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2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (2 Viewers)

Watching the replay now on NFL ch, and Aiden just threw a TD to Cole and the way he read and released so fast he had shades of Kurt Warner , dont come down on me too hard fellas lol
I really liked what I saw from him. Honestly, there was nothing from that game that was a "yea, but..." sure, he isn't going to run and pick up a first down but in all 40 years of playing, Tom did that.... what? Once? My big question for him was picking up the system and making good decisions while under fire (as I saw some draft profiles that questioned his ability to do so). He looks super comfortable in the system (sure, pre-season is a dumbed down version but still) and was buying time with guys falling off him to make a throw. I am very encouraged by what I saw from him enough to wonder if he really is our future QB and not just a competent backup. Of course, that is way too early to say but he was creating buzz in camp and this game showed nothing but good stuff for him too.
 
On White.... first things first, he isn't a Jacobs clone. He is taller than Jacobs but actually listed weighing less. Jacobs is much more agile and shifty and creates power while White is faster (4.4 guy vs 4.54) and more of a one cut and go running. His power comes in getting steam together.

Now keep in mind, though this is his second year, his playing time has been next to nothing. He didn't play much as he struggled with the system and from what I gather has made progress with it but it still learning. He also ran behind guys like Herron who is unlikely to make the team so I am not too worried about him getting stuffed on short yardage situations. I don't think he is a good option as a short yardage guy.

Overall, he showed some good runs early and helped move the team downfield for the first TD.

I am not sure we have to be down on him. I don't think we have to crown him as our new starting RB either.
 
I am not sure we have to be down on [Zamir]

We have posters in this thread and others explicitly or implicitly stating that White can just step in and replace Jacobs with little fall off, because, you know, RBs. I am super down on that thought process. Zamir is fast and that's about it IMO. Jacobs is markedly better as an RB in every way other than straight-line speed/acceleration. This offense will miss Jacobs sorely IMO, if he misses any time this season for whatever reason.
 
Aiden O’Connell played better than the following QBs:
Bryce Young
Anthony Richardson
CJ Stroud
Will Levis
Gotta give McDaniels credit for getting the kid ready to play, he definitely didn’t look like rookie 4th round pick.

He didn't just play better than those other rooks. He played multi-levels better. It was just one game against backups, but he looked the part of a high-end starting NFL QB. Let's see if he can repeat it against first teamers and after NFL DCs break down his tape.
 
I am not sure we have to be down on [Zamir]

We have posters in this thread and others explicitly or implicitly stating that White can just step in and replace Jacobs with little fall off, because, you know, RBs. I am super down on that thought process. Zamir is fast and that's about it IMO. Jacobs is markedly better as an RB in every way other than straight-line speed/acceleration. This offense will miss Jacobs sorely IMO, if he misses any time this season for whatever reason.
understood. but history just shows that the RB with the most carries in a season is almost ALWAYS on the outside looking in the next season. Jacobs toted the roc 393 times last year. and he's holding out , at least for now. but the hit rate on 350+ touch RBs in year +1 are never, ever anything close to what they were the previous year. White will get a lot of work this season. I think LV wants to move on from Jacobs they don't want to pay him a king's ransom. he can get the franchise payments. my guess is he takes it, and fakes injuries all season long. oh, my oblique hurts. welp, my hammy feels tweaked .
White is the guy to own here.tough pill to swallow for Jacobs fans but the piles of data shows that even if he plays, he's going to wet the bed here
 
I am not sure we have to be down on [Zamir]

We have posters in this thread and others explicitly or implicitly stating that White can just step in and replace Jacobs with little fall off, because, you know, RBs. I am super down on that thought process. Zamir is fast and that's about it IMO. Jacobs is markedly better as an RB in every way other than straight-line speed/acceleration. This offense will miss Jacobs sorely IMO, if he misses any time this season for whatever reason.
understood. but history just shows that the RB with the most carries in a season is almost ALWAYS on the outside looking in the next season. Jacobs toted the roc 393 times last year. and he's holding out , at least for now. but the hit rate on 350+ touch RBs in year +1 are never, ever anything close to what they were the previous year. White will get a lot of work this season. I think LV wants to move on from Jacobs they don't want to pay him a king's ransom. he can get the franchise payments. my guess is he takes it, and fakes injuries all season long. oh, my oblique hurts. welp, my hammy feels tweaked .
White is the guy to own here.tough pill to swallow for Jacobs fans but the piles of data shows that even if he plays, he's going to wet the bed here
Not a bad take but there are a lot of examples of RBs in the 390 touch range following that up with another similar year.

A very quick glance at some historical data gave LT, Curtis Martin, Edge, Ricky Waters, Ricky Williams.

I'm guessing there are other examples.
 
I am not sure we have to be down on [Zamir]

We have posters in this thread and others explicitly or implicitly stating that White can just step in and replace Jacobs with little fall off, because, you know, RBs. I am super down on that thought process. Zamir is fast and that's about it IMO. Jacobs is markedly better as an RB in every way other than straight-line speed/acceleration. This offense will miss Jacobs sorely IMO, if he misses any time this season for whatever reason.
understood. but history just shows that the RB with the most carries in a season is almost ALWAYS on the outside looking in the next season. Jacobs toted the roc 393 times last year. and he's holding out , at least for now. but the hit rate on 350+ touch RBs in year +1 are never, ever anything close to what they were the previous year. White will get a lot of work this season. I think LV wants to move on from Jacobs they don't want to pay him a king's ransom. he can get the franchise payments. my guess is he takes it, and fakes injuries all season long. oh, my oblique hurts. welp, my hammy feels tweaked .
White is the guy to own here.tough pill to swallow for Jacobs fans but the piles of data shows that even if he plays, he's going to wet the bed here
If he sits on knick knack injuries then you know he is faking it because his whole career he has been a warrior fighting through various injuries.

The Raider don't want to pay a Kings ransom for sure but the market is dictating what is and is not a King's ransom for RB's. Jacobs is not going go fair much better than the franchise tag on the open market.
 
Brandon Parker placed on the IR, ending his 2023 season.
That super sucks for him. Two seasons back to back being lost. Feel bad for the guy.

So, RT is a two man race between Eluemunor and Munford. Dalton Wagner, who played very well in the game, might have an opening to make the team now.
 
probably depends a lot on how mcD and zieg heil feel about the team at the end of preseason.

team looks good enough you think you got a playoff run, you sign your star rb.

team looks like it still needs work, why would you bother?
 
probably depends a lot on how mcD and zieg heil feel about the team at the end of preseason.

team looks good enough you think you got a playoff run, you sign your star rb.

team looks like it still needs work, why would you bother?
They can't sign Jacobs long term at this point, they can only do something for this year. They can throw some incentives in to enhance the franchise tag value but that's about it.
 
probably depends a lot on how mcD and zieg heil feel about the team at the end of preseason.

team looks good enough you think you got a playoff run, you sign your star rb.

team looks like it still needs work, why would you bother?
If they are building a team then they may want to keep a RB like Jacobs if the can. If they didn't want him they wouldn't have tagged him. This isn't McD/Z this is Jacobs. He will sit likely through pre-season and then sign right before the season starts. It would make no sense to pass on 10+ million to make a statement.
 
why do you need jacobs if you can't make the playoffs?

better off bombing and getting a better pick. mark davis isn't going to fire mcd and zieg until the contract is up
I'm all for sucking for Williams or Maye but NFL teams don't operate that way in August, unless your the 2011 Colts. That worked out well for the Colts and could have been even better so I'm on board if Mark Davis is, but he isn't.

This team isn't locked into bottom feeder status, a Super Bowl title seems impossible but a playoff spot isn't out of the question.
 
why do you need jacobs if you can't make the playoffs?

better off bombing and getting a better pick. mark davis isn't going to fire mcd and zieg until the contract is up

I hate this thinking in general, but especially after the fire and brimstone Mad Maxx and his dudes have been bringing so far. Nothing screams loser more than losing intentionally. Prospects bust every year. None of them are worth an organization's or even a coach's integrity. Even if they don't make the playoffs this year, there is plenty of reason to *try* to win every week. Anyone who doesn't get that I'd guess hasn't ever tried to lead a team and/or build a culture. Takes consistency and time to build any worthwhile organization and just a few actions by leadership contrary to the overall cultural message to destroy it.
 
If they are building a team then they [should] keep a RB like Jacobs if the can

FTFY.

The only reason not to extend an olive branch to get Jacobs back under the tent for 2023 is if he is damanding an arm and no less. If so, then fine, he is a selfish idiot and they should stand strong. But if he is willing to take something reasonable to offset his disappointment and they are playing the take it or leave it game with the tag, then they are grossly underestimating his value, and being idiotic, b/c even if he eventually signs, he will do so half-hearted and half-committed, which is not the Jacobs we know and would expect, but the Jacobs we'd get.
 
why do you need jacobs if you can't make the playoffs?

better off bombing and getting a better pick. mark davis isn't going to fire mcd and zieg until the contract is up
Zero NFL teams think this way. They aren't running fantasy teams, they are running billion dollar businesses.
I wouldn't say zero. It's pretty clear the Colts went that route.

And there are enough examples of teams making highly suspect decisions during lost seasons to question their integrity.

An 0-17 team gets just as much of the revenue share as a 17-0 team.
 
I think in the rare examples you can see a team tanking with intent, all of the other moves the Raiders have made recently don't point in that direction. So taking the tanking route ONLY because of Jacobs doesn't make sense for what the Raiders are doing. (or maybe trying to do)
 
Per Silver and Black Raiders FB page:

There you have it. The first Dustup.

Maxx Crosby and Cam Akers for LA. Maxx chased down Akers and tried to punch the ball loose. Akers buried his helmet into him after the play so Crosby went after him. Punches were thrown. Both sides got involved but was broken up quickly. Akers was kicked out of practice and Maxx Crosby went to the sidelines.
 
Per Silver and Black Raiders FB page:

There you have it. The first Dustup.

Maxx Crosby and Cam Akers for LA. Maxx chased down Akers and tried to punch the ball loose. Akers buried his helmet into him after the play so Crosby went after him. Punches were thrown. Both sides got involved but was broken up quickly. Akers was kicked out of practice and Maxx Crosby went to the sidelines.
Maxx sets a tone for the entire defense. If the rest of the d-line buys in they may be a surprising unit this season.
 
Per Silver and Black Raiders FB page:

There you have it. The first Dustup.

Maxx Crosby and Cam Akers for LA. Maxx chased down Akers and tried to punch the ball loose. Akers buried his helmet into him after the play so Crosby went after him. Punches were thrown. Both sides got involved but was broken up quickly. Akers was kicked out of practice and Maxx Crosby went to the sidelines.
Maxx sets a tone for the entire defense. If the rest of the d-line buys in they may be a surprising unit this season.
Dude seems to really have stepped up into a leadership role this year and amped up his level of GO GET IT. Nothing but good things can happen with that influence.
 
When a coaching staff goes into the mindset of losing on purpose, there is very little chance of success in the future with said staff. People suggesting this display a complete lack of understanding about the psychology of a football team.
Indy got over it.

No one in here truly wants that, even me who has been shouting it from the rooftops for months. But if the Raiders end up with the #1 pick in 2024 I wouldn't be crying, that's for sure.
 
A few observations and overall impressions after the first preseason game:
I said about a month ago, I had no idea what to expect from this team. I could see a 3-14 record to possibly 9-8. The way the Raiders reportedly dominated the 9ers all week long, I’m inching closer to 9-8. There’s still a long way to go (I’m hearing Stafford carved up the secondary today) but I prefer the zero hype this year compared to last year that was obviously over-hyped.
The Raiders went undefeated in preseason last year but they did not dominate any team last year like the way they did the 49ers on Sunday. If Shelly would’ve caught his INT it would have been a shutout. I’m really doing my best to temper my expectations and overall enthusiasm. When your rookie QB out plays everyone drafted ahead of him, it shines a little ray of hope that maybe this regime might know what they’re doing and we’re just going to have to let go of all the shenanigans of the past and start to put some trust in these guys. O’Connell just looked like he belonged out there on the field. That says a lot about the kid and the coaching that went into getting him prepared. I’m starting to believe that no matter who’s under center, the offense will be ok. It’s always going to come down to the defense. Hopefully we start to see some improvement in depth on that side of the ball.
 
does the cap space still carry over to next season? could be a reason for not bringing jacobs back

I think they make it happen before the season. the backups just aren't good enough. I miss rocket rich
 
No one in here truly wants that, even me who has been shouting it from the rooftops for months
Well geez then if no one thinks it's viable, can we stop pushing it?

This is like NFL Brexit
I will not be shamed for openly wanting the Raiders to have an elite, decade long starting QB who makes them competitive every single season.

IN O'CONNELL WE TRUST!!!
 
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