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2024 Outlook for Ravens RBs - The King Henry era is here! (1 Viewer)
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Cowboysfan8
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Liquid Tension
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...and queue the season ending injury!
Liquid Tension
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Dobbins, Hill and Edwards all with season ending injuries? Also Bateman with a bad one. Fire the trainer and the OC better ease up
Ministry of Pain
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Ancient History my friendJoeKappBudGrant said:
ignatiusjreilly
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So who do we like to lead the Ravens backfield? Are you putting in a claim on Murray? Williams? Both? Neither?
Helaire-ious
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Williams alreadt got picked up & Bell was never dropped all off season LOL. Murray still rostered too (This is dynasty PPR) so I put in a claim for Freeman & then Cannon. Worst case, I just drop em as quick as I picked them up. I am not using any of my FAAB for the claim
JoeKappBudGrant
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It is more likely that Bell is Ancient History.
ignatiusjreilly
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Murray is a free agent on the WW who I can get right now. Have a waiver claim in on Williams that I have a pretty good chance of getting (I'm #2 and the guy ahead of me doesn't strike me as someone who's going to be super active on the WW.) But it seems like overkill to use two roster spots on mediocre RBs.
The way I see it, likelihood is that neither becomes a regular starter, but Williams at least has upside. We have a good idea of Murray's ceiling.
The way I see it, likelihood is that neither becomes a regular starter, but Williams at least has upside. We have a good idea of Murray's ceiling.
sushinsky4tsar
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Murray, Bell, Freeman. Who s the least cooked of the bunch?
I wonder if one or two of these are placeholders while they work out a trade.
I wonder if one or two of these are placeholders while they work out a trade.
hamsterdam
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Lost Gus as my RB2 in a 16 teamer and boy does it hurt lol. Especially in a league with so many managers, Bell and Murray have been rostered since the draft. I have Williams also, but I'm convinced Murray and / or Bell is going to take enough touches to make him a RB3 at best. Or worst case, they become the 1A / 1B.
I was able pick up Freeman but I think he'll be the odd man out. At least Williams should be a decent start vs LVR week 1.
I was able pick up Freeman but I think he'll be the odd man out. At least Williams should be a decent start vs LVR week 1.
Johnny Utah #9
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So who is everyone placing their bets on?
It’s entirely possible Williams and all these dusty backs just cannibalize each other’s value. But given the quality of the Ravens rushing system, it’s worth a shot.
Of the vets, I’m putting my money on Latavius. His running style is the most comparable to Gus. He would seem like the best fit. He’s also had the most recent success of the bunch (at least he was on an NFL roster).
If I had to handicap it I’d go: Lat, Ty’son, Bell, Devonta. What say you?
It’s entirely possible Williams and all these dusty backs just cannibalize each other’s value. But given the quality of the Ravens rushing system, it’s worth a shot.
Of the vets, I’m putting my money on Latavius. His running style is the most comparable to Gus. He would seem like the best fit. He’s also had the most recent success of the bunch (at least he was on an NFL roster).
If I had to handicap it I’d go: Lat, Ty’son, Bell, Devonta. What say you?
Thunderlips
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3 veteran RBs between 29 and 31. 1 25 year old RB who the team felt enough to keep after last year.
Murray, Freeman and Bell all were sitting there; available in a league that, with 17 games this year is looking for more and more depth.
I don't believe they'd keep all of the Three Old Wise Men; but since BAL is more interested in winning football games and not giving us a bellcow RB....I think they'll run Williams, Bell and Murray as a 3 headed monster......and they'll run it with effectiveness. Freeman is probably the odd man out. Bell is probably still good at picking up the blitz and receiving. Murray is a good pass blocker who seems to fit more of BALs run style. I don't know about Williams pass blocking; but he's projected to be a decent enough receiver and one cut runner.
Williams/Murray on 1st/2nd....maybe 3rd and short. Williams/Bell on 2nd and long/3rd and long etc. They'll get it done in the real world with next to no benefit to the fantasy world.
Murray, Freeman and Bell all were sitting there; available in a league that, with 17 games this year is looking for more and more depth.
I don't believe they'd keep all of the Three Old Wise Men; but since BAL is more interested in winning football games and not giving us a bellcow RB....I think they'll run Williams, Bell and Murray as a 3 headed monster......and they'll run it with effectiveness. Freeman is probably the odd man out. Bell is probably still good at picking up the blitz and receiving. Murray is a good pass blocker who seems to fit more of BALs run style. I don't know about Williams pass blocking; but he's projected to be a decent enough receiver and one cut runner.
Williams/Murray on 1st/2nd....maybe 3rd and short. Williams/Bell on 2nd and long/3rd and long etc. They'll get it done in the real world with next to no benefit to the fantasy world.
I think if they sign Murray the cost will be such that they expect to use he and Williams and be done. Not sure what Murray expects to be paid but NO dropped him because of salary demands so it isn't nothing.
Johnny Utah #9
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Well Murray just signed a 1 yr. 2 mil deal. I’m assuming that is guaranteed unlike Bell who is still on the practice squad? If so, they are at least showing more value in Lat at this point. Granted, I’m assuming Lat maybe had some more options as well.
The Frankman
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Some observations:
1) No Baltimore RB has had 70% of the work in like 4 years. The closest any RB had last season for the Ravens was Week 8 when Dobbins out-snapped Edwards 66% to 32% (Ingram was hurt that game). The Ravens like to use a 1A/1B with a little bit of 1C in the run game, so whomever snags the Red Zone/goal line work will be key.
2) It's very hard to have 3-4 RBs on your roster and none of them play Special Teams. Murray doesn't and I don't think Freeman or Bell do. But Trenton Cannon can... whether he actually gets on the field as a RB I dunno.
3) It's expected that the Ravens will activate either Bell or Freeman on Monday according to Josina Anderson and Jamison Hensley.
1) No Baltimore RB has had 70% of the work in like 4 years. The closest any RB had last season for the Ravens was Week 8 when Dobbins out-snapped Edwards 66% to 32% (Ingram was hurt that game). The Ravens like to use a 1A/1B with a little bit of 1C in the run game, so whomever snags the Red Zone/goal line work will be key.
2) It's very hard to have 3-4 RBs on your roster and none of them play Special Teams. Murray doesn't and I don't think Freeman or Bell do. But Trenton Cannon can... whether he actually gets on the field as a RB I dunno.
3) It's expected that the Ravens will activate either Bell or Freeman on Monday according to Josina Anderson and Jamison Hensley.
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JohnnyU
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Helaire-ious
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So Cannon not included?
TVT 0 N S T A
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I don't understand all the love for Latavius Murray here. I still think it is Ty'Son Williams job to lose.
Wouldn't everyone agree - Williams is the more complete back here? Good hands, great size - some injury concern, sure... but he seriously has the build of a bellcow and I view Latavius Murray as more of a plodder in this stage of his career. Guy is on the wrong side of 30 for me.
Wouldn't everyone agree - Williams is the more complete back here? Good hands, great size - some injury concern, sure... but he seriously has the build of a bellcow and I view Latavius Murray as more of a plodder in this stage of his career. Guy is on the wrong side of 30 for me.
Lamar.
Everyone else is just deck chairs on the Titanic. Rearrange them any way you want, and the result is the same.
How would we agree? The guy has never played an NFL game. Preseason is not a great indication.
JohnnyU
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Well, let's not put Williams on a pedestal here, because after all, he was an UDFA. Sure, some surprise such as James Robinson, but Murray still has gas in the tank from what we saw last year. If I were betting, I think the Ravens are more comfortable with Murray as their starter than Williams as the season progresses. Sure, Williams could hit the ground running and not look back, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
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TVT 0 N S T A
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Murray is a mid-6th round pick almost a decade ago. I think Williams has as much possibility of seizing the job as Murray does. I don't see why I'm in the minority on that. I think draft cap goes out the window when you sign 3 guys off the street that nobody has sniffed around after they were released...
The Frankman
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Ok, compare what Murray has done since he was drafted. Now compare what Williams has done. /The End
Again, if Williams suddenly looks like James Robinson 2.0 that's one thing. But to discount Murray's career with that 6th round pick argument, yeesh.
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ATB
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It's gonna be Bell. I honestly can't remember where the rumors of his demise began, but I think it was a slow snowball effect after he didn't have a great first season with the Jets.
But he was on the Jets! He had a bad QB with a bad O-line and quite possibly one of the worst NFL coaches I've ever seen.
Then the rumors grew when he was released and signed with KC. A lot of people thought it was a great move. I remember thinking it was a poor decision. He was chasing a ring in an effort to increase his stock for this season. But in doing so, he handicapped himself behind another terrible O-line.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes in KC. It's anyone's guess. But there was obviously a sour relationship between Andy Reid and Le'Veon Bell.
I hear a lot of people supporting their opinion that Bell is "washed" by pointing to Bell not suiting up for the Super Bowl and being "beat out by Darrel Williams."
But everything I saw with my own eyes, when tuning out everything else, told me Bell still had a ton left in the tank in NY and was, at times, the best RB on the roster in KC.
This will be the first time since he was in Pittsburgh that Bell has a good O-line to run behind.
If he can pickup the playbook and get his sea legs under him, I truly believe it's his job to lose.
He's only 29. I never saw him lose a step in NY or KC. But Latavius Murray looked absolutely cooked in preseason and he's 31. He's the only real competition for Bell, imo. And I don't think it's even a fair fight at this point.
But he was on the Jets! He had a bad QB with a bad O-line and quite possibly one of the worst NFL coaches I've ever seen.
Then the rumors grew when he was released and signed with KC. A lot of people thought it was a great move. I remember thinking it was a poor decision. He was chasing a ring in an effort to increase his stock for this season. But in doing so, he handicapped himself behind another terrible O-line.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes in KC. It's anyone's guess. But there was obviously a sour relationship between Andy Reid and Le'Veon Bell.
I hear a lot of people supporting their opinion that Bell is "washed" by pointing to Bell not suiting up for the Super Bowl and being "beat out by Darrel Williams."
But everything I saw with my own eyes, when tuning out everything else, told me Bell still had a ton left in the tank in NY and was, at times, the best RB on the roster in KC.
This will be the first time since he was in Pittsburgh that Bell has a good O-line to run behind.
If he can pickup the playbook and get his sea legs under him, I truly believe it's his job to lose.
He's only 29. I never saw him lose a step in NY or KC. But Latavius Murray looked absolutely cooked in preseason and he's 31. He's the only real competition for Bell, imo. And I don't think it's even a fair fight at this point.
TVT 0 N S T A
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I don't think I was comparing accomplishments? Someone said he was a UDFA and I said Murray is a 6th round pick. Just stating the truth. 73 picks away from being in the same "category" as Ty'Son Williams. I'm sorry - Murray hasn't done #### in 3 years and was just cut by a team for another UDFA to fill his role in New Orleans. To sit here and assume Latavius Murray is going to have a stranglehold on carries and opportunities because he signed a 2 million dollar deal is just silly.
Ty'Son Williams will have first crack at this backfield... it's his job to lose.
Banger
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As I said in the Williams thread....all this speculation is pointless. No one here knows anything and I don't think the Ravens even know at this point. They are in shock and scrambling to field a RB core. What happens on the field will determine roles...if Williams is faster, breaking tackles and making things happen he will be the primary. I've put my chips on the young guy who the coaches like and has moved up the depth chart before the Gus/Hill injuries over the guys who are a year from retirement.
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Banger
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Has Edwards been placed on IR yet?
Uruk-Hai
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I think it was on CBS where I saw it's already been done. Everything else I've seen says he "will be" placed on IR.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Thanks. I have a move ready but want to wait until i hear he is officially done for the year
Uruk-Hai
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Ian Rappaport just reported that the move to IR is official, for whatever that's worth.
Utter Chaos
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Freeman 1,541 total yards, 13 TDs
Murray 1,052 total yards, 12 TDs
Bell 1,884 total yards, 9 TDs
I see lots of speculation about who will be the lead back. I will be happy if it is either of Williams or Murray since having grabbed Murray I now have both. I just want it to be clear WHO is the 1A.
And I think speculation will remain with us for a while. Unless of course Williams tears it up week 1 when he is almost assured the starters share. If he does no reason for BAL to change anything other than to add depth so he doesn't wear out.
At this point I am starting Williams week 1 in front of Conner, Higgins, and Sermon. Could change based on news but I expect he will out produce those 3 this week.
And I think speculation will remain with us for a while. Unless of course Williams tears it up week 1 when he is almost assured the starters share. If he does no reason for BAL to change anything other than to add depth so he doesn't wear out.
At this point I am starting Williams week 1 in front of Conner, Higgins, and Sermon. Could change based on news but I expect he will out produce those 3 this week.
I think there is a typo in that article. It isn't Freeman who was in the Saints training camp. It was Murray.
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