Capella
Footballguy
Will cost even more not to do it. Hopefully fsu is paying attention.
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2025 College Football Thread: James Franklin decides losing big games wasn’t quite enough (11 Viewers)
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bagger
Footballguy
Your QB doesn’t even throw for 60% completion rate. You can’t think that’s good. There was zero threat by Michigan for any ball downfield to exploit USC’s terrible secondary. Sorry, it seem pretty obvious to me but maybe you like him so hopefully he develops into what you want him to be.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Wow... they said "it's worth it to not see his face anymore"
If they fired hom after this year it went down to $40 something million
massraider
Footballguy
If Indiana is top 3 in the poll this week, it'll be first time in program history. Sweet
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
All good, just making sure i didn't miss anything. Something tells me he'll be just fine, but only time will tell.Your QB doesn’t even throw for 60% completion rate. You can’t think that’s good. There was zero threat by Michigan for any ball downfield to exploit USC’s terrible secondary. Sorry, it seem pretty obvious to me but maybe you like him so hopefully he develops into what you want him to be.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Not a Michigan fan, but I think this coaching staff holds back Underwood.
No question and it's so predictable that I can call the plays from my chair. It's so ****ing frustrating.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Sandusky on the short list?
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I'm trying not to get frustrated just yet, but next year they gotta let the kid cook. Every single advantage he presents, including his damn legs has to be utilized and whatever the reason they're holding him back he better be full gas on 11/29. 2,143 days and counting since Michigan lost one of those and playing like last night isn't going to keep that going.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Cignetti to Penn St ?
I'm sure there will be talk. Several people that know more than me think he's too old at 64. Doesn't seem to be holding him back right now though.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Don't worry you can have Smith back soon. He won't be long for East Lansing.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
I wouldn’t wish that garbage on anyone.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I'm sure there will be talk. Several people that know more than me think he's too old at 64. Doesn't seem to be holding him back right now though.
I don't think they believe age is slowing him down as much as they are worried about how long he will be there. Which would be ironic since Paterno coached until he was 85.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He did very well at Oregon State. He reminds me of Rich Rodriguez. Not everyone is made to coach at every stop.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
He went 34-35 overall and 23-29 in conference. Not very well at all. He was MSUs 2nd or 3rd choice.
massraider
Footballguy
Current favorite for PSU opening: Matt Rhule
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I agree about being a secondary choice, but that is very good for the Oregon State squad he took over. Curt Cignetti to IU is r a really rare.
WDIK2
Footballguy
Not just for selfish reasons, but I just don't see it. Maybe if Rhule was tearing it up at Nebraska, but he is just over .500
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I dunno. $49M buys a lot of players.
Insein
Footballguy
If the coach can't coach them, what's the point? And it's a college. They have the money.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Yeah, that would likely give ND their only quality win.
Looks like ND is favored by 7.5. Interested in laying the points?
Aren't they 5-1 and Rhule has them back in the top 25?
Osaurus
Footballguy
He's 16-14 overall iirc
Capella
Footballguy
That’s not a fair way to ever look at a CFB coach taking over a rebuild.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Cignetti will definitively be there on 11/8. Maybe he'll take the JMU kids with him again. I'm really enjoying following one of my flag football kids who committed at JMU, followed him to Indiana, and is already making an impact on the D-Line as a sophomore. My son is at PSU and at this point is looking more forward to that Indiana game to watch Mario than PSU.
I'm sure there will be talk. Several people that know more than me think he's too old at 64. Doesn't seem to be holding him back right now though.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I saw a crazy tweet that basically said, 15 days ago, PSU was 3-0, #2 in the country, and 7 points up on Oregon in OT....and now they're 3-3, and 0-3 in conference play, unranked, just fired their HC, and lost their starting QB for the year. That's gotta be amongst the wildest weeks ever...
With that said, as a PSU alum, I'll say it was time for Franklin to go. I was much later to get on that band wagon than many of my friends, but I got there after the Oregon game. I feel awful for Allar, who came back to try and win a championship while throwing to portal pick-ups and 3 star recruits at WR in a run-first offense. I appreciate his loyalty to PSU, but I feel bad for the kid. He was never set up to succeed.
Insein
Footballguy
Seriously. Nebraska not only didn't have a winning record in 6 seasons before he got there. They didn't even have more than 5 wins in any of those seasons. He's managed to turn them around in 3 years to bring top 25. Rhule is a great college coach.
heckmanm
Footballguy
Cignetti's contract has a $10m buyout if he left for another program, so add that to Franklin's $50m (along with $700m for the stadium renovation)
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Yeah that seems disingenuous to claim he's a 500 coach. He's clearly made that program a lot better in year 3 from where it was when he took over.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I doubt that stops PSU or Cignetti from moving forward if they both want it to happen. Cig is a western PA guy and a winner and this would be his last stepping stone, IMO.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Can you imagine how good JMU would be if he had stayed there? Half these Indiana starters the last two years either played there or were committed there. They would be steamrolling the Sun Belt and in playoff contention.Cignetti will definitively be there on 11/8. Maybe he'll take the JMU kids with him again. I'm really enjoying following one of my flag football kids who committed at JMU, followed him to Indiana, and is already making an impact on the D-Line as a sophomore. My son is at PSU and at this point is looking more forward to that Indiana game to watch Mario than PSU.
I'm sure there will be talk. Several people that know more than me think he's too old at 64. Doesn't seem to be holding him back right now though.
massraider
Footballguy
Cignetti is such a great story at Indiana, it's not fun to think about him getting poached to go to a PSU, but he has to wonder what he could do with the PSU resources behind him.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I could see it from Rhule's perspective if he can cash in on a decent start and still having more of a name brand than he should.
bigbottom
Footballguy
This is where I am. He is literally making history at Indiana with a shot at a national championship.
heckmanm
Footballguy
And no JoePa shadow to deal with at IU.
Besides, despite being from western PA, he has more ties to Pitt and WV than to PSU
General Malaise
Footballguy
Boy, I get the feeling he isn't held in high regard over there. In-laws are in town and not too pleased with J. Smith. He's a good coach but it doesn't seem to be working for him in Michigan.
General Malaise
Footballguy
The numbers don't tell the whole story. Oregon State is a very difficult place to have coaching success because the resources just aren't there, it's not located in a fertile recruiting area and the next door neighbor has far more donors willing to spend money and a marketing brand that's tops in the country. 23-29 in conference when it was the Pac12 (pretty loaded at the time, just look at the number of players in the NFL) is a remarkable achievement for Oregon State.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Cignetti will definitively be there on 11/8. Maybe he'll take the JMU kids with him again. I'm really enjoying following one of my flag football kids who committed at JMU, followed him to Indiana, and is already making an impact on the D-Line as a sophomore. My son is at PSU and at this point is looking more forward to that Indiana game to watch Mario than PSU.
I'm sure there will be talk. Several people that know more than me think he's too old at 64. Doesn't seem to be holding him back right now though.
I like that I spent the entire game believing that Cignetti's offensive coordinator was absolutely related to Mike Shanahan by birth since they have the same name.
Nope. No relation at all.
I would expect Penn State could/would go to financial compensation Indiana would not. But I don't know that.
Insights there?
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
He may have done OK in the PAC12 back in the day, but he is not cut out for the B1G. Yea, it's only year 2, but the trajectory of success at MSU isn't there and I don't see it changing in the future. He's way outmatched in this league.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Back in the day? So like, 2 years ago? Did they even have color TVs back then?
He may be outmatched currently, but let's not pretend the Big Ten was light years ahead of the Pac 12 in 2023. Yes, Michigan won it all beating a team from the Pac 12 but it's not like Jonathan Smith was coaching Liberty or in the Sun Belt. The Pac 12 was really good in 2023, just look at the NFL draft from 2024....8 first round picks including Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, Bo Nix, Rome Odunze.
Smith may not work out for Michigan State but it's not a 'league's too big for him' thing. IMO.
WDIK2
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong, I like Rhule and would prefer he stayed at Nebraska. PSU just fired a guy that couldn't win the big games (plus losing the last 2 head-scratchers). Rhule is 2-23 career versus ranked opponents. Does that sound like someone that would get them over the hump? I think it is kind of bad timing for Rhule and Penn State. In a few years if Nebraska is cracking the top ten and threatening for a playoff spot, then sure.
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WDIK2
Footballguy
Nebraska was ranked number 22 last year after 3 games and finished 7-6.
Thanks. That's how I saw it.
General Malaise
Footballguy
GM's Top 20 - Oct. 13, 2025 - Shake-up City
1. Ohio State - Disposed of Illinois rather easily, looking much the best currently.
2. Indiana - This win was no fluke, they manhandled Oregon on the road. Overtakes Idol Miami for #2 this week.
3. Miami - There's really nothing standing in this team's way now. Should coast to the playoffs and get a bye.
4. Texas A&M - Rocking and rolling teams right now. At LSU in two weeks. HUGE game. Don't overlook Petrino's Razorbacks.
5. Ole Miss - Boy, Lane Kiffin almost barfed this one up to a lowly Wazzou team. Looking forward to Georgia, perhaps?
6. Texas Tech - Been saying it all season, this team is loaded and legit.
7. Alabama - That loss to Florida State seems like ancient history. Hats off to Mizzou.
8. Georgia - SEC is just silly good when Georgia is its 4th best team currently.
9. LSU - And even sillier when LSU is 5th best.
10. Oregon - Just abandoned the vertical passing game and got outclassed and outcoached by Indiana at home. Travel to Rutgers and we'll see how or even if they can rebound.
11. Tennessee - The fired coach effect seemed to galvanize Arkansas but the Vols held them off and go to Alabama next in what should be a thrilling game.
12. Georgia Tech - What sort of efforts are being made to retain Coach Key? Whatever they are, they should triple them.
13. Notre Dame - Obliterated NC State and the defense has found its footing.
14. BYU - Number of undefeated teams is dwindling rapidly. This is one of them at 6-0. Holy War next and it should be terrific.
15. Oklahoma - Missed this game entirely but I wonder how healthy Mateer was. 3 interceptions on the day seemed out of character, though Texas has some studs on D.
16. Missouri - Good team that can right itself against Auburn.
17. Virginia - How in the world did this team lose to North Carolina State?
18. USC - Statement win over Michigan. Lone hope to derail Notre Dame.
19. Texas - Quality win over OU, time to string some wins together.
20. Vanderbilt - Hosting LSU, so this ranking may not last, but they've earned it so far.
Dropping Out:
Michigan - Didn't see too much of this one, but gosh it's nice to see two blue bloods square off in LA in traditional uniforms. I think Michigan is good but not good enough to crack the top 20 this week.
Illinois - Another team that's decent but not good enough to beat the teams above them.
Just Missed:
Memphis - My pick for the G5 playoff team at the moment.
South Florida - The other G5 potential playoff team, Beat the brakes off a previously undefeated North Texas team.
Utah - Manhandled Arizona State and can crack the Top 20 if they beat BYU.
Nebraska - Well look at this! Matt Rhule can coach!
Cincinnati - Shuke's happy, I'm happy.
1. Ohio State - Disposed of Illinois rather easily, looking much the best currently.
2. Indiana - This win was no fluke, they manhandled Oregon on the road. Overtakes Idol Miami for #2 this week.
3. Miami - There's really nothing standing in this team's way now. Should coast to the playoffs and get a bye.
4. Texas A&M - Rocking and rolling teams right now. At LSU in two weeks. HUGE game. Don't overlook Petrino's Razorbacks.
5. Ole Miss - Boy, Lane Kiffin almost barfed this one up to a lowly Wazzou team. Looking forward to Georgia, perhaps?
6. Texas Tech - Been saying it all season, this team is loaded and legit.
7. Alabama - That loss to Florida State seems like ancient history. Hats off to Mizzou.
8. Georgia - SEC is just silly good when Georgia is its 4th best team currently.
9. LSU - And even sillier when LSU is 5th best.
10. Oregon - Just abandoned the vertical passing game and got outclassed and outcoached by Indiana at home. Travel to Rutgers and we'll see how or even if they can rebound.
11. Tennessee - The fired coach effect seemed to galvanize Arkansas but the Vols held them off and go to Alabama next in what should be a thrilling game.
12. Georgia Tech - What sort of efforts are being made to retain Coach Key? Whatever they are, they should triple them.
13. Notre Dame - Obliterated NC State and the defense has found its footing.
14. BYU - Number of undefeated teams is dwindling rapidly. This is one of them at 6-0. Holy War next and it should be terrific.
15. Oklahoma - Missed this game entirely but I wonder how healthy Mateer was. 3 interceptions on the day seemed out of character, though Texas has some studs on D.
16. Missouri - Good team that can right itself against Auburn.
17. Virginia - How in the world did this team lose to North Carolina State?
18. USC - Statement win over Michigan. Lone hope to derail Notre Dame.
19. Texas - Quality win over OU, time to string some wins together.
20. Vanderbilt - Hosting LSU, so this ranking may not last, but they've earned it so far.
Dropping Out:
Michigan - Didn't see too much of this one, but gosh it's nice to see two blue bloods square off in LA in traditional uniforms. I think Michigan is good but not good enough to crack the top 20 this week.
Illinois - Another team that's decent but not good enough to beat the teams above them.
Just Missed:
Memphis - My pick for the G5 playoff team at the moment.
South Florida - The other G5 potential playoff team, Beat the brakes off a previously undefeated North Texas team.
Utah - Manhandled Arizona State and can crack the Top 20 if they beat BYU.
Nebraska - Well look at this! Matt Rhule can coach!
Cincinnati - Shuke's happy, I'm happy.
My Aggies (Vols are my first team but Aggies are second) with why it's so dumb to be in the SEC. Not just LSU and Arkansas ahead. But South Carolina, Missouri and Texas still left.
Where Miami and Indiana don't face a single ranked opponent to finish.
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