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*** 2024 Pittsburgh Steelers: one and done again. (4 Viewers)

2 first round picks, TJ and George Pickens for the right to draft Shedeur. Not an ideal trade for the Steelers. April can't come soon enough. Will be interesting to see if Deion tries to maneuver his son towards Dallas in a trade, Dak, 2 first round picks and either more draft capital or a player. I personally want to see him go to the Giants or Browns and watch the family blow a gasket.

Grady Brown interviewing for the Atlanta Falcons DC position. Could MT finally have a little branch on his coaching tree?
 
fred_1_15301 said:
crushedspirit said:
I wouldn't touch Ward or Sanders even if I was in position to do so in the first round.

Trading up for one or the other is ludicrous, but that's just my opinion based on watching them play.
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Agreed. I wouldn’t even want the Steelers to draft them if they somehow dropped down to our pick (let alone trading 2 firsts, Watt and Pickens LMAO).
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I'd be up for trading GP, but TJ is the face of the franchise and will go nowhere.

Keep the cheaper QB on your roster or snag another one cheap as a bridge, maybe draft a QB day 3 or wait until 2026 where the QB talent pool will be much better.
 
crushedspirit said:
fred_1_15301 said:
crushedspirit said:
I wouldn't touch Ward or Sanders even if I was in position to do so in the first round.

Trading up for one or the other is ludicrous, but that's just my opinion based on watching them play.
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Agreed. I wouldn’t even want the Steelers to draft them if they somehow dropped down to our pick (let alone trading 2 firsts, Watt and Pickens LMAO).
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I'd be up for trading GP, but TJ is the face of the franchise and will go nowhere.

Keep the cheaper QB on your roster or snag another one cheap as a bridge, maybe draft a QB day 3 or wait until 2026 where the QB talent pool will be much better.
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It will never happen but trade everyone and tank for Arch
 
News to brighten everyone's day. Obviously just speculation...

The Steelers like Wilson, and they aren't thrilled about the other options they'll have on the offseason quarterback market. If Wilson will take a deal similar to the three-year, $100 million deal Baker Mayfield got from the Buccaneers this past year, he could stick around for a while. -- Graziano
 
I’ve always believed that any team that trades for a coach is stupid if it costs them a first round pick or greater.
 
3C's said:
News to brighten everyone's day. Obviously just speculation...

The Steelers like Wilson, and they aren't thrilled about the other options they'll have on the offseason quarterback market. If Wilson will take a deal similar to the three-year, $100 million deal Baker Mayfield got from the Buccaneers this past year, he could stick around for a while. -- Graziano
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Ive been telling any who'll listen that Tomlin is going to advocate for keeping Russ over Fields for months.

He's practically his perfect quarterback: veteran who's pretty much seen/done everything so he doesn't have to develop him and can be completely hands off. Bonus: he is well versed in "saying something while saying nothing" to the media.

As you mentioned Russ is going to have to play for "their number", and he'll have to be okay continuing with Arthur Smith as the OC (which according to rumor may not be something he's cool with), but how many other options is he going to have to start? I fully expect it to happen.

At this point they SHOULD be in "damn the torpedos, lets just give Fields the whole '25 season" mode...but i'll be the opposite of shocked when Russ is starting next year and Fields is in Cleveland/wherever.
 
Please don't get me depressed. Anyways I sent a question to copilot for an answer.

Help me write up why Russell Wilson shouldn't be signed by the steelers for the 2025 season. Personally, I think he is washed up and terrible.

Alright, let's break it down. Here are some key points you can use to argue why the Steelers shouldn't sign Russell Wilson for the 2025 season:

1. Declining Performance: Wilson's performance has significantly declined. In the final five weeks of the 2024 season, he ranked 30th out of 31 quarterbacks in EPA per drop back. This statistic highlights his struggles and inability to lead the team effectively.

2. Inconsistent Play: Wilson's season was a tale of two halves. He started strong but his performance plummeted towards the end of the season. This inconsistency is a major concern for a team looking for stability at the quarterback position.

3. Age and Durability: At 36 years old, Wilson's age is a factor. He missed most of training camp and the first six games of the regular season due to a calf injury. His durability is questionable, and the Steelers need a quarterback who can stay healthy and perform consistently.

4. Offensive Struggles: Despite Wilson's respectable stat line in some games, the Steelers' offense struggled to score more than 20 points in the last five games of the season. This lack of offensive production is a red flag.

5. Better Alternatives: The Steelers have other options. Justin Fields showed promise when he started in place of the injured Wilson, posting a 4-2 record. Additionally, there are other veteran quarterbacks available in the offseason who could provide more stability and better performance6.

Fan and Analyst Sentiment: Many fans and analysts believe it's time for Wilson to retire. Social media has been ablaze with calls for him to hang up his cleats. This sentiment reflects the general lack of confidence in Wilson's ability to lead the team moving forward.
 
Nice game, Andrews!🤌

I'm probably as giddy/more giddy about that team losing in the manner which they just lost as I would have been if the Steelers made it another week and somehow won. And I'm completely fine with whatever that sez about me. 🤓

Me seeing John Harbaugh making that face that makes his mouth/chin look like a cat's frowning a$$hole is like Cartman drinking Scott Tennerman's tears after telling him he served him his parents in the chili he just ate.

I low key dislike the Bills...old habits...but I'd rather watch them win 100 SBs before Baltimore gets a single, additional appearance in one.
 
With all the movement across the league on the DC front right now, it is not looking like Austin is getting fired to me. No inside info, just my observations.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
With all the movement across the league on the DC front right now, it is not looking like Austin is getting fired to me. No inside info, just my observations.
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I doubt he will because they still owe him money. Won't matter. It's Mike's defense anyway.


Ben Johnson allegedly finalizing deal with CHI to be their HC. One less place for Artie to get hired by. :ROFLMAO:
 
5-ish Finkle said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
With all the movement across the league on the DC front right now, it is not looking like Austin is getting fired to me. No inside info, just my observations.
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I doubt he will because they still owe him money. Won't matter. It's Mike's defense anyway.
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Teryl Austin and Pat Meyer have 1 more year left on their contracts. If they were to be fired it would have happened by now. Steelers have the smallest coaching staff in the NFL and try to maximize their dollars.
 
Local honks seem to think we'd see another "Assistant to the Regional Manager" HC-as-defensive consultant, a la what they did with Flores, before they fire Austin.

Keeping Meyer is just silly, given how little (in the grand scheme) they probably owe the guy. Not like he's making "Tomlin money." Sure, they can say maybe he had it rough because of injuries/whatever....but the results are the results. Jones backslid, mixed bag with the rookies, Ike backslid. Sure Frazier looked good, but overall the unit was tuurrrrrrible blocking for the run and that's supposed to be your bread and butter.
 
I honestly don't see Arthur Smith Jr getting a head coaching job this year. Unless his dad works some behind the scenes magic or buys a team. Arthur hasn't done much this season to deserve a second shot. Plus, as it's been mentioned many times before his offense isn't well suited for today's NFL passing trends. I'm split brained on wanting him back. I don't want him back if Mike Tomlin continues with RW. I do want Arthur back if the Steeler's bring back Justin as their starting QB.

Mike Sullivan should be considered for the chopping block.
 
Lots of "big game hunting" talk for WR. What does that even mean? Higgins? Kupp? Adams? Someone that isn't old? Sounds like Pickens is 50/50 -- could be traded or play out the contract, but no extension expected.

A quality free agent, Pickens, Austin, Wilson, and another high pick at WR could be a good room?
 
For a topflight WR the Steelers will have to overpay due to not having a franchise QB and/or a way too conservative offense. I'd love to see GP grow up but that's not going to happen. A leopard cannot change his spots. But I agree someone needs to talk some sense into him because what he is currently doing is costing him long term money.
 
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I do think they go DL though. Team is built defense first and they have an aging group.
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Mock Draft Monday – Pittsburgh Steelers 2025 Mock Draft: January 20

The Pittsburgh Steelers’ season is in the books following their first-round exit in the playoffs. The team has transitioned to the offseason where the pre-draft process ramps up as Pittsburgh looks to bolster its roster in hopes of having a better chance to compete in the postseason next year...
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sm8680 said:
For a topflight WR the Steelers will have to overpay due to not having a franchise QB and/or a way too conservative offense. I'd love to see GP grow up but that's not going to happen. A leopard cannot change his spots. But I agree someone needs to talk some sense into him because what he is currently doing is costing him long term money.
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Agree the Steelers would have to overpay to bring the top flight WR's.

But if we can all agree that's the case, that this is a place no WR would want to come to all things being equal, maybe GP should be cut some slack for when he gets obviously frustrated?
 
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Top 2 UFAs by far will be Godwin and Higgins

After that some older guys like Diggs, Allen and Hopkins.
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Not sure what happened to him in Buffalo, been a strange year for Amari Cooper, but don't forget about him. Could see him pulling up after Godwin and Higgins for top pay of this group.

Marquise Brown is another one on an expiring contract.

After that group might be shopping in the Darius Slayton type of market.

It's slim pickings in FA and the draft. Kind of a crazy considering all we've been hearing most of the last few years is that the draft is just spilling out with WR's everywhere.
 
menobrown said:
crushedspirit said:
Top 2 UFAs by far will be Godwin and Higgins

After that some older guys like Diggs, Allen and Hopkins.
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Not sure what happened to him in Buffalo, been a strange year for Amari Cooper, but don't forget about him. Could see him pulling up after Godwin and Higgins for top pay of this group.

Marquise Brown is another one on an expiring contract.

After that group might be shopping in the Darius Slayton type of market.

It's slim pickings in FA and the draft. Kind of a crazy considering all we've been hearing most of the last few years is that the draft is just spilling out with WR's everywhere.
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I was going to consider Cooper, but he has been really bad playing with an elite QB, so I passed.

Hollywood is one to consider as a field stretcher.
 
crushedspirit said:
menobrown said:
crushedspirit said:
Top 2 UFAs by far will be Godwin and Higgins

After that some older guys like Diggs, Allen and Hopkins.
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Not sure what happened to him in Buffalo, been a strange year for Amari Cooper, but don't forget about him. Could see him pulling up after Godwin and Higgins for top pay of this group.

Marquise Brown is another one on an expiring contract.

After that group might be shopping in the Darius Slayton type of market.

It's slim pickings in FA and the draft. Kind of a crazy considering all we've been hearing most of the last few years is that the draft is just spilling out with WR's everywhere.
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I was going to consider Cooper, but he has been really bad playing with an elite QB, so I passed.

Hollywood is one to consider as a field stretcher.
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I think there are other things going on with Cooper that are distracting him and it's extremely hard joining a team in-season at WR. I personally don't put much stock on him not putting up big numbers in Buffalo.

But I know he's not fond of playing in the cold, he did not choose Cleveland or Buffalo. Money rules in FA but I expect he'd like to find a warmer place to play.
 
Larry O needs to go. So, I definitely agree that the Steelers need to draft a defensive lineman. Keeanu do you keep him as a nose tackle or move him to defensive tackle.
 
crushedspirit said:
Many can point to Colbert for sure, but Tomlin has been more involved in the last 2 drafts with Khan.

The results have been pretty bad so far.
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I would disagree that the last 2 drafts have been bad.

2023: Broderick Jones, JPJ, Keeanu Benton, Darnell Washington, Nick Herbig, Cory Trice, Spencer Anderson
2024: Troy Fautanu, Zach Frazier, Roman Wilson, Payton Wilson, Mason McCormick, Logan Lee, Ryan Watts

All of these players are still on the team, that's pretty rare for the Steelers. Lots of Colbert drafts had 5-7 round players getting cut in training camp. Fautanu, Roman Wilson, Logan Lee, and Ryan Watts all hit IR this year, so they remain TBD. Last year Trice missed the full year, so this was basically his rookie season (and he played like a rookie).

JPJ, Benton, Herbig, and Frazier have been awesome.
Darnell, Payton Wilson, and McCormick have played great at times and the two rookies played like rookies at times. I think Darnell is underused by our scheme (not a drafting issue).

Spencer Anderson took over for Moore at times this season and IMO played way better. He's a sleeper for OT next season, but don't know his upside yet.

Broderick Jones is the big question mark and obviously the biggest investment as a 1st rounder. I think the team moving him around all the time and playing him out of position at RT has been the biggest issue to his development. They need to stick him at LT and keep him there no matter what (and improve his OL coach). I fear he'll be another OL player to leave and play much better at another team.

IMO the issues most of these players have had is coaching, not talent. Or staying healthy, which is largely luck.
 
I feel like Khan has crushed the last two draft classes thought it's fair to say the jury is still out on the two premium picks due to injury and regression, the later I believe was Steelers1080 suggested is due in part to coaching.

Read an article a few weeks ago that detailed first/second rookie teams from this last draft. Frazier was first team and comment was that he might have been the best rookie OL in the league. McCormick was second team. Wilson was first team LB. That's pretty good considering we lost Fautanu and would have to think most view the 2023 draft very favorable even with Jones regression.

Now for some bad news. The Ravens are running circles around us in how they play the comp pick game. I believe Ravens are projected to have at least 4 comp picks and we gave them what is a projected 4th for the Queen signing. Read an article last week on how the Chargers GM, who was trained in Baltimore, covets comp picks and signs a lot of one year vet deals on idea they can get production for a year and a future comp pick. Steelers need to do better at this, and don't even get me started how we've got the longest tenured minority coach in the NFL history paired with a minority GM and yet they can't identify or recruit coaching/front office minority talent that anyone wants to promote. I despise this NFL rule, but it pains me to see teams like SF getting multiple thirds and we can't take advantage of it, ever.
 
Don't agree about JPJ. Dude had 12 penalties plus 3 declined which made him the highest flagged DB in the NFL.

I like Benton and Frazier, plus Payton and McCormich contributed. Troy and Roman cost a 1st and 3rd with zero return year one. Verdict is still out long term.

Jones as a 1st so far has been a bust until proven otherwise. Herbig was a high value pick and I liked the little I saw from Anderson. Trice and Washington have been roster fillers so far.

I would change my wording on the drafts to be average at best so far under Khan. I was a tad harsh, but I'm still not as impressed as others and feel he gets way too much hype.

Having said all that, it's still been an improvement over Colbert's last two drafts in 2021 and 2022.
 
While I tend to agree that Omar Khan receives too much hype, most of it centers around his draft picks. However, he has done a commendable job in filling out the roster. Despite overpaying Larry Ogunjobi in 2023 and trading for the past-his-prime receiver Allen Robinson, who was grossly overpaid, his efforts fell short in 2024. He was unable to make the wide receiver room the envy of the league, and Mike Williams didn't pan out as expected.
 
sm8680 said:
While I tend to agree that Omar Khan receives too much hype, most of it centers around his draft picks. However, he has done a commendable job in filling out the roster. Despite overpaying Larry Ogunjobi in 2023 and trading for the past-his-prime receiver Allen Robinson, who was grossly overpaid, his efforts fell short in 2024. He was unable to make the wide receiver room the envy of the league, and Mike Williams didn't pan out as expected.
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It was a big overpay for Mike Williams. Not sure what the thinking was there.
 
The Queen signing cost them way too much for what they got back in terms of on the field play. He's the 5th highest cap hit on the team for 2025. The Cordelle signing was ridiculous for 3mil a season, and contributed nothing for special teams. The 5th rounder for Williams was a mistake.

Khan gets a pass from too many, but he's only had 2 years at the helm and deserves some more time.
 
crushedspirit said:
The Queen signing cost them way too much for what they got back in terms of on the field play. He's the 5th highest cap hit on the team for 2025. The Cordelle signing was ridiculous for 3mil a season, and contributed nothing for special teams. The 5th rounder for Williams was a mistake.

Khan gets a pass from too many, but he's only had 2 years at the helm and deserves some more time.
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I think we (and the NFL) overestimated the new return rules' impact.
 
Cordarelle Patterson was looking good until he got injured. Then he fell off the cliff. He has 1 more year left on his contract. But the Steelers should move on from him.
MyCole Pruitt he should be a 1 and done guy.

Arthur Smith's 30 somethings took a spot from another player.

I knew the Steelers were in a bad way at the WR spot when Brandon Johnson suited up and played here and there.
Patrick Queen is not a big play guy. I didn't like the signing I still don't like it.
 
crushedspirit said:
The Queen signing cost them way too much for what they got back in terms of on the field play. He's the 5th highest cap hit on the team for 2025.
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I thought signing him was good business, smart business other then it got Baltimore a comp pick.

Felt like they did it after they wrapped up Wilson and Fields and knew they had a cheap QB room. Almost similar in how you handle things on a rookie QB contract and trying to maximize it.

His contract was always structured as a year to year type situation. He has no guarantees left, they can cut him and walk away having paid him $13.84 for one year of service, and I'd say that's got a good chance of happening.
 
crushedspirit said:
Khan needs to decide what to do with Minkah as well as his play seems to have fallen off a cliff. I wouldn't be against looking for some future draft capital.

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Fitzpatrick's been asked to play 20 freaking yards off the ball for two years. Its no wonder he isnt making plays. Doesnt make sense. Not like its helped stymie TEs either, thats for effing sure.

If thats what they want their FS doing, they may as well let him walk and and save 13 million. They can find someone to do that for a third of the cost.
 
5-ish Finkle said:
crushedspirit said:
Khan needs to decide what to do with Minkah as well as his play seems to have fallen off a cliff. I wouldn't be against looking for some future draft capital.

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Fitzpatrick's been asked to play 20 freaking yards off the ball for two years. Its no wonder he isnt making plays. Doesnt make sense. Not like its helped stymie TEs either, thats for effing sure.

If thats what they want their FS doing, they may as well let him walk and and save 13 million. They can find someone to do that for a third of the cost.
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Tomlin loves flexibility to move people around then sticks em where they aren’t as effective.

Minkah just turned 28 in November. Unlikely his talent has fallen off due to age. Tomlin has him playing a role that doesn’t suit his strengths.
 
Grid71 said:
5-ish Finkle said:
crushedspirit said:
Khan needs to decide what to do with Minkah as well as his play seems to have fallen off a cliff. I wouldn't be against looking for some future draft capital.

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Fitzpatrick's been asked to play 20 freaking yards off the ball for two years. Its no wonder he isnt making plays. Doesnt make sense. Not like its helped stymie TEs either, thats for effing sure.

If thats what they want their FS doing, they may as well let him walk and and save 13 million. They can find someone to do that for a third of the cost.
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Tomlin loves flexibility to move people around then sticks em where they aren’t as effective.

Minkah just turned 28 in November. Unlikely his talent has fallen off due to age. Tomlin has him playing a role that doesn’t suit his strengths.
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seems out of necessity though due to weak CBs, no?
 
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