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Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
 

Vic Tafur's piece on Maxx Crosby:

Maxx Crosby will find out Thursday if he is the NFL Defensive Player of the Year, but the Las Vegas Raiders’ All-Pro pass rusher deserves a medal for playing through a painful knee injury for 16 games.

Crosby injured his knee in Week 2 and said the bursa, the small fluid-filled sac that reduces friction between moving parts in the joints, was destroyed. It got worse every week because he kept landing on it. He then injured his thumb in October.

But the reason I wanted to talk to Crosby before Super Bowl week in Las Vegas was because — as big an impact as he made on the field — I thought he made an even bigger difference in the locker room last season.


From talking up Malcolm Koonce in September — and getting strange looks from me because Koonce wasn’t making a lot of plays then — to dealing with the fallout from Chandler Jones’ departure to the firing of coach Josh McDaniels, Crosby kept an eye on his teammates and knew when a pat on the back or a kick in the butt was needed.

“Every day as a leader is challenging, to be honest,” Crosby said in a Zoom conversation on Thursday. “I have been a captain for three years, and every day it’s a battle. But it’s exactly what I want to be doing.”

Crosby was in the team facility like always when we talked and was in good spirits after a couple of recent hospital visits. He started his knee rehabilitation two weeks ago after surgery and now has a fresh cast on his right hand after he had a torn ligament in his thumb repaired. Good luck to the doctors and trainers who tell him not to push it in his recovery, just like the Raiders couldn’t keep him off the field last season despite being hospitalized with an infection in his knee.

He is also very happy that Antonio Pierce was named head coach after going 5-4 in the interim role last season, and that Patrick Graham is back as defensive coordinator. There were headlines when Crosby politely inferred that he might seek a trade if Pierce was not retained, but he knew owner Mark Davis was leaning very hard in that direction and who really gets hurt if a few more fans checked out Crosby’s podcast that week?
 
Crosby wants his voice to be heard, and he’s earned that in his five years with the team. That’s come not just from him setting an example of getting to the facility before the sun is up and going full speed at practice, but his effort in getting to know his new teammates every year.


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Raiders' Maxx Crosby is 'relentless,' and he's not planning on stopping anytime soon

“You have to spend time with your guys and learn who they are and who their families are,” Crosby said.

That helps build bridges. Which are needed with all of the troubled waters that seem to rock the Raiders every year.

“You know all the crazy stuff that is going down over here,” Crosby said. “Sadly, it’s not new to me so … I am just keeping guys in the boat. Keeping guys in the boat no matter what’s going on — that’s just life in general, there’s going to be different circumstances, things are going to be hard.”


Crosby said his own struggles and triumphs in life with alcohol addiction have helped him be a better leader.

“I can push that on to my guys,” Crosby said. “I am like, ‘Listen, it could be worse. There is somebody going through worse than us. We’re blessed and at the end of the day, there is work to be done and you have to keep showing up every day.’”

Crosby was very close to Jones, and there is no way he could have been prepared for his departure from the team Labor Day weekend. That was followed by strange social media posts from Jones targeting Davis, McDaniels and others, his arrest for violating a protective order and then his release from the team. Two months later, the team fired McDaniels and general manager Dave Ziegler 21 months after their hiring.

“When McDaniels got fired … and obviously, sadly, the whole Chandler situation … Chandler is like a brother to me so I pray for that dude to this day and I still stay in contact with him,” Crosby said. “Things like that happen. It happened with Antonio Brown. It happened with Vontaze Burfict getting suspended the whole year. There’s all types of stuff, but that’s a part of this business.”

One of the big reasons the Raiders were able to overcome the loss of Jones was the emergence of Koonce. A third-round pick in 2021, Koonce had two sacks in his first 30 games before getting eight in the final nine games last season. And Crosby was telling Koonce and everybody else that it was coming back in September.
 
“I could tell because he was doing it every day in practice,” Crosby said. “A lot of people in the outside world weigh the sacks and stuff like that, which I understand, but when you’re a young rusher, sacks come in bunches. I went through it. Every rusher has. You may be rushing great, but you’re not getting home for some reason. But you can’t stop.


“The average guys will let that affect them. The great ones don’t get discouraged and keep putting in the work regardless of the results. You know that your time is coming, and that’s what I love about Malcolm.”

Crosby doesn’t tell all of his younger teammates that they are going to be great. Different players need different leadership styles, so don’t expect Tyree Wilson to necessarily get the same treatment as Koonce.

“You can ask Tyree … I treat him a very certain way,” Crosby said with a chuckle. “I am hard on him. I am hard on the young guys. They need that. Because I didn’t have that when I was young. I had to get it from a coach. I had to reach out to Von Miller and Aaron Donald, and that’s where I was getting my advice from. So I take this very seriously. Whatever button I have to touch, I am going to do that.”

That coach for Crosby was Brentson Buckner, the Raiders’ defensive line coach his rookie season.

“He was super hard on me, literally to the point where he was trying to break us,” Crosby said. “He pushed me every single day, but that wasn’t something that I wasn’t used to. My dad was my coach when I was little and he was hard as hell on me. … He was loud and demanded for me to work hard, and I appreciate it.”

Rod Marinelli replaced Buckner the next season, and he was no picnic either.

“For a year and a half, I literally thought that he hated me,” Crosby said. “I told him I wanted to be great so he pushed me and coached me like I was Warren Sapp and Julius Peppers. I didn’t get it at the time but I never broke. I never broke no matter what.”

There might have been a small crack or two and he said he’d often come home and vent to his then-fiancee, now-wife Rachel.

“But now I can be a real leader thanks to all these great coaches who pushed me,” Crosby said. “I would never ask my teammates to do something I wouldn’t. They see me running with the defensive backs. They see me putting in the work and that’s important.


“I am trying to make them great.”

Crosby played every snap in an unheard-of 10 games, and the defense was great after Pierce was hired as the interim coach in Week 9. The Raiders allowed just 16 points per game after Pierce took over — the best mark in the NFL. They were also tied for third in sacks (30) and tied for fifth in turnover margin (plus-6).

What clicked? Players playing more loose after McDaniels left? Did Pierce free up Graham to try more things?

“I think it’s a mixture of all that,” Crosby said. “Being able to just be yourself … the anxiety and all of that was gone. Pat is a great coach and is very intelligent and knows the game in and out. AP tells him all the time, ‘Call that s—. If you believe in it, call that s—.’

“We already know what to do, this is what the call is going to be, and we’re flying. And the coach has got to have that same mentality, to go out there and trust your guys. And that gives players confidence. I feel like AP brought that and there was a complete energy shift.”
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
 
The Raiders are hiring former #Panthers and 49ers RB DeShaun Foster as their RBs coach, sources say. So while Vegas didn’t hire UCLA’s Chip Kelly as OC, the team is nabbing one of his Bruins assistants. Foster’s been at UCLA all but one year since 2012. Now an NFL coach.
Foster has been coaching running backs at UCLA — where he played his college ball — since 2017. But the year before, he worked under new Raiders offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury as the running backs coach at Texas Tech.


Raiders are also expected to hire Andre Carter as a pass-rushing specialist coach.
Carter served as the Dolphins assistant defensive line coach from 2017-2018 and was the Jets defensive line coach from 2019-2020. He also served as LSU’s defensive line coach in 2021.
The No. 7 overall pick of the 2001 draft, Carter played in 184 games with 147 starts, recording 80.5 sacks. He played 12 games for the Raiders in 2012, recording 19 tackles, five tackles for loss, seven QB hits, and 2.5 sacks.
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
Fields is liked by the fantasy community more than the NFL because of his running ability. I‘m not convinced he will be a good “NFL” QB, so I don’t think the Raiders should trade for him.
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
The whole QB room will be overhauled with the exception of O’Connell. Both JimmyG and Hoyer will be gone. That leaves AOC and probably Garbers (camp arm). Consensus in the room is AOC is liked and has promise, but he has his limitations which have been discussed previously so no need to get into it here.
Just because the Raiders like AOC, it doesn’t make him the starter, he needs major competition to actually win the job over someone like Fields,a high draft pick, whoever, he just needs to win it outright instead of having the job handed over because the other guys in the room were so bad.
Also, there’s nothing wrong in this era to have a very strong and battle tested backup QB. AOC may very well end up playing that role for the Raiders. If starting QB Joe Shmo goes down next year for a few weeks I’d be confident in AOC holding down the fort and keeping them in games until the starter comes back.
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
The whole QB room will be overhauled with the exception of O’Connell. Both JimmyG and Hoyer will be gone. That leaves AOC and probably Garbers (camp arm). Consensus in the room is AOC is liked and has promise, but he has his limitations which have been discussed previously so no need to get into it here.
Just because the Raiders like AOC, it doesn’t make him the starter, he needs major competition to actually win the job over someone like Fields,a high draft pick, whoever, he just needs to win it outright instead of having the job handed over because the other guys in the room were so bad.
Also, there’s nothing wrong in this era to have a very strong and battle tested backup QB. AOC may very well end up playing that role for the Raiders. If starting QB Joe Shmo goes down next year for a few weeks I’d be confident in AOC holding down the fort and keeping them in games until the starter comes back.
You said AOC 5 times. I need a nap.
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
Fields is liked by the fantasy community more than the NFL because of his running ability. I‘m not convinced he will be a good “NFL” QB, so I don’t think the Raiders should trade for him.
So if you don’t like fields, who will be cheap, who do you think would be a good fit? IMHO mortgaging the future is not the answer
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
Fields is liked by the fantasy community more than the NFL because of his running ability. I‘m not convinced he will be a good “NFL” QB, so I don’t think the Raiders should trade for him.
I suppose it all depends on cost and the teams' evaluation of the 2nd tier of QB prospects: Penix, Nix and JJ.
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
The whole QB room will be overhauled with the exception of O’Connell. Both JimmyG and Hoyer will be gone. That leaves AOC and probably Garbers (camp arm). Consensus in the room is AOC is liked and has promise, but he has his limitations which have been discussed previously so no need to get into it here.
Just because the Raiders like AOC, it doesn’t make him the starter, he needs major competition to actually win the job over someone like Fields,a high draft pick, whoever, he just needs to win it outright instead of having the job handed over because the other guys in the room were so bad.
Also, there’s nothing wrong in this era to have a very strong and battle tested backup QB. AOC may very well end up playing that role for the Raiders. If starting QB Joe Shmo goes down next year for a few weeks I’d be confident in AOC holding down the fort and keeping them in games until the starter comes back.
You said AOC 5 times. I need a nap.
AOC, AOC, AOC, AOC.

get out of here
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
The whole QB room will be overhauled with the exception of O’Connell. Both JimmyG and Hoyer will be gone. That leaves AOC and probably Garbers (camp arm). Consensus in the room is AOC is liked and has promise, but he has his limitations which have been discussed previously so no need to get into it here.
Just because the Raiders like AOC, it doesn’t make him the starter, he needs major competition to actually win the job over someone like Fields,a high draft pick, whoever, he just needs to win it outright instead of having the job handed over because the other guys in the room were so bad.
Also, there’s nothing wrong in this era to have a very strong and battle tested backup QB. AOC may very well end up playing that role for the Raiders. If starting QB Joe Shmo goes down next year for a few weeks I’d be confident in AOC holding down the fort and keeping them in games until the starter comes back.
You said AOC 5 times. I need a nap.
AOC, AOC, AOC, AOC.

get out of here
Well, at least 4 is < 5, thanks.
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
Fields is liked by the fantasy community more than the NFL because of his running ability. I‘m not convinced he will be a good “NFL” QB, so I don’t think the Raiders should trade for him.
So if you don’t like fields, who will be cheap, who do you think would be a good fit? IMHO mortgaging the future is not the answer
How is Fields a better option than O’Connell? Fantasy football notwithstanding.
 
So if you don’t like fields, who will be cheap, who do you think would be a good fit? IMHO mortgaging the future is not the answer
No, the answer is AOC, once we change his nickname. A nice, old-timey pocket QB, who doesn't get all uppity and run for first downs.

He's really the only logical option. The 26 year old statue.

What other options do we have? It's a tough year to need a QB when you only have Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield, Justin Fields, and a minimum of SIX top 100 QBs coming out of the draft this year.

Yep, slim pickings. Not much to choose from, nope.
 
Options at QB for me would look something like this…

A. Trade for Fields and draft one in rounds 3 or later
B. Draft one with 1st round pick and he competes with AOC
C. Sign Mayfield
D. If they truly think they can compete, then they sign a vet like Cousins or Flacco
I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Hate the acronym for O’Connell by the way. It reminds me too much of a certain bartender. Why trade for Fields?
Agree with Cousins (although I think there are Atlanta rumors as well) and the O’Connell comments. Although I don’t want to give up on O’Connell, I also don’t think he has it yet. Could he, maybe. But it will take some time. I’m basing my Fields option on two things: a)everything I’ve read about his character lines up with where this team seems to be going and what AP is looking for in a leader and b) still young and has plenty of potential that AP and KK can tap into.
Fields is liked by the fantasy community more than the NFL because of his running ability. I‘m not convinced he will be a good “NFL” QB, so I don’t think the Raiders should trade for him.
So if you don’t like fields, who will be cheap, who do you think would be a good fit? IMHO mortgaging the future is not the answer
How is Fields a better option than O’Connell? Fantasy football notwithstanding.
There are some, me included, that don’t think AOC is an NFL caliber starting QB. He’s a decent QB. But that’s about it. Fields may not be much better, but he’s shown bigger flashes of potential. And he definitely fits KK better than the statue that is AOC. Mayfield would be another possibility. Not a great one, but a possibility. I just don’t want them to pay what it will cost to move up to a top 3 pick.

I’ll ask again, if not AOC, who? And if you’re willing to roll with AOC, why?
 
So if you don’t like fields, who will be cheap, who do you think would be a good fit? IMHO mortgaging the future is not the answer
No, the answer is AOC, once we change his nickname. A nice, old-timey pocket QB, who doesn't get all uppity and run for first downs.

He's really the only logical option. The 26 year old statue.

What other options do we have? It's a tough year to need a QB when you only have Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield, Justin Fields, and a minimum of SIX top 100 QBs coming out of the draft this year.

Yep, slim pickings. Not much to choose from, nope.
Draft offensive lineman to protect him and see what he becomes? I doubt Fields is the answer from a quarterbacking perspective, but I could be wrong. I love Fields in fantasy as long as he’s on the field. The problem with someone like Fields is that I don’t think he’s looked at as a good “”NFL” QB and the threat of benching will always be present. I think O’Connell has promise. I saw how he can hit WRs in stride and I think if he is protected he is an accurate QB.
 
Draft offensive lineman to protect him and see what he becomes? I doubt Fields is the answer from a quarterbacking perspective, but I could be wrong. I love Fields in fantasy as long as he’s on the field. The problem with someone like Fields is that I don’t think he’s looked at as a good “”NFL” QB and the threat of benching will always be present. I think O’Connell has promise. I saw how he can hit WRs in stride and I think if he is protected he is an accurate QB.
Super Trooper played well enough to earn a shot. He didn't play well enough to change how the front office builds the team. I don't really think many Raider fans would argue against that.
 
Draft offensive lineman to protect him and see what he becomes? I doubt Fields is the answer from a quarterbacking perspective, but I could be wrong. I love Fields in fantasy as long as he’s on the field. The problem with someone like Fields is that I don’t think he’s looked at as a good “”NFL” QB and the threat of benching will always be present. I think O’Connell has promise. I saw how he can hit WRs in stride and I think if he is protected he is an accurate QB.
Super Trooper played well enough to earn a shot. He didn't play well enough to change how the front office builds the team. I don't really think many Raider fans would argue against that.
Perhaps, but replacing him with Fields feels like spitting into the wind.
 
Rule explaining minority draft pick compensation

(i) The employer-club of a minority employee who has been hired by another club as its Head Coach or Primary Football Executive (General Manager) shall receive Draft choice compensation in the form of a compensatory Draft pick in the third round in each of the next two Drafts for an employee hired as either a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive, or for the next three Drafts if it has two employees hired for both positions. The reference to the hiring of employees into “both positions” could be by the same club or different clubs. The following will apply to the Draft choice compensation:
a. Any compensatory Draft picks awarded pursuant to this Policy will be at the end of the third round following all compensatory Draft picks awarded to clubs pursuant to Appendix V of the NFL-NFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement.
b. If multiple clubs are awarded compensatory Draft picks pursuant to this Policy, then the order of those picks at the end of the third round will follow the original selection order for that Draft established prior to any trades or other adjustments.

(ii) The employer-club shall be eligible to receive this Draft choice compensation if:
a. The minority employee hired as a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive has been employed by the employer-club for a minimum of two full seasons; and
b. The minority employee is not the Head Coach or Primary Football Executive of the employer-club and is hired into the same position with the new club. There can be no break in employment between clubs.

Y'all might have known all this, but I was foggy on the rule.

Once a guy has been employed for two years (Champ Kelly eligible after this year, Patrick Graham is/was eligible this offseason) , the team gets comp 3rd round picks in back to back years.

So, if we lose Kelly to a GM job somewhere, or Graham to a HC job next year, it's two 3rd round picks. End of the round, in consecutive years.
Champ is eligible now if he were hired - he spent 2022 and 2023 seasons with us, same as Graham. Not sure if that's what you are saying, I think it is, just clarifying.

If we lose them both in the same year it's only three total, in consecutive years. If we lose one then the other in back-to-back years we'd get four picks, two sets of two picks in back-to-back drafts. Example:

2022 MIA hired Mike McDaniel from SFO
SFO gets comp picks in 2022 and 2023

2023 TEN hired Ran Carthon from SFO
SFO gets comp picks in 2023 and 2024

Also in 2023 HOU hires Demeco Ryans from SFO
SFO gets comp pick in 2025

Had Ryans been hired this off-season he would have been two picks also, 2024 and 2025 drafts. So it's better to spread those out but obviously not in the incumbent team's control.
 
How is Fields a better option than O’Connell? Fantasy football notwithstanding.
His ceiling is through the roof. He's got a great arm and his mobility changes how teams have to defend the field. None of that matters if he can't get the ball out of his hands and to the correct spot, but if he were doing those things he wouldn't be available.

He's had a lot of things potentially working against him - OL, receiving weapons, supporting defense, OC/play calling. Not gonna hash them out here, and whether those are real obstacles or just excuses for an overrated guy remains to be seen. But for the price of admission of a 2nd, or a 3rd plus conditional 2025, I want to see. Spending a 2nd on fields vs a 2nd on Penix or Nix or whoever is deemed to not be worthy of a 1st round pick is a wash for me. I want to see what happens ater a couple of years of Fields with Kliff Kingsbury.
 
I don’t think anyone has ever spoke well of AOC ;)
A bunch of us have. Relative to his price we're thrilled at what he showed. We're not gonna call him Brady but a 4th rounder that came in cold and went 5-4 is a win.
I know I’ve spoke well of O’Connell, but it seems most here are ready to move on. I say protect him, get him more weapons and see what you have. Not be continually starting over.
 
I don’t think anyone has ever spoke well of AOC ;)
A bunch of us have. Relative to his price we're thrilled at what he showed. We're not gonna call him Brady but a 4th rounder that came in cold and went 5-4 is a win.
I know I’ve spoke well of O’Connell, but it seems most here are ready to move on. I say protect him, get him more weapons and see what you have. Not be continually starting over.
I think in many other years that would be the way to go. Give him a year, see what you got, build the rest of the roster. HOU did it with Davis Mills and we see how that turned out. I've said I would understand the temptation if that's the route the team went. And maybe we do the HOU thing, go 2-15, and get the next CJ Stroud? Yeah that wouldn't suck.

Problem here is we have a ready-made defense for the first time in years - many, many years. We have a solid OL, we have good offensive weapons, and we have a quality RB. 2022 was better for the OL/RB than 2023 was but we're still excited about it. If we get a legit QB we can be contenders right now. We probably need much better depth and even our starters might not be in the upper echelon of a loaded AFC in year 1 but hey man, chip-and-a-chair, right? We could be a playoff team right now and if we end up with a QB that plays like Goff we could be that team in a year or two. It's been a long time since we've had this outlook in February.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
Would you trade up for a QB? if yes, what would you offer? Mortgage the future now? Or build around what you have?
 
I don’t think anyone has ever spoke well of AOC ;)
A bunch of us have. Relative to his price we're thrilled at what he showed. We're not gonna call him Brady but a 4th rounder that came in cold and went 5-4 is a win.
I know I’ve spoke well of O’Connell, but it seems most here are ready to move on. I say protect him, get him more weapons and see what you have. Not be continually starting over.
They are starting over. there will be a new OC. Many new offensive coaches. A first time HC. a new GM. It’s the definition of starting over.

AOC was never supposed to be the starter. Mcdummy brought the dreamboat in to be the starter. They traded up to get AOC. Still confused by that one. AOC was meant to be a let’s see what we have here pick. Not the starter. He did ok with the hand he was dealt. IMHO he doesn’t look like a starter in the league. they are starting over with a question mark in the most important position.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
Would you trade up for a QB? if yes, what would you offer? Mortgage the future now? Or build around what you have?
Despite the user name, he’s a charger fan
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
We smart guys have talked about it. The majority seem to not want to mortgage the future for a qb. The price is astronomical.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
Would you trade up for a QB? if yes, what would you offer? Mortgage the future now? Or build around what you have?
Despite the user name, he’s a charger fan
Oh I know that already. Isn’t he a Chargers fan because of Rivers, not the other way around? :) Starting with being a NC State guy.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
We smart guys have talked about it. The majority seem to not want to mortgage the future for a qb. The price is astronomical.
The tough part is the hindsight involved. What if CAR had taken Stroud (and gotten that performance) instead of Bryce? Would anyone there be criticizing that trade? Maybe they don't go 10-7 but 7-10? With a 4k QB that turns Nico Collins into a stud? Getting the pick right is FAR more important than the price paid. I would be all in on giving up 3 firsts to get Stroud.

Given the risk involved, I think the consensus is it's not worth it. The only elite QB out there right now that was #1 is Burrow and there are far more top 5 busts at QB in the last 7 years than hits. This is why talent evaluation (and luck) are so important. I'm fine with taking lesser risks - if Daniels is there at 7 or so it's time to start looking. I'd be fine giving up 2025 1st, but not throwing in multiple day 2 picks over multiple drafts. Our roster still needs work if for no other reason that to add depth so when Jack Jones does something idiotic we aren't turning to a D2-level CB to get rolled in his place.

I'm very sold on both Penix and McCarthy (talent wise). Penix has some injury concerns but that guy has been a baller when he's on the field. McCarthy wasn't asked to do much in 2023 but trust me, when he was the year before he showed some huge upside. I'll trust the consensus on Nix, I haven't seen enough with my own eyes.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
Would you trade up for a QB? if yes, what would you offer? Mortgage the future now? Or build around what you have?
Despite the user name, he’s a charger fan
Oh I know that already. Isn’t he a Chargers fan because of Rivers, not the other way around? :) Starting with being a NC State guy.

This is true. I didn't really have a strong favorite team growing up in NC before there was a team in the state. Rivers was my favorite NC State player, so I adopted the Chargers as my favorite team when they traded for him in 2004. I kind of thought I might move on from the Chargers after Rivers was gone, since I don't really like the owners and really hated their move to LA and how they handled it... but I found that rooting for them for 15 years had hooked me.

I'm sure all of the readers of this Raiders thread are really interested in this...
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
Just read this article a few minutes ago,https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/...l-buzz-news-nfl-draft-prospects-cfb-offseason, the part below was wrote by Fowler under the heading of what teams might be trying to trade up for a QB.

The Las Vegas Raiders (No. 13) might be a team to watch. New coach Antonio Pierce is a big fan of Daniels from their days together at Arizona State, and word is that Pierce evaluated offensive coordinators with the loose possibility of Daniels in mind.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
We smart guys have talked about it. The majority seem to not want to mortgage the future for a qb. The price is astronomical.

It's a steep price, and it is definitely risky since some highly drafted QBs don't pan out. But it's hard for any NFL franchise to have real success without a high quality QB.

Look at the 23 first round QBs taken in the past 6 seasons:
  1. Young
  2. Stroud
  3. Richardson
  4. Pickett
  5. Lawrence
  6. Wilson
  7. Lance
  8. Fields
  9. Jones
  10. Burrow
  11. Tua
  12. Herbert
  13. Love
  14. Murray
  15. Jones
  16. Haskins
  17. Mayfield
  18. Rosen
  19. Allen
  20. Jackson
  21. Trubisky
  22. Mahomes
  23. Watson
I assume the Raiders would be happy to have the players I bolded as their starting QB in 2024 and beyond (I'm ignoring Watson's off field issues here). They aren't all equal, of course, but that is 15 of 23 who I think the Raiders could view as better long term franchise QBs than what they have now. And I didn't include either of the Joneses, and one or both of them could also be solid starters in a new environment. That's really not a bad hit rate IMO and could justify a trade up move.

The issue for the Raiders is that only 2 of the 15 QBs I bolded were drafted at 1.13 or later. That said, if they can get Nix, Penix, or McCarthy at 13, and they are happy with him, maybe that is the answer.

Interested what the Raider fans think about my categorization here.

One of the reasons I initially brought it up here is that I'm interested in the Chargers trading down and was wondering if the Raiders might be a possible trade partner, especially since Telesco obviously knows a number of people in the Chargers front office, which could possibly help facilitate a deal.
 
Has there been any discussion of trading up in the first round for a QB? Telesco traded up in the draft 4 times with the Chargers, twice in the first round, twice in the second round, and he never had to consider it for a QB. Meanwhile, he never traded down in 11 drafts.
In 11 drafts he never traded down???
 

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