2025 Detroit Lions: 7-5 Pack beat Lions again. :( (105 Viewers)

[Cowboysfan8]

Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites.

So were the eagles and chiefs fwiw

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites.

So were the eagles and chiefs fwiw

True in the short term but overall favorites do win more than underdogs.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Thielen released. Wants to play with a contender in his final year.

Wouldn't mind him here.

I’m increasingly coming around to the view that when teams tell us a player is washed, we should believe them.

Look at Tim Patrick. When Detroit traded him, I assumed it must have been because they saw something in TeSlaa. But that clearly wasn't the case, since they've barely used him. Then I look at what he's done in Jacksonville, even with all their WR injuries, and I think the Lions just realized there was nothing left there.

But sure, if they want to give him a shot while ARSB is out and see if he can beat out Kennedy, go for it

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Terrion out for season. Ugh

 

[Moonlight]

I've been clear that I'm not particularly optimistic about this season. I think there are definitely some roster issues that need to be addressed, and maybe some strategic adjustments as well.

But man, some of the negativity I'm seeing out there (not talking about anyone in this thread) is ridiculous. This is still a very good football team, Holmes is still a very good GM, and Campbell is still a very good coach. I was worried coming into this year that the window may be closing, but now I'm not so sure. Who are they going to lose? Most of the important pieces are locked up already. Not sure what's going on with Morton, but if Campbell did make a mistake, I trust him to fix it the same way he did after hiring Anthony Lynn.

Things change quickly in the NFL, and if you have a strong core all it takes is a few good decisions to turn things around. Look at the Eagles. Made the Super Bowl in '22, completely fell apart down the stretch in '23, and looked mediocre the first few weeks of '24 before everything fell into place.

I'm not saying the Lions will definitely do that, but I'm actually feeling way less existential dread than I thought I would considering the way this season has gone

Good job

 

[msudaisy26]

Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites.

So were the eagles and chiefs fwiw

True in the short term but overall favorites do win more than underdogs.

Exactly and it is very odd to me that as bad as the Lions have been for the last 6 weeks and as good as the Cowboys have been that they are still a field goal favorite.

 

[Payne]

Thielen released. Wants to play with a contender in his final year.

Wouldn't mind him here.

I’m increasingly coming around to the view that when teams tell us a player is washed, we should believe them.

Look at Tim Patrick. When Detroit traded him, I assumed it must have been because they saw something in TeSlaa. But that clearly wasn't the case, since they've barely used him. Then I look at what he's done in Jacksonville, even with all their WR injuries, and I think the Lions just realized there was nothing left there.

But sure, if they want to give him a shot while ARSB is out and see if he can beat out Kennedy, go for it

Don't think this is about him being washed. He requested a release because this is his last year and he wanted to play for a contender.
The Vikings issues a statement granting him his wish.

And he's better than whatever we have now.

 

[Da Guru]

I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

Terrion out for season. Ugh

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

 

[TartanLion]

I basically hold out almost no hope we will beat Dallas on Thursday, but I’m calm about it. Just feels like an off year for a few reasons - double coordinator loss, Ragnow post draft retiring, tough schedule. Injuries will always happen it’s just whether it’s to key personnel or historically bad like last year which did ruin a situation that I think WAS our year. Dallas also has momentum.

We have a good core signed up. I think off season if we can FA/draft O-line to get it back to where it was previously then most of the rest will slot into place. We have the good infrastructure now where there should be less fluctuation from season to season ala other good organisations like Eagles/Chiefs/Ravens etc and they all have their down years as well.

Being told Ragnow is returning for him not to return is worse than him just staying retired. Will have been a gut punch to the players as well.

Maybe if he gets that hammy right he’ll come back next season

 

[msudaisy26]

I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

Terrion out for season. Ugh

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.

 

[Da Guru]

I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

Terrion out for season. Ugh

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.

Holmes took some flyers on Martin and Teslaa, 6 picks for those 2 players that did not pan out. Martin is gone and hopefully Teslaa who has not shown much will contribute eventually.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

Terrion out for season. Ugh

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.

I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing

 

[msudaisy26]

I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

Terrion out for season. Ugh

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.

I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing

Those are great questions and I don't think we will ever know the answer. What the NFL should do is expand rosters to 60ish, add a round or two to the draft and up the salary cap to fit them in without lowering what current players make. Then we will see less guys off the street and more guys that have been in the building, know the playbook, and are in shape.

 

[FairWarning]

Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites.

So were the eagles and chiefs fwiw

True in the short term but overall favorites do win more than underdogs.

I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

Terrion out for season. Ugh

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.

I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing

Some interesting questions, I think it could coaching philosophy. Besides the teams mentioned, you can add the Bears. I think the biggest problems for the players are Thursday nights, and bye-week scheduling. It’s week 14 and two teams are just getting their bye. Teams do sit a lot of players on the Sunday before a Thursday if the Amazon game is a division rival.

 

[Da Guru]

Kick the tires on Big Play Slay??

 

[Moonlight]

I am feeling optimistic about the Dallas game this week. Vegas generally (not always) knows more than us. The Lions are three point favorites. I feel like this is a must win game. Lose here and the season is over because we don't own any tie breakers right now except against the Bears.

It is a must win game. SF and Seattle keep winning.

Terrion out for season. Ugh

I don`t have the actual stats, but does it seem the Lions have more injuries that cause missed games than most teams the last couple of seasons?

Arnold, Reid, Joseph, McNeil, Hutch, Branch, Rakestraw, Decker, Glasgow, LaPorta, Paschal, Raymond, Vaki, Davenport, Rodrigo, Anzalone, Barnes, Onwuzurike, Reader, Wright.

This is just off the top of my head. There are probably more.

Off the top of my head the Bucs have to be up there, the Texans, Chargers and 49ers.

I feel like it has been an abnormal year, but the Lions don't stand out as above everyone else.

It also speaks to their depth. Spending all these third and fourth round picks on projects instead of the depth players they need.

I do feel like there have been a ton on injuries across the league this year. I play in a league with IR slots and not only have both slots been filled pretty much every week this year, I've usually had additional guys on my bench who were also out (I think the high for a single week was five). Never remember that happening in that league before.

That said, I've always wondered whether injuries are a "sticky" stat for teams. Like are some better at training and recovery than others? I know Campbell is famous for his intense practices; does that play a role?

Would be interesting to see if the next wave of football analytics focuses on training and injury prevention rather than in-game decision making. If a team could figure out a way to keep players healthier it would be a huge competitive advantage. Obviously there will always be some injuries you can't prevent (eg, Hutch's broken leg last year). But certainly soft-tissue injuries, concussions, and maybe certain kinds of repetitive stress injuries could be something teams can work on reducing

That’s an interesting thought. Practice habits, playing field type, medical approaches may be factors. Or is just luck?
It seems that many of on field injuries are related to collisions with or getting rolled up by players on your own team.
Hutch’s and St. Brown’s injuries come to mind for this.
Perhaps players aren’t as prepared to avoid them.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Kick the tires on Big Play Slay??

If you don't claim him on waivers he's coming back to Philly.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Kick the tires on Big Play Slay??

Had the same thought. I have no idea if he still has anything left, but they could certainly use help at the position. Plus would be a nice full-circle moment after Patricia ran him out of town

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Speaking of Patricia, I was thinking that one silver lining of him building college football's best defense is that it might convince a dumb NFL team to give him another shot, a la Chip Kelly. Would love to see that guy flop on the the biggest stage yet again

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Kick the tires on Big Play Slay??

Had the same thought. I have no idea if he still has anything left, but they could certainly use help at the position. Plus would be a nice full-circle moment after Patricia ran him out of town

And ... Bills claimed him