Let's go to the Phones "Which is a line from a local sports talk station" and they've been right on a lot of Philly sports stuff. A friend of his was at dinner tonight and not a sports guy ended up sitting next to who would be Tobias Harris agent discussing a phone call with Tobias. For those who don't know Tobias father is his agent. This guys buddy was amused by the lack of discretion on all of this and found it amusing.

Summary of the convo was apparently this

1. Tobias will be traded

2. 76ers are very likely to Resign Harden.
Tobias Harris over me? - Jimmy Butler
 
Take this for what its worth but this comes from a twitter user names Let's go to the Phones "Which is a line from a local sports talk station" and they've been right on a lot of Philly sports stuff. A friend of his was at dinner tonight and not a sports guy ended up sitting next to who would be Tobias Harris agent discussing a phone call with Tobias. For those who don't know Tobias father is his agent. This guys buddy was amused by the lack of discretion on all of this and found it amusing.

Summary of the convo was apparently this

1. Tobias will be traded

2. 76ers are very likely to Resign Harden.

Isn't Toby and his contract, right now...something you'd have to give picks with to get away from unless there's some big jamoke making the same salary at the end of someone's bench?

I'd imagine at the trading deadline, when teams are looking for talent, is when you'd be able to get something for Harris.
 
Take this for what its worth but this comes from a twitter user names Let's go to the Phones "Which is a line from a local sports talk station" and they've been right on a lot of Philly sports stuff. A friend of his was at dinner tonight and not a sports guy ended up sitting next to who would be Tobias Harris agent discussing a phone call with Tobias. For those who don't know Tobias father is his agent. This guys buddy was amused by the lack of discretion on all of this and found it amusing.

Summary of the convo was apparently this

1. Tobias will be traded

2. 76ers are very likely to Resign Harden.

Isn't Toby and his contract, right now...something you'd have to give picks with to get away from unless there's some big jamoke making the same salary at the end of someone's bench?

I'd imagine at the trading deadline, when teams are looking for talent, is when you'd be able to get something for Harris.
Yeah, but it was a Twitter users friend who overheard someone’s dad having a conversation on the phone at a restaurant, so it must be real.
 
Take this for what its worth but this comes from a twitter user names Let's go to the Phones "Which is a line from a local sports talk station" and they've been right on a lot of Philly sports stuff. A friend of his was at dinner tonight and not a sports guy ended up sitting next to who would be Tobias Harris agent discussing a phone call with Tobias. For those who don't know Tobias father is his agent. This guys buddy was amused by the lack of discretion on all of this and found it amusing.

Summary of the convo was apparently this

1. Tobias will be traded

2. 76ers are very likely to Resign Harden.

Isn't Toby and his contract, right now...something you'd have to give picks with to get away from unless there's some big jamoke making the same salary at the end of someone's bench?

I'd imagine at the trading deadline, when teams are looking for talent, is when you'd be able to get something for Harris.

I don't know about the rumors, but Harris has a lot of value this year. He is an expiring deals and can also help you win if you are a contender. If Philly traded him they wouldn't have to attach anything to it.
 
Listen to Malone's own words. To call out your own team for 2 dog games in a row at home and question their effort to open the NBA Finals...that would not be my approach.
It sounds desperate IMHO, I doubt Spo would take that open approach thru the media and IMO it shows a stark contrast in coaching styles.
I am not pounding down on Malone, he had to get thru the Western Conference and endless hype on the opposition, Denver was practically the underdog the whole way
And now they are big time favorites, huge leads in both games and yet it's 1-1 going back to Miami.
Maybe the huge leads do indicate how much better Denver is and the head coach is simply frustrated they missed an opportunity to hit the gas
Malone is just fine. Comments like these and similar from the media only reflect an ignorance and lack of familiarity with Malone's coaching style. He has frequently pounded the team publicly (but never specific individuals) for being complacent/unfocused/lazy, which is well-known to be the Nuggets' Achilles heel.

And if you think what he said after game 2 was "desperate" (Lol), just do some research from earlier in the season and prior years.

From the first week of the season...

“We were embarrassing tonight,” head coach Michael Malone said after the Nuggets’ recent blowout 135-110 loss at the Portland Trail Blazers. “It was a poor effort after that first quarter, did not defend at all. We can’t guard one-on-one right now at all.”

“We gave up 60-plus points in the paint, we gave up 48 points off threes, we put them on the foul line 31 times, they had 20-plus in transition,” Malone lamented, checking off box after box on a fairly exhaustive list of defensive transgressions the Nuggets committed against Portland.

“We did zero defensively tonight.”
 
Take this for what its worth but this comes from a twitter user names Let's go to the Phones "Which is a line from a local sports talk station" and they've been right on a lot of Philly sports stuff. A friend of his was at dinner tonight and not a sports guy ended up sitting next to who would be Tobias Harris agent discussing a phone call with Tobias. For those who don't know Tobias father is his agent. This guys buddy was amused by the lack of discretion on all of this and found it amusing.

Summary of the convo was apparently this

1. Tobias will be traded

2. 76ers are very likely to Resign Harden.

Isn't Toby and his contract, right now...something you'd have to give picks with to get away from unless there's some big jamoke making the same salary at the end of someone's bench?

I'd imagine at the trading deadline, when teams are looking for talent, is when you'd be able to get something for Harris.
Yeah, but it was a Twitter users friend who overheard someone’s dad having a conversation on the phone at a restaurant, so it must be real.
I've been on the fence but I think DJax's many inside scoops and sources often provide an unintentional comedic element to the thread.
 
I don't know about the rumors, but Harris has a lot of value this year. He is an expiring deals and can also help you win if you are a contender. If Philly traded him they wouldn't have to attach anything to it.
Harris is a fine player and can help teams, but he makes 39 million dollars, which means he is overpaid by like 20 million. Nobody is giving up anything for him besides equally bad money. And if PHI wants to net something positive in trading him, they will have to attach something
 
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