2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (9 Viewers)

[Frostillicus]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

 

[Anarchy99]

1. Trade him.
2. sign him to the max
3. let him go

If you do #3, since Boston is over the cap they don't just get that money to sign different players - they lose it.

At least giving Brown $60M a year allows BOS to swap him for players that add up to that salary. At least that's how it used to be. Not as sure with the new cap rules. As you said, if he walked, they couldn't just add players and then they would have no contracts to move to acquire someone. He literally would just be off the roster. If people want to argue that BOS is a better team without him completely, that's a longer discussion (and one I wouldn't agree with).

 

[Capella]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

 

[Anarchy99]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

The extension doesn't even start until after this year. BOS could move him and not come close to paying him in the really crazy years . . . which would be 5 or 6 years from now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Is there a thread discussing Brony in the FFA?
Cardiac Arrest at practice, entire career could be over before it really started.
If I were Lebron i would have him drug tested immediately
I'd want to know everything that went into his body in the last day or two.

Something ain't right, not normal for this to happen at a basketball practice.

 

[Capella]

Is there a thread discussing Brony in the FFA?
Cardiac Arrest at practice, entire career could be over before it really started.
If I were Lebron i would have him drug tested immediately
I'd want to know everything that went into his body in the last day or two.

Something ain't right, not normal for this to happen at a basketball practice.

Hank Gathers died on the court at age 21 bro. Crazy **** happens. They should check his heart and obviously they will.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

The extension doesn't even start until after this year. BOS could move him and not come close to paying him in the really crazy years . . . which would be 5 or 6 years from now.

They have a 2 year window and then it hits the fan. When Tatum is due his supermax, Boston is going to be paying out the wazoo to trade Brown with his trade kicker.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Is there a thread discussing Brony in the FFA?
Cardiac Arrest at practice, entire career could be over before it really started.
If I were Lebron i would have him drug tested immediately
I'd want to know everything that went into his body in the last day or two.

Something ain't right, not normal for this to happen at a basketball practice.

Hank Gathers died on the court at age 21 bro. Crazy **** happens. They should check his heart and obviously they will.

Could be anything, just hope the kid gets better and is able to resume living out his dream. No need to speculate on the cause.

 

[TLEF316]

Is there a thread discussing Brony in the FFA?
Cardiac Arrest at practice, entire career could be over before it really started.
If I were Lebron i would have him drug tested immediately
I'd want to know everything that went into his body in the last day or two.

Something ain't right, not normal for this to happen at a basketball practice.

Hank Gathers died on the court at age 21 bro. Crazy **** happens. They should check his heart and obviously they will.

Yeah, keyontae Johnson from Florida had a MUCH worse episode a couple of years ago. I believe he was in a coma for a while.

Came back this past year and played like an all American at Kansas state.

Who knows what happened ....but not necessarily anything nefarious going on here.

 

[HellToupee]

Is there a thread discussing Brony in the FFA?
Cardiac Arrest at practice, entire career could be over before it really started.
If I were Lebron i would have him drug tested immediately
I'd want to know everything that went into his body in the last day or two.

Something ain't right, not normal for this to happen at a basketball practice.

Hank Gathers died on the court at age 21 bro. Crazy **** happens. They should check his heart and obviously they will.

Strong Reggie Lewis vibe

 

[Gatorman]

Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

This is what a lot of people never quite seem to realize.

Yap. Certain contracts just "are what they are". Herro and Duncan come to mind as well and I'm sure many teams have their "guys" that they have no choice but to resugn bc if they don't then 1) They lost that money in terms of the cap and 2) they cannot find a replacement that fits the bill. Miami got lucky with Struss being similar to Robinson but then they loss struss for no compensation for the same reasons as stated. Jaylen at least Plays good D.

 

[the moops]

What team would take him on with that contract?

29 other teams? Having a guy as good as he is signed for 5 years is worth a lot. Especially teams that have little chance of signing an All NBA guy in free agency.

I am not the biggest Jaylen fan (the player, I am a fan of the man), but he is a very, very good basketball player. He had a bad series against MIA and that has pushed some people into thinking that he is a garbage player. He is still one of the best 25 basketball players in the world

 

[the moops]

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

1. I don't think he is getting 35% of the cap no matter what because if that was the case, he wouldn't have a trade kicker in his contract
2. KAT is a good comp. And like Brown, there would be plenty of teams that would take him on with that contract and give up assets to make it happen

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

I think KAT is very different because it is really hard to fit around an offense-only center. Brown could fit in almost anywhere with his defense and size and wing playmaking

 

[Kev4029]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

The difference between Brown and KAT is that Brown can fit nearly anywhere. He's not a number one option, but he's a very good #2 option that can play elite defensively when he is so inclined. There is no way to build a title contender with KAT on your roster.

 

[Kev4029]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

I think KAT is very different because it is really hard to fit around an offense-only center. Brown could fit in almost anywhere with his defense and size and wing playmaking

Listen to this guy right here, he knows what he is talking about.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Hank Gathers died on the court at age 21 bro. Crazy **** happens.

High school football players die in practice as well.

People in their thirties have brain aneurysms and die.

We're not perfectly built machines.

 

[Capella]

KAT is a good comp. And like Brown, there would be plenty of teams that would take him on with that contract and give up assets to make it happen

Yea I don’t think so with KAT. I don’t think he’s that moveable.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Next topic:

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[dickey moe]

Is there a thread discussing Brony in the FFA?
Cardiac Arrest at practice, entire career could be over before it really started.
If I were Lebron i would have him drug tested immediately
I'd want to know everything that went into his body in the last day or two.

Something ain't right, not normal for this to happen at a basketball practice.

Hank Gathers died on the court at age 21 bro. Crazy **** happens. They should check his heart and obviously they will.

Strong Reggie Lewis vibe

This makes me sad. First Bias and then Lewis, who was the one who was supposed to carry the torch for the Celtics into the 90s. Tragic and way too young.

 

[thecatch]

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

1. I don't think he is getting 35% of the cap no matter what because if that was the case, he wouldn't have a trade kicker in his contract
2. KAT is a good comp. And like Brown, there would be plenty of teams that would take him on with that contract and give up assets to make it happen

Ive read about max players having void trade kickers in the contract before. It might be something a team will agree to put in just so the agent can add it to the press release. Or Marks was wrong about it being a percentage of the cap deal.

 

[msudaisy26]

Can we start a new NBA thread for just MoP's hot takes?

 

[msudaisy26]

Brown had to be signed because the Celtics can't let him walk and use that money dollar for dollar on other players. In reality he is worth some where between half and 2/3rds of what he got, but that is the NBA and why the salary cap needs to be fixed. How I don't know, but it t needs to gives teams more flexibility by letting a player leave in free agency and actually having a higher percentage of that money being used on other players.

 

[mr. furley]

Can we start a new NBA thread for just MoP's hot takes?

no, because i want to hear some sizzling hot explanations of how regular schmo's would turn down $750 million a year to play a sport

 

[msudaisy26]

Can we start a new NBA thread for just MoP's hot takes?

no, because i want to hear some sizzling hot explanations of how regular schmo's would turn down $750 million a year to play a sport

You can, in his hot take thread.

Seriously your kid just had a heart attack and without any evidence while he is in the hospital you say " Hey doc, let's do some drug tests." Who the **** even thinks like that?

 

[Yo Mama]

Brown had to be signed because the Celtics can't let him walk and use that money dollar for dollar on other players. In reality he is worth some where between half and 2/3rds of what he got, but that is the NBA and why the salary cap needs to be fixed. How I don't know, but it t needs to gives teams more flexibility by letting a player leave in free agency and actually having a higher percentage of that money being used on other players.

An interesting idea I’ve seen floating around is keep the supermax, but charge the team that drafted the player and signed him to the deal based on the normal max for cap/tax purposes. Seems win-win, helps teams keep their home grown stars, and encourages more spending on players. Only loser in such a situation is cheap owners that don’t want to spend.

So Brown’s salary on the Celtics counts as a regular max towards there cap/tax calcs, but his salary would count as the full super max on his new team if he was traded.

Lillard would count for less on the Blazers cap/tax than he would on the Heat.

 

[the moops]

Brown had to be signed because the Celtics can't let him walk and use that money dollar for dollar on other players. In reality he is worth some where between half and 2/3rds of what he got, but that is the NBA and why the salary cap needs to be fixed. How I don't know, but it t needs to gives teams more flexibility by letting a player leave in free agency and actually having a higher percentage of that money being used on other players.

I don't disagree that the salary cap could use some fixing, but Brown is definitely worth his max salary in the current NBA salary cap structure.

IMO there are only a handful of other players who you would want on a 5 year max over him for those next 5 years. The 5 year thing is key - for there are aging stars who you would not want to sign to a 5 year max (Steph, Lebron, Dame, Butler, KD, Harden) and there are injury prone guys that you gotta be at least a little wary of signing to a 5 year deal (Embiid, AD, PG, Kawhi, Zion) and then there are the guys you just don't know what the hell is going to happen with them (Ja, Kyrie, etc.)

There are several no brainers we can probably all agree on - Jokic, Giannnis, Luka, Tatum, Booker, SGA - but then there is a ton of debate around what guys belong next on that list. I think Jaylen Brown deserves consideration with guys like Mitchell, Murray, Trae, Haliburton, Ant, Fox, etc.

 

[Frostillicus]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

That's probably why I'm defending this, lol.

 

[Frostillicus]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

The difference between Brown and KAT is that Brown can fit nearly anywhere. He's not a number one option, but he's a very good #2 option that can play elite defensively when he is so inclined. There is no way to build a title contender with KAT on your roster.

o rly?

 

[msudaisy26]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

Sure, right now. But the cap will keep going up and more players will be signing bigger and bigger contracts. 2 years from now he's probably fine.

Sounds like he’s taking 35% of the cap no matter what. Doesn’t seem great to me.

Towns seems like a reasonable comp. Good player, probably top-30, horrid contract nobody will want.

The difference between Brown and KAT is that Brown can fit nearly anywhere. He's not a number one option, but he's a very good #2 option that can play elite defensively when he is so inclined. There is no way to build a title contender with KAT on your roster.

o rly?

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[Orange&Blue]

Hank Gathers died on the court at age 21 bro. Crazy **** happens.

High school football players die in practice as well.

People in their thirties have brain aneurysms and die.

We're not perfectly built machines.

BS!

can you hand me my walker as I need to take my insulin?

 

[need2know]

Jaylen Brown signs the super-duper max - $304M, fully insured with no options and a trade kicker. Whew.

Richest NBA contract ever.

Hes not even the best player on his team. Seems like a dumb move imo

 

[Desert_Power]

Not sure where to put this but apparently Brony James suffered a cardiac arrest during USC workout - in stable condition.

Bronny James suffers cardiac arrest at USC workout and is in stable condition

The 18-year-old son of Lakers star LeBron James suffers cardiac arrest during a USC workout Monday. His family says he is in stable condition.

www.latimes.com

Terrible to have that happen at 18. Might be the end of competitive BB.

That would be very sad for him. Good stuff from ProFootballDoc here.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jaylen Brown signs the super-duper max - $304M, fully insured with no options and a trade kicker. Whew.

Richest NBA contract ever.

Hes not even the best player on his team. Seems like a dumb move imo

Sometimes “when” matters more than “who”. Brown was a free agent. Tatum is under contract already and it’s not like he’s going anywhere. So they signed their second best player while they also have their best player under contract. I mean these guys are all paid absurdly (as compared to real life, not saying they aren’t worth it) he’s a the Top 30 player and he and Tatum have shown they can win together. I think it’s the right choice, but I don’t know all the future salary ramifications to be honest.

 

[need2know]

Jaylen Brown signs the super-duper max - $304M, fully insured with no options and a trade kicker. Whew.

Richest NBA contract ever.

Hes not even the best player on his team. Seems like a dumb move imo

Sometimes “when” matters more than “who”. Brown was a free agent. Tatum is under contract already and it’s not like he’s going anywhere. So they signed their second best player while they also have their best player under contract. I mean these guys are all paid absurdly (as compared to real life, not saying they aren’t worth it) and he’s in the Top 30 players and he and Tatum have shown they can win together.

Yeah thinking more on it Celtics were in a tough spot. Guess we will see how it works out

 

[Tau837]

Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

Well they could let him walk and use $304M in other ways. You telling me there's no other way to build Jaylen Brown as a combo of two players? You could find a player that has no left hand, and another that can't shoot.

BOS has been a Final 4 team multiple times in the past few seasons. If they don't have Brown, the chances of them staying in that category drop dramatically. If they didn't extend Brown, all they could do would be to trade him for pennies on the dollar with only one season left on his deal. Whoever acquired him would have to be concerned he wouldn't stick around (and then have to give him a massive contract if he did want to stay). Boston would likely take on a bad contract or two to match contract value and maybe a couple of so so draft picks. Or as you suggest, they could lose him for nothing.

That would derail their title hopes in the short term. Could they reallocate $300+ million over the next 6 years? Sure. Just tell me which two players they should draft or bring in. Boston is not a free agent destination, so I would expect that would not be as easy as you are making it out to be. And the draft picks wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the draft, as they would certainly be protected.

As for swapping Brown for Lillard, Lillard shut that talk down immediately and wanted no part of Boston. The best option for Boston was to see if they can win with the reconfigured roster. If that doesn't work and Brown still isn't enthusiastic about being a Celtic, they could move him with lots of years on his contract. That would net them more than nothing if he left in free agency and more than if he was a lame duck demanding out with a year on his contract.

I'm surprised so many people don't seem to understand this stuff. Seems obvious to me.

 

[Boston]

Glad this finally got done...in today's NBA the C's and Brown had no other choice and this keeps the franchise stable and a legit title contender...if it were the NFL or NHL the Celts could have made a deal that could have changed the complexion of the team but that was not an option here...right now they will be together for at least a few more years and hopefully he helps them get over the hump...he is an elite athlete who gets better every year but still has some holes in his game he needs to fix and I am hoping he also matures a little bit more after being shown the super-max love...I really like Brad Stevens as a GM as he continues tinkering with this team...he has been hoarding picks this offseason and my guess is he has one more solid move left this offseason.

 

[Anarchy99]

They were talking about Brown all day on the radio today. The prediction by some people was BOS can't really afford to pay JT / JB / KP by Year 3, so they will have to move JB or KP after 2 seasons. By that point, the three of them combined would account for 90% of the salary cap. To fill out the roster would be difficult if not impossible, and they would be in repeater tax / second apron jail. I won't begin to try to figure out how the new cap structure works when I barely understood the old one. Maybe others can jump in and provide some perspective about whether they could pay those guys when they are all making bank in a couple of years.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They were talking about Brown all day on the radio today. The prediction by some people was BOS can't really afford to pay JT / JB / KP by Year 3, so they will have to move JB or KP after 2 seasons. By that point, the three of them combined would account for 90% of the salary cap. To fill out the roster would be difficult if not impossible, and they would be in repeater tax / second apron jail. I won't begin to try to figure out how the new cap structure works when I barely understood the old one. Maybe others can jump in and provide some perspective about whether they could pay those guys when they are all making bank in a couple of years.

They certainly could if they wanted to, but the restrictions if you are in the first or second apron will be so severe, it is hard to deal with. They are below.

In 2 years, the first apron will be about $189 and the second apron will be about $209. They will be paying tatum, brown and kp and rob will about $159 in 2025. So they will only have $30-$50 to fill out the roster and will still suffer some restrictions.

The first apron hits when a team's payroll exceeds $172 million. At this point, the following restrictions are triggered:

• Teams cannot acquire a player in a sign-and-trade if that player keeps them above the apron
• Teams cannot sign a player waived during the regular season whose salary was over the $12.2 million midlevel exception
• Salary matching in trades must be within 110 percent, rather than 125 percent for teams not above the apron

What are the penalties for the second apron?​

All of the penalties for the first apron apply to the second apron as well, which is triggered when a team's salary exceeds $182.5 million. For the 2023-24 season, one additional penalty is added when crossing the second apron:

• No access to the $5 million taxpayer midlevel exception

Starting at the end of the 2023-24 season, even more restrictions will be added to the second apron. These include:

• Teams cannot use a trade exception generated by aggregating the salaries of multiple players
• Teams cannot include cash in a trade
• Teams cannot use a trade exception generated in a prior year
• First-round picks seven years out are frozen (unable to be traded)
• A team's first-round pick is moved to the end of the first round if they remain in the second apron for three out of five seasons

 

[Capella]

In 2 years, the first apron will be about $189 and the second apron will be about $209. They will be paying tatum, brown and kp and rob will about $159 in 2025.

I’ve heard before that Boston’s owners are sort of thrifty. They’ll go to the cap but not over it. Probably from Simmons.

Either way assuming they don’t want to go over the apron then 30M to sign 9 players obviously isn’t possible. So they have basically two years with this trio.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

In 2 years, the first apron will be about $189 and the second apron will be about $209. They will be paying tatum, brown and kp and rob will about $159 in 2025.

I’ve heard before that Boston’s owners are sort of thrifty. They’ll go to the cap but not over it. Probably from Simmons.

Either way assuming they don’t want to go over the apron then 30M to sign 9 players obviously isn’t possible. So they have basically two years with this trio.

Yeah, they’ve only paid the tax once in the past 10 years

 

[the moops]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

I'm not sure if that's really possible, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The cap can only increase by 10% per year and Brown's $304 million contract is tied to that 10% rise per year. I believe that the supermax contract is a specific percentage of the cap, not a specific dollar figure, so I'm not sure it will make a difference.

 

[Kev4029]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

I'm not sure if that's really possible, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The cap can only increase by 10% per year and Brown's $304 million contract is tied to that 10% rise per year. I believe that the supermax contract is a specific percentage of the cap, not a specific dollar figure, so I'm not sure it will make a difference.

In year one that is true, but it's 8% raises after the first year. So, it'll get a little less daunting as the years progress (and as he likely declines a bit).

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

I'm not sure if that's really possible, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The cap can only increase by 10% per year and Brown's $304 million contract is tied to that 10% rise per year. I believe that the supermax contract is a specific percentage of the cap, not a specific dollar figure, so I'm not sure it will make a difference.

In year one that is true, but it's 8% raises after the first year. So, it'll get a little less daunting as the years progress (and as he likely declines a bit).

fair, but i still think the contract will be like 33% of the cap at best. Spotrac's estimate is 33.25% in the final year and 34.36% in the 4th year.

 

[the moops]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

I'm not sure if that's really possible, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The cap can only increase by 10% per year and Brown's $304 million contract is tied to that 10% rise per year. I believe that the supermax contract is a specific percentage of the cap, not a specific dollar figure, so I'm not sure it will make a difference.

In year one that is true, but it's 8% raises after the first year. So, it'll get a little less daunting as the years progress (and as he likely declines a bit).

fair, but i still think the contract will be like 33% of the cap at best. Spotrac's estimate is 33.25% in the final year and 34.36% in the 4th year.

Yea, they probably know better than me, but a few different podcasts have speculate that the cap is going to rise quicker than we all think.

 

[the moops]

FYI - the Jeff Teague podcast is some of the best content out there these days. That dude is funny as **** and has some great stories

 

[Kev4029]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

I'm not sure if that's really possible, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The cap can only increase by 10% per year and Brown's $304 million contract is tied to that 10% rise per year. I believe that the supermax contract is a specific percentage of the cap, not a specific dollar figure, so I'm not sure it will make a difference.

In year one that is true, but it's 8% raises after the first year. So, it'll get a little less daunting as the years progress (and as he likely declines a bit).

fair, but i still think the contract will be like 33% of the cap at best. Spotrac's estimate is 33.25% in the final year and 34.36% in the 4th year.

Yea, they probably know better than me, but a few different podcasts have speculate that the cap is going to rise quicker than we all think.

The cap rises are capped at 10% a year by the CBA so it can't rise too much vs the max player raises.

 

[the moops]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

I'm not sure if that's really possible, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The cap can only increase by 10% per year and Brown's $304 million contract is tied to that 10% rise per year. I believe that the supermax contract is a specific percentage of the cap, not a specific dollar figure, so I'm not sure it will make a difference.

In year one that is true, but it's 8% raises after the first year. So, it'll get a little less daunting as the years progress (and as he likely declines a bit).

fair, but i still think the contract will be like 33% of the cap at best. Spotrac's estimate is 33.25% in the final year and 34.36% in the 4th year.

Yea, they probably know better than me, but a few different podcasts have speculate that the cap is going to rise quicker than we all think.

The cap rises are capped at 10% a year by the CBA so it can't rise too much vs the max player raises.

Didn't know it was capped. thanks for the info

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I bet there are some NBA teams that are banking on the cap growing much much faster than the 8% super max raises yearly raises these guys on supermax deals get. And if they are correct, these 35% deals may "only" be 30% deals by the end of their contracts which makes it far easier to either duck the tax or put together a more well rounded roster among these max players

I'm not sure if that's really possible, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. The cap can only increase by 10% per year and Brown's $304 million contract is tied to that 10% rise per year. I believe that the supermax contract is a specific percentage of the cap, not a specific dollar figure, so I'm not sure it will make a difference.

In year one that is true, but it's 8% raises after the first year. So, it'll get a little less daunting as the years progress (and as he likely declines a bit).

fair, but i still think the contract will be like 33% of the cap at best. Spotrac's estimate is 33.25% in the final year and 34.36% in the 4th year.

Yea, they probably know better than me, but a few different podcasts have speculate that the cap is going to rise quicker than we all think.

The cap rises are capped at 10% a year by the CBA so it can't rise too much vs the max player raises.

was going to say the same thing, though there is probably some truth to the fact that a lot of casual NBA fans don't realize that the cap is going to be a lot higher 3 years from now.