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Yep. Otis Thorpe is a better comp for Hortford.
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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (7 Viewers)
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Yep. Otis Thorpe is a better comp for Hortford.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Missed nothing. Worst finals in recent memory? What was worse?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
2008 was the only one that comes close to this bad for me.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Last year.
2018
Even 2017. The Warriors were so good they went 16 - 1 and beat a loaded Cavs team in 5 games that probably beats every team that has won a title in the last 6 years in 6 games or less.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Best once since 2011, which was the best one ever, and the best since 2006.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Of course
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Was Horford ever the best or second best player on his nba team? Maybe in atlanta for a season or two? Would you consider him a main contributor to this title?
I don’t think he is close to being in the HOF. That 12% chance seems right.
I don’t think he is close to being in the HOF. That 12% chance seems right.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I will bet anyone any amount of money that Horford will make the hall of fame
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Wait, you're a Manchester United and Celtics fan?
Maybe I need to start rooting for City.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Doesn't the BB HOF consider college too? And he has 2 NCAA titles to go with his NBA title - probably will get in. But I'll never forgive him for leaving the Hawks to join the C's - **** him.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
The BB HOF considers all basketball, including college, Olympics, other international, etc. it’s also probably the most opaque of all major sports hall of fame voting
scoobus
Footballguy
For those interested in the upcoming draft, here's the best youtube channel (IMO) for scouting the top players.
the moops
Footballguy
For several years his best teammates were either Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, or Paul Milsap. I think there were several years where Al was the best player on those Atlanta teams.
Moe.
Footballguy
Wondering if their numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. They have Kyle Lowry at 85%. The 2016 Olympics are doing a lot of work there.
the moops
Footballguy
Somehow I totally forgot that the top of the 2016 and 2017 draft was identical. 76ers at 1, Lakers at 2, Celtics at 3, Suns at 4.
Philly got Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz
LA got Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball
Boston got Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum
Phoenix got Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson
Oof
Philly got Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz
LA got Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball
Boston got Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum
Phoenix got Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson
Oof
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Correct me if I wrong, but weren't both those picks the Nets picks from the Garnett, Pierce trade?
Boston
Footballguy
They were although the Tatum pick was actually 1.1 and the C's than made a deal with Philly to go down to 1.3 where they took him, and Philly took Fultz...funny part of both picks is that there were a lot of people that wanted them to draft other players (or thought it was foolish to pass on Fultz) at the time...especially the Brown pick because he came off of a nothing-too-special year at Cal...and there were a lot of people totally sold on Josh Jackson as well and thought they made a mistake taking Tatum over him.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Boston was taking Tatum at 1.01 even if Philly doesn't make that trade. I forget who leaked it after the draft.
For roughly the last decade teams have just been handing the Celtics this team. I hope they send gift basket to the following.
Spurs for Derrick White
Nets for all the picks
Lakers for the way they draft
Bucks for chasing stars
Blazers for trading Jrue where he wanted to go
Wizards and Grizzles for the sign and trade for KP
Lastly and most importantly the 76ers. There just too many things they did to help the Celtics. They probably should get a championship ring that just says THANK YOU!!!
Boston
Footballguy
Yes...that has always been the rumor...they ended up getting the Kings pick which looked like a heist but the Kings were actually pretty good the following year so the pick wasn't as high as projected when they made the deal.
Bossman
Footballguy
In hindsight, that had to be one of the worst NBA trades ever.
As a Celtics fan, you could see Pierce and Garnet were about done.
Even tho Brad Stevens put the final thumbprint on this team, that Danny Ainge deal to get those draft picks (and drafting Tatum and Brown) will be a feather in his cap forever.
Could you imagine that trade not happening and the Celtics having Pierce and Garnet for a couple more seasons, ...while the Nets acquire Brown and Tatum?
... We might be celebrating a Brooklyn championship right now.
the moops
Footballguy
Yep, although that pick was Romeo Langford who was the one young guy with some potential still that was included in the Derrick White trade
Boston
Footballguy
Langford and Aaron Nesmith morphed into the same person to me although Nesmith seems to have figured things out since he went to Indiana.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Trust the process.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Oh my
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
This new GM is already making good moves. I despise Monty now.
whoknew
Footballguy
Oh my
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Surprises me. Not that he didn't deserve it - he was terrible. But that's a lot of money to walk away from.
the moops
Footballguy
He's not walking away from any moneyOh my
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Surprises me. Not that he didn't deserve it - he was terrible. But that's a lot of money to walk away from.
whoknew
Footballguy
He's not walking away from any moneyOh my
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Surprises me. Not that he didn't deserve it - he was terrible. But that's a lot of money to walk away from.
Sorry - I meant that's a lot of money for Gores to spend on someone who won't be the coach. I worded that incorrectly.
Really figured he'd give him another year just based on the contract.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He's not walking away from any moneyOh my
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Surprises me. Not that he didn't deserve it - he was terrible. But that's a lot of money to walk away from.
Sorry - I meant that's a lot of money for Gores to spend on someone who won't be the coach. I worded that incorrectly.
Really figured he'd give him another year just based on the contract.
For Gores it is nothing. It is like one of us taking our keys out of our pocket and a twenty dollar bill falls out and blows away.
identikit
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Who's ready for the draft?
My mighty Spurs have teh 4th and 8th overall in what is considered to be a very weak draft, though I think the talent level is okay (just no top-end elite prospects). Not sure what the Hawks will do with the 1.01. I kind of hope they select Sarr, since I don't think he will boost win totals in 2025 - and the Spurs own ATL's 2025 #1 outright.
With the 1.04 I hope the Spurs select either Reed Sheppard or Stephon Castle (a lot of people want Risacher, but please no - dude looks mild and pedestrian). Would not mind Buzelis and his Tom Chambers vibes here either.
For the 1.08, I think the Spurs are locked in on Tidjane Salaun. I just read a report that he *cough* sprained his ankle during a workout for the Spurs *cough*, which I interpret to mean "wrap it up, we want this guy," although Portand or Charlotte might conceivably draft him at 6 or 7 (depends on whether they see Giannis like upside when squinting at his highlights). Dillingham is also a possibility here, but I'm not onboard with his 165 pound frame. I'd rather pick Devin Carter instead. I could also live with dart throws at Cody Williams, Ron Holland, or Dalton Knect here (in that order).
I might have mentioned previously, but if the Spurs walk away from the draft with Castle and Cody Williams (Jaylen Williams' brother), it might set in mothion a great rivalry with OKC for n the next 10 years (Wemby vs Holmgren, SGA vs Castle, and bro vs bro), unless OKC continues to follow their established blueprint of shedding tier 1 players.
My mighty Spurs have teh 4th and 8th overall in what is considered to be a very weak draft, though I think the talent level is okay (just no top-end elite prospects). Not sure what the Hawks will do with the 1.01. I kind of hope they select Sarr, since I don't think he will boost win totals in 2025 - and the Spurs own ATL's 2025 #1 outright.
With the 1.04 I hope the Spurs select either Reed Sheppard or Stephon Castle (a lot of people want Risacher, but please no - dude looks mild and pedestrian). Would not mind Buzelis and his Tom Chambers vibes here either.
For the 1.08, I think the Spurs are locked in on Tidjane Salaun. I just read a report that he *cough* sprained his ankle during a workout for the Spurs *cough*, which I interpret to mean "wrap it up, we want this guy," although Portand or Charlotte might conceivably draft him at 6 or 7 (depends on whether they see Giannis like upside when squinting at his highlights). Dillingham is also a possibility here, but I'm not onboard with his 165 pound frame. I'd rather pick Devin Carter instead. I could also live with dart throws at Cody Williams, Ron Holland, or Dalton Knect here (in that order).
I might have mentioned previously, but if the Spurs walk away from the draft with Castle and Cody Williams (Jaylen Williams' brother), it might set in mothion a great rivalry with OKC for n the next 10 years (Wemby vs Holmgren, SGA vs Castle, and bro vs bro), unless OKC continues to follow their established blueprint of shedding tier 1 players.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I'm in. Let me get my guy cstu to serve as the middle-man.
Jayrod
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
Wait until you find out about me being a Dodgers fan too.
Deamon
Footballguy
Damn, this whole time I saw your avatar name I thought you were a Dallas fan.
Dodgers?! Oh god. Cowboys too?
He was clearly just showing up for the paycheck.Oh my
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Surprises me. Not that he didn't deserve it - he was terrible. But that's a lot of money to walk away from.
Necessary move by Trajan, and good that the owner was willing to eat the contract.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Nah, Chargers. Had to have one disaster of a team in the list, and the only home team since I grew up in San Diego (which makes this list even more fun to explain)
Capella
Footballguy
Yup. Probably tomorrow. Make your time.@Capella ready to fire up the thread for next season?
This one should be reserved for reveling in the beauty that is the 2024 Boston Celtics championship. All of the comical moves and plans other teams make to try and catch up to the new dynasty should be in next year's thread.
SWC
Bromigo
anyone named dragon is cool just how it is take that to the bank brochachos
the moops
Footballguy
Amazing that the Lakers weren't able to eek out any championships when the league was only 8 teams deep. Pathetic showing by that franchise in the 60's.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
That's the one nice thing you can say about Tom Gores - he doesn't pinch pennies with the Pistons. He wants to win and is happy to throw money around.
Everything else about him is the worst.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Well, Boston won 9 of the 10 titles in the 60's . . . so they kind of cornered the market. I forgot that the early Lakers titles were in their Minneapolis days (49, 50, 52, 53, 54). I'm not that much of a league historian when it comes to basketball, so not really sure why the number of teams in the league fluctuated so much (I assume it was a financial thing). Those 5 Lakers titles came when there were 17, 17, 10, and 9 teams in the league. Nine of the C's titles came when there were 8 or 9 teams in the league.
I'd put the 60's Celtics in a similar category as the 60's-70's UCLA teams. The Bruins won 9 titles when there were only 16 teams in the tournament. (They won the first tournament with 32 teams in 1975.) No doubt they had some great teams, but they got a bye and skipped Round 1 in each tournament. At that time, they limited who made the tournament by only allowing one team per conference, and a lot of the best teams didn't even play (went to the NIT because they did not have at-large bids then).
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
The Fool Monty!
Kudos to management admitting the mistake now and cutting bait.
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In draft news, Terrence Shannon Jr. found not guilty on his rape charge. Should move him into the first. Think he'll be a very good day 1 contributor that'll be underdrafted IMO due to his age (will be 24 next month). Will thrive in transitional wide open nature of the league.
This draft class lacks a lot of high end talent but I believe there's a bunch of immediate contributors in it.
Kudos to management admitting the mistake now and cutting bait.
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In draft news, Terrence Shannon Jr. found not guilty on his rape charge. Should move him into the first. Think he'll be a very good day 1 contributor that'll be underdrafted IMO due to his age (will be 24 next month). Will thrive in transitional wide open nature of the league.
This draft class lacks a lot of high end talent but I believe there's a bunch of immediate contributors in it.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Probably doesn't mean much, if anything (and may be dependent on strength of opponents) . . .
Celtics with JT playing: 407-219 (.650), +5.7 net rating
Celtics without JT playing: 21-20 (.512), +3.5 net rating
Celtics with JB playing: 421-243 (.634), +4.9 net rating
Celtics without JB playing: 69-34 (.670), +6.1 net rating
Celtics with JT playing: 407-219 (.650), +5.7 net rating
Celtics without JT playing: 21-20 (.512), +3.5 net rating
Celtics with JB playing: 421-243 (.634), +4.9 net rating
Celtics without JB playing: 69-34 (.670), +6.1 net rating
Deamon
Footballguy
Can we stop talking about the Celtics now? It's been like forever since that Finals game.
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