Desert_Power
Footballguy
Some people think there are too many bowl games. Those people are wrong.
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2024 College Football Thread: Ohio State advances to play unbeaten hypothetical SEC team (3 Viewers)
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Good play design there.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Seemed like a similar look to what they showed prior to the TO in the 5th OT. Interesting they didn't back out of it.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Get on the plane before they lock the doors?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Maybe he had to poop
Osaurus
Footballguy
Spirit Airlines charter?
GregR
Footballguy
By the very definitions of the words themselves, anyone who says the "best" teams should get in, is saying that teams should make the playoff who don't deserve to.
Which seems a hard pill to swallow.
General Malaise
Footballguy
When does OU press the panic button? This has gone about as bad as they could have ever imagined, right? Especially with Texas doing so well.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Are they not getting the quality of recruit they used to, or is the problem more organizational?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Surprised Venables lasted but they did show improvement after firing the OC.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
GT-Vandy is a matchup that just feels like it should be a rivalry.
Instinctive
Footballguy
None of the people I talk to, most of whom are pretty closely interested and well versed fans (some, like me, worked in college sports including football), are particularly concerned. The team was incredibly injured. Like over three quarters of man-games lost to injury from the projected offensive starters.
Defense played great much of the season.
Littrell was an awful hire from day one and people were pissed. He got fired, now people are fine. I'm not really sure what outside viewers think would be done much better this year aside from the OC. Recruit twice as many SEC-starting-caliber offensive linemen and receivers? Ask the other teams if they've been able to do that.
I think if next season goes poorly, with Arbuckle and Mateer, THEN there's a real conversation. But so far recruiting has been excellent, defense has been excellent, and the offense was bad mostly due to injury.
Losing a scrimmage with a bunch of second and third stringers to Navy, mostly at full strength, is fine.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Spoken like you've been part of the SEC for years!
Capella
Footballguy
Lmao. College football mindset is incredible.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
We got hockey
Instinctive
Footballguy
They engendered it. We literally lost 25 first and second string players who didn't play today. It's not the team that played all year with all the portal losses. It's not the team that will play next year with all the portal additions.
What else is it? It was 30 minutes from my house and a cheap ticket and we still didn't go LMAO indeed. The non CFP bowls are a garbage product.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Pavia is such a fun player.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Is there any reason to actually resume and finish this game?
Other than claiming that bell, I suppose.
Other than claiming that bell, I suppose.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
No. It's pointless to sit in the locker room and go back out there two hours from now to play this thing out.
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
Old news now that he won the suit - or at least got the injunction for next season, and NCAA then granted the exception to all similarly situated athletes whose eligibility otherwise would have expired this season.
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Portal chao is wild.
Instinctive
Footballguy
They have to fix it. If you're just gonna pay everyone, and be professional, and then you need to be professional about how you run your league. The transfer system as is, is bonkers.
bigbottom
Footballguy
At a minimum, they need to have the portal open after bowl season rather than before. Sure the players will miss the first couple weeks of class, but perhaps it’s time quit pretending that education is a priority for transferring players.
Jayded
Footballguy
I think there's an easy solution : You only have one transfer period and it's during the summer. Yes, you miss spring ball with your new team and have to catch up like an incoming freshman who didn't graduate early. Then it's after the season, doesn't interfere with classes and registrations, and worst thing for the transferee is he's a little behind non-transfers in missing spring practice.
Let the fall be about football and incoming freshmen. Let the spring/summer be about transfers. They can sign whenever if they still want some early signing period, but they can't do anything official for the new school until they are registered students in the summer.
Jayded
Footballguy
I never answered my own question earlier about how the playoffs should work. I think this year, and most years, show us that really anywhere from 1-6 teams really truly should have a shot. The fact that they are already at 12 means it's unlikely they would downgrade, but 10 would have probably been perfect with only the SEC and Big Ten guaranteed byes.
That said, it should be a combination as it is. I think the best teams are usually the 1-6 noted above that most can point to. Then there are the conference champions along with a G5 champion which is good like March Madness is good so Cinderella at least gets a seat. Then those final few spots go to the deserving teams, which many most years will flame out early. But we might see a run like a 14-16 team can do in March Madness some year.
If we look at the above instead as the way they've done it instead of the "Best 12 teams", it's a lot easier to see what the committee did and why I still think those were good calls. If we only went with the subjective best, I think we'd end up more with what MLB is turning into where we know payroll has a huge way of pointing to a few teams who'll be there in the end vs. March Madness where a few teams truly look to have a shot, but sometimes fun happens because others having their year were given a shot to create chaos.
That said, it should be a combination as it is. I think the best teams are usually the 1-6 noted above that most can point to. Then there are the conference champions along with a G5 champion which is good like March Madness is good so Cinderella at least gets a seat. Then those final few spots go to the deserving teams, which many most years will flame out early. But we might see a run like a 14-16 team can do in March Madness some year.
If we look at the above instead as the way they've done it instead of the "Best 12 teams", it's a lot easier to see what the committee did and why I still think those were good calls. If we only went with the subjective best, I think we'd end up more with what MLB is turning into where we know payroll has a huge way of pointing to a few teams who'll be there in the end vs. March Madness where a few teams truly look to have a shot, but sometimes fun happens because others having their year were given a shot to create chaos.
SWC
Bromigo
i wonder if they dont have enough big boosters to make huge nil payouts seems like that is driving college football right now take that to the bank bromigos
SWC
Bromigo
id like to see a salary cap and id possibly be open to creating more tiers in d1 college football to separate the power conferences with bocu dollars to pay kids and the mid majors and just have different championships for each tier like they do now with d1a, d2 and d3 it would make it more interesting than watching the texases of the world and thier bought and paid for team destroying louisana monroe i mean come on take that to the bank brochachos
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
At this point with free transfers what incentive do these kids even have to attend classes. I ask this seriously - are there even ramifications for not attending classes anymore?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Pop Tarts Bowl Today!!!!
One of my best friends is very close to several coaches and his feeling is it's untenable. Something has to change there I think.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I'm not sure this would hold up under a legal challenge. If non-athletes can transfer after the fall semester, I don't think they can prevent athletes from doing the same. I also think its going to be hard for the NCAA to make rules that apply only to football but not across the board. The main problem seems to be the NCAA and their member universities clinging to the mythical amateur student-athlete framework in the context of what largely looks like a professional sports league.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think there is still value in attending classes and getting a degree for the great majority of D1 scholarship athletes, but its a good question - what are the ramifications for not attending classes? If each football team has 85 scholarships, that means there are over 10,000 college football players on scholarship each year. A very small percentage of those players have any realistic shot at playing in the NFL - maybe 5% or less just based on about 500 kids being drafted or signed to an NFL team each summer (most of whom won't last long and won't earn much.) For that 3-5%, it is likely true they have no incentive whatsoever to attend classes or get a college degree other than the NCAA's eligibility rules which are slowly crumbling and will soon be completely unenforceable.
There is a growing number of players in a middle group who can probably earn decent NIL money but who will never play professional football. As an example, the UNLV quarterback Matt Sluka transferred from an FCS school and was supposedly promised $100,000 to play football at UNLV. He left when the deal fell through and is still in the portal. Another from the basketball world is AJ Storr who is earning between $750k and $1m to play about 20 minutes per game for Kansas, his third school in three years. Why would they not play college sports as long as possible with that annual salary and essentially no living expenses? I think the 10th year senior is going to be a regular thing in our near future and the only question for these guys will be whether they have to actually attend and pass classes in order to play sports. My guess is those rules won't hold up long. The 4 year eligibility rules of our youth are already a thing of the past.
Then there is the great majority of D1 college football players who likely can't earn significant NIL and are truly just playing for the scholarship and the fun of playing college football. As a purely speculative guess, I would think this category is probably 70-80% of all D1 football players. For these guys, its not so much about what they have to do under the rules but that they are strongly incented to maintain their scholarships and get that degree. There is still tremendous value for these kids to get four years of tuition, room/board and all the other perks.
Jayded
Footballguy
I think if they base the rule on eligibility, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to hold up. Denote the spring practice as belonging to 2024 season and note 2025 eligibility begins afterwards or in the summer. It just seems like the easiest thing to do without creating even more chaos in an already chaotic situation.
If they can just find a way to say if you transfer now, your eligibility at your new school starts after spring semester, then that works. If a school allows them to take classes before then, fine, but they cannot participate in football activities until the following season begins and it works to encourage the transferring to happen after the current season and/or after the Feb high school signing period with an eye towards a summer or fall start at the new school.
Osaurus
Footballguy
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hagmania
Footballguy
The sprinkles on the sideline are amazing
Osaurus
Footballguy
I like the foil wrap around the goal post base. Nice touch
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Good to know for when my VT team loses to MIN. I'll just forgive them becasue the QB was injured for some games, we were down some OL, and 18 kids went to the transfer portal. And we also canned our OC. So now it's all good.
NOT. They went to the transfer portal for a reason. We don't have depth for a reason. It may not be the coach's fault, but it is the program's. Ability to adapt to NIL and the portal to have depth and keep players is part of today's game. Not just for the coach, but for the AD and the consortiums.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Sure. For the season. The non CFP bowls games are basically a joke. The conference doesn't care. The school doesn't care. The NCAA doesn't care. Why should I care?
Good to know for when my VT team loses to MIN. I'll just forgive them becasue the QB was injured for some games, we were down some OL, and 18 kids went to the transfer portal. And we also canned our OC. So now it's all good.
NOT. They went to the transfer portal for a reason. We don't have depth for a reason. It may not be the coach's fault, but it is the program's. Ability to adapt to NIL and the portal to have depth and keep players is part of today's game. Not just for the coach, but for the AD and the consortiums.
Everyone is playing by different rules. It's totally random. Teams renege on their NIL sometimes. Players don't play sometimes.
I'm allowed to recognize that a team was devastatingly injured when I think about how the season went and what is likely to happen going forward. You're welcome to disagree. Maybe OU sucked this year because Venables is terrible we don't have any NIL money, the training staff has gone downhill and nobody will ever want to play there again. Pack it up and go home, OU sucks now. Talk about myopic.
belljr
Footballguy
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
The Okie homer is funny. Navy game doesn't count as a loss, basically.
Are we also not going to count trick plays or maybe just eliminate results in Arizona altogether? Whatever works.
Are we also not going to count trick plays or maybe just eliminate results in Arizona altogether? Whatever works.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Watching the NFL but might sneak it to the important game soon.
