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2022 FBG, 172 to 1 Beatles Countdown 1-25 lists... And 173 to 1 Countdown from 1-64 lists! (2 Viewers)

Rocky Raccoon
2022 Ranking: 165
2022 Lists: 2
2022 Points: 5
Ranked Highest by: @Just Win BabyKrista/TJ/Slug
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 83T/2/24

Getz: Two had it at #14 in 2019.   :eek:   It was tied for last with one point until the 66th (of 71) list came in from Just Win Baby. I miss Nipsey.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  113


2019 write-up:

Rocky Raccoon (White Album, 1968)

I like that Paul tried to do a cowboy song.  It's charming.  Love the harmonica.  Beautiful vocal.  Sweet little encapsulated story, even though I find some of the lyrics grating and forced:  Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lil, but everyone knew her as Nancy.  But I dock this song a full 50 slots solely because I HATE the fake drawl at the beginning.  Somewhere earlier in the thread @Uruk-Hai pointed out that Paul and John needed to edit themselves better sometimes.  I think Paul just needed a best friend to tell him not to do this ####, and during the White Album years John was not that best friend, nor was anyone else.  I can't fully express how much I love/hate this song, with probably more mixed feelings about it than any other in their repertoire.    

Mr. krista does not have mixed feelings:  "I hate that he can’t resist to throw in a jaunty piano part.  The fake cowboy drawl is ludicrous.  It’s as bad as an American singing in an affected British accent.  I hate that it seems C/W/blues/folk – these are American forms, and it seems like he’s making fun of it.  He’s not, but it seems smug.  It really really bothers me.  You don’t fully understand this #### so leave it the #### alone.  It’s like Willie Nelson trying to play the Sex Pistols – Willie, leave it alone.  It’s not your jam.  Or Miles Davis playing…well, Miles Davis probably could."

Suggested covers:  Eddie Vedder & Jack Johnson  This version, lacking a fake cowboy accent, would be ranked much, much higher on my list.  Lena Horne (thanks to @Eephus for this one).  FFA's own Nipsey.

2022 Supplement:  WTAF was I thinking with that ranking?  I apologize to FBG, my family and RL friends, the Beatles, raccoons, Bullwinkle, and Magill who called herself Lil but everyone knew as Nancy.  Sheesh.

I recently bought the massive two-volume set, “The Lyrics,” which was edited together based on hours of interviews by Paul Muldoon with Paul McCartney over a five-year period from 2015-2020.  It’s a fascinating look at the creative process, and I can’t recommend it enough, but one disappointing aspect has been that some songs I’d very much like to know more about are omitted while some real head-scratchers were included.  In the “R”s, there is only one listing:  Rocky Raccoon.  Here’s a bit of how Paul describes this abomination of a song:

“I was doing a bit of a spoof on records I’d heard, kind of talking blues songs.  Bob Dylan was doing that kind of thing. …  I just dreamt up a character called ‘Rocky Raccoon,’ because of Davy Crockett and his raccoon cap.  … I saw the TV show, but my main thing was the song:  ‘Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier.’  It was quite a cool song. …I just started imagining this little story, and for me it’s like going on a train ride of the mind.  … I was doing it sort of tongue-in-cheek…black humour.”  [By the way, Paul has for years said that the song was originally called “Rocky Sassoon,” which doesn’t comport with this particular Davy Crockett memory, but Paul’s smoked a lot of dope through the years.]

Paul also explains some specific bits of the song.  The Gideon Bible had fascinated him because they saw them in the US hotels and had never seen anything like that in England.  The doctor stinking of gin came from an actual experience of falling off a moped in Liverpool and needing stitches on his lip, and the doctor arrived indeed stinking of gin and had to give it two tries before he got the stitches down, which left Paul with a bump on his lip for quite a while.  Paul grew a mustache to hide the bump, and then the other Beatles did, which I think is a funny little story about how they evolved into one of their signature looks. 

Wait a second!  Paul fell off a moped and hit his head before composing this song??  It all makes sense now!

Paul has never performed this song live but says he might sometime because so many people request it.  WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??

Guido Merkins

Paul loved to write stories about people (boring people doing boring things, I believe it what Lennon said.)  John used to kind of belittle Paul for it, but it’s something that’s in his songwriting DNA, which leads me to believe Paul may have been a decent playwright. 

Anyway, one of his character songs is on the White Album called Rocky Racoon.  Paul was writing a little western story in a song, so he came up with names like Rocky Racoon and McGill and Lil and Nancy.  The doctor “stinking of gin” was something that actually happened to Paul when he fell off his moped in 1966 a doctor who had been drinking stitched him up.  The story of the gunfight was out of every western and the detail about “Gideon’s bible” is pure McCartney.  A detail that means nothing, except it seems to hint at some hidden meaning.


The song ends rather abruptly almost like Paul had more, but wasn’t quite sure, so he just ended it.  It’s not a major piece of work, or even a great piece of work, but in the patchwork that is the White Album, it somehow works.  
I feel vindicated seeing this at 165.  But will not mention it to Mrs APK.

 
Hmmm, I wouldn't include all of Blackbird, Martha My Dear, and I Will.  Blackbird has to be on there, though.   Might I suggest subbing monkeys in for sheepdogs?  :lol:  
Absolutely. I just think Paul would have gotten one of the jazzy numbers in the album. I chose the least objectionable one. 

 
Guido Merkins said:
There is a book called How They Became them Beatles which is good

Also Mark Lewison's Tune In is good, but really long.  But it covers the Hamburg years.

As far as movies, Nowhere Boy is good, but fictionalized in certain spots.  The first episode of the Beatles Anthology also covers it.  

Those are the ones I've seen off the top of my head.  Most biographies are gonna cover that, but I've found the Lewison book the most well-researched.  


Backbeat was a fun little movie but doesn't seem to be available anywhere anymore.

I can't vouch for its authenticity but I thought it captured the spirit of a time and place pretty well.

 
See, that's tough in and of itself.  Obviously While My Guitar Gently Weeps, but then what??  Once upon a time, I would have said Savoy Truffle, but I really like Long Long Long since the 2018 remix.....

What say you??


tough to only pick 2

George List

‘Don’t Bother Me’ – With The Beatles

‘I Need You’ – Help!

‘You Like Me Too Much’ – Help!

‘Think For Yourself’ – Rubber Soul

‘If I needed Someone’ – Rubber Soul

‘Taxman’ – Revolver

‘Love You To’ – Revolver

‘I Want To Tell You’ – Revolver

‘Within You Without You’ – Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Heart’s Club

‘Blue Jay Way’ – The Magical Mystery Tour

‘While My Guitar Gently Weeps’ – The White Album

‘Piggies’ – The White Album

‘Long, Long, Long’ – The White Album

‘Savoy Truffle’ – The White Album

‘It’s All Too Much’ – The Yellow Submarine

‘Only A Northern Song’ – The Yellow Submarine

‘Something’ – Abbey Road

‘Here Comes The Sun’ – Abbey Road

‘I, Me, Mine’ – Let it Be

‘Dig It’ – Let it Be

‘For You Blue’ – Let it Be

 
I don't hate this song, but I don't think it is one of the better ones on the album. It's a good one for kids to learn, although the doctor did stink of gin. I mentioned in the U2 thread not long ago, that I like the lines...

Her name was Magill
And she called herself Lil
But everyone knew her as Nancy


It reminds me of my paternal grandfather who had three first names. He was named John Howard William, but he went by Mike, which was the name of a horse he once had.  I knew him as Paw. 

 
what is this?  what does it mean?

not following 

tks  :bag:
After we get a few songs in, I will start posting the "Chalk Update" (hope we find a better name for that).   When you have a song from your 1-25 list that is posted, I will assign a score to that song and keep a running total on who is "most" and "least" chalky.  Song ranked #172 will get one point. Song ranked #1 will get 172 points.  The funny thing about this is the early "chalk" leaders will likely have the best chance at being the "least" chalky at the end.  It will also be fun to see who the last remaining person is to have a song from their list posted. All of this is for fun and means nothing, and I really hope we can find another name for this as there were really no chalky lists sent in. The average list had 7.56 songs on it that finished up ranked lower than 50th!

 


I just clicked the first two links here, and they didn't take me to the correct posts.  They took me to comments other people made on Getz's post.  Is anyone else having that issue?

Also, Getz, on your first post in the thread, you say that this list is to the Youtube videos, when it's supposed to be to the write-ups (which include the videos).

 
Rocky Raccoon:  I forgot that I got a Mr. krista 2022 updated comment on this one last night!

"I'll listen to it again, but I'm pretty sure it still ####### blows."
Let me know if you want me to edit my post if you get some of these.

 
Let me know if you want me to edit my post if you get some of these.


Ah, I didn't think about that.  You could add this one if you like.  Can I go in the shared document and add the others for songs that haven't been posted, or is it too late for that?

 
Ah, I didn't think about that.  You could add this one if you like.  Can I go in the shared document and add the others for songs that haven't been posted, or is it too late for that?
you can edit that any time you like.    If you don't get to it in time, PM me and I'll edit the post.

 
I just clicked the first two links here, and they didn't take me to the correct posts.  They took me to comments other people made on Getz's post.  Is anyone else having that issue?
Sorry, early season jitters

Should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up

 
So how's this

George - While My Guitar and Long Long Long

Ringo - Don't Pass Me By (I think it's unlikely they would have not used a song written by Ringo at this point in the band)

Paul - Back In The USSR, Blackbird, Obla Di Obla Da, Helter Skelter, Martha My Dear, I Will

John - Dear Prudence, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Julia, Yer Blues, I'm So Tired

Lots of good songs left off
I like Glass Onion better than some of the songs on here.

 
I don't mind Rocky Raccoon. I never go out of my way to listen to it but don't turn it off when it comes on.

Without this song there would be no Rocket Raccoon, the marvel character.

 
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Rocky Raccoon:  I forgot that I got a Mr. krista 2022 updated comment on this one last night!

"I'll listen to it again, but I'm pretty sure it still ####### blows."


:lmao:

But it rhymes hoedown and showdown, so there's that. 

 
I Call Your Name
2022 Ranking: 164
2022 Lists: 1
2022 Points: 6
Ranked Highest by: Krista/Mom/Hub
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: NR

Getz: 1964 BBC video. First time we see a voter with two songs in the count down. A #20 here.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  134

2019 write-up:

I Call Your Name (single, 1964)

The primary appeals of this song to me are:  (1) the "ska" guitar solo, (2) the interplay of that sped-up, off-kilter guitar work with John's vocal in the middle eight, and (3) cowbell.  In fact, apparently it was that third item, the cowbell, that led to the song's being omitted from the A Hard Day's Night soundtrack, as they already had two heavy cowbell songs on there (no wonder I love that record).  After the song was passed on initially by the Beatles, they gave it to Billy J.  Kramer and the Dakotas, who recorded it in 1963 (fun fact:  for a time the Beatles tried, mostly unsuccessfully, to disguise their recording sessions by having themselves listed on the day's agenda as "The Dakotas," in case the information about who was recording leaked to fans).  

Mr. krista:  "That’s a good song.  'I never weep at night; I call your name.'  That’s great.  I haven’t heard that song much.  This is the first time I’ve listened to it.  But that’s a great ####### song.  Awesome."

Suggested cover:  The Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas version came out before the Beatles one.  The Mamas & the Papas version is interesting mostly because you can hear someone whispering "John" at 1:27 and 1:32.

2022 Supplement:  Such a terrific song that deserved a better fate in my rankings.  Of course, most songs did (other than A Taste of Honey).  This was a very early John composition, originally written in the late 1950s but then updated with Paul for recording in 1964.  I mentioned John’s vocal in passing in 2019 but think it should have been highlighted more; there’s real torment in there.  Paul commented upon the lyrics of the song and seemed to allude to this as well:  “We worked on it together, but it was John's idea. When I look back at some of these lyrics, I think, Wait a minute. What did he mean? 'I call your name but you're not there.' Is it his mother? His father? I must admit I didn't really see that as we wrote it because we were just a couple of young guys writing. You didn't look behind it at the time, it was only later you started analyzing things.”

Guido Merkins

One of the things that is amazing when you get into the Beatles is the depth of the catalog. Songs that were basically forgotten for years came back into the public consciousness with the release of the 1987 CDs which established the Beatles core catalog. 

One of those songs is a little song that I first heard on Past Masters 1 called I Call Your Name.  The song is an early song written by John that was given to Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas and they put it on the B side of Bad To Me (another Lennon song).  John apparently wasn’t fond of the Dakotas version because he decided to record it himself as part of the Long Tall Sally EP. But since EPs weren’t popular in the US and since the Capitol Beatles catalog went out of print, I Call Your Name kind of disappeared.

It’s a great song.  It’s typical Lennon “girl you left and now I can’t sleep” type stuff with a great vocal, cowbell, Ringo’s open high hat, and George’s chiming 12 string Rickenbacker guitar….yes before the Byrds.  The other cool thing is the guitar solo which is an early attempt as ska.

The song was considered for the A Hard Day’s Night soundtrack, but due to its similarity to You Can’t Do That, was rejected and put on the Long Tall Sally EP and forgotten about until, as I said above, the CDs were released in 1987.


 
172 to 1 Chalk Rankings Top 10 after #164. Sponsored by Arby's Crinkle Fries

1 --Krista/Mom/Hub---14.5

2 --Krista/TJ/Slug---8

3 --Just Win Baby---8

4 --Krista/Rob---7

5 --Encyclopedia Brown---7

6 --OTB_Lifer---5.5

7 --Krista (Worth)---4

8 --jwb---3

9 --wikkidpissah---1.5

10 --Man Of Constant Sorrow---1.5

 
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I'm kinda surprised at the reaction to Rocky Raccoon. I always assumed it sort of a universally loved tune. Maybe not a top 25'er but it's a fun little ditty and I love the jaunty piano part.

 
Damn, this thread is moving quickly for a noob.  I guess I picked the wrong time to get busy at work.  Not gonna hipple, but just a few thoughts:

I Need You - the only one of the first 8 or 9 songs posted that I've actually heard before (but not in quite a while).  Reaffirms my impression that mid-period Beatles are my sweet-spot.  Love the pedal.

Money (That's What I Want) - The first version I heard was by the Flying Lizards and I didn't know it was a cover for years (OK, i admit it - my ignorance extended all the way till 1995 when I sat through the credits for Empire Records).  This was my first time listening to the Beatles version.  It's fine and all, but I guess I'm biased towards the angular weirdness of the Flying Lizards take.

Flying - I really like this.  I kept expecting lyrics to kick in and then, poof, it was over way too soon.  Re-listened to it  immediately and appreciated the vibe even more.

 
Flying - I really like this.  I kept expecting lyrics to kick in and then, poof, it was over way too soon.  Re-listened to it  immediately and appreciated the vibe even more.
Noob here too and this one has stood out so far.

 
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Didn’t realize it’s a couple years old, but I know the #1 place (Pepe’s) stayed at #1. It’s nearly impossible to get in. There’s been times I tried well before it even opened and the line was already around the block. 
I lived on the block adjacent to Wooster St. in New Haven for two years. A quick left and another left and I was at Pepe's. I walked to get take out many nights. I easily packed on fifteen-twenty pounds from pizza and food alone. The pizza there is to die for, but smelling that area every night sort of gets to you as the grease hangs in the air at times. On a summer night, I could smell pizza from my place and it was great for the first week or so. After that, it gets a little hinky to be there all the time. 

I really enjoyed my time in New Haven, though. 

eta* I also got to hold the Stanley Cup and kiss it there. One of the Red Wings was bringing it by for some reason. It was a private party (not swanky) and the people that worked at Pepe's invited me by to see the Cup and kiss it. Very cool of the staff to do that for me. I'd really done nothing to deserve it other than chatting up the workers there every so often when I'd pick up a pizza. I guess I tipped well, too. Might have helped. But I liked Pepe's. Very nice people. This was around 2008-9 or so when I got to hold the Cup. I won't soon forget it. 

eta2* Come to think of it, really enjoying New Haven means I must have loved it. Probably my favorite place I've lived, though I'm sort of limited in that respect. But I generally do not like where I'm at, which, considering it's been CT/Central New York/D.C./MD/Inland Empire, CA isn't too hard. But New Haven was cool. 

 
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@falguy many thanks for helping out so far with the links!

Management regrets to inform you that your services are no longer required.

A link to each song post is in the OP.  No current music thread is offering this service.

OP abusers have at it!!!!

 
LINK

Didn’t realize it’s a couple years old, but I know the #1 place (Pepe’s) stayed at #1. It’s nearly impossible to get in. There’s been times I tried well before it even opened and the line was already around the block. 
Spent 6 months on a project in New Haven about 6-7 years ago. Hit all those places. Pepe's is great, but I think I like Sally's better. Modern also excellent. 

 
Backbeat was a fun little movie but doesn't seem to be available anywhere anymore.

I can't vouch for its authenticity but I thought it captured the spirit of a time and place pretty well.
I saw Backbeat back when it first came out on VHS, back when I still loved the old Beatles and hated the hippie Beatles (my world was drawn in black and white back then) and I loved it. Stuart Sutcliffe and whoever played Astrid were top billing in the show as that storyline was the focal point of the movie. Greg Dulli of The Afghan Whigs sang on the soundtrack and probably could have starred in the movie if he wanted. Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth played guitar. 

 
Damn, this thread is moving quickly for a noob.  I guess I picked the wrong time to get busy at work.  Not gonna hipple, but just a few thoughts:

I Need You - the only one of the first 8 or 9 songs posted that I've actually heard before (but not in quite a while).  Reaffirms my impression that mid-period Beatles are my sweet-spot.  Love the pedal.

Money (That's What I Want) - The first version I heard was by the Flying Lizards and I didn't know it was a cover for years (OK, i admit it - my ignorance extended all the way till 1995 when I sat through the credits for Empire Records).  This was my first time listening to the Beatles version.  It's fine and all, but I guess I'm biased towards the angular weirdness of the Flying Lizards take.

Flying - I really like this.  I kept expecting lyrics to kick in and then, poof, it was over way too soon.  Re-listened to it  immediately and appreciated the vibe even more.


Noob here too and this one has stood out so far.


Happy to see Flying getting some love.

And very happy for the input from the self-proclaimed noobs.

 

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