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2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (3 Viewers)

Great lists. I’d put Randall ahead of Byars but the rest is spot on
My thinking on Byars being more universally beloved among the fanbase than Randall is the "could do no wrong" test. Byars was a hard-nosed grinder that had the "blue-collar" work ethic the city and its fans love. If he fumbled in a big spot, all would be forgiven because of the sweat equity he had built up by doing the dirty work on short yardage runs or trucking over linebackers after catching a pass in the flat. His effort was never questioned.

Meanwhile, Randall had numerous "prima donna" moments and controversies that left many fans questioning his commitment and attitude, and if he made a bone-headed play or committed a costly error, the fans would let him have it. The passage of time and nostalgia have certainly helped his legacy, but there's still a not-insignificant pocket of the fan base that think he was more frustrating and disappointing in his time here, than an all-time great. Similarly, that's why I wouldn't put McNabb up there.

Just last week was a great example of the "could do no wrong" test. Kelce probably had his worst game of the year at the absolute worst time to have it, but he's not catching a single stray from the many frustrations that came out of that game. And look at Foles, who has proven to be unsuccessful at every other stop in his career and is 4+ years removed from his last bit of NFL success, yet in 5 minutes you could find 100 fans in the lots tomorrow wholly convinced he could/should replace Minshew :lol:
 
I'm more than happy I was dead wrong on this one. BG is slowly creeping his way onto Mt Rushmore Eagle status. Some more playoff heroics and a 2nd Super Bowl and maybe he gets there.
I think he’s already there, if we’re talking players universally beloved by the fan base as the embodiment of a “true Eagle” during his era (regardless of how long they played here or what their stats were.)

From the ‘00-‘20 era, I think BG is on there along with Dawkins, Kelce, and Foles (who I think benefited from the Wentz downfall to cement his immortal status; if Carson had continued on his expected trajectory there would have been a lot of hesitancy to embrace Foles unconditionally because it would make many fans feel disloyal to Wentz.)

For the ‘80-‘99 era, it would be: Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Mike Quick, Keith Byars

‘60-‘79: Chuck Bednarick, Harold Carmichael, Bill Bergey, Vince Papale

Pre-‘60: Steve Van Buren, Pete Retzlaf, Tom Brookshier, Tommy McDonald

Anyway, back to BG, I don’t know if he can crack an All-Time top-4 Mount Rushmore but he’s definitely an “all-time great” among the top 25 or so. 4th in team history for sacks, 4th in games played, Eagles draft pick, played every game in the NFL with the Eagles, SB clinching strip-sack, and an Eagles Walter Payton Man of the Year. I think those credentials put him ahead of other “all-time greats” like Joyner, Simmons, Trotter, etc.
fun conversation for off-season. i would rather make a Mt. Rushmore with 20 heads and throw my man Andre Waters up there
 
Unreal. There's apparently also talk of the playoffs expanding this year only to 8 teams per conference and eliminating the bye in BOTH conferences.
Wait what?
Some commentator floated that as a suggestion. There's nothing from the NFL considering that as a possible alternative - that would be a disaster. There's a better chance they do the ping pong ball approach.
Teams that were eliminated and have been elevating backups and such for facetime this week getting one day notice that they are still in it? No chance.

That report was from a website that is usually known for hyperbole and such. The suggestion that site makes on sports trades is even sketchy and most of their articles make zero sense.
 
It won't happen, and it looks like he's not even considered a contender, but Brandon Graham should be Comeback Player of The Year. Coming off an Achilles injury, age 34, getting his first double digit sack season. Its a good story. He's such a great great all timer time of Eagle, just a dude you can't help but respect for his on and off field character. Add 20 sacks to his career and he's probably on the edge of the Hall of Fame. Happy for the year and recovery he's had and obvious his role as a pass rusher specialist he is flourishing in, still.

I remember when people bitched about getting him over Earl Thomas. BG proved a lot of people wrong helped win a SB. BTW anyone know what ET is doing these days because he isn't playing in the NFL.
 
It won't happen, and it looks like he's not even considered a contender, but Brandon Graham should be Comeback Player of The Year. Coming off an Achilles injury, age 34, getting his first double digit sack season. Its a good story. He's such a great great all timer time of Eagle, just a dude you can't help but respect for his on and off field character. Add 20 sacks to his career and he's probably on the edge of the Hall of Fame. Happy for the year and recovery he's had and obvious his role as a pass rusher specialist he is flourishing in, still.
Something we wouldn't have predicted a long time ago: Graham is still in the league -- and playing at a high level -- and Earl Thomas isn't.

I thought ET was a good player but I thought numerous people overrated him especially here just because of the need for safety. ET played well good career 9 seasons and missed 19 games his last 4 seasons. I also thought a lot of those SEA players were good system guys. What have any of them done outside of Golden Tate since leaving because he's the only one I can think of that had better success outside of SEA then in?
 
Just last week was a great example of the "could do no wrong" test. Kelce probably had his worst game of the year at the absolute worst time to have it, but he's not catching a single stray from the many frustrations that came out of that game. And look at Foles, who has proven to be unsuccessful at every other stop in his career and is 4+ years removed from his last bit of NFL success, yet in 5 minutes you could find 100 fans in the lots tomorrow wholly convinced he could/should replace Minshew :lol:

Never got the Nick Foles infatuation other then he helped win a SB. I remember when Carson went down and FOles looked like Dog **** and fans were saying lost season. He wins a SB and it's replace Wentz with Foles and other banter. If you look at Foles 2nd time in Philly he failed other then the playoff run. Put up below avg starter numbers as well. People also blame ALshon in the NO Playoff game but Foles threw a really bad drive killing INT in that game early that cost the Eagles points. Against a poorest TB Seconday yes he threw for over 3OOyds but he failed to throw a TD pass that game. People wanted him to replace Wentz but he couldn't even play as good when he did play for him.

Also from people I talked to they basically said without the Bye week they would've been probably ****ed in 17. The extra week allowed DeFilip and Reich to work with Foles and implement the RPO stuff he was successful with during his best season here under Chip. Foles is a good dude but I never god the infatuation with fans loving the back ups more here then the starter.

On top of all of that you still have the weird hatred people have for Andy Reid. Most successful coach in Eagles history yes he didn't win a SB but he turned our franchise around from being a laughing stock and huge part of what we are today. Several of his drafted players were around and key parts of us winning a SB and yet he's still hated by some.
 
Happy for Doug. I knew he'd stabilize that franchise. Didn't think he'd win the division but Titans collapse certainly helped.
He won a horrifically bad division, but you play who you play and he won the games he needed to win. The Titans would have been a snoozefest in the playoffs so I'm glad they're not in.
 
I truly don’t get the Gannon hate in this town. By every available metric, we have a top 1-2 defense. Honestly, the only defense that gives us a run for the money is SF. Record breaking pass rush (while almost never blitzing), second most team interceptions in the league (CJGJ is tied for first in that category and my man hasn’t played in months). I just don’t get it. This isn’t Juan Castillo FFS.

Is it just that he doesn’t blitz and everyone in Philly just wants Buddyball or Jim Johnson? Someone explain.
 
I truly don’t get the Gannon hate in this town. By every available metric, we have a top 1-2 defense. Honestly, the only defense that gives us a run for the money is SF. Record breaking pass rush (while almost never blitzing), second most team interceptions in the league (CJGJ is tied for first in that category and my man hasn’t played in months). I just don’t get it. This isn’t Juan Castillo FFS.

Is it just that he doesn’t blitz and everyone in Philly just wants Buddyball or Jim Johnson? Someone explain.
Is the defense good because of coaching or talent? Does Gannon get more out of the players he has? From what I've seen, the answer is no. Run defense was an issue early and it got better, not because of Gannon, but because they signed Suh and Joseph. I know coaches aren't miracle workers, but how many times under Schwartz would the secondary get decimated by injury and they'd still be good enough to win.

I don't feel it's the blitzing per se, but more of his philosophy in not give up big plays and hope for the offense to make a mistake as opposed to forcing the offense into mistakes. So if a QB is slightly competent, they march down the field and complete 80% of their passes, while using up over half the clock. It's not a style that will limit good teams on a regular basis.

So yeah, I'm in the camp of smell you later Gannon, and not understanding what he's done to get all the head coaching buzz.
 
I truly don’t get the Gannon hate in this town. By every available metric, we have a top 1-2 defense. Honestly, the only defense that gives us a run for the money is SF. Record breaking pass rush (while almost never blitzing), second most team interceptions in the league (CJGJ is tied for first in that category and my man hasn’t played in months). I just don’t get it. This isn’t Juan Castillo FFS.

Is it just that he doesn’t blitz and everyone in Philly just wants Buddyball or Jim Johnson? Someone explain.
Is the defense good because of coaching or talent? Does Gannon get more out of the players he has? From what I've seen, the answer is no. Run defense was an issue early and it got better, not because of Gannon, but because they signed Suh and Joseph. I know coaches aren't miracle workers, but how many times under Schwartz would the secondary get decimated by injury and they'd still be good enough to win.

I don't feel it's the blitzing per se, but more of his philosophy in not give up big plays and hope for the offense to make a mistake as opposed to forcing the offense into mistakes. So if a QB is slightly competent, they march down the field and complete 80% of their passes, while using up over half the clock. It's not a style that will limit good teams on a regular basis.

So yeah, I'm in the camp of smell you later Gannon, and not understanding what he's done to get all the head coaching buzz.p
Schwartz gave up tons of points. He was just as unwilling to change as Gannon supposedly is. This defense is better than anything that Schwartz rolled out there.

And I don’t see how having talent nullifies the coaching. And let’s be honest, was this talent clear prior to this season? BG is having his best season after a decade of being here, Suh and Joseph were dudes on the street prior to signing here, Reddick was seemingly a journeyman prior to this season, CJGJ was good but not to extent he was this year, TJ Edwards, Josh Sweat..these guys were not seen as being world beaters prior to this year. The only known stud coming into the season was Slay and I guess Bradberry.

Gannon has to get some credit. This defense is one of the best in the league.
 
Happy for Doug. I knew he'd stabilize that franchise. Didn't think he'd win the division but Titans collapse certainly helped.

Happy for the guy but its a weak division. If TENN doesn't find a QB and upgrade the secondary JAX could be running that Division for awhile again. Doug's a good guy I just think he was a bit in over his head here.
 
I know coaches aren't miracle workers, but how many times under Schwartz would the secondary get decimated by injury and they'd still be good enough to win.

secondary was never good enough after injuries. It's why my coworkers son and Corey Udlin stayed after practice to teach the guys the defense because Schwartz wouldn't adapt for guys coming off the street. It's one of the reasons Udlin left. The defense talent hid a lot of Schwartz weakness. Gannon changed the defense a bit coverage wise to fit Scott in there something JS never would've done.

I'd rather not give up the big plays honestly. A lot of people still think we're in Buddy Ryan era defenses but we aren't. This is also something I hate about guys like Seth Joyner as an analyst. Game has passed him so his takes that were maybe good a 15 yrs ago aren't really what Football is today.

My question though becomes everyone who wants to give up on Gannon who's replacing him? Who out there is a legit.
 
I truly don’t get the Gannon hate in this town. By every available metric, we have a top 1-2 defense. Honestly, the only defense that gives us a run for the money is SF. Record breaking pass rush (while almost never blitzing), second most team interceptions in the league (CJGJ is tied for first in that category and my man hasn’t played in months). I just don’t get it. This isn’t Juan Castillo FFS.

Is it just that he doesn’t blitz and everyone in Philly just wants Buddyball or Jim Johnson? Someone explain.
Is the defense good because of coaching or talent? Does Gannon get more out of the players he has? From what I've seen, the answer is no. Run defense was an issue early and it got better, not because of Gannon, but because they signed Suh and Joseph. I know coaches aren't miracle workers, but how many times under Schwartz would the secondary get decimated by injury and they'd still be good enough to win.

I don't feel it's the blitzing per se, but more of his philosophy in not give up big plays and hope for the offense to make a mistake as opposed to forcing the offense into mistakes. So if a QB is slightly competent, they march down the field and complete 80% of their passes, while using up over half the clock. It's not a style that will limit good teams on a regular basis.

So yeah, I'm in the camp of smell you later Gannon, and not understanding what he's done to get all the head coaching buzz.p
Schwartz gave up tons of points. He was just as unwilling to change as Gannon supposedly is. This defense is better than anything that Schwartz rolled out there.

And I don’t see how having talent nullifies the coaching. And let’s be honest, was this talent clear prior to this season? BG is having his best season after a decade of being here, Suh and Joseph were dudes on the street prior to signing here, Reddick was seemingly a journeyman prior to this season, CJGJ was good but not to extent he was this year, TJ Edwards, Josh Sweat..these guys were not seen as being world beaters prior to this year. The only known stud coming into the season was Slay and I guess Bradberry.

Gannon has to get some credit. This defense is one of the best in the league.
I hear ya but man, Darby, Mills and Rasul are a world of difference than Slay, Bradberry Avonte. Not to mention that 2017 had ZERO 10+ sack guys and this defense has 4 11+ guys. Hard to separate really, but I think a lot of us are just sick of the same situational failures and stuff like that. But I'm also one of those people who think JG is holding things back on purpose to get an edge on future gameplans. Eagles by a million today. Go Birds!
 
Is the defense good because of coaching or talent? Does Gannon get more out of the players he has? From what I've seen, the answer is no.
Laughable.

Look at the players who were under both DC’s and look at the difference now. It’s not even close. Look at Sweat, Graham, pick any LBer you want. How about Maddux? How was Bradberry last year?

The hate is simple as it always is here. We have a type and if you’re not the grit of the city and attacking on every play you suck.
 
2021-“Gannon sucks. I hope some team takes him!!”

Eagles add a bunch of talent

Fans “THERES NO EXCUSE NOW GANNON!!!!”

2022- one of the best defenses in football in almost every major category

Fans- “YOU STILL SUCK AND I HOPE YOU LEAVE!!!”
 
I know coaches aren't miracle workers, but how many times under Schwartz would the secondary get decimated by injury and they'd still be good enough to win.

secondary was never good enough after injuries. It's why my coworkers son and Corey Udlin stayed after practice to teach the guys the defense because Schwartz wouldn't adapt for guys coming off the street. It's one of the reasons Udlin left. The defense talent hid a lot of Schwartz weakness. Gannon changed the defense a bit coverage wise to fit Scott in there something JS never would've done.

I'd rather not give up the big plays honestly. A lot of people still think we're in Buddy Ryan era defenses but we aren't. This is also something I hate about guys like Seth Joyner as an analyst. Game has passed him so his takes that were maybe good a 15 yrs ago aren't really what Football is today.

My question though becomes everyone who wants to give up on Gannon who's replacing him? Who out there is a legit.
This is where I'm at as well. I don't deny the talent level on this defense, but Gannon does a hell of a job, IMO. He actually adjusts really well.

Saints offense scored 13 points in the first half and zero in the second half
Cowboys kicked the defenses butts for four quarters-no adjustments made here, admittedly. ETA: This is a game where, I believe they played a vanilla defense giving them basically no looks with the expectation that they could face the Boys again in the playoffs.
Bears scored 1 TD in each of the second, third and fourth quarter. Defense played pretty good game throughout.
Giants basically scored 14 points. The 4th quarter TD was a gift. Defense played great this game.
Tennessee had a good opening drive that ended in a TD. That was followed by 1 FG and 7 punts. Basically lights out for 3.75 quarters.
Packers had a good first quarter and then scored 6, 3 and 10. Again the last TD was a gift as we were up by 20
Colts similar to Tenn. Good opening drive for a TD then never hit paydirt again-16 total points.
Washington played well against us but we shot ourselves in the foot over and over in that game.
Texans scored 17, Jags scored 21, Washington scored 8!, Minny 7!

The point is, with exception to the Dallas loss and Washington loss, teams basically don't score TD's against us in the second half other than garbage time BS TD's because we're up by 3 scores.
 
I truly don’t get the Gannon hate in this town. By every available metric, we have a top 1-2 defense. Honestly, the only defense that gives us a run for the money is SF. Record breaking pass rush (while almost never blitzing), second most team interceptions in the league (CJGJ is tied for first in that category and my man hasn’t played in months). I just don’t get it. This isn’t Juan Castillo FFS.

Is it just that he doesn’t blitz and everyone in Philly just wants Buddyball or Jim Johnson? Someone explain.
Is the defense good because of coaching or talent? Does Gannon get more out of the players he has? From what I've seen, the answer is no. Run defense was an issue early and it got better, not because of Gannon, but because they signed Suh and Joseph. I know coaches aren't miracle workers, but how many times under Schwartz would the secondary get decimated by injury and they'd still be good enough to win.

I don't feel it's the blitzing per se, but more of his philosophy in not give up big plays and hope for the offense to make a mistake as opposed to forcing the offense into mistakes. So if a QB is slightly competent, they march down the field and complete 80% of their passes, while using up over half the clock. It's not a style that will limit good teams on a regular basis.

So yeah, I'm in the camp of smell you later Gannon, and not understanding what he's done to get all the head coaching buzz.p
Schwartz gave up tons of points. He was just as unwilling to change as Gannon supposedly is. This defense is better than anything that Schwartz rolled out there.

And I don’t see how having talent nullifies the coaching. And let’s be honest, was this talent clear prior to this season? BG is having his best season after a decade of being here, Suh and Joseph were dudes on the street prior to signing here, Reddick was seemingly a journeyman prior to this season, CJGJ was good but not to extent he was this year, TJ Edwards, Josh Sweat..these guys were not seen as being world beaters prior to this year. The only known stud coming into the season was Slay and I guess Bradberry.

Gannon has to get some credit. This defense is one of the best in the league.
I hear ya but man, Darby, Mills and Rasul are a world of difference than Slay, Bradberry Avonte. Not to mention that 2017 had ZERO 10+ sack guys and this defense has 4 11+ guys. Hard to separate really, but I think a lot of us are just sick of the same situational failures and stuff like that. But I'm also one of those people who think JG is holding things back on purpose to get an edge on future gameplans. Eagles by a million today. Go Birds!
I feel you and agree 100% on the bolded. I've said as much in this thread after the Dallas game.
 
The hate is simple as it always is here. We have a type and if you’re not the grit of the city and attacking on every play you suck.

Players and coaches. If you aren't what the stereotypical neanderthal wants and media you get attacked. It's why McNabb and Andy were always getting **** on and why Jim Johnson was loved.

Look at the Phillies. Cole Hamels constantly **** on same with Ryan Howard. Chase Utley could do no wrong even in his final years when it was beyond time to move on.

This is why I hate sports talk in this town and why I hate personalities like Seth Joyner. Even when they win and the defense holds a team under 17 it's "The defense didn't blitz enough. Back in my day..." "That defender should've take X Receivers head off." despite the fact the play he wants done gets a personal foul now. But fans loved Seth From his playing day and take his word as gospel truth. If people think I'm grouchy and negative they've never watched Seth on Post game after a big win.
 
2021-“Gannon sucks. I hope some team takes him!!”

Eagles add a bunch of talent

Fans “THERES NO EXCUSE NOW GANNON!!!!”

2022- one of the best defenses in football in almost every major category

Fans- “YOU STILL SUCK AND I HOPE YOU LEAVE!!!”

I love asking this question a lot. People can hate or disagree with my opinion on certain topics but when I want a guy gone I go in depth on what players I want to replace them. From guys I hope would in dream scenarios to realistic. I see people on here and elsewhere saying get rid of Gannon after this season. OK WHO's replacing him that's better, why, does his system fit what the Eagles are doing and the players now and if not how many of these players can fit that system, and you are rebuilding the defense all over again. This isn't Madden where you one day say "I'm switching from a 4-3 base zone to a 3-4 man cover as my base and lets just switch players positions."

I know the big sexy names will be put in but a lot of those guys are just unrealistic or past their prime and not what this team needs.
 
SAINTS LOSE!!!!!
We pick 10th. Would have picked 16th if Panthers didnt win that at the end there.
Could have been 6th or 7th if we won last week. Oh well.
Would have been 7th or 8th depending on the Rams finish today. Vegas would have picked above us do to SOS.

So our loss last week stings, drops it from 7/8 to 10 but that's not too bad.

Today's Saints loss jumping it from 16 to 10 is huge.
 
14-3 (493)
@Detroit W
Minnesota W
@Washington w
Jacksonville W
@Arizona L
Dallas W
Pittsburgh W
@ Houston W
Washington W
@Indianapolis L
Green Bay W
Tennessee W
@New York Giants W
@Chicago W
@ Dallas W
New Orleans L
New York Giants W
Congrats @Maggot Brain

Even got close on the total points (473).

PM me your address for your prize pack.
Cool...will do, and thanks for doing this again. :). And for the record that makes TWO years in a row as the prediction champ :takesbow:
 
14-3 (493)
@Detroit W
Minnesota W
@Washington w
Jacksonville W
@Arizona L
Dallas W
Pittsburgh W
@ Houston W
Washington W
@Indianapolis L
Green Bay W
Tennessee W
@New York Giants W
@Chicago W
@ Dallas W
New Orleans L
New York Giants W
Congrats @Maggot Brain

Even got close on the total points (473).

PM me your address for your prize pack.
Cool...will do, and thanks for doing this again. :). And for the record that makes TWO years in a row as the prediction champ :takesbow:
Did you truly feel that confident about them going 14-3?
 
14-3 (493)
@Detroit W
Minnesota W
@Washington w
Jacksonville W
@Arizona L
Dallas W
Pittsburgh W
@ Houston W
Washington W
@Indianapolis L
Green Bay W
Tennessee W
@New York Giants W
@Chicago W
@ Dallas W
New Orleans L
New York Giants W
Congrats @Maggot Brain

Even got close on the total points (473).

PM me your address for your prize pack.
Cool...will do, and thanks for doing this again. :). And for the record that makes TWO years in a row as the prediction champ :takesbow:
Did you truly feel that confident about them going 14-3?
Yes....enough to put a $100 dollar futures bet on them in August. Wish I'd done more but I guess we'll see :)
 
The 1 seed. I was ****ting my pants right before the onside kick, but generally this was what I was expecting. They played vanilla offense, not putting anyone in jeopardy. Dallas losing on the tv next to the birds was icing on the cake. We got this fellas. Rest up, see you in two weeks.

E A G L E S EAGLES!!!!!
 
Nick Sirianni said Jalen Hurts was "hurting bad" in Eagles-Giants game but also explained it was good for him and the offense to shake off some of the rust before the playoffs

Just saw this but need more context. Gonna be a long 2 weeks!
 
Missed the second half because I had to go to work, but was generally pleased by the first half. Defense was playing well. Offense was a hair off, but it seemed fairly vanilla and it was obvious they were protecting Hurts a little. The threat of the QB running wasn't there, and it clearly made a difference. Credit the Giants backups too...they're still pros who wanted to show well...and they generally did. Final score wasn't the blowout we expected, but it never really felt like the game was in doubt, and they were clearly placing a priority on health once they had a lead and a couple quick stops on D. I'm satisfied.


On another topic...Gannon would be a fool to go to Houston. I think you'd have to have a screw loose to want to coach for an owner/GM with such a quick hook. I mean...did ANYBODY expect Houston to win more then 5 or 6 games max? And that expectation included playing the NFC Least, which suddenly was the NFC Beast again. Texans played several good teams tough, and fought week in and week out despite a sub par roster. Not a huge Lovie fan, but he deserved better.
 
Missed the second half because I had to go to work, but was generally pleased by the first half. Defense was playing well. Offense was a hair off, but it seemed fairly vanilla and it was obvious they were protecting Hurts a little. The threat of the QB running wasn't there, and it clearly made a difference. Credit the Giants backups too...they're still pros who wanted to show well...and they generally did. Final score wasn't the blowout we expected, but it never really felt like the game was in doubt, and they were clearly placing a priority on health once they had a lead and a couple quick stops on D. I'm satisfied.


On another topic...Gannon would be a fool to go to Houston. I think you'd have to have a screw loose to want to coach for an owner/GM with such a quick hook. I mean...did ANYBODY expect Houston to win more then 5 or 6 games max? And that expectation included playing the NFC Least, which suddenly was the NFC Beast again. Texans played several good teams tough, and fought week in and week out despite a sub par roster. Not a huge Lovie fan, but he deserved better.
It's not like Houston was going to be good next year either. So yea it doesn't make sense to fire Lovie yet. But maybe the GM wanted a new QB to have a new coach and have their fates tied together instead of starting the QB with a retread like Lovie.
 

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