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2025 College Football Thread: Akron recruiter scoffs when player mentions maybe wanting to go to Penn State (37 Viewers)
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GregR
Footballguy
Penn State made the National Championship semi-finals a year ago.
The scandal came out when they were like, 4 years old.
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
I think your obsession with PSU is bordering on unhealthy.
General Malaise
Footballguy
And they fired their coach before the next season was over. What a "legacy program"!
Tell me, what do you remember most from their semi-final run season? Losing to Oregon in the Big 10 championship, losing to Ohio State (again), losing to Notre Dame or beating Boise State?
You know who wasn't 4 years old when the child rape and cover-up scandal dominated headlines? Their parents.
This program is serious doodoo. Hate to see it.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Isn't he just reporting facts in a thread devoted to college football?
GregR
Footballguy
Parents weren't 4 years old... but player's parents didn't stop Penn State from having top 20 recruiting classes for years now. 15th last year. 13th the year before. 6th the year before that.
To say Penn State is in a deep hole right now because of Franklin's firing, I would completely agree with. And it would be hard to argue against since some of his 2025 recruits decommitted and are following Franklin to Virginia Tech.
But it doesn't make much sense the Paterno scandals would suddenly be playing some huge factor again when they haven't for some time now.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Y'all I'm in my 30s and I don't ever think of Penn State as an important program or blue blood.
Programs I think are prestigious football Blue bloods, in no particular order:
Oklahoma
Texas
Ohio St
Michigan
USC
Oregon
Alabama
Georgia
Notre Dame
Then probably also
Miami
LSU
Clemson
Florida State
Capella
Footballguy
My what?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Penn State had a dynamic coach who was a great recruiter. Now he's gone and Penn State has......nothing now in place to succeed him. And Franklin just had a pretty good day at another university.
You know who holds a grudge against Penn State and Joe Paterno turning a blind eye to child rape? Karma.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
He seems to gave been a powerful engine for their recruiting for both WR's and in Florida which is obviously an important market. Good fit for him and good hire for the school.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think the social media stuff is more about Chad Bowden and his team than Riley. As much as I despise USC, if you can't recruit there then you can't recruit period. They have money, they have L.A., they have amazing talent of coeds, and I suppose there is somewhat of a legacy and brand too if you are into that sort of poo. They pretty much own SoCal and can certainly recruit big gets outside of there as well. That all said, you can't get a top recruiting class if the HC isn't on top of things and putting in the effort regardless if all the boxes are checked.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
They did pretty good recruiting recently under Franklin. Is it as big of a brand as it was for us older guys? No. But it still has some power... or at least did. It will be interesting to see what they do in the portal but they need to finalize their HC now. Either go get Dabol or make Terry Smith the new HC but do it now.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
If the Steelers are dumb enough to let him go then my Raiders better go get him or I will riot.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I mean, that is a noteworthy and interesting point to bring up. Penn State should never recruiting there. It just highlights the stumble they have had after firing Franklin.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Just a kid.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Obsession.
It means you have an extreme focus on something that is mentally unhealthy.
culdeus
Footballguy
Michigan State has been more relevant in my lifetime. They are basically the Texas A&M of the big 10. Can't beat rival schools and rarely win a big game anyone cares about.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think there is tiers to this. Top Tier:
Alabama
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
USC
Michigan
Texas
Second Tier (sometimes called 'new bloods'):
Oregon
Georgia
Miami
Florida St
LSU
Clemson
Bubble schools that were blue bloods but kind of on the outside looking in:
Nebraska
Penn St
Tenn
Michigan St
That is how I see it at least.
Jayded
Footballguy
One of the quotes I saw lately fits this better than many realize. As you are alluding to, part of this involves sustaining a brand over time so it retains status.
Brian Kelly kept being talked up as saving ND football when he was there. Lots of disagreement amongst fans on that one. But the quote I heard no one disagrees with - “Marcus Freeman made ND cool again.”
He’s winning more than Kelly ever did, but his real magic is he revived the cool factor for today’s athlete towards ND. Today they tied for signing the most five star players and had a top 2-3 class. The 2027 class might be better too. Freeman revived the “it” factor.
Jayded
Footballguy
Something I’ve not seen anyone discuss here but I promise is big news on ND sites - the ACC’s behavior towards ND is really incredible.
Remember, ND is in the conference for all but football but they also have a football agreement. The ACC could have chosen many ways to handle this, one of which could have been “ND and Miami should both be in” but instead have chosen outright war with ND.
They are replaying the opening game 13 times this week in pettiness like a petulant child stomping his feet, and especially so when you consider there is a contractual relationship here.
The temperature is really rising at ND and all of this social media evidence could really bite the ACC. There’s plenty of smoke about how much this changes ND’s opinion about their relationship and this could be a major fracturing point. We’ll see, but the ACC couldn’t be handling this worse.
Remember, ND is in the conference for all but football but they also have a football agreement. The ACC could have chosen many ways to handle this, one of which could have been “ND and Miami should both be in” but instead have chosen outright war with ND.
They are replaying the opening game 13 times this week in pettiness like a petulant child stomping his feet, and especially so when you consider there is a contractual relationship here.
The temperature is really rising at ND and all of this social media evidence could really bite the ACC. There’s plenty of smoke about how much this changes ND’s opinion about their relationship and this could be a major fracturing point. We’ll see, but the ACC couldn’t be handling this worse.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
And there is the fact that the ACC has fallen so very badly. If it keeps stumbling as it has then it could end up like the PAC12.
But here is the thing that I always think is funny about the non-stop whining about ND joining a conference. Ok... so they join ACC... they have a much better road to make the playoffs every year as they would have to add a couple more ACC teams to their schedule... likely dropping their SOS.... and then being the favorite to win the ACC championship every year. It would end up biting the haters in the rear end, and let's be honest, it is the haters that bring the conference thing up like a broken record. Then the haters would just sing the same song but chance the lyrics into "yea, but they play in the ACC".
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Leave then. ND has always been a big baby when it doesn’t get its way. I really don’t understand why the p4 schools even play them. ND won’t be able to bully the big ten if they try.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Clemson had no trouble beating Alabama on its way to a couple of titles. In the playoff era you aren’t winning a natty without beating multiple great teams. ND has never given a flip about the ACC.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
They don't care about the ACC or the SEC or B10... because the conferences can not offer them anything in return to joining other than shutting the whiners up. There is zero benefit and a whole lot of negatives to joining any conference for football. I was just pointing out that the whining about joining is just something that haters can throw at ND and it would just change if they did fully join the ACC with football along with all their other sports.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Bullied Purdue, USC, Indiana and Penn St last year.
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
What are we on now, the third, maybe fourth title change knocking Penn State? I get the funny, but it just seems like you have some kind of a grudge. Turn the page, dude.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Penn State has done it to themselves. There is no program that is worthy of mockery right now than PSU. I don't think he is obsessed, I think he has his thumb on the pulse. You must be a PSU fan for it to get to you like it is.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Notre Dame isn’t a member of the conference for football; Miami is. Why the hell wouldn’t they advocate for Miami over ND? If ND and their fans don’t like it then feel free to leave the conference in other sports. You guys aren’t gods gift to football.
And yes, the ACC will go the way of the PAC10 eventually but not advocating for one of your member schools and getting shut out gets you there faster, IMO.
Capella
Footballguy
Buddy I’ve made like 15 thread titles about Florida State, a school I graduated from and a lot of my money has gone to. Penn State is recruiting behind Montana State. You’re hitting the thread title.
Capella
Footballguy
ACC has to do what’s best for its survival here. If Miami gets left out or the ACC gets left out altogether that’s extremely bad for the conference. Notre dame never fully committed to the ACC, their basketball and baseball teams aren’t helping anything. Sure when they play Miami or FSU in football that pops big ratings but that helps both sides.
I don’t think many people realize how bad this could get for the ACC if they are totally left out Sunday.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
They have no ties to the ACC when it comes to football. Why should the ACC have an opinion one way or the other about ND?
Jayded
Footballguy
The difference is that ND IS a member of the conference contractually for all other sports (well most, other than hockey, etc.) AND football. They aren't a full member, but they are in a contractual relationship. I think that's what people aren't understanding.
If you have a contract with someone and then openly advocate against them, it's not a great look.
If you have a contract with someone and then openly advocate against them, it's not a great look.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Not even remotely what I meant. You’re the worst bandwagon sidewalk fan that exists.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
They are advocating for a full member. They aren’t advocating against someone that only has a Scheduling agreement.
Jayded
Footballguy
Disagree. Look at their official accounts pushing specifically against ND.
What I'm saying is there isn't one way to handle this. ACC could choose to push the narrative of ND and Miami in over OU/Bama/Ole Miss and the SEC having many teams in to ACC's potential 0. They could push Miami as playoff worthy without singling any one opponent. But they're openly targeted a team they have a relationship with in most sports, including football.
Capella
Footballguy
I totally understand Notre Dame’s relationship to the ACC lol. The ACC is doing what it has to do here. Nobody cares about Notre Dame basketball or soccer or anything else. Notre Dame could have secured the ACC as a big-3 conference if they signed on and they didn’t (and they shouldn’t have, conference leadership is a dumpster fire). So this is where it is.
Jayded
Footballguy
I'll drop it after this, but agree to disagree on this one.
It's not asking for protection (for football). It's weird that there is any relationship, including football, and having such a heavy hand against that school. They don't have to prop ND up. I'm just surprised they are openly targeting them while there is a contractual relationship (for football and other sports). It'd be like me going after one of my contractors at work publicly for an award over an FTE. I can say the FTE is worthy of the award without having to specifically blast my contractor (and then wonder why the contractor might go - uhh whatcha doing there?)
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
They beat ND head to head and that's the closest team to Miami in the rankings. Why would they target Ole Miss?
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Unless that contract includes football, there's no problem. They owe ND nothing. You have your independence. This is part of it. Is the hook here allegedly scheduling or something?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You are super nice. Love you.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Stepping stone job. A couple of good seasons there and he will be in high demand.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Technically it does include football as they are obligated to schedule 5 ACC games per year for football as part of the deal.
Capella
Footballguy
I get what you’re saying and we don’t have to drop it because two sides can be right but in my viewpoint the ACC is fighting for its survival here and Notre Dame could have prevented that so I see why there is bitterness on both sides. I’m not an ACC ‘fan’, being a fan of any conference is kind of stupid but I never got the deal they made. You get Notre Dame for everything except the one thing that matters? Who cares?
Meanwhile the ACC already has one foot out the door for relevancy and if they get nobody in Sunday it could be catastrophic for them.
Capella
Footballguy
Right but they aren’t part of the conference for football.
