2024-25 NBA Thread: for the second time, somebody in Dallas hits low percentage shot that leads to a generation of conspiracy theories (18 Viewers)

[identikit]

looks like a G League game

 

[the moops]

Kornet is making himself some money tonight.

I think he had already. Is he any worse that Hartenstein?

 

[ChicoCat]

Mark Cuban, Shaq and Bronny's dad want to own an NBA team together. I know one for sale if somebody wants to get word to them for me.

TIA.

Did Cuban sell all of his interest in the Mavericks? I don't think he did, but would imagine he would have to,

I believe he still owns 27% of the team.

Correct, he would have to sell the remaining 27% before buying another team in the NBA.

But he wants to. And there's one for sale. And he likes the PNW. And its weed.

I absolutely love Cuban.

But about 36 months ago, he sold out his "beloved" Mavs to the POS Adelson family.

It was either for the payday, or "he didn't want his kids to feel the pressure".

Whatever the reason, if he'd sell his own Mavs down the river, why do you want him buying a team you love?

harsh

the guy did revive a moribund franchise that was more or less a laughingstock of sports. he gave Dallas life again.

were the Bucks in position to sell (please, yes) i'd be thrilled to see Cuban buy them.

Same with the Sixers.

What is the same?

I'd take Cuban over Harris......

 

[Frostillicus]

looks like a G League game

That's because the Timberwolves continue to play to the level of their competition. When they play good teams, that's good. When they play teams who don't have their best player, that's bad. They're gonna **** around and expect they can turn it on like Game 4 and end up losing.

 

[Mister CIA]

Go Wolves!

 

[Major]

Go Wolves!

Our Wolves are looking good. Glad we stuck with them over all these years

 

[Frostillicus]

omg

 

[Yo Mama]

Randle has been huge in the playoffs so far.

 

[identikit]

Randle has been huge in the playoffs so far.

What a resurrection for him

 

[Major]

Randle has been huge in the playoffs so far.

Looking like the blue chip piece from the KAT trade. Has that ever worked out for them

 

[Redwes25]

Randle has been huge in the playoffs so far.

What a resurrection for him

I know he had a tough start with them but he gave a lot to the Knicks the last few years and is a major reason they had a resurgence.

 

[Desert_Power]

Randle has been huge in the playoffs so far.

What a resurrection for him

I know he had a tough start with them but he gave a lot to the Knicks the last few years and is a major reason they had a resurgence.

Knicks-Wolves finals would be cool...

 

[Mister CIA]

I realized last night that it was teh first time I'd ever seen Randle smile.

Both conference finals are going to be sensational, no matter which matchups we get.

 

[Frostillicus]

I realized last night that it was teh first time I'd ever seen Randle smile.

Both conference finals are going to be sensational, no matter which matchups we get.

I just hope everyone has fun out there.

(and that the Nuggets/Thunder series goes 7 games with several overtimes)

 

[Anarchy99]

Over the last 5 years without Tatum playing, BOS has gone 25-4 at home including winning their last 17 in a row. The road, however, is a completely different story. They've gone 4-12 on the road without JT in that time.

Prior to this series, BOS had gone 67-3 when ahead by 14 points in the second half in their last 70 such situations. They've gone 2-3 in the same scenario in the Knicks series. Kornet against the Knicks has a net +68 rating. Porzingis has a net rating of -27. Seems pretty clear who should be getting the majority of minutes.

 

[Jayrod]

Over the last 5 years without Tatum playing, BOS has gone 25-4 at home including winning their last 17 in a row. The road, however, is a completely different story. They've gone 1-13 on the road without JT in that time.

Prior to this series, BOS had gone 67-3 when ahead by 14 points in the second half in their last 70 such situations. They've gone 2-3 in the same scenario in the Knicks series. Kornet against the Knicks has a net +68 rating. Porzingis has a net rating of -27. Seems pretty clear who should be getting the majority of minutes.

I've loved Kornet all season, but always wondered if it was just due to primarily facing backups and coming in fresh.

Guy has evolved his game from a mediocre stretch 5 to Rudy Gobert with good hands.

 

[Jayrod]

I think the Celtics should have leaned on their depth as a team more. Too much top-heavy iso ball and not enough running and ball movement. Now without JT they will be relying on the "other" guys more and that may lead to more efficiency and there is a chance they pull off a series win here.

Not sure they can match up with the Pacers, but I'd live to see them give it a go.

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him? Not going to happen (probably?) but that would drive narratives for decades.

 

[Zow]

I realized last night that it was teh first time I'd ever seen Randle smile.

Both conference finals are going to be sensational, no matter which matchups we get.

I just hope everyone has fun out there.

(and that the Nuggets/Thunder series goes 7 games with several overtimes)

And that maybe SGA or Jokic hit the lottery and lose interest in playing.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I definitely wish the Warriors would've won last night to extend the series and to see if Steph could've made a push to play. But, despite the loss, this roller coaster of a season for them has been a fun ride for Dub Nation.

I know the core of Steph, Draymond, and Jimmy will be 38, 36, and 36 next year, so load management will have to be a thing considering Steph's fatigue-caused hamstring strain.

I feel like they should re-sign Kuminga, if it's under $40MM (hopefully not that high). Not sure what that means with respect to not being in too high of an apron, but Lacob has been there before. JK's explosiveness and decent defense and youth are needed on this team. I feel like Kerr and staff could make the rotations work with JK and the vets given a full off-season and training camp. It was too difficult to integrate mid season, let alone after Butler joined the team while JK was injured.

Congrats to the Wolves on moving to the WCF.

 

[Anarchy99]

I've loved Kornet all season, but always wondered if it was just due to primarily facing backups and coming in fresh.

Guy has evolved his game from a mediocre stretch 5 to Rudy Gobert with good hands.

Kornet reminds me of parts of Rob Williams and Porzingis blended together. He can be disruptive under the rim on both sides of the ball. They don't have too many plays for him other than the occasional pick and roll and rim running lobs. Williams didn't really ever shoot, and Kornet's arms are so long he alters shots like a healthy KP does. The Unicorn with an abysmal .262 eFG% and .1433P% so far. Maybe put him in to give some other guys a few minutes of rest, but he's mostly unplayable. Queta might be a better option in that emergency minutes role.

 

[Anarchy99]

I think the Celtics should have leaned on their depth as a team more. Too much top-heavy iso ball and not enough running and ball movement. Now without JT they will be relying on the "other" guys more and that may lead to more efficiency and there is a chance they pull off a series win here.

Not sure they can match up with the Pacers, but I'd live to see them give it a go.

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him? Not going to happen (probably?) but that would drive narratives for decades.

I can't see them winning 10 more games with this lineup. They may not even win one more game. What are the chances they make 22 threes and shoot 45% from deep consistently? The Knicks shot 35% overall. The 4 starters less KP but with Kornet added in shot 62% for the game. We've talked about shot variance for a couple weeks now. Sure, if they should 50%+ and 45% every night, they could win.

There's already dumb sports radio talk that they are better without Tatum, look at their record at home without Tatum, look at how much better JB was without Tatum, look at how much better everyone else played without Tatum. It was one game. As I just posted, it's been a completely different situation on the road. If they can drag things out and someone make the ECF, guys that have been dinged up or not been playing full time will have to play way more minutes than they are used to. The way the Pacers play and their pace, I would be concerned they won't be able to keep up with them. They are effectively playing without JT and KP right now. Hopefully they find a way and make their open shots. But that is likely the only chance they have to keep going.

 

[Jayrod]

I think the Celtics should have leaned on their depth as a team more. Too much top-heavy iso ball and not enough running and ball movement. Now without JT they will be relying on the "other" guys more and that may lead to more efficiency and there is a chance they pull off a series win here.

Not sure they can match up with the Pacers, but I'd live to see them give it a go.

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him? Not going to happen (probably?) but that would drive narratives for decades.

I can't see them winning 10 more games with this lineup. They may not even win one more game. What are the chances they make 22 threes and shoot 45% from deep consistently? The Knicks shot 35% overall. The 4 starters less KP but with Kornet added in shot 62% for the game. We've talked about shot variance for a couple weeks now. Sure, if they should 50%+ and 45% every night, they could win.

There's already dumb sports radio talk that they are better without Tatum, look at their record at home without Tatum, look at how much better JB was without Tatum, look at how much better everyone else played without Tatum. It was one game. As I just posted, it's been a completely different situation on the road. If they can drag things out and someone make the ECF, guys that have been dinged up or not been playing full time will have to play way more minutes than they are used to. The way the Pacers play and their pace, I would be concerned they won't be able to keep up with them. They are effectively playing without JT and KP right now. Hopefully they find a way and make their open shots. But that is likely the only chance they have to keep going.

But they crushed the Knicks last night by 25.

The effort and intensity mattered as much as the shooting surge. However, I will concede their defensive effort may have been fueled by the fact that they were winning and at home. Maybe JB and Kornet aren't diving after loose balls and Derrick White isn't the reincarnation of Steph Curry if they are down 20 in the Garden tomorrow night.

 

[Major]

I've loved Kornet all season, but always wondered if it was just due to primarily facing backups and coming in fresh.

Guy has evolved his game from a mediocre stretch 5 to Rudy Gobert with good hands.

Kornet reminds me of parts of Rob Williams and Porzingis blended together. He can be disruptive under the rim on both sides of the ball. They don't have too many plays for him other than the occasional pick and roll and rim running lobs. Williams didn't really ever shoot, and Kornet's arms are so long he alters shots like a healthy KP does. The Unicorn with an abysmal .262 eFG% and .1433P% so far. Maybe put him in to give some other guys a few minutes of rest, but he's mostly unplayable. Queta might be a better option in that emergency minutes role.

I don't follow Boston nicknames but he's gotta be The Green Kornet, right?

 

[ShamrockPride]

I think the Celtics should have leaned on their depth as a team more. Too much top-heavy iso ball and not enough running and ball movement. Now without JT they will be relying on the "other" guys more and that may lead to more efficiency and there is a chance they pull off a series win here.

Not sure they can match up with the Pacers, but I'd live to see them give it a go.

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him? Not going to happen (probably?) but that would drive narratives for decades.

As I've said before this series, I didn't view either IND or CLE as a title threat (if I'm wrong and they win, Cappy or whoever else can mock me all they want). Good enough to get through the East, but now without Tatum, I'm not sure anybody stacks up against any of Minny, OKC, or Denver.

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the Celtics should have leaned on their depth as a team more. Too much top-heavy iso ball and not enough running and ball movement. Now without JT they will be relying on the "other" guys more and that may lead to more efficiency and there is a chance they pull off a series win here.

Not sure they can match up with the Pacers, but I'd live to see them give it a go.

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him? Not going to happen (probably?) but that would drive narratives for decades.

Not a stain at all. The stain would be on Thibs and the Knicks.

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the Celtics should have leaned on their depth as a team more. Too much top-heavy iso ball and not enough running and ball movement. Now without JT they will be relying on the "other" guys more and that may lead to more efficiency and there is a chance they pull off a series win here.

Not sure they can match up with the Pacers, but I'd live to see them give it a go.

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him? Not going to happen (probably?) but that would drive narratives for decades.

As I've said before this series, I didn't view either IND or CLE as a title threat (if I'm wrong and they win, Cappy or whoever else can mock me all they want). Good enough to get through the East, but now without Tatum, I'm not sure anybody stacks up against any of Minny, OKC, or Denver.

I felt that way since the start of the playoffs, but the further you dig into the Pacers and look at their stats and take away their awful start to the year, then you realize the are legit. Top four team since January 1st, top 10 defensively and they have depth. I think they should be the favorite against everyone, except OKC.

 

[SHH]

Knicks or Pacers against OKC? Congratulations OKC fans on your first championship... The East is so mid it's crazy.

 

[thecatch]

Mark Cuban, Shaq and Bronny's dad want to own an NBA team together. I know one for sale if somebody wants to get word to them for me.

TIA.

Did Cuban sell all of his interest in the Mavericks? I don't think he did, but would imagine he would have to,

I believe he still owns 27% of the team.

Correct, he would have to sell the remaining 27% before buying another team in the NBA.

But he wants to. And there's one for sale. And he likes the PNW. And its weed.

I absolutely love Cuban.

But about 36 months ago, he sold out his "beloved" Mavs to the POS Adelson family.

It was either for the payday, or "he didn't want his kids to feel the pressure".

Whatever the reason, if he'd sell his own Mavs down the river, why do you want him buying a team you love?

He ones them for over 20 years and turned that franchise into a consistent winner. This wasn't some pump and dump.

Not a pump and dump at all One of the greatest owners ever.

It would be great if he still was an owner.

But he's not.

There are a number of different reasons why that could be and why he sold it to an obviously terrible ownership group.

I don't know why, but he did.

Cuban hired Nico. What are we talking about here.

 

[Redwes25]

I think the Celtics should have leaned on their depth as a team more. Too much top-heavy iso ball and not enough running and ball movement. Now without JT they will be relying on the "other" guys more and that may lead to more efficiency and there is a chance they pull off a series win here.

Not sure they can match up with the Pacers, but I'd live to see them give it a go.

On a side note, what if by some miracle they win it all WITHOUT Tatum? Talk about a stain on his long term legacy. He didn't get Finals MVP when they won and then they went ahead and won without him? Not going to happen (probably?) but that would drive narratives for decades.

I can't see them winning 10 more games with this lineup. They may not even win one more game. What are the chances they make 22 threes and shoot 45% from deep consistently? The Knicks shot 35% overall. The 4 starters less KP but with Kornet added in shot 62% for the game. We've talked about shot variance for a couple weeks now. Sure, if they should 50%+ and 45% every night, they could win.

There's already dumb sports radio talk that they are better without Tatum, look at their record at home without Tatum, look at how much better JB was without Tatum, look at how much better everyone else played without Tatum. It was one game. As I just posted, it's been a completely different situation on the road. If they can drag things out and someone make the ECF, guys that have been dinged up or not been playing full time will have to play way more minutes than they are used to. The way the Pacers play and their pace, I would be concerned they won't be able to keep up with them. They are effectively playing without JT and KP right now. Hopefully they find a way and make their open shots. But that is likely the only chance they have to keep going.

But they crushed the Knicks last night by 25.

The effort and intensity mattered as much as the shooting surge. However, I will concede their defensive effort may have been fueled by the fact that they were winning and at home. Maybe JB and Kornet aren't diving after loose balls and Derrick White isn't the reincarnation of Steph Curry if they are down 20 in the Garden tomorrow night.

Knicks continue to play so erratic. We have put together one full good game in these playoff (game 4). I don't see Celtics shooting 45% from 3 and 50% plus for both of next two games so Knicks should find a way to win this series. Of course if they decided to take full quarters off like they did last night it is going to be tough.

 

[Jayrod]

Knicks or Pacers against OKC? Congratulations OKC fans on your first championship... The East is so mid it's crazy.

They may not even get out of the West. As @msudaisy26 points out above, the Pacers are legit. I'd be shocked if the West champ sweeps the East. Probably a 6 game series even if its the Knicks or Tatum-less Celtics.

 

[SWC]

i mean it will be interesting to see what happens in the next ny bos game part of me wants to say it was just a dead cat bounce last night but maybe having ball movement is the answer for a team that shoots threes i mean i am not trying to bag on tatum tot but they looked like such a better team last night take that to the bank brohans

 

[General Malaise]

i mean it will be interesting to see what happens in the next ny bos game part of me wants to say it was just a dead cat bounce last night but maybe having ball movement is the answer for a team that shoots threes i mean i am not trying to bag on tatum tot but they looked like such a better team last night take that to the bank brohans

Maybe Steve Kerr knew what he was doing afterall......

 

[Juxtatarot]

his game from a mediocre stretch 5 to Rudy Gobert with good hands.

I was looking up his stats the other day and was surprised that he basically abandoned his 3-point shooting. He shot decently his first couple seasons with the Knicks and when he signed with the Bulls there was talk about how favorably he looked from an analytics standpoint with his distance shooting and shot blocking. However, he shot terribly with the Bulls even with a lot of wide open looks. I think that was why they soured on him.

 

[General Malaise]

I'm going to pay for that one.

 

[Zow]

Knicks or Pacers against OKC? Congratulations OKC fans on your first championship... The East is so mid it's crazy.

"And I took that personally."

- Anthony Edwards

 

[Anarchy99]

his game from a mediocre stretch 5 to Rudy Gobert with good hands.

I was looking up his stats the other day and was surprised that he basically abandoned his 3-point shooting. He shot decently his first couple seasons with the Knicks and when he signed with the Bulls there was talk about how favorably he looked from an analytics standpoint with his distance shooting and shot blocking. However, he shot terribly with the Bulls even with a lot of wide open looks. I think that was why they soured on him.

Kornet holds the NCAA career record for most made 3 pointers by a player 7 feet or taller.

 

[Tin Cup]

i mean it will be interesting to see what happens in the next ny bos game part of me wants to say it was just a dead cat bounce last night but maybe having ball movement is the answer for a team that shoots threes i mean i am not trying to bag on tatum tot but they looked like such a better team last night take that to the bank brohans

Nice use of “dead cat bounce”. I certainly will be taking that to the bank, brochacho.

 

[Juxtatarot]

his game from a mediocre stretch 5 to Rudy Gobert with good hands.

I was looking up his stats the other day and was surprised that he basically abandoned his 3-point shooting. He shot decently his first couple seasons with the Knicks and when he signed with the Bulls there was talk about how favorably he looked from an analytics standpoint with his distance shooting and shot blocking. However, he shot terribly with the Bulls even with a lot of wide open looks. I think that was why they soured on him.

Kortnet holds the NCAA career record for most made 3 pointers by a player 7 feet or taller.

That’s vaguely familiar. What the hell happened?

 

[the moops]

his game from a mediocre stretch 5 to Rudy Gobert with good hands.

I was looking up his stats the other day and was surprised that he basically abandoned his 3-point shooting. He shot decently his first couple seasons with the Knicks and when he signed with the Bulls there was talk about how favorably he looked from an analytics standpoint with his distance shooting and shot blocking. However, he shot terribly with the Bulls even with a lot of wide open looks. I think that was why they soured on him.

Kortnet holds the NCAA career record for most made 3 pointers by a player 7 feet or taller.

That’s vaguely familiar. What the hell happened?

He has some shoulder issues. It is still weird though for you see him burying them in practices.
Dude is hilarious too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yxkz7AYA9k

 

[SWC]

i mean it will be interesting to see what happens in the next ny bos game part of me wants to say it was just a dead cat bounce last night but maybe having ball movement is the answer for a team that shoots threes i mean i am not trying to bag on tatum tot but they looked like such a better team last night take that to the bank brohans

Maybe Steve Kerr knew what he was doing afterall......

i know some people here dont like him for off the court reasons but he was a great player and really understood the game and i feel like he could almost see it changing and as a coach i think you can argue that no one has adapted better to and even helped change the game to what it is today take that to the bank brohans

 

[Anarchy99]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

 

[General Malaise]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

And yet, Mark Jackson can't get another HC job.....

Some of you Boston fans are delusional.

 

[General Malaise]

Kerr is one of only four coaches in league annals to win at least four championships within his first eight seasons, along with Phil Jackson, Johnny Kundla and Pat Riley. In celebration of the NBA’s 75thAnniversary season (2021-22), Kerr was named as one of the Top 15 coaches in NBA history. He ranks 29th in regular season wins and has an additional 99 postseason wins to his record (seventh-most in NBA history), boasting the highest postseason win percentage in NBA history (99-41, .707).

 

[General Malaise]

So Steve Kerr gets dinged as a coach for having great players but not Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or {insert your favorite coach here}?

Asinine, some of these Steve Kerr takes. Just absurd.

 

[General Malaise]

I see alias trolls are back. Neat.

 

[msudaisy26]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

 

[msudaisy26]

So Steve Kerr gets dinged as a coach for having great players but not Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or {insert your favorite coach here}?

Asinine, some of these Steve Kerr takes. Just absurd.

Wait until Pacer fans remember that he benched Haliburton at the Olympics too.

 

[Yo Mama]

Kerr was fortunate enough to take over a team that had a great young core in Steph, Klay, and Draymond with some solid role players. Mark Jackson got that group to improve the team's win total by 28 wins before Kerr came to town. And then they had KD fall in their laps. Not sure that required great coaching. All Kerr had to do was stay out of the way. I get it, great teams need great players, but I'm not sure Kerr is some otherworldly head coach. Put another way, I think the Warriors would have been just as good with another coach.

They wouldn't have won that first title with Jackson. The players didn't like him.

Plus Kerr totally changed the style of play for the team that fully unleashed those core players. Jackson was playing an archaic style with that team and as GM mentioned was a reason he isn’t coaching any more (a reason, not the only reason).

 

[Desert_Power]

I see alias trolls are back. Neat.

Maybe one in the stock thread too?

 

[General Malaise]

Kerr's offensive system is a joy to watch. His teams were the authors of Portland's playoff exits a few times and I wasn't even that mad because his team was just so beautiful the way it played on both sides of the ball.