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[Anarchy99]

Now go back and do 1992

USA - 6560
Germany - 771
Croatia - 220
Lithuania - 197
CIS - 149
Australia - 66
Venezuela - 43
Puerto Rico - 28
Brazil - 13
Angola - 0
China - 0
Spain - 0

The one thing I would question is whether a player for international competitions would be better off getting full time star starter minutes playing in a foreign country vs. role player or end of the bench minutes in the NBA. There's no question teams scout the globe now compared to 30+ years ago. But I think it sort of works both ways . . . current NBA players should have more experience playing against international players, which in theory, should help them when playing against international teams. But, to your overall point, there weren't many international players in the NBA in 1992.

 

[Anarchy99]

Team Canada has a few more NBA starters than most, but other than SGA, IIRC, the only other NBA All Star was Wiggins (one selection).

Olynyk got many all-star snubs and should be worth mentioning.

"Many"? His best season he averaged 13.5 ppg. That was the season he started with MIA (when he was averaging 10 ppg) and then got traded to HOU. Not sure a guy that has averaged 10 ppg over his career was really snubbed at any point.

 

[Yo Mama]

With the new Hauser extension, the Celtics are slated to pay over $100M more luxury tax than salary in 2025-2026 - for a total of over $580M ($239M salary and $341M tax). This with likely new ownership.

Suns are also projected to have a higher tax bill than salaries that year.

 

[the moops]

With the new Hauser extension, the Celtics are slated to pay over $100M more luxury tax than salary in 2025-2026 - for a total of over $580M ($239M salary and $341M tax). This with likely new ownership.

Compare this to what Denver has done after winning a title. Shameful

 

[Long Ball Larry]

With the new Hauser extension, the Celtics are slated to pay over $100M more luxury tax than salary in 2025-2026 - for a total of over $580M ($239M salary and $341M tax). This with likely new ownership.

Suns are also projected to have a higher tax bill than salaries that year.

I don’t think that the new owner will be in place then, at least definitely not fully. I think they will also have to move one of those guys before the 25-26 season. Surely they will be way into the tax though

 

[Chris B.]

Anyone else enjoying watching South Sudan whooping the U.S. team?

I’m just enjoying a really good game in the middle of July without having some weird self-made agenda attached to it.

Rooting of the underdog is a 'weird self-made agenda"? Not sure why my question struck such a nerve.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The players on the U.S. team are all very ball dominant and tend to have very much of diminishing returns when all put together. They probably could play in a more complementary way if they really tried, but I don’t it’s so easy when you’ve spent decades honing a high usage game.

The latest thinking basketball pod was about the best 3 and d players of the pace and space era (including a little bit from before that) and they alluded to the fact that these guys are so valuable because once you have a ball dominant top 10 player, having other ball dominant guys does let help that much

 

[Anarchy99]

With the new Hauser extension, the Celtics are slated to pay over $100M more luxury tax than salary in 2025-2026 - for a total of over $580M ($239M salary and $341M tax). This with likely new ownership.

Compare this to what Denver has done after winning a title. Shameful

To be fair, not every owner will write a blank check to keep a team together and potentially lose millions of dollars each year. It remains to be seen how the Celtics spending like drunken sailors will impact the sale of the team. Just because they have the entire team locked up doesn't mean they will be able to keep them all together. We will have to see how things shake out. They may be able to jack prices up across the board (tickets, parking, concessions, sponsors, local TV rights, commercials, other advertising, partnerships, merchandising, apparel, etc.). If fans are content to roll out a championship level team and pay $25 a beer and $500 a ticket, whoever owns the team may say it's no big deal and keep writing the checks.

 

[Tau837]

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Hello tau, bronny’s doing pretty good, huh?

 

[Tau837]

Hello tau, bronny’s doing pretty good, huh?

Do you have me confused with someone else? I believe I have made one post about Bronny in this forum, and it was a hypothetical draft question.

 

[scoobus]

I didn’t watch. Were they just making a lot of 3s and we did too much iso and couldn’t hit jumpers?

Lots of live ball turnovers. Missed a ton of shots. 7 of 28 on 3PA (Sudan 10 of 31). Sudan made a ton of shots in the first half (but fell off in the second half). Sudan just played harder most of the game and got a lot of loose balls and rebounds.

South Sudan shot 14-33 from 3.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Hello tau, bronny’s doing pretty good, huh?

Do you have me confused with someone else? I believe I have made one post about Bronny in this forum, and it was a hypothetical draft question.

I do not. I honestly didn’t remember you posting before (there are like 15-20 consistent posters in these threads) and was hoping to spark some hot takes…welcome (back)

 

[scoobus]

Seems like the prevailing thought for some posters here is not playing in the NBA=you suck, which just isn't true, even moreso with regards to the FIBA game.

Capella is right, the "we should be beating everyone by 50" crowd needs to go put on the 1992 tapes because that's never happening again, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Frostillicus]

Anyone else enjoying watching South Sudan whooping the U.S. team?

I’m just enjoying a really good game in the middle of July without having some weird self-made agenda attached to it.

Rooting of the underdog is a 'weird self-made agenda"? Not sure why my question struck such a nerve.

Not to speak for Crapella, but I don't think he was referring to you.

 

[the moops]

The players on the U.S. team are all very ball dominant

I wouldn’t consider White, Holiday, AD, Bam to be ball dominant. Kerr just need to figure out how to sprinkle those guys in with the ball dominant wings. And Embiid should be on the bench.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

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Seems like the prevailing thought for some posters here is not playing in the NBA=you suck, which just isn't true, even moreso with regards to the FIBA game.

Capella is right, the "we should be beating everyone by 50" crowd needs to go put on the 1992 tapes because that's never happening again, for a variety of reasons.

well Elijah Hughes isn’t in the nba and he sucks, so…

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The players on the U.S. team are all very ball dominant

I wouldn’t consider White, Holiday, AD, Bam to be ball dominant. Kerr just need to figure out how to sprinkle those guys in with the ball dominant wings. And Embiid should be on the bench.

Ok, the players who are getting the most minutes is what I meant, not all

 

[Instinctive]

Seems like the prevailing thought for some posters here is not playing in the NBA=you suck, which just isn't true, even moreso with regards to the FIBA game.

Capella is right, the "we should be beating everyone by 50" crowd needs to go put on the 1992 tapes because that's never happening again, for a variety of reasons.

FWIW I do agree that we should still be beating nearly everyone by 20+. When we get to the top international teams, like Gasol brothers Spain, it should be close.

The talent gap is big enough that the main complaint I have is coaching. I've seen enough guys work together well enough, even later in careers, to know they can adjust to international play with great coaching. We shouldn't just be taking NBA coaches, we should have someone like JVG (not necessarily him) - a retired and well respected NBA guy who gets to know the FIBA game really well and how to communicate and practice the changes.

 

[scoobus]

l

Seems like the prevailing thought for some posters here is not playing in the NBA=you suck, which just isn't true, even moreso with regards to the FIBA game.

Capella is right, the "we should be beating everyone by 50" crowd needs to go put on the 1992 tapes because that's never happening again, for a variety of reasons.

well Elijah Hughes isn’t in the nba and he sucks, so…

Oh, you mean former NBA draft pick and multi-season contributor Elijah Hughes???

 

[scoobus]

Seems like the prevailing thought for some posters here is not playing in the NBA=you suck, which just isn't true, even moreso with regards to the FIBA game.

Capella is right, the "we should be beating everyone by 50" crowd needs to go put on the 1992 tapes because that's never happening again, for a variety of reasons.

FWIW I do agree that we should still be beating nearly everyone by 20+. When we get to the top international teams, like Gasol brothers Spain, it should be close.

The talent gap is big enough that the main complaint I have is coaching. I've seen enough guys work together well enough, even later in careers, to know they can adjust to international play with great coaching. We shouldn't just be taking NBA coaches, we should have someone like JVG (not necessarily him) - a retired and well respected NBA guy who gets to know the FIBA game really well and how to communicate and practice the changes.

Obviously we played horribly against South Sudan, I don't think anyone is arguing that result. But we also just beat Serbia by 26. And these our all exhibitions anyways, save the real griping for when we're struggling with Puerto Rico midway through the 3rd quarter as Kerr leaves Embiid in to hobble around the court.

Kerr has been pretty miserable IMO. Another reason we shouldn't take NBA coaches is because there's an inherit bias (not sure that's the exact right word) where they don't wanna piss anyone off because they might end up wanting to recruit them to their own team one day. Gimme an ex-coach who understands the international game like you said or even a top college coach a la Coach K.

 

[Deamon]

Team Canada has a few more NBA starters than most, but other than SGA, IIRC, the only other NBA All Star was Wiggins (one selection).

Olynyk got many all-star snubs and should be worth mentioning.

"Many"? His best season he averaged 13.5 ppg. That was the season he started with MIA (when he was averaging 10 ppg) and then got traded to HOU. Not sure a guy that has averaged 10 ppg over his career was really snubbed at any point.

reported.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Seems like the prevailing thought for some posters here is not playing in the NBA=you suck, which just isn't true, even moreso with regards to the FIBA game.

Capella is right, the "we should be beating everyone by 50" crowd needs to go put on the 1992 tapes because that's never happening again, for a variety of reasons.

FWIW I do agree that we should still be beating nearly everyone by 20+. When we get to the top international teams, like Gasol brothers Spain, it should be close.

The talent gap is big enough that the main complaint I have is coaching. I've seen enough guys work together well enough, even later in careers, to know they can adjust to international play with great coaching. We shouldn't just be taking NBA coaches, we should have someone like JVG (not necessarily him) - a retired and well respected NBA guy who gets to know the FIBA game really well and how to communicate and practice the changes.

Obviously we played horribly against South Sudan, I don't think anyone is arguing that result. But we also just beat Serbia by 26. And these our all exhibitions anyways, save the real griping for when we're struggling with Puerto Rico midway through the 3rd quarter as Kerr leaves Embiid in to hobble around the court.

Kerr has been pretty miserable IMO. Another reason we shouldn't take NBA coaches is because there's an inherit bias (not sure that's the exact right word) where they don't wanna piss anyone off because they might end up wanting to recruit them to their own team one day. Gimme an ex-coach who understands the international game like you said or even a top college coach a la Coach K.

Gregg berhalter is available

 

[Moe.]

Gotta go big and go for Southgate

 

[Tau837]

We shouldn't just be taking NBA coaches, we should have someone like JVG (not necessarily him) - a retired and well respected NBA guy who gets to know the FIBA game really well and how to communicate and practice the changes.

I like this idea quite a bit, and I think JVG would actually be an excellent candidate.

 

[Instinctive]

We shouldn't just be taking NBA coaches, we should have someone like JVG (not necessarily him) - a retired and well respected NBA guy who gets to know the FIBA game really well and how to communicate and practice the changes.

I like this idea quite a bit, and I think JVG would actually be an excellent candidate.

Does he still coach the select team? Thats why I used him as the example. He was coaching the select team.

 

[msudaisy26]

I find it mildly satisfying that Embiid is going to be the Darko of this team.

 

[Jayrod]

I find it mildly satisfying that Embiid is going to be the Darko of this team.

I'm actually fairly surprised.

There have been times during NBA games these past few seasons where I thought he was the most unstoppable player in the world.

 

[SayWhat?]

Embiid doesn’t appear to have a physique that is going to age well. He seems like one of those guys that when it starts to fall apart, it’s going to be a cliff. Based upon his appearance right now in these Team USA games, I’d be incredibly nervous if I were a Sixers fan. He should be getting less than 10 minutes per game right now.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Embiid doesn’t appear to have a physique that is going to age well. He seems like one of those guys that when it starts to fall apart, it’s going to be a cliff. Based upon his appearance right now in these Team USA games, I’d be incredibly nervous if I were a Sixers fan. He should be getting less than 10 minutes per game right now.

He should be resting this summer really. He probably is not fully healthy and his game may just not translate to FIBA as easy.

 

[the moops]

I am always amazed at how often he is on the floor, flopping for a call. I am sure it has happened, but I can't think of an instance of Jokic actually being on the floor.

 

[Yo Mama]

Dinwiddie signs with the Mavs for one year. Nice cheap pickup for them.

 

[the moops]

Dinwiddie signs with the Mavs for one year. Nice cheap pickup for them.

They got a sick deep team this year. They can go 12 deep with competent play

Kyrie, Luka, Klay, PJ, Lively

Dinwiddie, Naji, Exum, Kleber, Gafford, Grimes, Hardy

 

[msudaisy26]

I find it mildly satisfying that Embiid is going to be the Darko of this team.

I'm actually fairly surprised.

There have been times during NBA games these past few seasons where I thought he was the most unstoppable player in the world.

People thought that about James Harden for a hot minute as well.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Embiid doesn’t appear to have a physique that is going to age well. He seems like one of those guys that when it starts to fall apart, it’s going to be a cliff. Based upon his appearance right now in these Team USA games, I’d be incredibly nervous if I were a Sixers fan. He should be getting less than 10 minutes per game right now.

I went to the Sixers-Nuggets game in Philly this past season. Long story short, via work connections, I got to be down on the court pre-game. Was standing 3 feet away when Embid walked onto the floor. And damn…..he was walking like an 80 year-old man. It was terrifying. I turned to the client hosting my firm and said “it’s tough to imagine this guy lasting much longer.”

Of course, then he went out and looked like the best player in the NBA that night.

 

[Deamon]

Who do you guys think would win in a USA vs rest-of-world all-star team? Seems the only advantage other countries have is them playing together/team chemistry, which they would of course lose if you threw together an all star team.

 

[thecatch]

Sasha Vezenkov agreed to waive his entire guaranteed salary for next year so he could go back to Europe. I’m baffled why the Kings had to send an asset to dump him and Davion on the raptors.

 

[Capella]

Who do you guys think would win in a USA vs rest-of-world all-star team? Seems the only advantage other countries have is them playing together/team chemistry, which they would of course lose if you threw together an all star team.

A world team with Joker, Giannis, Luka and surrounded by shooters (including SGA) would probably be unbeatable.

 

[zoobird]

Who do you guys think would win in a USA vs rest-of-world all-star team? Seems the only advantage other countries have is them playing together/team chemistry, which they would of course lose if you threw together an all star team.

Assuming that you're talking about all other countries, not just the countries and players in the Olympics...the rest of the world arguably has a better starting lineup. Once you take the benches into account, I'd give the US an edge, but still would be a good game that I'd only expect us to win about 60% of the time.

 

[the moops]

Who do you guys think would win in a USA vs rest-of-world all-star team? Seems the only advantage other countries have is them playing together/team chemistry, which they would of course lose if you threw together an all star team.

A world team with Joker, Giannis, Luka and surrounded by shooters (including SGA) would probably be unbeatable.

And Wemby bro. You are forgetting about Wemby

 

[the moops]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

 

[Yo Mama]

We might still get NBA on TNT in the new TV deal. TNT is exercising its matching rights for the recent NBA/Amazon deal. Should be an interesting legal battle.

 

[Yo Mama]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

Luka?

 

[Deamon]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

Luka?

I think he was leaving out Slovenia as they didn't make the olympics this year.

 

[Capella]

Who do you guys think would win in a USA vs rest-of-world all-star team? Seems the only advantage other countries have is them playing together/team chemistry, which they would of course lose if you threw together an all star team.

A world team with Joker, Giannis, Luka and surrounded by shooters (including SGA) would probably be unbeatable.

And Wemby bro. You are forgetting about Wemby

I did. Geez what a lineup they’d run out.

 

[Deamon]

Who do you guys think would win in a USA vs rest-of-world all-star team? Seems the only advantage other countries have is them playing together/team chemistry, which they would of course lose if you threw together an all star team.

Assuming that you're talking about all other countries, not just the countries and players in the Olympics...the rest of the world arguably has a better starting lineup. Once you take the benches into account, I'd give the US an edge, but still would be a good game that I'd only expect us to win about 60% of the time.

Ya the US bench would be better for sure, but the starters prob goes to the 'rest of world'.

BUT... not sure how these international players would gel together vs how the USA team would gel together as they all play similar styles of basketball. But I guess they're all nba guys anyways so wouldn't matter much.

Feel like that would actually be a pretty solid game

 

[Jayrod]

SGA-Doncic-Giannis-Wemby-Jokic

vs

Curry-Jrue-Tatum-LeBron-AD

Team USA would look small.

 

[Moe.]

Yeah we would get absolutely smoked by that team

 

[Capella]

Another good US game.

 

[Moe.]

We should get Canada on our side though