2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (2 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

LOL Pistons.

Are we talking about the trade? Two seconds is a fairly cheap price to clear Bagley's $12 million contract next year and it's probably going to be a net benefit just to get him out of the locker room. If we're talking about the decision to sign him to one of the more ludicrous contracts of recent memory, then yes, LOL.

It is for a team that needs cap space. No one is talking the Pistons money. They are giving away assets/lotto tickets they need to get better. That 12 million next year helps nothing.

 

[Kev4029]

LOL Pistons.

Are we talking about the trade? Two seconds is a fairly cheap price to clear Bagley's $12 million contract next year and it's probably going to be a net benefit just to get him out of the locker room. If we're talking about the decision to sign him to one of the more ludicrous contracts of recent memory, then yes, LOL.

It is for a team that needs cap space. No one is talking the Pistons money. They are giving away assets/lotto tickets they need to get better. That 12 million next year helps nothing.

It'll help a team this off-season or next season when Detroit does something stupid with the cap space.

 

[msudaisy26]

LOL Pistons.

Are we talking about the trade? Two seconds is a fairly cheap price to clear Bagley's $12 million contract next year and it's probably going to be a net benefit just to get him out of the locker room. If we're talking about the decision to sign him to one of the more ludicrous contracts of recent memory, then yes, LOL.

It is for a team that needs cap space. No one is talking the Pistons money. They are giving away assets/lotto tickets they need to get better. That 12 million next year helps nothing.

It'll help a team this off-season or next season when Detroit does something stupid with the cap space.

Exactly.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

@johnhollinger
Any time you can trade two seconds for the right to overpay a player you just could have signed after the season, and then trade two more seconds just to dump his contract, you have to go ahead and do it.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

On a day when the NFL Playoffs is clearly the main draw—I have to say that I’m also excited to see how the Clippers vs Wolves game ends up today. Both teams look legit and I don’t think they have played each other yet this season.

Really hope ant is able to go. Questionable right now.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

LOL Pistons.

Are we talking about the trade? Two seconds is a fairly cheap price to clear Bagley's $12 million contract next year and it's probably going to be a net benefit just to get him out of the locker room. If we're talking about the decision to sign him to one of the more ludicrous contracts of recent memory, then yes, LOL.

Just the whole thing. The original trade when they already had Stewart and Duren on the roster and had just traded for Wiseman and had Bogdanovic who is/was mostly a PF. Then signing him to that extension. And then this year, he's been an actual NBA-level player for the first time ever, and they have to pay to dump him.

I don't follow the Pistons much, but if he's been a dipshit behind the scenes, I suppose it makes sense to get rid of him. If he isn't much of a problem problem, they just paid to possibly make their team ever so slightly better this season and to gain some cap room next year than they obviously don't know how to manage (see the Bagley contract, the Harris trade, retaining Bogdanovic and Burks until they aren't worth hardly anything).

Not trying to defend weaver, but as a point of clarification, bagley was acquired at the 2022 trade deadline and wiseman was acquired a year later at the 2023 deadline

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Where did your post go @Juxtatarot

I think that the wiz did it because they felt like 2 detroit seconds were the best return they would get for gallo and muscala and the cap hit doesn’t really mean much to them for the next few years

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Where did your post go @Juxtatarot

I think that the wiz did it because they felt like 2 detroit seconds were the best return they would get for gallo and muscala and the cap hit doesn’t really mean much to them for the next few years

I guess they may not end up being Detroit picks per se, but I guess the same logic applies. Livers is probably also worth a flier

 

[Juxtatarot]

Where did your post go @Juxtatarot

I think that the wiz did it because they felt like 2 detroit seconds were the best return they would get for gallo and muscala and the cap hit doesn’t really mean much to them for the next few years

Lol, I was going to rewrite it after figuring out which picks these are. I don't think they own their 2025 or 2026 picks. https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed.

 

[thecatch]

Where did your post go @Juxtatarot

I think that the wiz did it because they felt like 2 detroit seconds were the best return they would get for gallo and muscala and the cap hit doesn’t really mean much to them for the next few years

Poole, Bagley, and Kuzma is quite the collection of winning basketball players.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Where did your post go @Juxtatarot

I think that the wiz did it because they felt like 2 detroit seconds were the best return they would get for gallo and muscala and the cap hit doesn’t really mean much to them for the next few years

Poole, Bagley, and Kuzma is quite the collection of winning basketball players.

It's not easy to compete with Detroit.

 

[Frostillicus]

Oh Detroit.

Portland San Antonio Charlotte and Washington really owe Detroit something. Those 4 teams are terribly bad yet nobody cares because Detroit

I am sure at least one of those teams will abuse our GM in a bad trade. Like the Nets with the Joe Harris deal.

LOL Pistons.

A goldfish would be a better GM at this point.

I have a GREAT idea for a movie.

 

[Frostillicus]

On a day when the NFL Playoffs is clearly the main draw—I have to say that I’m also excited to see how the Clippers vs Wolves game ends up today. Both teams look legit and I don’t think they have played each other yet this season.

Really hope ant is able to go. Questionable right now.

He's ready to go.

I am excited to see how this game goes. The one thing I know for certain is that KAT is going to have to guard either Kawhi or PG13, and he's going to be in foul trouble all game. If any of you nerds are gamblers, bet the KAT unders.

 

[Frostillicus]

On a day when the NFL Playoffs is clearly the main draw—I have to say that I’m also excited to see how the Clippers vs Wolves game ends up today. Both teams look legit and I don’t think they have played each other yet this season.

Really hope ant is able to go. Questionable right now.

He's ready to go.

I am excited to see how this game goes. The one thing I know for certain is that KAT is going to have to guard either Kawhi or PG13, and he's going to be in foul trouble all game. If any of you nerds are gamblers, bet the KAT unders.

KAT is guarding Mann. Oops. I didn't figure they'd put Conley on poopbeard.

 

[Frostillicus]

We did it!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Dame, holy ****

 

[Long Ball Larry]

We did it!

Legendary free throw shooter Gobert iced it. Was looking dicey for a little while in the 4th

 

[the moops]

What awful defense by SAC there. My god. The only thing you want/need to prevent is a Dame three. Yet they double Giannis and don't cover whoever else came back for the ball. Doubling Giannis meant Fox was in terrible position to get Dame. My god.

I mean, sick shot by Dame. Truly sick. But you gotta do better there on defense. Oh, make your free throws too!

 

[thecatch]

What awful defense by SAC there. My god. The only thing you want/need to prevent is a Dame three. Yet they double Giannis and don't cover whoever else came back for the ball. Doubling Giannis meant Fox was in terrible position to get Dame. My god.

I mean, sick shot by Dame. Truly sick. But you gotta do better there on defense. Oh, make your free throws too!

The free throws were the problem.

 

[msudaisy26]

Dame's game winners are the pretties.

 

[msudaisy26]

In case anyone wants to see it.

https://youtu.be/lPxvdIg67K8?si=SPJP2CjmrrQb8Soq

 

[trader jake]

Nationally televised MLK game with San Antonio @ Atlanta. Maybe it's not the best played game, but it's entertaining.

Unfortunately the Hawks are wearing black w/white jerseys and the Spurs are wearing white w/red/orange trim. WTH? So, the exact opposite of what we've watched forever.

Add in Dejounte Murray being in trade rumors to the Spurs, but currently playing for the Hawks, after playing for the Spurs for years ...and my addled brain is having problems keeping track of which team is which today when Wemby & Trae are off the court.

 

[Mister CIA]

Nationally televised MLK game with San Antonio @ Atlanta. Maybe it's not the best played game, but it's entertaining.

Unfortunately the Hawks are wearing black w/white jerseys and the Spurs are wearing white w/red/orange trim. WTH? So, the exact opposite of what we've watched forever.

Add in Dejounte Murray being in trade rumors to the Spurs, but currently playing for the Hawks, after playing for the Spurs for years ...and my addled brain is having problems keeping track of which team is which today when Wemby & Trae are off the court.

####, I have a WFH day today and was not aware the game was on.

I hope there's nothing to the rumors of the Hawks dealing Murray back to the Spurs. Matching salaries alone doesn't move the needle much, and if the Hawks want a lot in the form of draft capital, then it's a hard no from this fan, though I'm sure the Hawks would love to reverse the deal that sent the Hawks FRPs in 25, 26 (swap), and 27 to the Spurs.

 

[the moops]

Boston's starting 5 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis are averaging 98.5 point per game combined. Anyone able to figure out what starting lineup that played a significant number of minutes together averaged the most? Because that 98.5 seems like a lot. I looked at some Steph/KD Warriors and Showtime Lakers and Jordan Bulls but can't find any starting lineup that scored that much

 

[scoobus]

Boston's starting 5 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis are averaging 98.5 point per game combined. Anyone able to figure out what starting lineup that played a significant number of minutes together averaged the most? Because that 98.5 seems like a lot. I looked at some Steph/KD Warriors and Showtime Lakers and Jordan Bulls but can't find any starting lineup that scored that much

I didn't look very hard, but 76ers last year seem slightly over that. Stopped looking when I found a team, but I'd guess someone can find a group over 100.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Boston's starting 5 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis are averaging 98.5 point per game combined. Anyone able to figure out what starting lineup that played a significant number of minutes together averaged the most? Because that 98.5 seems like a lot. I looked at some Steph/KD Warriors and Showtime Lakers and Jordan Bulls but can't find any starting lineup that scored that much

Love questions like this. I came so close with the 71-72 Lakers that went 69-13. Gail Goodrich, Jerry West, Jim McMillian, Wilt and Happy Hairston combined for 98.4.

I'll keep looking.

 

[Frostillicus]

Boston's starting 5 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis are averaging 98.5 point per game combined. Anyone able to figure out what starting lineup that played a significant number of minutes together averaged the most? Because that 98.5 seems like a lot. I looked at some Steph/KD Warriors and Showtime Lakers and Jordan Bulls but can't find any starting lineup that scored that much

I found

1966-67 76ers:
Wilt 24.1
Hal Greer 22.1
Chet Walker 19.3
Billy Cunningham 18.5
Wali Jones 13.2
TOTAL: 97.2ppg

1983-84 Nuggets:
Alex English 28.4
Kiki Vandeweghe 26.7
Dan Issel 21.6
Billy McKinney 9.8
TR Dunn 7.6
TOTAL: 94.1ppg

1961-62 Warriors
Wilt 50.4
Paul Arizin 21.9
Tom Gola 13.7
Al Attles 11.3
Guy Rodgers 8.2
TOTAL: 105.5ppg

 

[the moops]

Boston's starting 5 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis are averaging 98.5 point per game combined. Anyone able to figure out what starting lineup that played a significant number of minutes together averaged the most? Because that 98.5 seems like a lot. I looked at some Steph/KD Warriors and Showtime Lakers and Jordan Bulls but can't find any starting lineup that scored that much

I didn't look very hard, but 76ers last year seem slightly over that. Stopped looking when I found a team, but I'd guess someone can find a group over 100.

Nice

 

[Spartans Rule]

1961-62 Warriors
Wilt 50.4
Paul Arizin 21.9
Tom Gola 13.7
Al Attles 11.3
Guy Rodgers 8.2
TOTAL: 105.5ppg

Was about to post this one but I couldn't figure out whether Attles or Tom Meschery (12.1) was the 5th starter. One guy averaging 50 definitely helps.

 

[Frostillicus]

1961-62 Warriors
Wilt 50.4
Paul Arizin 21.9
Tom Gola 13.7
Al Attles 11.3
Guy Rodgers 8.2
TOTAL: 105.5ppg

Was about to post this one but I couldn't figure out whether Attles or Tom Meschery (12.1) was the 5th starter. One guy averaging 50 definitely helps.

Yeah I just went by minutes. I showed my son and he said this is cheating.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

61-62 Cincinnati Royals

Oscar Robertson - 30.8
Bucky Bockhorn - 15.8
Jack Twyman - 22.9
Wayne Embry - 19.8
Bob Boozer - 13.8

103 ppg

 

[Frostillicus]

1970-71 Bucks
Kareem 31.7
Oscar 19.4
Bob Dandridge 18.4
John McGlonklin 15.8
Greg Smith 11.7

Total 97ppg

 

[Long Ball Larry]

68-69 Oakland Oaks

Rick Barry - 34
Warren Jabali - 21.5
Doug Moe - 19
Larry Brown - 12
Gary Bradds- 18.7

105.2 ppg

Coached by Alex Hannum also

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Don’t look now but the jazz have won like 38 games in a row

 

[scoobus]

Find someone post-1990 noobs.

 

[Frostillicus]

Don’t look now but the jazz have won like 38 games in a row

Markkanen 23.7
Clarkson 17.9
Sexton 16.5
Collins 13.9
Fontecchio 8.8

TOTAL 80.8ppg

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Don’t look now but the jazz have won like 38 games in a row

Markkanen 23.7
Clarkson 17.9
Sexton 16.5
Collins 13.9
Fontecchio 8.8

TOTAL 80.8ppg

Historic

 

[Frostillicus]

Find someone post-1990 noobs.

2018-19 Warriors:
Curry 27.3
Durant 26.0
Klay 21.5
Cousins 16.3
Draymond 7.4

TOTAL 98.5ppg

 

[Frostillicus]

Current Leader: 1961-62 Warriors 105.5
Current Leader (non-Wilt division): 1968-69 Oakland Oaks: 105.3
Current Leader (1990+ division): 2018-19 Warriors: 98.5
Current Leader (2020+ division): 2023-24 Celtics: 98.5

 

[the moops]

Current Leader: 1961-62 Warriors 105.5
Current Leader (non-Wilt division): 1968-69 Oakland Oaks: 105.3
Current Leader (1990+ division): 2018-19 Warriors: 98.5
Current Leader (2020+ division): 2023-24 Celtics: 98.5

2023-2024 Sixers are apparently better. But **** Philly

Maxey/Harris/Melton/Embiid/Oubre average 103.8

 

[Jayrod]

Current Leader: 1961-62 Warriors 105.5
Current Leader (non-Wilt division): 1968-69 Oakland Oaks: 105.3
Current Leader (1990+ division): 2018-19 Warriors: 98.5
Current Leader (2020+ division): 2023-24 Celtics: 98.5

2023-2024 Sixers are apparently better. But **** Philly

Maxey/Harris/Melton/Embiid/Oubre average 103.8

Well, that group has only started 6 games together.

Their most used starting lineup is Batum/Harris/Maxey/Melton/Embiid which averages 96.6/game.

Oubre has 5 fewer starts than Batum and it appears they prefer him off the bench as he's started 15/26 games he's played in versus Batum starting 20/24 games he's played in.

Better comp would be the top 6 of each:
Boston (Tatum/Brown/Porzingis/White/Holiday/Horford) = 106.3 ppg
Philly (Embiid/Maxey/Harris/Melton/Batum/Oubre) = 109.8 ppg

Which does favor Philly as a higher scoring group per game. However, Boston has the better team O & D rating, but that is very close.

But yes, **** Philly.

 

[Kev4029]

Jokic is now the career leader in WS/48, BPM, and PER (tied with Jordan).

 

[Yo Mama]

Some fun games tonight.

 

[gruecd]

Pacers potentially trading THREE FIRSTS for Siakem is insane. He's a nice player, but THREE FIRSTS?!

 

[modogg]

Some fun games tonight.

Really seems like one of the best matchups in the finals is Nuggets-Sixers. Would be a real fun 7 game series.

 

[msudaisy26]

Don’t look now but the jazz have won like 38 games in a row

Someone has to make up for the Pistons so the league finishes at .500.

 

[msudaisy26]

Pacers potentially trading THREE FIRSTS for Siakem is insane. He's a nice player, but THREE FIRSTS?!

That doesn't seem that bad if they are 18 or later.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Pacers potentially trading THREE FIRSTS for Siakem is insane. He's a nice player, but THREE FIRSTS?!

That doesn't seem that bad if they are 18 or later.

They own the worst of the Thunder or Clipper pick. If they traded that plus their pick this season plus a future protected pick, yeah, that wouldn’t be bad.

 

[the moops]

Pacers potentially trading THREE FIRSTS for Siakem is insane. He's a nice player, but THREE FIRSTS?!

That doesn't seem that bad if they are 18 or later.

They own the worst of the Thunder or Clipper pick. If they traded that plus their pick this season plus a future protected pick, yeah, that wouldn’t be bad.

Also three firsts and maxing Siakam for 4 years. I think he is a really good fit in Indy, but not sure I want that contract in his age 34 season.

What does Indy throw their way for salary? Bruce Brown, Toppin, and several minimum guys?

 

[Kev4029]

Some fun games tonight.

Really seems like one of the best matchups in the finals is Nuggets-Sixers. Would be a real fun 7 game series.

I hope they both make it. They seem like a crazy fun matchup. Plus Embiid can't duck the Nuggets in Denver that way.