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2024-25 NBA Thread: Game 7!! (55 Viewers)
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whoknew
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BREAKING: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.
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Seems like a big price to pay. But now is the time to make a move in the East, I reckon. Orlando will be good.
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Seems like a big price to pay. But now is the time to make a move in the East, I reckon. Orlando will be good.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I don't ever remember a trade like this happening during the Finals. And this early in the morning! On a Sunday!
identikit
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Got off two crap contracts and now have a Paolo-Franz-Suggs-Bane core. He is exactly the type of player they needed.
identikit
Footballguy
Have always liked Bane's game
Kev4029
Footballguy
100%. I think he is much more of a jack of all trades than somebody that excels in any specific way but that is what they needed - he can also shoot off the dribble and off the catch. Ultimately, they are paying probably an extra 3-4 first round picks (and an extra $10m a year) for Bane over Simons who is a pretty similar level of offensive player but is a bad defender vs a pretty good defender.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Cutting Bronny does nothing for cap space. LeBron would have to take something like a $20-$25m pay cut for the lakers to have the big MLE (~$14m). He’s not doing that for Adams.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Crazy return for Bane. Overpay but he's a great fit in Orlando
That Phoenix pick could be at/near top of draft.
That Phoenix pick could be at/near top of draft.
Capella
Footballguy
The Phoenix pick is the only one that is possible to sting imo. One is 16 this year and the others are when Paolo is in the prime or his career.
the moops
Footballguy
Coke Anthony has 1 year at 13 million. Overpay for sure but not a crap contract. They could have easily moved him into someone exception for a 2nd probably. KCP had a bad year, and that probably is a bad contract.
I like Bane, but this is like the Bridges trade. That is way too much draft capital for someone who is going to be your 4th best player on a contender.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
All the swaps and protections on that 2026 pick traded require a phd to figure out.
"2026 first round draft pick from Phoenix or Washington (Orlando outgoing to Memphis or Charlotte). Washington has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick, protected for selections 9-30, for Phoenix's 2026 1st round pick; Orlando then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the less favorable of the Phoenix pick and the Washington pick if conveyable; Memphis then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the least / less favorable of the Phoenix pick, the Washington pick if conveyable and the Orlando pick and Charlotte will receive the least favorable of these; if the Washington pick is not conveyable, then the obligation to Washington will be extinguished and Orlando will instead have the right to swap its pick for the Phoenix pick (via Phoenix to Charlotte) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Orlando-Phoenix, 7/17/2023; Brooklyn-Memphis-Phoenix, 2/8/2024; Charlotte-Phoenix, 2/6/2025]"
So it seems it’s the least favorable of the Suns and Wizards picks but no idea.
"2026 first round draft pick from Phoenix or Washington (Orlando outgoing to Memphis or Charlotte). Washington has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick, protected for selections 9-30, for Phoenix's 2026 1st round pick; Orlando then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the less favorable of the Phoenix pick and the Washington pick if conveyable; Memphis then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the least / less favorable of the Phoenix pick, the Washington pick if conveyable and the Orlando pick and Charlotte will receive the least favorable of these; if the Washington pick is not conveyable, then the obligation to Washington will be extinguished and Orlando will instead have the right to swap its pick for the Phoenix pick (via Phoenix to Charlotte) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Orlando-Phoenix, 7/17/2023; Brooklyn-Memphis-Phoenix, 2/8/2024; Charlotte-Phoenix, 2/6/2025]"
So it seems it’s the least favorable of the Suns and Wizards picks but no idea.
Capella
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Idk if they could have and when you’re trying to improve the team for this season that 13M is clogging things up.
I guess it’s like Bridges but the Magic still have first in this years draft and others that they didn’t trade today, so they’re fine there. They still have recent firsts in Black, De Silva and Jett (ok he’s not going to pan out).
I truly don’t care about their firsts when Paolo and Franz are in the prime of his career, if it doesn’t work with those guys they’re screwed anyways.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
What are the Grizzlies doing? This isn't a criticism. They got a good return. I just don't get what's next.
the moops
Footballguy
They have the 25th pick in this years draft, and yes, if Paolo and Franz don't work out they are screwed, but one way to unscrew yourself would be to make picks in 28 and 30. Anyway, I don't hate it, it just seems like a real real lot to pay for Desmond Bane. He is a very good player, but damn that is a lot to get thim
Capella
Footballguy
Yea the 25th pick sucks. That’s my point. If Franz and Paolo are what they think that’s where the picks will be in 28 and 30 too.
GOB
Footballguy
Back to back to back 30th picks is gonna hit like crack.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Been saying this but identikit is better at it. Things were already dragging over a month ago and so I went over the entire playoffs and noticed how this 2-month marathon slows to a crawl at the end. It's absurd.
Meanwhile hockey players took a 5 1/2 flight from Florida the other day and were back on ice in 44 hours.
Drives me nuts when this or that much more money supersedes the game, to the very end.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Angling for that sweet Rui/Knecht/2031 1st package for JJJ.
scoobus
Footballguy
I really like the trade for the Magic, Bane is exactly the kind of player they need, and they get off of that awful KCP contract on top of it. Yes it's an overpay, but like Cappy said if their core of Paolo-Franz-Suggs doesn't work out, they're screwed anyways. Now they might be a little more screwed, but who cares, you've got the core in place, now go for it.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
The BIG3 finally tipped off their season, phew, with Miami 305 taking on the LA Riot. I really would love to hear the final say on names, how and why it was decided. Rather watch that.
Dwight Howard got in a fight with Stephenson that ended up in the stands.
Dwight Howard got in a fight with Stephenson that ended up in the stands.
the moops
Footballguy
This whole KCP awful contract is a little overblown. Once the calendar turned 2025, he shot 45% from three on over 170 attempts. His defense is still good. He was awful in the playoffs, but so wasn't the rest of the team. He has 2/43 left on his deal, not a deal you want, but also not crippling.
Capella
Footballguy
His PER was under 10 this year guy was awful. Another player Joker made a fortune for. Him and Anthony’s contract essentially equals Bane’s, I can tell you who I’d rather have.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
They have to pick a lane. I think they are rebuilding or retooling.
whoknew
Footballguy
Just saw this in an article on the Athletic. I forget about the aprons. Could be an issue for the Magic pretty quickly.
At the same time, this is expensive monetarily, too. Bane has roughly $162 million owed to him over the next four seasons. The Magic are well over $100 million in payroll for the next four seasons just from Bane, Wagner and Suggs. Banchero hasn’t even received his extension yet, which will likely be agreed to in the coming months and kick in after the 2025-26 season. With those four under contract, the Magic will have to start worrying about the first- and second-apron thresholds in the collective bargaining agreement.
At the same time, this is expensive monetarily, too. Bane has roughly $162 million owed to him over the next four seasons. The Magic are well over $100 million in payroll for the next four seasons just from Bane, Wagner and Suggs. Banchero hasn’t even received his extension yet, which will likely be agreed to in the coming months and kick in after the 2025-26 season. With those four under contract, the Magic will have to start worrying about the first- and second-apron thresholds in the collective bargaining agreement.
jvdesigns2002
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I like the concept of Orlando going for Bane as I thnk that his skill set on both the offensive and defensive side fits into what the Magic are trying to build. I also think that Tatum most likely missing time, Lillard potentially missing time maybe opens things up for teams in the Eastern conference this upcoming season. Not only is the core of Paolo, Franz, Bane and Suggs good—-I think that Bane is good enough to raise his game should guys like Franz or Suggs get hurt again. I think Bane effectively not only is a solid addition to the team—but I also think that he is a great insurance policy for them—as they can afford an injury to one of their main players and still remain relevant in the Eastern conference. With that said, it feels like they maybe paid an overly steep price for him. I like the player, I like the concept of adding him—-but it just feels like a moderate overpay to me. That’s certainly not the end of the world if they got the guy they really wanted and believe in.
I actually do like Cole Anthony on the Grizzlies with the hole that losing Bane leaves them with. The KCP thing is odd. I think KCP’s perfect role would be to be a 5th or 6th piece on a contending team as a “three and d” guy. I don’t see that being the situation in Memphis. Is Memphis able to turn around and trade KCP away? If so, I think they did very well because that could increase their return. The odd thing about the move is that I can’t tell if this is an indication that they want to blow things up and start over, or if they really believe that the foundation of Ja and JJJ is something good enough to build a championship worthy team around. I personally think that if Bane commanded this much—that Memphis should trade away JJJ and Ja if they can get returns that are proportionally bigger than what they got for Bane.
I actually do like Cole Anthony on the Grizzlies with the hole that losing Bane leaves them with. The KCP thing is odd. I think KCP’s perfect role would be to be a 5th or 6th piece on a contending team as a “three and d” guy. I don’t see that being the situation in Memphis. Is Memphis able to turn around and trade KCP away? If so, I think they did very well because that could increase their return. The odd thing about the move is that I can’t tell if this is an indication that they want to blow things up and start over, or if they really believe that the foundation of Ja and JJJ is something good enough to build a championship worthy team around. I personally think that if Bane commanded this much—that Memphis should trade away JJJ and Ja if they can get returns that are proportionally bigger than what they got for Bane.
Major
Footballguy
When you have the opportunity to overpay for the 3rd best player on a play-in team, you have to take it!
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Jesus dude. We get it.
the moops
Footballguy
I agree obviously if the choice was Bane or KCP/Anthony. Adding all those picks is where the calculus changes. I wish you and Orlando all the best though. I hope it works out, for real.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea we’ll see down the road. My hockey team has traded a bunch of first round picks in the last 8 years and it resulted in 2 cups and 3 finals. I just don’t care about late firsts if you have what you think is a good team unless it’s the nfl.
cheese
Footballguy
The great Caitlin Cooper pointed out a few stats about this.
SGA was used as the screener once in 3.75 games in this series and used as the screener 7 times in the 4th qtr of game 4. The Pacers were unprepared and just let Nesmith switch onto him. Nesmith is a good, maybe great, on ball defender but he fouls a LOT. 2nd highest foul rate guarding the ball in the postseason. Foul prone defender, foul prone ballhandler, officiating crew that is obsessed with blowing whistles, bad result. It was a good solve that possibly won them the game. Pacers are desperate for Carlisle to fix it for game 5.
JW as the primary ballhandler was also surprisingly effective. Part of that was the Pacers foul trouble. Part of it was JW played awesome. They really need Nesmith to physically bully in the same way Dort is doing. He did less of that when he got in foul trouble for obvious reasons. As a Pacers fan, I am dying for some calls on Dort at the point of attack screen game, but maybe he's just better at fouling without getting called than Nesmith is. I think there is some skill to that.
Moe.
Footballguy
SGA sets screens so rarely my eyes had trouble processing it in game 4. I don't think it's some game-changer of a strategy though, Carlisle will figure something out. Hopefully the Thunder have another wrinkle for tonight so the offense doesn't stagnate. I'll be watching on a plane - hopefully the wifi is decent.
The salary restrictions they are now going to have and the lack of any tradeable assets to make future moves now are going to hurt a lot more than any particular pick they gave up IMO. Maybe it will be worth it like the Gobert deal was for Minnesota.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Been in Orlando since Wednesday. The NBA schedule finally worked for my viewing purposes. I would also like a thank you from Magic fans for bringing Desmond Bane with me.
GOB
Footballguy
They don't hang banners for cap flexibility.
You have arguably two top 25 players in the league. It's time to go for it and by golly they are going for it.
Capella
Footballguy
Capella
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What future moves? The core is all under 26. If this doesn’t work out you’re just blowing it up and starting over anyways. This was the move. This is it.
And if it doesn’t work out Franz, Suggs and Bane are all tradeable assets.
mr. furley
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