2024-25 NBA Thread: Thunder starting to question having 140 pound guy playing in post in Finals (52 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

Maybe so. I can't say I remember much about the pre-Kerr Warriors. Maybe Kerr got them to get along and play a little better before they hit their prime. Since Kerr got to GS, who did they draft and develop that wasn't already on the roster? Their success has mostly stemmed from the 4 HOF guys (Steph, Klay, Dray, and KD). Those guys were all great. But I can't think of another player in 11 seasons that GS drafted and developed that has been a big contributor (either for the Warriors or another team). Maybe the next guy after that group that has been a long-time player was probably Wiggins . . . but he was already established in his time with MIN. Keeping your main 3 cogs together for that long was a huge accomplishment in its own right.

 

[General Malaise]

Now Kerr is getting dinged for not developing players that his front office drafted - usually LATE because they've been super successful? Who did Phil Jackson develop? Pat Riley? Pretty sure MJ and Kareem were pretty good before those guys got there but Kerr gets dinged? Okay......

 

[msudaisy26]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

Maybe so. I can't say I remember much about the pre-Kerr Warriors. Maybe Kerr got them to get along and play a little better before they hit their prime. Since Kerr got to GS, who did they draft and develop that wasn't already on the roster? Their success has mostly stemmed from the 4 HOF guys (Steph, Klay, Dray, and KD). Those guys were all great. But I can't think of another player in 11 seasons that GS drafted and developed that has been a big contributor (either for the Warriors or another team). Maybe the next guy after that group that has been a long-time player was probably Wiggins . . . but he was already established in his time with MIN. Keeping your main 3 cogs together for that long was a huge accomplishment in its own right.

They traded a lot of picks, they also revived Andrew Wiggins career Kevin looney has had a solid career for a 30th pick, Jordan Poole. The hate is very odd.

 

[Yo Mama]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

Maybe so. I can't say I remember much about the pre-Kerr Warriors. Maybe Kerr got them to get along and play a little better before they hit their prime. Since Kerr got to GS, who did they draft and develop that wasn't already on the roster? Their success has mostly stemmed from the 4 HOF guys (Steph, Klay, Dray, and KD). Those guys were all great. But I can't think of another player in 11 seasons that GS drafted and developed that has been a big contributor (either for the Warriors or another team). Maybe the next guy after that group that has been a long-time player was probably Wiggins . . . but he was already established in his time with MIN. Keeping your main 3 cogs together for that long was a huge accomplishment in its own right.

Phil Jackson didn’t really develop anyone in his time either. That’s not what made him a great coach.

 

[msudaisy26]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

Maybe so. I can't say I remember much about the pre-Kerr Warriors. Maybe Kerr got them to get along and play a little better before they hit their prime. Since Kerr got to GS, who did they draft and develop that wasn't already on the roster? Their success has mostly stemmed from the 4 HOF guys (Steph, Klay, Dray, and KD). Those guys were all great. But I can't think of another player in 11 seasons that GS drafted and developed that has been a big contributor (either for the Warriors or another team). Maybe the next guy after that group that has been a long-time player was probably Wiggins . . . but he was already established in his time with MIN. Keeping your main 3 cogs together for that long was a huge accomplishment in its own right.

Phil Jackson didn’t really develop anyone in his time either. That’s not what made him a great coach.

I think the Spurs should trade for Giannis, and hire me for the new coach. I would be way cheaper than anyone else and that roster is going to win no matter who is coaching.

 

[General Malaise]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

Maybe so. I can't say I remember much about the pre-Kerr Warriors. Maybe Kerr got them to get along and play a little better before they hit their prime. Since Kerr got to GS, who did they draft and develop that wasn't already on the roster? Their success has mostly stemmed from the 4 HOF guys (Steph, Klay, Dray, and KD). Those guys were all great. But I can't think of another player in 11 seasons that GS drafted and developed that has been a big contributor (either for the Warriors or another team). Maybe the next guy after that group that has been a long-time player was probably Wiggins . . . but he was already established in his time with MIN. Keeping your main 3 cogs together for that long was a huge accomplishment in its own right.

Phil Jackson didn’t really develop anyone in his time either. That’s not what made him a great coach.

I think the Spurs should trade for Giannis, and hire me for the new coach. I would be way cheaper than anyone else and that roster is going to win no matter who is coaching.

I'll be your assistant coach in charge of developing Giannis if you need a hand.

 

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[msudaisy26]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

Maybe so. I can't say I remember much about the pre-Kerr Warriors. Maybe Kerr got them to get along and play a little better before they hit their prime. Since Kerr got to GS, who did they draft and develop that wasn't already on the roster? Their success has mostly stemmed from the 4 HOF guys (Steph, Klay, Dray, and KD). Those guys were all great. But I can't think of another player in 11 seasons that GS drafted and developed that has been a big contributor (either for the Warriors or another team). Maybe the next guy after that group that has been a long-time player was probably Wiggins . . . but he was already established in his time with MIN. Keeping your main 3 cogs together for that long was a huge accomplishment in its own right.

Phil Jackson didn’t really develop anyone in his time either. That’s not what made him a great coach.

It is also difficult to develop guys when you are competing for titles and extra minutes are scare. Steph, Klay, Durant, Iggy, Draymond, Zaza, Livingston etc. Didn't leave a lot of minutes for young guys.

 

[Zow]

Can somebody give me the cliffs notes on why people don't like Steve Kerr? I can see an argument that maybe he isn't a great coach but he seems plenty likeable.

I always thought he was in the universally liked bucket like, say, Rickie Fowler, P.K. Subban, Jason Witten, Terrell Brandon, JJ Watt, etc.

 

[massraider]

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him?

I forgot he didn't win Finals MVP last year when they won the title. Awful. Terrible.
Could his legacy get more stained after that?

If they go win back to back titles, there will be some hard questions alright.

Potential dark days ahead

 

[General Malaise]

Can somebody give me the cliffs notes on why people don't like Steve Kerr? I can see an argument that maybe he isn't a great coach but he seems plenty likeable.

I always thought he was in the universally liked bucket like, say, Rickie Fowler, P.K. Subban, Jason Witten, Terrell Brandon, JJ Watt, etc.

He didn't play Jason Taytum enough minutes in the Olympics is his biggest sin.

Other marks against him are political in nature so we can't go there.

 

[Zow]

Can somebody give me the cliffs notes on why people don't like Steve Kerr? I can see an argument that maybe he isn't a great coach but he seems plenty likeable.

I always thought he was in the universally liked bucket like, say, Rickie Fowler, P.K. Subban, Jason Witten, Terrell Brandon, JJ Watt, etc.

He didn't play Jason Taytum enough minutes in the Olympics is his biggest sin.

Other marks against him are political in nature so we can't go there.

Oh. Well both of those are dumb reasons.

 

[General Malaise]

Can somebody give me the cliffs notes on why people don't like Steve Kerr? I can see an argument that maybe he isn't a great coach but he seems plenty likeable.

I always thought he was in the universally liked bucket like, say, Rickie Fowler, P.K. Subban, Jason Witten, Terrell Brandon, JJ Watt, etc.

He didn't play Jason Taytum enough minutes in the Olympics is his biggest sin.

Other marks against him are political in nature so we can't go there.

Oh. Well both of those are dumb reasons.

Boston sports' fans are irrational. Especially now.

 

[msudaisy26]

Can somebody give me the cliffs notes on why people don't like Steve Kerr? I can see an argument that maybe he isn't a great coach but he seems plenty likeable.

I always thought he was in the universally liked bucket like, say, Rickie Fowler, P.K. Subban, Jason Witten, Terrell Brandon, JJ Watt, etc.

He has been very vocal about his politics, which is going to turn off roughly half of the people., then the Celtic fans don't like him because of the 22 finals and rhe Olympics last summer.

 

[Zow]

We obviously won't discuss the particulars, but I genuinely didn't know he was so vocal about politics.

 

[Jayrod]

Good grief. I feel like I'm in the middle of a beef I haven't chimed in on in a long time.

Cappy (I think it was him) already ripped into me over it months ago and I promised to drop it, so I will refrain from any further negative Kerr comments.

 

[Jayrod]

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him?

I forgot he didn't win Finals MVP last year when they won the title. Awful. Terrible.
Could his legacy get more stained after that?

If they go win back to back titles, there will be some hard questions alright.

Potential dark days ahead

Curry seemed to get over it after not winning for their first 3 titles. Bird didn't win Finals MVP in 1980 either.

But I sense you are being sarcastic.

 

[Jayrod]

Can somebody give me the cliffs notes on why people don't like Steve Kerr? I can see an argument that maybe he isn't a great coach but he seems plenty likeable.

I always thought he was in the universally liked bucket like, say, Rickie Fowler, P.K. Subban, Jason Witten, Terrell Brandon, JJ Watt, etc.

He didn't play Jason Taytum enough minutes in the Olympics is his biggest sin.

Other marks against him are political in nature so we can't go there.

Oh. Well both of those are dumb reasons.

Boston sports' fans are irrational. Especially now.

Put that broad brush away there, chief.

 

[General Malaise]

Can somebody give me the cliffs notes on why people don't like Steve Kerr? I can see an argument that maybe he isn't a great coach but he seems plenty likeable.

I always thought he was in the universally liked bucket like, say, Rickie Fowler, P.K. Subban, Jason Witten, Terrell Brandon, JJ Watt, etc.

He didn't play Jason Taytum enough minutes in the Olympics is his biggest sin.

Other marks against him are political in nature so we can't go there.

Oh. Well both of those are dumb reasons.

Boston sports' fans are irrational. Especially now.

Put that broad brush away there, chief.

Dude, youu don't even live in Boston. Sit down.

 

[Jayrod]

Boston sports' fans are irrational. Especially now.

Put that broad brush away there, chief.

Dude, youu don't even live in Boston. Sit down.

True. Just a Celtics fan.

I've also rooted AGAINST the Pats & Red Sox my whole life, so I got that going for me, which is nice.

 

[mr. furley]

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[Spartans Rule]

Maybe so. I can't say I remember much about the pre-Kerr Warriors. Maybe Kerr got them to get along and play a little better before they hit their prime. Since Kerr got to GS, who did they draft and develop that wasn't already on the roster? Their success has mostly stemmed from the 4 HOF guys (Steph, Klay, Dray, and KD)

I remember the offseason discussions before Kerr took over. The Warriors were criticized for being unwilling to include Klay in a trade for Kevin Love. Draymond starting at the 4 wasn’t even part of their roster conversation. He was just some bench guy.

In hindsight it looks like a pretty good team to inherit, but nobody thought it was full of HOFers at the time.

 

[Capella]

Guys I specifically said no dumb arguments while I’m gone.

 

[Jayrod]

Guys I specifically said no dumb arguments while I’m gone.

It wasn't my fault!!! I stayed out of it.

 

[Zow]

Guys I specifically said no dumb arguments while I’m gone.

I'll take partial responsibility for asking about Kerr. I genuinely didn't get it.

 

[Frostillicus]

Guys I specifically said no dumb arguments while I’m gone.

So no posts while you're gone?

 

[msudaisy26]

Guys I specifically said no dumb arguments while I’m gone.

In our defense we thought you were still gone!

 

[Mister CIA]

Sit hard, Denver.

 

[identikit]

No one is missing a shot

 

[identikit]

5280!

 

[msudaisy26]

5280!

I like the concept, I don't like the design. It needs to be smaller.

 

[General Malaise]

The greatest trick @Capella ever pulled was convincing this thread he wasn't here.

 

[msudaisy26]

Nuggets with a great start, but I feel like this pace isn't what they want.

 

[Kev4029]

5280!

I like the concept, I don't like the design. It needs to be smaller.

I'm the opposite. Hate the concept, love the design.

The elevation stuff is stupid.

 

[Kev4029]

Nuggets with a great start, but I feel like this pace isn't what they want.

They slowed it down the last 2 minutes for you

 

[msudaisy26]

Nuggets with a great start, but I feel like this pace isn't what they want.

They slowed it down the last 2 minutes for you

That and Westbrook came in and didn't help.

 

[msudaisy26]

Westbrook is all or nothing so far. Great offensive rebound and pur back, but has three turnovers,.missed his other two shots and missed a free throw.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Chet is so fluid and athletic but I worry that he is going to get broken in half like a breadstick.

 

[Moe.]

Murray is playing well but looks miserable. Thunder need to end it tonight

 

[identikit]

Nuggets with a great start, but I feel like this pace isn't what they want.

Good call here

Faster pace and OKC is pushing ahead

 

[Moe.]

What are these foul calls? Two in a row where there was no contact at all

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not one to complain about the refs, but they let them play in the 1st quarter and now they are calling everything.

 

[identikit]

I am not one to complain about the refs, but they let them play in the 1st quarter and now they are calling everything.

Like since the dead ball kinda scuffle

 

[Kev4029]

I am not one to complain about the refs, but they let them play in the 1st quarter and now they are calling everything.

Like since the dead ball kinda scuffle

Which is kind of a good idea. It was about to get super chippy.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not one to complain about the refs, but they let them play in the 1st quarter and now they are calling everything.

Like since the dead ball kinda scuffle

Which is kind of a good idea. It was about to get super chippy.

I prefer the double technicals and let them keep playing.

 

[msudaisy26]

Westbrook or MPJ need to get it together especially with Murray sick.

 

[Moe.]

Daigneault has got to stop with these early challenges

 

[msudaisy26]

Daigneault has got to stop with these early challenges

Especially since he is going to lose unless the say Braun fouled him.

 

[identikit]

Thought Murray was shot there