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2022 Las Vegas Raiders (3 Viewers)

Ian Rapoport@RapSheet.17s

Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas. Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.

The Carr Effect. lol.

 
I think it's a fair trade. There's no guarantee on those Rookie WRs.  Realistically 50-60% aren't going to pan out. I love Treylon as much as the next guy but I think this is a good move. And as Chad said we might save some $$ on Derek's contract. Also, the Patriots always seem to find good OL talent late in the draft and Leatherwood could turn it around. He's been putting a lot of work in his conditioning this off season.   
And unlike some FA deals that have a certain amount if risk... it is hard to think of a situation like this with nearly no risk of him being a bust.

 
The leadership on this team is going to be amazing, Carr, Adams, Waller, Crosby, C. Jones, Perryman, Jacobs...hopefully someone from the OL and DB's will step up too. 

 
I completely understand the downside of cost vs age vs draft capital. I would also add that Adams has had the benefit of the best QB in the league helping to make him the best WR in the league over the past few years.

However any WR you get at #22 will have to work with the same limitations as Adams and are entirely unproven as well.

Additionally, any QB they could get this or next year would also be entirely unproven. I know it's popular to think the next top 5 QB is going to be great but, I know a couple guys named Mitch, Marcus & Jameis who make me wonder when the Raiders could possibly expect to find the next big QB in the draft. Let's remember that Baker Mayfield & Sam Darnold we're drafted before Josh Allen, and Josh Rosen was taken two picks later at 10.

No, the Raiders have a QB that, at the very least minimum level that has proven competent (I personally think he has proven far better than that but I don't want to have that discussion). He's a guy you can win with. If Nick Foles can put up 500 yards and a W on the biggest stage in the world, then so can Carr.

I'm good with making bold moves based on proven talent over punting to later years and hoping you can find that next QB, WR combo to build a winning team around.

Go Raiders!!!

 
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Criticism made, here's my constructive viewpoint...

Raiders FO, this move must be protected and enhanced by way of vastly improved OL. That unit must be the priority rest of this off-season, solidly ahead of D now.

After this trade, you invest accordingly in OL - breadth and depth - even if you have to limit the wunderkind DC to a bunch of roster spots, but minimal salary/quality picks to unearth talent until next year. Hopefully the scouts will find Graham another Crosby, Hobbs, Diablo this year. If they don't, they shld consider hiring Mayock as a consultant to Zieg - he was solid at finding late gems.

Good news is if the O is off the rails, the D doesn't need to be. And when you double down on Derek Carr with Davante Adams... You must double down again with OL, including OL depth to keep the ship upright. If they do that, this offense and team have huge upside this year and beyond.

 
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^^^Thinking through more what I wrote above about the D, it suddenly dawned on me that the Raiders we're prepping for this move all along. It explains all the value 'depth' signings of the last few days. Suddenly, I am stoked for them to have swooped the young backup Bengal and Raven corners, if that's who Graham & Co. wanted as their value FA picks. Not saying he won't add more CBs, but now those two signings (and others - hello, value WR2/3 6'4'' speedy special-teams Mack Hollins) make a ton more sense to me.

 
There are always those teams that are contenders. They end up picking up good vet players who haven't won for relatively cheap. 

We are in a position now to be on that list. Maybe not THE team. But definitely one of the teams to be considered. 

 
WOW WOW WOW!!!  HOLY #### BALLS!!!

I was at work and my phone just starting BLOWING UP!!  Even my nephew texted me!  First ever football related text from him!  15 years old. Love it. 

This is BIG. Unlike the ridiculous Gruden failure, this puts the raiders on the map as a destination for other players. It legitimizes the franchise in todays NFL.  It’s an organization that is committed To excellence.  ❤️  FINALLY!!   Al would be proud.  

I would not be surprised at all, if we start seeing players come in for less money(no income tax) to play for the raiders.  Collins, I’m looking at you. 
 

There are still some glaring holes in the team. They need a stud OL. And that D!  Sweet baby jeebus do they need some parts. DL, LB and DB all need to be addressed.   At this point they’re going to need to score 50 to win. 
 

Be proud RAIDER NATION.  JUST WIN BABY!!  I’m happy. :D  

 
Shefter has Mack going to the dolts. 
 

mcD and Z better get busy
Glad they were listening. :lmao:  

he's also probably the number 1 guy, at his position.  so he actually has a point.  but he'll still play.  it's all leverage.  he'll most likely sign a 2 year deal with a huge signing bonus, in the 50M total value range.

you don't hear david njoku crying.  nor schultz or geiseki or any of the others.
Also:  nailed it!  I wasn’t far off with the money. I knew he’d get at least 25.  

 
WOW WOW WOW!!!  HOLY #### BALLS!!!

I was at work and my phone just starting BLOWING UP!!  Even my nephew texted me!  First ever football related text from him!  15 years old. Love it. 

This is BIG. Unlike the ridiculous Gruden failure, this puts the raiders on the map as a destination for other players. It legitimizes the franchise in todays NFL.  It’s an organization that is committed To excellence.  ❤️  FINALLY!!   Al would be proud.  

I would not be surprised at all, if we start seeing players come in for less money(no income tax) to play for the raiders.  Collins, I’m looking at you. 
 

There are still some glaring holes in the team. They need a stud OL. And that D!  Sweet baby jeebus do they need some parts. DL, LB and DB all need to be addressed.   At this point they’re going to need to score 50 to win. 
 

Be proud RAIDER NATION.  JUST WIN BABY!!  I’m happy. :D  
How many times you tell me "Adams isn't coming"?

 
How many times you tell me "Adams isn't coming"?
Uhhhh…   What’s that?  🤣🤣

To be fair, I was mostly wrong about him being tagged. That was the reason he wasn’t coming. 🤣🤣

I honestly can’t believe it. This is the best I’ve felt since before carr’s ankle snapped. 

 
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Really it’s the best I’ve felt since before Barrett Robbins went AWOL.  I was there, and still say, I could have gotten him back from TJ before the game. 

 
Josh Norris@JoshNorris

8hTed made an amazing point @FB_FilmAnalysis

The Raiders, despite making the playoffs, were 29th in Redzone TD Success Rate Enter Davante Adams! A WR who is untouchable in condensed fields There's a clear path to Derek Carr setting a career high mark in passing TDs (32)

LINK to video 🎥

 
The Davante Adams situation is example #1 why you lock up your studs. I'm sorry, Khalil Mack is example #1. Adams is #2. 

Packers could have locked him up for Amari Cooper money two years ago. They wait and wait, and give Adams a chance o get sick of Rodgers nonsense, and get offended that they don't give him a deal, then see the ridiculous deal Rodgers gets, gives Carr a chance to talk to the new front office, and call Adams and let him know that the Raiders would trade for him, and here we are. 

GB front office has had a bad 12 months.

 
The Davante Adams situation is example #1 why you lock up your studs. I'm sorry, Khalil Mack is example #1. Adams is #2. 

Packers could have locked him up for Amari Cooper money two years ago. They wait and wait, and give Adams a chance o get sick of Rodgers nonsense, and get offended that they don't give him a deal, then see the ridiculous deal Rodgers gets, gives Carr a chance to talk to the new front office, and call Adams and let him know that the Raiders would trade for him, and here we are. 

GB front office has had a bad 12 months.
And Rodgers has to be livid right now. 

 
They're taking it pretty well in the Packers thread. Something about Rodgers locking in on Adams caused them to lose in the playoffs a couple times and being able to replace Davante with a 2nd tier FA and a rookie and a ham sandwich.
They have a long track record of drafting really well when it comes to WR's... but I think that Rodgers has locked on to Adams because their other WR's haven't stepped up. Possibly they are still developing... possibly the stretch if WR after WR that cones in and becomes a star for Favre and then Rodgers has come to and end. They now have some draft capital to work with and space. We shall see. 

 
I was offered the 3.12 rookie pick for Bryan Edwards after the Adams news yesterday. I’m leaning towards taking it. Am I missing something? I would think Edwards will be like the 4th option at best for this offense.

 
Ameer Abdullah signed. 

Camp fodder? Competition for Drake? Hopefully this doesn't portend anything about Jacobs.
The guy came out with big expectations then got hurt and never seemed to fulfill promise. This is in line with what I have said multiple times since hiring McDaniels in that NE loved to have multiple backs used as gameplan dictated. They routinely carried 6 backs (a mix of RB and FB). This addition has us at six on the roster now (Jacobs, Drake, Bolden, Johnson and Sutton). 

Ameer is a pass catching back who also is a return guy, not very effective in running the ball. He is a piece not a replacement. 

 
I was offered the 3.12 rookie pick for Bryan Edwards after the Adams news yesterday. I’m leaning towards taking it. Am I missing something? I would think Edwards will be like the 4th option at best for this offense.
I wouldn't. Not for that. 

Carr spreads the ball around. 

Edwards was most effective when Ruggs was on the field. Adams doesn't have Ruggs speed buy he demands defensive attention. Edwards will never see more than 1 defender this upcoming season and likely the 4th best cover guy in the opposition. He won't be a top 20 WR or anything but he also will get some work, I think enough to be of more worth than a rookie late 3rd pick. 

I am thinking 40-50 catches, 700-800 yards and 4-5 TD's neighborhood of production. Likely better than what you get from that laye of a rookie pick. 

 
Chandler Jones presser got lost in yesterday's Adams news...

I really liked hearing his insights about his history/connection with Graham; and about his mutual fanship and previously existing friendship with Mad Maxx. Also loved hearing him speak about his pride in being a consistent player/person - and his dedication to being a leader at this stage in his career, but doing that by earning not demanding.

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Side thought from someone who is a fan of Yan Ngakoue, and wasn't looking to see him go... He's now been traded by three teams and left unsigned by a fourth in the last 25 months. Crazy.

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More new Raiders: Bolden/Ya-Sin Presser - haven't watch it yet.

 
I wouldn't. Not for that. 

Carr spreads the ball around. 

Edwards was most effective when Ruggs was on the field. Adams doesn't have Ruggs speed buy he demands defensive attention. Edwards will never see more than 1 defender this upcoming season and likely the 4th best cover guy in the opposition. He won't be a top 20 WR or anything but he also will get some work, I think enough to be of more worth than a rookie late 3rd pick. 

I am thinking 40-50 catches, 700-800 yards and 4-5 TD's neighborhood of production. Likely better than what you get from that laye of a rookie pick. 


I recall some comparisons to Adams when Bedwards was coming out of college. Maybe he learns a thing or two about how to play like Adams now that they'll be sharing the same field. Step #1 for Bryan is staying healthy. If he can, I'm still optimistic about his upside - he's shown us (very) brief flashes of big play ability.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/davante-adams/

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/bryan-edwards/

 
Been thinking about how Adams can teach Renfrow and the other young guys some tips.  Really excited to see their progress with him in the WR room.

 
Chandler Jones presser got lost in yesterday's Adams news...

I really liked hearing his insights about his history/connection with Graham; and about his mutual fanship and previously existing friendship with Mad Maxx. Also loved hearing him speak about his pride in being a consistent player/person - and his dedication to being a leader at this stage in his career, but doing that by earning not demanding.

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Side thought from someone who is a fan of Yan Ngakoue, and wasn't looking to see him go... He's now been traded by three teams and left unsigned by a fourth in the last 25 months. Crazy.

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More new Raiders: Bolden/Ya-Sin Presser - haven't watch it yet.
Chandler on Russell Wilson... 

"He thought he could get away from leaving me. I'm right here with him again."

:football:

 
Could be a rotational guy... right now most anyone would be a rotational fit. We need bodies. 

A bit older and apparently slowed after having COVID but if we can get a good deal out of him... why not? 
As you said, they need bodies. Other than the scrub DL they signed, have they signed any other interior DL?

 
One more side thought, then I have to get back to my actual work, lol...

Void years are a nifty little trick teams are now playing with the cap. Basically you can add on however many extra years to the back end that auto void after some period, resulting in a pre-determined roll-forward of the annual signing-bonus cap hit to the season when the void years begin. Jones, e.g., was given a 3 yr contract, with two add'l void years, which allowed for his annual signing bonus cap hit to be divided by five, instead of three.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/chandler-jones-9831/

Eventually the piper is paid, but conceivably, if a team really wanted to push the envelope and delay the signing-bonus hit until contract-end, they could add some insane amount of void years - imagine adding 8 void years to a two-year contract. Suddenly, instead of dividing the signing bonus cap allocation by two, you divide it by 10, with the final 80% of the hit coming at contract end. And based on that concept - *if* there's no limit on void years - I could even imagine some team one day getting really abusive and adding an insane amount of void years - imagine adding 98 void years to the scenario above. That would cause 98% of the signing bonus to be applied to contract end, with 1% hitting in year one and 1% in year two. 

Note - when I say 'contract end,' I mean after year two, when the void years begin. But same idea holds for however many real years are embedded. In Jones' case that would be after year three.

 
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One more side thought, then I have to get back to my actual work, lol...

Void years are a nifty little trick teams are now playing with the cap. Basically you can add on however many extra years to the back end that auto void after some period, resulting in a pre-determined roll-forward of the annual signing-bonus cap hit to the season when the void years begin. Jones, e.g., was given a 3 yr contract, with two add'l void years, which allowed for his annual signing bonus cap hit to be divided by five, instead of three.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/chandler-jones-9831/

Eventually the piper is paid, but conceivably, if a team really wanted to push the envelope and delay the signing-bonus hit until contract-end, they could add some insane amount of void years - imagine adding 8 void years to a two-year contract. Suddenly, instead of dividing the signing bonus cap allocation by two, you divide it by 10, with the final 80% of the hit coming at contract end. And based on that concept - *if* there's no limit on void years - I could even imagine some team one day getting really abusive and adding an insane amount of void years - imagine adding 98 void years to the scenario above. That would cause 98% of the signing bonus to be applied to contract-end, with 1% hitting in year one and 1% in year two. 
Is Bobby Bonilla still getting a million a year from the Mets?

 
As you said, they need bodies. Other than the scrub DL they signed, have they signed any other interior DL?
I wouldn't call Nichols a scrub. A young guy that has shown some ability. 3 sacks last year and 5 before that. 

Billings and Vickers are the only other DT's on roster right now. 

 
One more side thought, then I have to get back to my actual work, lol...

Void years are a nifty little trick teams are now playing with the cap. Basically you can add on however many extra years to the back end that auto void after some period, resulting in a pre-determined roll-forward of the annual signing-bonus cap hit to the season when the void years begin. Jones, e.g., was given a 3 yr contract, with two add'l void years, which allowed for his annual signing bonus cap hit to be divided by five, instead of three.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/chandler-jones-9831/

Eventually the piper is paid, but conceivably, if a team really wanted to push the envelope and delay the signing-bonus hit until contract-end, they could add some insane amount of void years - imagine adding 8 void years to a two-year contract. Suddenly, instead of dividing the signing bonus cap allocation by two, you divide it by 10, with the final 80% of the hit coming at contract end. And based on that concept - *if* there's no limit on void years - I could even imagine some team one day getting really abusive and adding an insane amount of void years - imagine adding 98 void years to the scenario above. That would cause 98% of the signing bonus to be applied to contract-end, with 1% hitting in year one and 1% in year two. 
And the cap will explode in the coming years

 
One more side thought, then I have to get back to my actual work, lol...

Void years are a nifty little trick teams are now playing with the cap. Basically you can add on however many extra years to the back end that auto void after some period, resulting in a pre-determined roll-forward of the annual signing-bonus cap hit to the season when the void years begin. Jones, e.g., was given a 3 yr contract, with two add'l void years, which allowed for his annual signing bonus cap hit to be divided by five, instead of three.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/chandler-jones-9831/

Eventually the piper is paid, but conceivably, if a team really wanted to push the envelope and delay the signing-bonus hit until contract-end, they could add some insane amount of void years - imagine adding 8 void years to a two-year contract. Suddenly, instead of dividing the signing bonus cap allocation by two, you divide it by 10, with the final 80% of the hit coming at contract end. And based on that concept - *if* there's no limit on void years - I could even imagine some team one day getting really abusive and adding an insane amount of void years - imagine adding 98 void years to the scenario above. That would cause 98% of the signing bonus to be applied to contract end, with 1% hitting in year one and 1% in year two. 

Note - when I say 'contract end,' I mean after year two, when the void years begin. But same idea holds for however many real years are embedded. In Jones' case that would be after year three.
Signing bonus allocations can only be spread out over 5 year max.  I'm not much of a fan because as you said the piper must be paid eventually.  If the guy wasn't worth it, that means we're backloading the contract with dead money that perhaps the next GM has to eat.  Sure Jones may not be a great example with our FO being very likely to outlast even that dead money but I'm speaking toward the overall habit.  Not a fan.

 
They haven't acquired anyone of legit qualification at OL/DL. Hoping we get some movement there soon. Still too many #tumbleweeds on both lines for my liking.
O line is so important for an offense.   Must be addressed heavily.  

This offseason is helping me get over Gruden.  As you probably recall, I don’t miss him and celebrated when he was pushed out the door.  But, I have been bitter about the wasted years (great Maiden tune!) that he was here and the damage done by trading away Mack and Cooper and then drafting bench players at best.  

We deserve this.   The players deserve this.   It’s going to take forever for the season to start!

 
O line is so important for an offense.   Must be addressed heavily.  

This offseason is helping me get over Gruden.  As you probably recall, I don’t miss him and celebrated when he was pushed out the door.  But, I have been bitter about the wasted years (great Maiden tune!) that he was here and the damage done by trading away Mack and Cooper and then drafting bench players at best.  

We deserve this.   The players deserve this.   It’s going to take forever for the season to start!
we're getting there brother.  F gruden.  sooooooooooooo glad he got the boot.

 

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