2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (2 Viewers)

[Amused to Death]

Jalen Hurts ranks this season among QB
Rank
Wins 12 1st
Pass Rating 108.4 1st
Pass TD-INT 22-3 1st
Rush TD 10 1st

With nearly identical yds/att & yds/comp as Mahomes.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Jalen will win MVP hands down. You boys got a good one.

We'll see. There's already a swell of "he's a game-manager" starting to circulate. He's now at the exact point in the season as when Wentz played his last game in 2017 and is putting up better overall stats and even just as a passer ranks higher in the NFL than Wentz did in most, and also has one more win.

Yet Wentz was pretty much the consensus MVP front-runner, but Jalen isn't

Jalen will win MVP hands down. You boys got a good one.

We'll see. There's already a swell of "he's a game-manager" starting to circulate. He's now at the exact point in the season as when Wentz played his last game in 2017 and is putting up better overall stats and even just as a passer ranks higher in the NFL than Wentz did in most, and also has one more win.

Yet Wentz was pretty much the consensus MVP front-runner, but Jalen isn't

at "game manager". He's among the best passers in the league and can kill you with his legs. 108.4 QB rating. Keep hating people!

Jalen Hurts ranks this season among QB
Rank
Wins 12 1st
Pass Rating 108.4 1st
Pass TD-INT 22-3 1st
Rush TD 10 1st

12-1 record
1st in QB Rate
1st in INT%
1st in QB rushing TDs
2nd in AY/A
3rd in Y/A
3rd in QB rushing yards
4th in QBR
4th in CMP%
T-4th in TD%
T-5th TD passes
10th in passing yards

 

[babydemon90]

I saw a post where Reagor guaranteed a Vikings victory. :/

I'm not beating a dead horse here but seriously how much of the absence of Reagor and JJaw vs the acquisition of Brown has contributed to this year's success? Hurts and Wentz both those kids opportunities to succeed and they literally dropped the ball. Brown makes many plays look effortless. Ball placement could be a factor but Hurts is still Hurts. I believe there is much more trust factor in the passing game this year. We are winning many 50/50 throws.

One thing we've seen in the NFL over and over is how much good weapons contribute to the success of a QB, especially early on. Amari Cooper for Dak, Brown for Hurts, Diggs for Allen, etc..

 

[The Noid]

I dont think anyone besides DJax thinks Hurts is a game manager at this point.

Just catch up on NFL Twitter the last 18 hours:

Joe from Cincinnati
@JoeFromCinci
Replying to
@Andrew_Russell7
Hurts very clearly has the best team in the NFL surrounding him. I wonder if a game manager still takes that team to the playoffs. To me, MVP means more than just the best player. The most valuable player is the one who increases their team's quality the most, and that's Burrow
7:07 PM · Dec 11, 2022

MiamiCanes7
@MCanes7
Replying to
@RoobNBCS
Hurts is an Alex Smith-type game manager on a talented team with a good running game and defense. Meanwhile the Chiefs don’t win without prolific performances from Mahomes every game… he’s the MVP. And Rueben Frank is a typical homer local “reporter”. Hilarious.
12:24 AM · Dec 12, 2022

Phillip Murphy
@PhillipMurphy
Replying to
@jroc3218
@3lbsobacon
and
@ChiefsAholic
If team success matters then Mahomes is the mvp in 2020 instead of Rodgers. But last I checked MVP is an individual award. On the TOs Mahomes is attempting higher stress throws than Hurts, who’s mostly a game manager.
1:03 AM · Dec 12, 2022

 

[Amused to Death]

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Really good news for Eagles safety Reed Blankenship. He has a low grade knee sprain, according to Mike Garafolo and will only possibly miss a few weeks. Birds are already without CJ Gardner Johnson at safety

 

[massraider]

Just catch up on NFL Twitter the last 18 hours:

"I was wrong about Hurts two years ago, and I am trying to salvage some dignity"

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just catch up on NFL Twitter the last 18 hours:

"I was wrong about Hurts two years ago, and I am trying to salvage some dignity"

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley combined for 20 carries for 58 yards (2.9 YPC) and 0 TDs vs. the Eagles' run defense the last two weeks.

 

[The Noid]

I think we know Siposs is going to miss a few weeks, at least, so it's probably time to have the conversation: do they consider Matt Araiza now that the accusations led to no charges?

I'm leaning toward not risking any bad karma coming to the roster, but realize the pickings are going to be slim for punters at this point in the season. If there was anyone better than the other 31 in the NFL, they would be on a team by now.

 

[Amused to Death]

I think we know Siposs is going to miss a few weeks, at least, so it's probably time to have the conversation: do they consider Matt Araiza now that the accusations led to no charges?

I'm leaning toward not risking any bad karma coming to the roster, but realize the pickings are going to be slim for punters at this point in the season. If there was anyone better than the other 31 in the NFL, they would be on a team by now.

I'm a hard pass on that. "Evidence doesn't support a criminal trial" doesn't mean bad things didn't happen. Just my opinion.

 

[Terpman22]

I think we know Siposs is going to miss a few weeks, at least, so it's probably time to have the conversation: do they consider Matt Araiza now that the accusations led to no charges?

I'm leaning toward not risking any bad karma coming to the roster, but realize the pickings are going to be slim for punters at this point in the season. If there was anyone better than the other 31 in the NFL, they would be on a team by now.

I'm a hard pass on that. "Evidence doesn't support a criminal trial" doesn't mean bad things didn't happen. Just my opinion.

Same boat. Siposs isn't even a good punter really. Should not be hard to find a guy to kick for a few weeks and not royally screw the whole thing up.

 

[jasvic]

I think we know Siposs is going to miss a few weeks, at least, so it's probably time to have the conversation: do they consider Matt Araiza now that the accusations led to no charges?

I'm leaning toward not risking any bad karma coming to the roster, but realize the pickings are going to be slim for punters at this point in the season. If there was anyone better than the other 31 in the NFL, they would be on a team by now.

The scumminess aside, I want a punter with NFL experience if I'm a Super Bowl contender, which they are.

 

[Deamon]

Even if we have the 1 seed wrapped up, Eagles will play everyone (who's healthy) through week 17 guaranteed. Probably will even start the first half of week 18 and then shut it down for the 2nd half.

I don't think so. If we win the next 2, NO and NYG games will be like pre-season games. Rosters are much smaller than during the preseason so you can't logistically sit every single starter, but Hurts isn't seeing the field for sure, and probably a few studs or recently injured guys like AJ, Slay, Goedert, and CJGJ won't either.

Agree with 99% of what you usually say but strongly disagree here. It's just not done anymore to give players a month off. I'm extremely confident they will go full go vs the Saints, treat week 18 like a preseason game (give hurts 1 series), rest week 19, and be ready for week 20. The 09 colts are the only example in recent history of resting players the final TWO weeks.

 

[Deamon]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

 

[renesauz]

Even if we have the 1 seed wrapped up, Eagles will play everyone (who's healthy) through week 17 guaranteed. Probably will even start the first half of week 18 and then shut it down for the 2nd half.

I don't think so. If we win the next 2, NO and NYG games will be like pre-season games. Rosters are much smaller than during the preseason so you can't logistically sit every single starter, but Hurts isn't seeing the field for sure, and probably a few studs or recently injured guys like AJ, Slay, Goedert, and CJGJ won't either.

I go something like a preseason game....starters play a half, unless gimpy. Can't sit for multiple weeks and expect to be sharp. Bye first

 

[Snotbubbles]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

 

[Deamon]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

I could be yes. ANything can happen, it's the NFL. But as of now, there's not 10 other QB's in the league I'd prefer over him. I'd take Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers?, over him in a 1 for 1 trade probably.

Let me ask you this and no dancing around the question. If you were Howie and all 31 teams offered you a straight up 1 for 1 trade of their QB for Hurts, which ones would you say yes to?

 

[Deamon]

I dont think anyone besides DJax thinks Hurts is a game manager at this point.

Just catch up on NFL Twitter the last 18 hours:

Joe from Cincinnati
@JoeFromCinci
Replying to
@Andrew_Russell7
Hurts very clearly has the best team in the NFL surrounding him. I wonder if a game manager still takes that team to the playoffs. To me, MVP means more than just the best player. The most valuable player is the one who increases their team's quality the most, and that's Burrow
7:07 PM · Dec 11, 2022

This was written by a Bengals fan who is pumping up Burrow.

MiamiCanes7
@MCanes7
Replying to
@RoobNBCS
Hurts is an Alex Smith-type game manager on a talented team with a good running game and defense. Meanwhile the Chiefs don’t win without prolific performances from Mahomes every game… he’s the MVP. And Rueben Frank is a typical homer local “reporter”. Hilarious.
12:24 AM · Dec 12, 2022

Sure I agree Mahomes is more "valuable to his team" than Hurts. If the award was given out literally (it's not), then Mahomes should win it. How many times do we have to go through it every year that the MVP is not taken by the voters as "most valuable to his team". You could go down that rabbit hole and probably name a handful of players that fit this category (Andrew Luck the year he didn't play). Like it or not, it's given out almost always to a QB on a great team, who has really good stats.

Phillip Murphy
@PhillipMurphy
Replying to
@jroc3218
@3lbsobacon
and
@ChiefsAholic
If team success matters then Mahomes is the mvp in 2020 instead of Rodgers. But last I checked MVP is an individual award. On the TOs Mahomes is attempting higher stress throws than Hurts, who’s mostly a game manager.
See above. Team success DOES count for the voters. Like it or not, call a spade a spade and analyze who wins the award based on the criteria the voters use.

1:03 AM · Dec 12, 2022

 

[jasvic]

I was looking at Tankathon and noticed something interesting. A common criticism all season was the Eagles "easy" schedule. Funny thing is, both the Chiefs and 49ers have had an easier schedule this season, but no one seems to mention that for them.

Eagles .477
Chiefs .441
49ers .427

 

[Amused to Death]

I was looking at Tankathon and noticed something interesting. A common criticism all season was the Eagles "easy" schedule. Funny thing is, both the Chiefs and 49ers have had an easier schedule this season, but no one seems to mention that for them.

Eagles .477
Chiefs .441
49ers .427

Can you post that link? I'd love to have it handy.

 

[Deamon]

Yet Wentz was pretty much the consensus MVP front-runner, but Jalen isn't

He is the consensus front runner now:

Per MGM:

1. Hurts 1.61
2. Mahomes 3.00
3. Burrow 8.00
4. Allen 19.00
5. Tua 51.00

Per DraftKings:

1. Jalen Hurts, QB, Eagles: -115 (was +175)
2. Patrick Mahomes, QB, Chiefs: +150 (was +125)
3. Joe Burrow, QB, Bengals: +750 (was +600)
4. Tua Tagovailoa, QB, Dolphins: +2000 (was +1200)
5. Josh Allen, QB, Bills: +2000 (was +1400)

 

[jasvic]

I was looking at Tankathon and noticed something interesting. A common criticism all season was the Eagles "easy" schedule. Funny thing is, both the Chiefs and 49ers have had an easier schedule this season, but no one seems to mention that for them.

Eagles .477
Chiefs .441
49ers .427

Can you post that link? I'd love to have it handy.

Tankathon | 2026 NFL Draft Order

2026 NFL Draft order tracker updated after every game. View traded picks in all seven rounds and a live updating Mock Draft after each game.

www.tankathon.com

Was just looking at the NO pick and scrolled down to see it. Probably a better place to view, but this one is sorted by record (obviously).

 

[Amused to Death]

I was looking at Tankathon and noticed something interesting. A common criticism all season was the Eagles "easy" schedule. Funny thing is, both the Chiefs and 49ers have had an easier schedule this season, but no one seems to mention that for them.

Eagles .477
Chiefs .441
49ers .427

Can you post that link? I'd love to have it handy.

Tankathon | 2026 NFL Draft Order

2026 NFL Draft order tracker updated after every game. View traded picks in all seven rounds and a live updating Mock Draft after each game.

www.tankathon.com

Was just looking at the NO pick and scrolled down to see it. Probably a better place to view, but this one is sorted by record (obviously).

Per that link, the Eagles season-long SOS is 0.477. Teams with worse SOS:
KC - 0.411
Balt. - 0.475
SF - 0.427
Sea - 0.454
TB - 0.477, same as Eagles

 

[Deamon]

I was looking at Tankathon and noticed something interesting. A common criticism all season was the Eagles "easy" schedule. Funny thing is, both the Chiefs and 49ers have had an easier schedule this season, but no one seems to mention that for them.

Eagles .477
Chiefs .441
49ers .427

Can you post that link? I'd love to have it handy.

Tankathon | 2026 NFL Draft Order

2026 NFL Draft order tracker updated after every game. View traded picks in all seven rounds and a live updating Mock Draft after each game.

www.tankathon.com

Was just looking at the NO pick and scrolled down to see it. Probably a better place to view, but this one is sorted by record (obviously).

Per that link, the Eagles season-long SOS is 0.477. Teams with worse SOS:
KC - 0.411
Balt. - 0.475
SF - 0.427
Sea - 0.454
TB - 0.477, same as Eagles

SOS is a weird one. We are 12-1 so we have made the record of all of our opponents worse too. We also don't have to play ourselves obviously. The 6 lowest SOS teams are in the playoffs right now.

 

[renesauz]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

I could be yes. ANything can happen, it's the NFL. But as of now, there's not 10 other QB's in the league I'd prefer over him. I'd take Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers?, over him in a 1 for 1 trade probably.

Let me ask you this and no dancing around the question. If you were Howie and all 31 teams offered you a straight up 1 for 1 trade of their QB for Hurts, which ones would you say yes to?

right now? Maybe three. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert. Not 100% sure I'd do even them the way Hurts is playing right now...which is the best in the league. But those three are a touch more certain going forward

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Let me ask you this and no dancing around the question. If you were Howie and all 31 teams offered you a straight up 1 for 1 trade of their QB for Hurts, which ones would you say yes to?

right now? Maybe three. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert. Not 100% sure I'd do even them the way Hurts is playing right now...which is the best in the league. But those three are a touch more certain going forward

great list, those three guys are the only ones i thought of also. they have the history to believe their successes aren't a fluke. 2022 Hurts is ahead of all of those guys, he'll need one more season of even 90% of 2022 next year to solidify his place in the elite tier. awesome start to a long successful career as the Eagles franchise QB hopefully.

 

[Deamon]

right now? Maybe three. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert. Not 100% sure I'd do even them the way Hurts is playing right now...which is the best in the league. But those three are a touch more certain going forward

Haha well I know you'd have a list like that, I was more curious who snotbubbles and Djax would have in their list or if they'd dance around/dodge the question.

 

[renesauz]

right now? Maybe three. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert. Not 100% sure I'd do even them the way Hurts is playing right now...which is the best in the league. But those three are a touch more certain going forward

Haha well I know you'd have a list like that, I was more curious who snotbubbles and Djax would have in their list or if they'd dance around/dodge the question.

Recall I was siding with DJax on Hurts back as recently as week 3 or 4. He's done nothing but prove me wrong ever since though.

I could see an argument for Burrow too.

 

[Amused to Death]

reat list, those three guys are the only ones i thought of also. they have the history to believe their successes aren't a fluke. 2022 Hurts is ahead of all of those guys, he'll need one more season of even 90% of 2022 next year to solidify his place in the elite tier. awesome start to a long successful career as the Eagles franchise QB hopefully.

To the bolded, yes 2022 Hurts is ahead of all of them in their second year as a starter. I think his numbers most resemble Josh Allen's in both rushing and passing. Allen's numbers took a dip in his third full season as a starter (2021, age 25). HIs INTs went from 10 to 15, his yds/att & yds/comp both dropped by a yard, and his QB rating fell from 107.2 to 92.2.

No one will argue Allen isn't one of the best young QBs in the league. I wonder what will happen if Hurts has a similar drop. He's certainly setting a high bar and if/when he fails to live up to it, the haters will be out. Just wait till he loses another game.

 

[Deamon]

reat list, those three guys are the only ones i thought of also. they have the history to believe their successes aren't a fluke. 2022 Hurts is ahead of all of those guys, he'll need one more season of even 90% of 2022 next year to solidify his place in the elite tier. awesome start to a long successful career as the Eagles franchise QB hopefully.

To the bolded, yes 2022 Hurts is ahead of all of them in their second year as a starter. I think his numbers most resemble Josh Allen's in both rushing and passing. Allen's numbers took a dip in his third full season as a starter (2021, age 25). HIs INTs went from 10 to 15, his yds/att & yds/comp both dropped by a yard, and his QB rating fell from 107.2 to 92.2.

No one will argue Allen isn't one of the best young QBs in the league. I wonder what will happen if Hurts has a similar drop. He's certainly setting a high bar and if/when he fails to live up to it, the haters will be out. Just wait till he loses another game.

Yep, he doesn't need to have the success/numbers he's having this year to be our franchise QB. I don't put him in the top 5, but I do for sure have him in the top 10. Very curious where Djax would rank him and the names he'd give of the qb's he would rather instead. I believe someone has asked him this numerous times and he has predictably ignored the question.

 

[need2know]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

I could be yes. ANything can happen, it's the NFL. But as of now, there's not 10 other QB's in the league I'd prefer over him. I'd take Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers?, over him in a 1 for 1 trade probably.

Let me ask you this and no dancing around the question. If you were Howie and all 31 teams offered you a straight up 1 for 1 trade of their QB for Hurts, which ones would you say yes to?

right now? Maybe three. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert. Not 100% sure I'd do even them the way Hurts is playing right now...which is the best in the league. But those three are a touch more certain going forward

You forgot wentz

 

[DJackson10]

The Smith TD never should've been thrown it was a poor decision

Counterpoint: It went for a TD, so it actually WAS a good decision.
Smith had his guy beat, the single safety just made a great opening move and burst to even get close there. A pick there would have been very unlikely. If he times it better he could probably have jarred the ball loose, but he needed to make a perfect angle at full speed to make a play.

It was also on 4th down and Smith caught it at the 15. So not a huge risk. And Hurts has been giving his WRs the chance to come down with those 50/50 throws. Since he's only thrown 3 INTs I'd say he's doing a pretty good job. It was a perfectly thrown ball to boot.

I think he's been lucky on several throws and Smith isn't the guy I want going up for those balls like AJ. They were in no mans land. I liked going for it just not the pass there. It worked out yes but just because something worked doesn't mean it was right. Love went for the big hit here when he should've just went for the ball. PDF incompletion you give your offense good field position. I do wish there was a stat for QB's similar to ERA's where you can see how lucky or not QBs are with throws each year. I remember a 2 instances one pitcher doing great out of no where other not doing as well. The pitcher doing great looking at his advanced stats he was getting hit hard but right to his fielders and he was striking out hitters at a career rate. The next year he had an ERA over 4.5. I think the other pitcher was Cole Hamels having a bad year. His extended stats showed bats weren't being hit hard and a few of the hits were lucky. He bounced back the following year to his career avgs.

Either way it'd be really interesting talk and help QBs as well but I don't know if there's a way to do that. I do think a certain category should be for tipped INTs from receivers etc to show what kind of INT it was.

 

[DJackson10]

With as much improvement as we've seen from Hurts, the great improvement we got from Sanders doesn't get talked about enough.

TBH, not sure Sanders has really improved ....he's been healthy.

yep like Les Bowen said on his after game day Facebook write up Miles Sanders will get paid just elsewhere. Sanders has held onto the ball better but health is always a question with him similar to his running mate from College Barkley.

 

[DJackson10]

With as much improvement as we've seen from Hurts, the great improvement we got from Sanders doesn't get talked about enough.

TBH, not sure Sanders has really improved ....he's been healthy.

No way. He is a completely different player now. The YPC is still there, but he lives inside way more these days than outside, taking the yards that are there. We gotta re-sign him (along with the other 33 key free agents).

I was SO READY to be extra this week if Houston was able to pull out that win.

We are the best team in the league. Its not close.

Super Bowl Team.

I'm not spending big money on an RB. I can find a RB similar to Sanders for cheap. Spending big on RB is a waste of economical resources considering their shelf life unless built like a 3 down back. Let him walk and take the pick. Draft a complimentary back or sign a vet to use with Kenny G. With the other signings and people possible on contract extensions can't keep everyone. We need to re-beef up the DLINE and get some young secondary players. TOP PRIORITY SHOULD BE RESIGNING CJGJ This offseason. Bradberry might want to much. I'd like to see them sign another guy for the Secondary and draft a Corner who can start along with a Safety to replace Epps at some point. Make Blankenship first safety off the bench.

I remember the convo when People were arguing over getting Wentz or Elliot RBs don't have the shelf life a good QB could have Elliot doesn't look as good anymore and Tony Bpollard is eating into his playing time. Zeke was signed to huge money he's not even living up now. Lets not make the same mistake here as Dal. let someone else overpay. Unless Sanders is coming back on the cheap, thanks for your services to the Eagles we wish you luck in your future endeavors.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

S Anthony Harris visits NovaCare Monday

Nice timing that he just got released from DEN. Perfect pick-up with Blankenship's knee sprain.

Also, according to Schefty on twitter, they are signing ex-Titans Punter Brett Kern.

 

[DJackson10]

Jalen will win MVP hands down. You boys got a good one.

We'll see. There's already a swell of "he's a game-manager" starting to circulate. He's now at the exact point in the season as when Wentz played his last game in 2017 and is putting up better overall stats and even just as a passer ranks higher in the NFL than Wentz did in most, and also has one more win.

Yet Wentz was pretty much the consensus MVP front-runner, but Jalen isn't

This was argued on the Crossing Broad page a few days ago last week. Looked into the numbers and Hurts has less stellar opponents then Wentz played Defensively. Den was a top 5 Defense and we put up 51 and ran out of fire works. Wentz was also sitting by the 4th QTR most weeks too. I remember 4 times at least he was sitting with game in hand in the 4th. Hurts has done well for sure but if we are going by college strength of schedule rules Wentz played the better schedule that year. Based on the year before the Eagles had a tie of a top 1O schedule where this years schedule was one of the softest.

I applaud Hurts for doing what he's suppose to vs the teams we are put in play for us. Wentz was pole position in TD passes for 3 weeks after he got hurt. Brady took 3 weeks to catch up to him at that point. Personally don't care who wins individual awards I just want team awards Division conference and League. Individual cool but given the MVP history in the SB let someone else carry that curse.

I also think it's premature to be talking SB here. We've been down this road before. Best team in NFL/NFC only to **** the bed in our first playoff game or blow the NFC title game for whatever reason or a flukey thing like a cheap shot. Who's to say it doesn't happen again? Season is worthless if we can't at least win one playoff game but considering how well we played I think we need to at least be a NFC finalist playing to reach a SB at this point now. Anything less people will just call our season a fluke and we had an easy schedule.

 

[DJackson10]

Even if we have the 1 seed wrapped up, Eagles will play everyone (who's healthy) through week 17 guaranteed. Probably will even start the first half of week 18 and then shut it down for the 2nd half.

I don't think so. If we win the next 2, NO and NYG games will be like pre-season games. Rosters are much smaller than during the preseason so you can't logistically sit every single starter, but Hurts isn't seeing the field for sure, and probably a few studs or recently injured guys like AJ, Slay, Goedert, and CJGJ won't either.

You think Hurts should go a month straight without any game time? That seems like a bad idea.

Even if he was in for a series or two, they aren't going to have him in there doing anything remotely close to what he would be doing in a meaningful game. He can get those kinds of reps in practice where he's wearing a red jersey. No way this team, with their focus on minimizing player wear and tear, will want to risk a fluke injury.

I still think they would do it if they were 15-0 going into those last 2 games.

In 2004 we kept McNabb and other starters out for over 3 weeks before the playoffs and beat MIN (and ATL) with no "rust" issues. Resting for a few weeks after 4 months of the NFL grind is not the same as starting a new preseason/season after 5 months of not playing. They'll be fine.

But...let's just hope this actually turns into a real discussion. Gotta win these next two, baby!

Practice and game reps are completely differently He needs to play. We don't have a full roster to be resting guys 2-3 weeks. It also kills the reps and Live game reps and practice aren't the same. I also don't want it to be used as an excuse for Hurts or anyone if we did loose in playoff game.

We were a veteran team back then This is a much younger team with a young coach. You keep playing. If you are afraid of guys getting hurt this isn't the sport for you to be in. Play em in the first half rest second half sure. At the very least its all men on Deck for the Saints game for that pick.

 

[DJackson10]

S Anthony Harris visits NovaCare Monday

Nice timing that he just got released from DEN. Perfect pick-up with Blankenship's knee sprain.

Also, according to Schefty on twitter, they are signing ex-Titans Punter Brett Kern.

BK was only beat out by a guy who's top 3 in Punting when he was cut by Tenn so it's not like he isn't any good. Tenn just went with a younger talent who's just as good

 

[DJackson10]

I dont think anyone besides DJax thinks Hurts is a game manager at this point.

Just catch up on NFL Twitter the last 18 hours:

Joe from Cincinnati
@JoeFromCinci
Replying to
@Andrew_Russell7
Hurts very clearly has the best team in the NFL surrounding him. I wonder if a game manager still takes that team to the playoffs. To me, MVP means more than just the best player. The most valuable player is the one who increases their team's quality the most, and that's Burrow
7:07 PM · Dec 11, 2022

MiamiCanes7
@MCanes7
Replying to
@RoobNBCS
Hurts is an Alex Smith-type game manager on a talented team with a good running game and defense. Meanwhile the Chiefs don’t win without prolific performances from Mahomes every game… he’s the MVP. And Rueben Frank is a typical homer local “reporter”. Hilarious.
12:24 AM · Dec 12, 2022

Phillip Murphy
@PhillipMurphy
Replying to
@jroc3218
@3lbsobacon
and
@ChiefsAholic
If team success matters then Mahomes is the mvp in 2020 instead of Rodgers. But last I checked MVP is an individual award. On the TOs Mahomes is attempting higher stress throws than Hurts, who’s mostly a game manager.
1:03 AM · Dec 12, 2022

I remember having these MVP convos with people for years and the bolded is something I always argue. There's no question the Eagles depending how they went this year the question is how well Hurts would play. Any Rational person said at the beginning of the year including me if he's just avg better this team can be successful because he already has the talent around him to succeed. The Eagles have the defense iMHO right now if the offense and Hurts struggles to win the game. In that regard I think you can argue only player over Hurts is Mahomes.

Either way arguing MVP is stupid. Do we want a dam SB or do we want an MVP and no super bowl. This convo just reminds me of the Jokic/Embiid talk from Sixers fans because it was more meaningful for Embiid to win it since it was the only award the team and fans had a shot at last year. We're a playoff team with a shot at a SB. Let the lesser teams argue about individual awards.

 

[DJackson10]

I think we know Siposs is going to miss a few weeks, at least, so it's probably time to have the conversation: do they consider Matt Araiza now that the accusations led to no charges?

I'm leaning toward not risking any bad karma coming to the roster, but realize the pickings are going to be slim for punters at this point in the season. If there was anyone better than the other 31 in the NFL, they would be on a team by now.

No because even though he had no charges theres still a pending PI

 

[DJackson10]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

We see too many guys have great seasons then flame out. Case Keenum in 17?

 

[DJackson10]

Add Kyler Murray to the list too

 

[jon007]

I absolutely love Big Play Slay...NSFW

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I was looking at Tankathon and noticed something interesting. A common criticism all season was the Eagles "easy" schedule. Funny thing is, both the Chiefs and 49ers have had an easier schedule this season, but no one seems to mention that for them.

Eagles .477
Chiefs .441
49ers .427

That's gotta be a function of how the respective divisions have performed. The NFC East was expected to be weak and has actually been the best division in football, but some people haven't adjusted their perception from a strength-of-schedule perspective. Whereas teams in the AFC West not named the Chiefs and teams in the NFC West not named the 49ers and Seahawks have been worse than expected.

 

[babydemon90]

Minshew will be a FA next year... maybe after Washington cuts Wentz we can bring him back as a cheap backup...

 

[Snotbubbles]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

I could be yes. ANything can happen, it's the NFL. But as of now, there's not 10 other QB's in the league I'd prefer over him. I'd take Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers?, over him in a 1 for 1 trade probably.

Let me ask you this and no dancing around the question. If you were Howie and all 31 teams offered you a straight up 1 for 1 trade of their QB for Hurts, which ones would you say yes to?

Based off what he did this season, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert. But I don't know if he'll ever be as good as he is this year again. He'll need to be even better when he's making $40-50M per year and we have to get rid of 3 or 4 really good starters to accommodate his salary.

 

[fred_1_15301]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

I could be yes. ANything can happen, it's the NFL. But as of now, there's not 10 other QB's in the league I'd prefer over him. I'd take Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers?, over him in a 1 for 1 trade probably.

Let me ask you this and no dancing around the question. If you were Howie and all 31 teams offered you a straight up 1 for 1 trade of their QB for Hurts, which ones would you say yes to?

Based off what he did this season, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert. But I don't know if he'll ever be as good as he is this year again. He'll need to be even better when he's making $40-50M per year and we have to get rid of 3 or 4 really good starters to accommodate his salary.

I would say Hurts is in the top 6 easily. Outside of the 4 you listed, Lamar Jackson is the only other one who pops out that could go above Hurts. The rest of the QBs in the league are all either unproven, aging or just not that good. But you put any of those other 5 guys on this Eagles team and I bet they would be having ridiculous seasons as well. The Eagles team is completely loaded everywhere and none of the other QBs have that luxury. Obviously a trade straight up for Mahomes or Allen is a no brainer since they're proven young studs. Not sure about all of the other guys since Hurts has shown great accuracy and is more mobile than the others (other than Lamar).

 

[Snotbubbles]

It all just kills me. Why is it not ok to be wrong about a player? How many of these same people play FFB and are wrong about dozens of players every single year? I’ll never understand the doubling down.

Exactly. I HATED the Hurts pick. I didn't think he was a good enough QB to be our franchise QB. What is so awful about being wrong? The NFL is a fluid league... things change so fast, unexpected crazy outcomes happen both individually and to teams.

It doesn't make you less of a person to be wrong about an assessment of a player. If anything, it makes you a better person for being able to admit it. And especially to enjoy it if it's your own team.

You might still be right about Hurts. Wentz put together a great year and he flamed out. Cam Newton won an MVP and never achieved the same success. We'll see...

I could be yes. ANything can happen, it's the NFL. But as of now, there's not 10 other QB's in the league I'd prefer over him. I'd take Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers?, over him in a 1 for 1 trade probably.

Let me ask you this and no dancing around the question. If you were Howie and all 31 teams offered you a straight up 1 for 1 trade of their QB for Hurts, which ones would you say yes to?

Based off what he did this season, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert. But I don't know if he'll ever be as good as he is this year again. He'll need to be even better when he's making $40-50M per year and we have to get rid of 3 or 4 really good starters to accommodate his salary.

I would say Hurts is in the top 6 easily. Outside of the 4 you listed, Lamar Jackson is the only other one who pops out that could go above Hurts. The rest of the QBs in the league are all either unproven, aging or just not that good. But you put any of those other 5 guys on this Eagles team and I bet they would be having ridiculous seasons as well. The Eagles team is completely loaded everywhere and none of the other QBs have that luxury. Obviously a trade straight up for Mahomes or Allen is a no brainer since they're proven young studs. Not sure about all of the other guys since Hurts has shown great accuracy and is more mobile than the others (other than Lamar).

I love what Hurts is doing this year, the bar has been raised. The question is, will he ever reach this level again or will we spend the next 5 years chasing this type of performance only to be disappointed. At least with guys like Mahomes, Allen, Herbert and Burrow they have put together multiple seasons of good QB play.

 

[The Noid]

Quinn’s roster spot went to DL Janarius Robinson who is coming off IR, and they also waived Andre Chachere, who I guess could come back to the PS and be a call-up because that really leaves them thin at Safety now. Unless they are going to sign one (Anthony Harris?)

Week delayed (Blankenship injury probably clinched it), but Harris is officially back.

With Maddox already back on the 53, and Goedert due to be back this week, someone has to get cut or go to IR.

 

[The Noid]

Quinn’s roster spot went to DL Janarius Robinson who is coming off IR, and they also waived Andre Chachere, who I guess could come back to the PS and be a call-up because that really leaves them thin at Safety now. Unless they are going to sign one (Anthony Harris?)

Week delayed (Blankenship injury probably clinched it), but Harris is officially back.

With Maddox already back on the 53, and Goedert due ti be back this week, someone has to get cut or go to IR.

Official signing of Harris is to the PS, so he’ll be a call up, at least for this week (and eligible for 3 call-ups total.)

He was on our PS to open the season after his underwhelming 2021 season 2022 training camp, and then asked to be released so he could sign with the DEN practice squad, where he eventually got signed to their active roster. So temper your expectations. I’ll be happy if he can be better than Wallace for a couple weeks, before we get Blankenship and CJGJ back.