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2022 FBG, 172 to 1 Beatles Countdown 1-25 lists... And 173 to 1 Countdown from 1-64 lists! (2 Viewers)

Guido Merkins said:
What is really cool about the Beatles is that they hit upon an idea like using a volume pedal for the song, then you almost never hear it again.  It's like they think, "we did that already, let's move on."  They do tape loops on Tomorrow Never Knows and only go back to it like a couple more times 1 or 2 years later.

People make entire careers out of one trick they discover.  The Beatles just move on....
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Nobody could ever call them a one trick pony. Maybe a unicorn though.

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Guido's is actually my favorite pizza place in Boise.

:pokey:  @jamny
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Coming from New Haven, I am not sure I want to even know what pizza is like in Boise. That's not a knock on pizza in Boise, but a shout out to the pizza mecca known as New Haven. Their pizza is in the Top 3 on just about every ranking in the country. Many times, I have driven well out of my way to swing by for a pie to eat there and one for the road. I will admit that I have driven from my house to go out for pizza there. It's three hours each way. The definition of YUM.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Coming from New Haven, I am not sure I want to even know what pizza is like in Boise. That's not a knock on pizza in Boise, but a shout out to the pizza mecca known as New Haven. Their pizza is in the Top 3 on just about every ranking in the country. Many times, I have driven well out of my way to swing by for a pie to eat there and one for the road. I will admit that I have driven from my house to go out for pizza there. It's three hours each way. The definition of YUM.
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It's NY style.  Pretty sure the owners are from NY

 
BobbyLayne said:
Is there a 2500 mile water pipeline?
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The water here is much, much better. 

Nothing beats a meal at any hole in the wall place in NY though.

There's a lot of authentic places to eat here from all over the world. It's quite surprising.  Jamny is the expert now on that as he lives downtown.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Coming from New Haven, I am not sure I want to even know what pizza is like in Boise. That's not a knock on pizza in Boise, but a shout out to the pizza mecca known as New Haven. Their pizza is in the Top 3 on just about every ranking in the country. Many times, I have driven well out of my way to swing by for a pie to eat there and one for the road. I will admit that I have driven from my house to go out for pizza there. It's three hours each way. The definition of YUM.
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Chew on a piece of Sally’s apizza pie

drop down

drop down

oh, this isn’t the Led Zeppelin thread?? Carry on…

 
I just clicked on a link ranking the best pizza joints in the country. New Haven has #1, 7, and 20. I personally like the #20 spot the best, but the place at the top was #1 three years in a row. The #7 place also makes a fine piece of pie. Definitely this was the wrong topic to discuss. I had no lunch and am starving. Now all I can think about is pizza. Hmmm. I am headed that direction this weekend. 

 
Getzlaf15 said:
The water here is much, much better. 

Nothing beats a meal at any hole in the wall place in NY though.

There's a lot of authentic places to eat here from all over the world. It's quite surprising.  Jamny is the expert now on that as he lives downtown.
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Yes he’s done his best in the New York to induce our envy throughout the pandemic 😷 

I find it hilarious everyone attributes everything tasting better (bagels, pizza, et al) solely due to our amazing water 

 
I've had New Haven style pizza, but never in New Haven.  It's my favorite style, followed by Detroit, and then New York.  Chicago-style pizza is casserole so doesn't count, even though it's delicious.

 
krista4 said:
Ringo,  Paul, and the ghost of John came over and mediated a solution between management and me.  Apologies for the work stoppage.

I'm back.
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We bought Yoko her own pack of digestive biscuits and we gave her a chair so she doesn't sit on anybody's amp......

We also decided to drop the idea of a TV show.  Still exploring options of a live concert somewhere.  Maybe Libya......

 
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Anarchy99 said:
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Didn’t realize it’s a couple years old, but I know the #1 place (Pepe’s) stayed at #1. It’s nearly impossible to get in. There’s been times I tried well before it even opened and the line was already around the block. 
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When I said I've had New Haven style but not in New Haven, I was talking about Piece in Chicago (I lived a block or so away for seven years), and it came in at #21 on the list!  Right after a real New Haven joint.  Cool!

 
Anarchy99 said:
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Didn’t realize it’s a couple years old, but I know the #1 place (Pepe’s) stayed at #1. It’s nearly impossible to get in. There’s been times I tried well before it even opened and the line was already around the block. 
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There are a couple of spots in New Orleans on this list, which is surprising.  I'll have to try them.  I have a few local spots that I like, but it never occurs to me that they belong on a list with places in New York or Chicago....

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Free As A Bird
2022 Ranking: 167T
2022 Lists: 1
2022 Points: 4
Ranked Highest by: Krista/Mom/Hub
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: NR

Getz comments:  Video has 26 million views on YT since 2016.  That's amazing.

Krista4
 

My 2019 ranking:  N/A

2019 write-up:  N/A

2022 Supplement:  One of two songs that I allowed on the list this time, together with “Real Love.”  Guido is going to provide the detailed background on how this one came to be, so I’ll skip that and just say that I happen to love this song.  Sure, it’s sort of “cheating” to me to put it on the list, since it came out well after John’s death (and won a Grammy in 1997!), but they all did contribute to this song that John had originally recorded in 1977.  Ringo has said that in the sessions for these songs, instead of feeling maudlin, the other three Beatles just pretended that John was there with them but had simply stepped out for lunch or for a cup of tea.  A lot of people don’t like the bridge that Paul added, but I think it’s sweet and lovely, just like the sentiment that Ringo expressed.

I wasn’t sure if this would get any votes but am glad it did, in part because I look forward to discussing it.

Guido Merkins

In 1995, the Beatles were back.  The Anthology was a huge project and the Beatles had 3 straight nights of network TV enthralled watching their story as told by them.  

At first, there was going to be no new music as John’s death left the Beatles incomplete.  But George had this idea based upon something that had happened when he was with the Wilbury’s and Roy Orbison died.  He thought to ask Yoko if there were any unfinished John songs they could work on.

Out of that, came 4 different songs.  The most compete was Real Love, but next was a song called Free As A Bird, which was mostly complete, but maybe needed a bridge.

So, the Threetles got together with producer Jeff Lynne (George Martin had declined) to see if they could work on the new song.  Emotions being what they were, they decided they would pretend that John had gone on holiday and asked them to finish it up.  Much technical work was needed to make the cassette demo recording of John suitable for adding overdubs, but they did it and started to build it.

Some people were very disappointed by Free As A Bird.  I always liked it.  I will agree that the bridge Paul wrote (whatever happened to, the life that we once knew) was kind of cheesy.  But I like the fact that both Paul and George get to sing it which is how I would like to think of the Beatles if they had continued, more democratic.  George had earned that much.  I also LOVE George’s solo.  It’s his slide sound, which at first made Paul nervous because he wanted it to sound like the Beatles, not My Sweet Lord, but somehow George uses the slide and it sounds like the Beatles, not solo George.  And even without John there, the harmonies are magical.  Ringo heard the playback and thought, “it sounds just like them.”  So, even with John there only on tape, the Beatles showed up, as we always assumed they would.

The absolute best part of the song, however, is the accompanying video.  It’s a treat for a Beatles nut like me to try and pick out all the Beatles references.  It’s great fun and I would highly recommend it.
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I would’ve considered voting for this one if they hadn’t included that silly, backward “turned out nice again” in the fade out.

 
Rocky Raccoon
2022 Ranking: 165
2022 Lists: 2
2022 Points: 5
Ranked Highest by: @Just Win BabyKrista/TJ/Slug
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 83T/2/24

Getz: Two had it at #14 in 2019.   :eek:   It was tied for last with one point until the 66th (of 71) list came in from Just Win Baby. I miss Nipsey.

Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  113

2019 write-up:

Rocky Raccoon (White Album, 1968)

I like that Paul tried to do a cowboy song.  It's charming.  Love the harmonica.  Beautiful vocal.  Sweet little encapsulated story, even though I find some of the lyrics grating and forced:  Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lil, but everyone knew her as Nancy.  But I dock this song a full 50 slots solely because I HATE the fake drawl at the beginning.  Somewhere earlier in the thread @Uruk-Hai pointed out that Paul and John needed to edit themselves better sometimes.  I think Paul just needed a best friend to tell him not to do this ####, and during the White Album years John was not that best friend, nor was anyone else.  I can't fully express how much I love/hate this song, with probably more mixed feelings about it than any other in their repertoire.    

Mr. krista does not have mixed feelings:  "I hate that he can’t resist to throw in a jaunty piano part.  The fake cowboy drawl is ludicrous.  It’s as bad as an American singing in an affected British accent.  I hate that it seems C/W/blues/folk – these are American forms, and it seems like he’s making fun of it.  He’s not, but it seems smug.  It really really bothers me.  You don’t fully understand this #### so leave it the #### alone.  It’s like Willie Nelson trying to play the Sex Pistols – Willie, leave it alone.  It’s not your jam.  Or Miles Davis playing…well, Miles Davis probably could."
 

Rocky Raccoon:  I forgot that I got a Mr. krista 2022 updated comment on this one last night!

"I'll listen to it again, but I'm pretty sure it still ####### blows."

Suggested covers:  Eddie Vedder & Jack Johnson  This version, lacking a fake cowboy accent, would be ranked much, much higher on my list.  Lena Horne (thanks to @Eephus for this one).  FFA's own Nipsey.

2022 Supplement:  WTAF was I thinking with that ranking?  I apologize to FBG, my family and RL friends, the Beatles, raccoons, Bullwinkle, and Magill who called herself Lil but everyone knew as Nancy.  Sheesh.

I recently bought the massive two-volume set, “The Lyrics,” which was edited together based on hours of interviews by Paul Muldoon with Paul McCartney over a five-year period from 2015-2020.  It’s a fascinating look at the creative process, and I can’t recommend it enough, but one disappointing aspect has been that some songs I’d very much like to know more about are omitted while some real head-scratchers were included.  In the “R”s, there is only one listing:  Rocky Raccoon.  Here’s a bit of how Paul describes this abomination of a song:

“I was doing a bit of a spoof on records I’d heard, kind of talking blues songs.  Bob Dylan was doing that kind of thing. …  I just dreamt up a character called ‘Rocky Raccoon,’ because of Davy Crockett and his raccoon cap.  … I saw the TV show, but my main thing was the song:  ‘Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier.’  It was quite a cool song. …I just started imagining this little story, and for me it’s like going on a train ride of the mind.  … I was doing it sort of tongue-in-cheek…black humour.”  [By the way, Paul has for years said that the song was originally called “Rocky Sassoon,” which doesn’t comport with this particular Davy Crockett memory, but Paul’s smoked a lot of dope through the years.]

Paul also explains some specific bits of the song.  The Gideon Bible had fascinated him because they saw them in the US hotels and had never seen anything like that in England.  The doctor stinking of gin came from an actual experience of falling off a moped in Liverpool and needing stitches on his lip, and the doctor arrived indeed stinking of gin and had to give it two tries before he got the stitches down, which left Paul with a bump on his lip for quite a while.  Paul grew a mustache to hide the bump, and then the other Beatles did, which I think is a funny little story about how they evolved into one of their signature looks. 

Wait a second!  Paul fell off a moped and hit his head before composing this song??  It all makes sense now!

Paul has never performed this song live but says he might sometime because so many people request it.  WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??

Guido Merkins

Paul loved to write stories about people (boring people doing boring things, I believe it what Lennon said.)  John used to kind of belittle Paul for it, but it’s something that’s in his songwriting DNA, which leads me to believe Paul may have been a decent playwright. 

Anyway, one of his character songs is on the White Album called Rocky Racoon.  Paul was writing a little western story in a song, so he came up with names like Rocky Racoon and McGill and Lil and Nancy.  The doctor “stinking of gin” was something that actually happened to Paul when he fell off his moped in 1966 a doctor who had been drinking stitched him up.  The story of the gunfight was out of every western and the detail about “Gideon’s bible” is pure McCartney.  A detail that means nothing, except it seems to hint at some hidden meaning.

The song ends rather abruptly almost like Paul had more, but wasn’t quite sure, so he just ended it.  It’s not a major piece of work, or even a great piece of work, but in the patchwork that is the White Album, it somehow works.  

 
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Guido Merkins said:
This is a good observation.  I've always said that if Buddy Holly and the Crickets had a love child with the Everly Brothers, you'd get something pretty close to the Beatles....
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You'd need to get the British dance hall sensibilities into the mix too though.  At least for the later stuff.

 
172 to 1 Chalk Rankings after #165

1 --Krista/TJ/Slug---8

2 --Just Win Baby---8

3 --Krista/Rob---7

4 --Encyclopedia Brown---7

5 --OTB_Lifer---5.5

6 --Krista/Mom/Hub---5.5

7 --Krista (Worth)---4

8 --jwb---3

9 --wikkidpissah---1.5

10 --Man Of Constant Sorrow---1.5

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Rocky Raccoon
2022 Ranking: 165
2022 Lists: 2
2022 Points: 5
Ranked Highest by: @Just Win BabyKrista/TJ/Slug
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 83T/2/24

Getz: Two had it at #14 in 2019.   :eek:   It was tied for last with one point until the 66th (of 71) list came in from Just Win Baby. I miss Nipsey.

Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  113

2019 write-up:

Rocky Raccoon (White Album, 1968)

I like that Paul tried to do a cowboy song.  It's charming.  Love the harmonica.  Beautiful vocal.  Sweet little encapsulated story, even though I find some of the lyrics grating and forced:  Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lil, but everyone knew her as Nancy.  But I dock this song a full 50 slots solely because I HATE the fake drawl at the beginning.  Somewhere earlier in the thread @Uruk-Hai pointed out that Paul and John needed to edit themselves better sometimes.  I think Paul just needed a best friend to tell him not to do this ####, and during the White Album years John was not that best friend, nor was anyone else.  I can't fully express how much I love/hate this song, with probably more mixed feelings about it than any other in their repertoire.    

Mr. krista does not have mixed feelings:  "I hate that he can’t resist to throw in a jaunty piano part.  The fake cowboy drawl is ludicrous.  It’s as bad as an American singing in an affected British accent.  I hate that it seems C/W/blues/folk – these are American forms, and it seems like he’s making fun of it.  He’s not, but it seems smug.  It really really bothers me.  You don’t fully understand this #### so leave it the #### alone.  It’s like Willie Nelson trying to play the Sex Pistols – Willie, leave it alone.  It’s not your jam.  Or Miles Davis playing…well, Miles Davis probably could."

Suggested covers:  Eddie Vedder & Jack Johnson  This version, lacking a fake cowboy accent, would be ranked much, much higher on my list.  Lena Horne (thanks to @Eephus for this one).  FFA's own Nipsey.

2022 Supplement:  WTAF was I thinking with that ranking?  I apologize to FBG, my family and RL friends, the Beatles, raccoons, Bullwinkle, and Magill who called herself Lil but everyone knew as Nancy.  Sheesh.

I recently bought the massive two-volume set, “The Lyrics,” which was edited together based on hours of interviews by Paul Muldoon with Paul McCartney over a five-year period from 2015-2020.  It’s a fascinating look at the creative process, and I can’t recommend it enough, but one disappointing aspect has been that some songs I’d very much like to know more about are omitted while some real head-scratchers were included.  In the “R”s, there is only one listing:  Rocky Raccoon.  Here’s a bit of how Paul describes this abomination of a song:

“I was doing a bit of a spoof on records I’d heard, kind of talking blues songs.  Bob Dylan was doing that kind of thing. …  I just dreamt up a character called ‘Rocky Raccoon,’ because of Davy Crockett and his raccoon cap.  … I saw the TV show, but my main thing was the song:  ‘Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier.’  It was quite a cool song. …I just started imagining this little story, and for me it’s like going on a train ride of the mind.  … I was doing it sort of tongue-in-cheek…black humour.”  [By the way, Paul has for years said that the song was originally called “Rocky Sassoon,” which doesn’t comport with this particular Davy Crockett memory, but Paul’s smoked a lot of dope through the years.]

Paul also explains some specific bits of the song.  The Gideon Bible had fascinated him because they saw them in the US hotels and had never seen anything like that in England.  The doctor stinking of gin came from an actual experience of falling off a moped in Liverpool and needing stitches on his lip, and the doctor arrived indeed stinking of gin and had to give it two tries before he got the stitches down, which left Paul with a bump on his lip for quite a while.  Paul grew a mustache to hide the bump, and then the other Beatles did, which I think is a funny little story about how they evolved into one of their signature looks. 

Wait a second!  Paul fell off a moped and hit his head before composing this song??  It all makes sense now!

Paul has never performed this song live but says he might sometime because so many people request it.  WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??

Guido Merkins

Paul loved to write stories about people (boring people doing boring things, I believe it what Lennon said.)  John used to kind of belittle Paul for it, but it’s something that’s in his songwriting DNA, which leads me to believe Paul may have been a decent playwright. 

Anyway, one of his character songs is on the White Album called Rocky Racoon.  Paul was writing a little western story in a song, so he came up with names like Rocky Racoon and McGill and Lil and Nancy.  The doctor “stinking of gin” was something that actually happened to Paul when he fell off his moped in 1966 a doctor who had been drinking stitched him up.  The story of the gunfight was out of every western and the detail about “Gideon’s bible” is pure McCartney.  A detail that means nothing, except it seems to hint at some hidden meaning.

The song ends rather abruptly almost like Paul had more, but wasn’t quite sure, so he just ended it.  It’s not a major piece of work, or even a great piece of work, but in the patchwork that is the White Album, it somehow works.  
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Yet another reason the white album should have been a single album. 

 
Getzlaf15 said:
2022 Supplement:  WTAF was I thinking with that ranking?  I apologize to FBG, my family and RL friends, the Beatles, raccoons, Bullwinkle, and Magill who called herself Lil but everyone knew as Nancy.  Sheesh.
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You added a Bullwinkle link!  Nice.  :heart:  

 
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Leroy Hoard said:
Yet another reason the white album should have been a single album. 
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That would actually be a really fun diversion.

I've always been of the opinion, however, that a single disc White Album would have just been an inferior Revolver.  A double album makes it unique and the Beatles also set the standard for what a double album would be in rock.  Sprawling and messy.

Plus, I think it would be really hard to narrow it down to 14 songs....

 
Guido Merkins said:
That would actually be a really fun diversion.

I've always been of the opinion, however, that a single disc White Album would have just been an inferior Revolver.  A double album makes it unique and the Beatles also set the standard for what a double album would be in rock.  Sprawling and messy.

Plus, I think it would be really hard to narrow it down to 14 songs....
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I know what my 2 George songs would be…

 
Guido Merkins said:
See, that's tough in and of itself.  Obviously While My Guitar Gently Weeps, but then what??  Once upon a time, I would have said Savoy Truffle, but I really like Long Long Long since the 2018 remix.....

What say you??
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I wasn’t around for Krista’s original thread, but I Hippled it in 2020 and then let her know I thought she had Savoy Truffle way too low.

Long, Long, Long is ok. Yes, better with the new mix, but still not in the same league as the other two for me.

 
So how's this

George - While My Guitar and Long Long Long

Ringo - Don't Pass Me By (I think it's unlikely they would have not used a song written by Ringo at this point in the band)

Paul - Back In The USSR, Blackbird, Obla Di Obla Da, Helter Skelter, Martha My Dear, I Will

John - Dear Prudence, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Julia, Yer Blues, I'm So Tired

Lots of good songs left off

 
Guido Merkins said:
So how's this

George - While My Guitar and Long Long Long

Ringo - Don't Pass Me By (I think it's unlikely they would have not used a song written by Ringo at this point in the band)

Paul - Back In The USSR, Blackbird, Obla Di Obla Da, Helter Skelter, Martha My Dear, I Will

John - Dear Prudence, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Julia, Yer Blues, I'm So Tired

Lots of good songs left off
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Hmmm, I wouldn't include all of Blackbird, Martha My Dear, and I Will.  Blackbird has to be on there, though.   Might I suggest subbing monkeys in for sheepdogs?  :lol:  

 
Guido Merkins said:
So how's this

George - Dot My Guitar and Dot Dot Dot

Ringo - Don't Dot Me By (I think it's unlikely they would have not used a song written by Ringo at this point in the band)

Paul - Back In The DOT, DOTbird, Obla Di Obla DOT, Helter DOT Skelter , Martha My Dot, I Dot

John - Dear Dot, Happiness is a DOT Gun, Dotia, DOT Blues, I'm So DOT

Lots of good songs left off
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Guido Merkins said:
So how's this

George - While My Guitar and Long Long Long

Ringo - Don't Pass Me By (I think it's unlikely they would have not used a song written by Ringo at this point in the band)

Paul - Back In The USSR, Blackbird, Obla Di Obla Da, Helter Skelter, Martha My Dear, I Will

John - Dear Prudence, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Julia, Yer Blues, I'm So Tired

Lots of good songs left off
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I feel like Glass Onion not being third would mess with my brain.

This feels like if Capitol Records got a hold of the White Album

 
krista4 said:
Hmmm, I wouldn't include all of Blackbird, Martha My Dear, and I Will.  Blackbird has to be on there, though.   Might I suggest subbing monkeys in for sheepdogs?  :lol:  
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I would boot Ob La Di Ob La Dot. The other Beatles hated it, so we can pretend it was a democratic decision.

 
krista4 said:
When I said I've had New Haven style but not in New Haven, I was talking about Piece in Chicago (I lived a block or so away for seven years), and it came in at #21 on the list!  Right after a real New Haven joint.  Cool!
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My nephew lived a few blocks from Piece years back.  Been there a couple times, but it's been forever.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
I would boot Ob La Di Ob La Dot. The other Beatles hated it, so we can pretend it was a democratic decision.
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The problem is that if you start to think about how the Beatles would have likely built the album with band politics at the time, IMO there is no shot that Obla Di and one of the jazzy tunes from Paul gets left off the album

if you were straight up going with the best 14, then yeah. But that’s not what would have happened, at least IMO

 
Guido Merkins said:
The problem is that if you start to think about how the Beatles would have likely built the album with band politics at the time, IMO there is no shot that Obla Di and one of the jazzy tunes from Paul gets left off the album

if you were straight up going with the best 14, then yeah. But that’s not what would have happened, at least IMO
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Band politics is a big part of why it was a double album in the first place!

 
krista4 said:
When I said I've had New Haven style but not in New Haven, I was talking about Piece in Chicago (I lived a block or so away for seven years), and it came in at #21 on the list!  Right after a real New Haven joint.  Cool!
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I love Piece.   Every bit as good as Sally’s or Pepe’s in New Haven!

 
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