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2025 Detroit Lions: Game 1 Lions vs Packers. (33 Viewers)

Born under a bad sign when you can't even get to game one.

There’s no such thing as a curse or being cursed.

Right?
Bobby Layne would know.

My wife (11 weeks today) has been learning about the Lions the last few years, and ran across a podcast that was making jokes about the curse of Bobby Layne.

"Hold on.The curse started when Bobby Layne was traded against his will? So wouldn't it be broken now? We traded Stafford when he asked - he got his Super Bowl ring - it's over."

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Born under a bad sign when you can't even get to game one.

There’s no such thing as a curse or being cursed.

Right?
Bobby Layne would know.

My wife (11 weeks today) has been learning about the Lions the last few years, and ran across a podcast that was making jokes about the curse of Bobby Layne.

"Hold on.The curse started when Bobby Layne was traded against his will? So wouldn't it be broken now? We traded Stafford when he asked - he got his Super Bowl ring - it's over."

:love:

Don`t taint her with the past. Tell your wife the Lions are an expansion team that is doing pretty good for just starting out.
 
Don`t taint her with the past. Tell your wife the Lions are an expansion team that is doing pretty good for just starting out.

She ain't FOB bruh. NFL fan, just never paid any attention to the Lions. Why would anyone lol?

But we're America's team after Hard Knocks now, right?
 
Levi Onwuzurike to IR (4 weeks)

RB Justin Jackson and LB Anthony Pittman elevated to the 53 man

May never happen for Levi. Back injury limited his TC last year and all of the OTA to Preseason period. Played 16 games last year, 396 snaps, PFF grade 43.2. Can't tell you how many articles and quotes I read between the end of the season and OTAs that talked about his work ethic. But when you can't get on the field...well, standard 4-year contract and this is Y2, but he's not going to develop without practice reps. I don't know the nature of his back injury or if surgery is an option, but rest / whatever they've been doing isn't working.

Hope he gets better in the next month but our 2nd Round Draft Choice record has been pretty spotty the last decade (except Swift.)
 

Offense​

Offense

Defense​

Defense

Special Teams​

Special Teams

INJURY REPORTS​

DETROIT LIONS

PlayerPositionInjuryWedThuFriGame Status
Tommy KraemerGBackDNPDNPDNPOut
Levi OnwuzurikeDTBackDNPDNPDNPOut
Ifeatu MelifonwuSAFHamstringLPLPLPDoubtful
Julian OkwaraLBHamstringLPLPLPQuestionable
Frank RagnowCGroinLPDNPLPQuestionable
Chris BoardLBKneeLPFPFP(-)
John CominskyDEIllnessDNPFPFP(-)
Austin SeibertKRight GroinLPFPFP(-)

PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

PlayerPositionInjuryWedThuFriGame Status
Derek BarnettDERibsLPFPFP(-)
Javon HargraveNTToeLPFPFP(-)
Miles SandersRBHamstringFPFPFP(-)
Josiah ScottCBHamstringLPLPFP(-)
 
Hock had 11 targets and 10-89-0 in last year's 44-6 blowout
I'll take that stat line all day. Thanks.

How do you see the Philly WRs doing against the Lions?

Who knows. Really depends on whether Aidan Hutchinson wreaks havoc in his first game.

The Lions struggled last year to stop the run, and especially had trouble with running QBs. Bad, bad LB corps. Hopefully 1-tech DT Alim McNeil continues his progression and rookie ILB Malcolm Rodrigues displays his read-n-react instinctual ability. But rn, all I can say is I hope…

To your question, Amani can-never-spell-the-Nigerian-names is a ball hawk on one corner, 3rd year pro Jeff Okudah (Achilles Wk 1 a year ago) and Will Harris is this years slot corner - new position, former S. The latter two have been bottom of the PFF grade pile the last few years. The DBs might have a chance if they generate pressure. Most experts say our back 4 are terrible, and statistically it’s hard to argue.
 
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Levi Onwuzurike to IR (4 weeks)

RB Justin Jackson and LB Anthony Pittman elevated to the 53 man

May never happen for Levi. Back injury limited his TC last year and all of the OTA to Preseason period. Played 16 games last year, 396 snaps, PFF grade 43.2. Can't tell you how many articles and quotes I read between the end of the season and OTAs that talked about his work ethic. But when you can't get on the field...well, standard 4-year contract and this is Y2, but he's not going to develop without practice reps. I don't know the nature of his back injury or if surgery is an option, but rest / whatever they've been doing isn't working.

Hope he gets better in the next month but our 2nd Round Draft Choice record has been pretty spotty the last decade (except Swift.)

Levi had a history of back issues in college as well. When you draft injured players you are rolling the dice.


I thought he was a reach to take in rd 2 after not playing in 2020 as did many pundits at the time. Hopefully he will come around,but I doubt he will contribute much this season.
 
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Levi Onwuzurike to IR (4 weeks)

RB Justin Jackson and LB Anthony Pittman elevated to the 53 man

May never happen for Levi. Back injury limited his TC last year and all of the OTA to Preseason period. Played 16 games last year, 396 snaps, PFF grade 43.2. Can't tell you how many articles and quotes I read between the end of the season and OTAs that talked about his work ethic. But when you can't get on the field...well, standard 4-year contract and this is Y2, but he's not going to develop without practice reps. I don't know the nature of his back injury or if surgery is an option, but rest / whatever they've been doing isn't working.

Hope he gets better in the next month but our 2nd Round Draft Choice record has been pretty spotty the last decade (except Swift.)

Levi had a history of back issues in college as well. When you draft injured playing you are rolling the dice.


I thought he was a reach to take in rd 2 after not playing in 2020 as did many pundits at the time. Hopefully he will come around,but I doubt he will contribute much this season.

Covid opt out. Penei and Ja’Marr Chase were also opt outs with no issue.

I loved him in college. Washington would have a 1-tech basically hold up the center/spy while Levi and Joe Tryon (Bucs, 32nd pick) collapsed the pocket - everyone else dropped off. Was hysterical to watch.

Backs are tricky. Hope it works out but I’m not hopeful for him. Really a shame bc he was putting in the work this off-season.
 
Levi Onwuzurike to IR (4 weeks)

RB Justin Jackson and LB Anthony Pittman elevated to the 53 man

May never happen for Levi. Back injury limited his TC last year and all of the OTA to Preseason period. Played 16 games last year, 396 snaps, PFF grade 43.2. Can't tell you how many articles and quotes I read between the end of the season and OTAs that talked about his work ethic. But when you can't get on the field...well, standard 4-year contract and this is Y2, but he's not going to develop without practice reps. I don't know the nature of his back injury or if surgery is an option, but rest / whatever they've been doing isn't working.

Hope he gets better in the next month but our 2nd Round Draft Choice record has been pretty spotty the last decade (except Swift.)

Levi had a history of back issues in college as well. When you draft injured playing you are rolling the dice.


I thought he was a reach to take in rd 2 after not playing in 2020 as did many pundits at the time. Hopefully he will come around,but I doubt he will contribute much this season.

Covid opt out. Penei and Ja’Marr Chase were also opt outs with no issue.

I loved him in college. Washington would have a 1-tech basically hold up the center/spy while Levi and Joe Tryon (Bucs, 32nd pick) collapsed the pocket - everyone else dropped off. Was hysterical to watch.

Backs are tricky. Hope it works out but I’m not hopeful for him. Really a shame bc he was putting in the work this off-season.

Yes, and it is a position of need right now as well.

Tailgating is out for today. Went to the Michigan game as my buddy hosts a big party..with the storm delay and even leaving in the second half we did not get home until after midnight.

Lots of drinking and my wife is pissed because she was the DD and everyone was pretty lit up. Daughter and her husband are not even up yet as we dropped them off at the pub by our home to meet friends and they got in around 2. At this point I really don`t want to go. Would much rather stay and watch it at home.
 
Just frigging terrible clock management by Campbell not once but twice at the end of half. First not letting clock run down to two minutes before running their next play. Next calling a timeout for the Eagles benefit with 54 seconds on the clock. He called it on second down. I can see taking a chance before third down but not there. Lions defense fortunately held Eagles to three but Eagles should not have had all that time to drive on them.
 
Defense still not up to it.

No, and thankfully Hurts missed some wide open plays too.

I know it is early for concern but I was at the game and focused on Hutch. Hutch was getting pushed around pretty good by the Eagles OL. Then in the open spaces he looked slower than I remember at Michigan. I know he will come around but I was hoping for a little more impact.

Goff played very good in second half, a couple drops hurt him.

Not sure why Campbell called for the onside kick that early in third right after a big score. Gave Philly great field position and they scored.
 
Defense still not up to it.

I want to say better in the fourth Q - certainly AG was dialing up more blitzes - but that could also be Sirianni turtling up a bit to bleed the clock. They didn't take shots then. For the first 40 minutes, they got zero sacks and gave up 8/11 on 3rd down.

5 drops. Two by ARSB, same number he had all of last year. Momentum killer by Josh Reynolds, was breaking clear for a big gainer/possible TD and Goff was on the money.

Dumber than dumb personal fouls on Alex Anzalone (away from the ball hits Hurts well after the ball is out) and Walker getting tossed, almost a spearing cheap shot when Hurts was getting tackled and downed. Those are veteran leaders and that's a lack of composure.

Only turnover was a pick six. Couldn't tell if that was Goff or Hock - it's a read option and somebody made a mistake. Short and intermediate Jared was accurate. Most of his deep intermediate and the 2-3 deep ball shots they took were 5 yards or more off target. It's a problem. He made nice throws (Chark TD) but just way too inconsistent.

Rodriguez looks like the real deal. My 44 jersey arrives Tuesday.

Lot of work to do. Good effort but considering it was home opener, SRO crowd, revenge for last year - it should be. But they were never really in it, the last 20 minutes Philly was just trying to manage to the clock. Eagles did enough, espe those couple runs on the first series of the last drive - had them stopped twice and didn't wrap up.

Good teams can close out and win games when they are less than perfect. We're not a good team. Played hard, but dang, gotta play smart too.
 
Defense still not up to it.

No, and thankfully Hurts missed some wide open plays too.

I know it is early for concern but I was at the game and focused on Hutch. Hutch was getting pushed around pretty good by the Eagles OL. Then in the open spaces he looked slower than I remember at Michigan. I know he will come around but I was hoping for a little more impact.

Goff played very good in second half, a couple drops hurt him.

Not sure why Campbell called for the onside kick that early in third right after a big score. Gave Philly great field position and they scored.

Yeah I noticed that. He was getting doubled almost every play but that comes with the territory. Let's keep in mind too that the Eagles are the consensus number one OL in the league.

Hopefully better days ahead for 97.
 
I thought our pressure on the QB and coverage was decent. It was the QB containment and tackling where we really fell apart.
Swift had a huge day running the ball. The WR had too many drops and Goff made some awful throws, but also made some good throws. I would grade our offense a B- and our defense I will be a bit generous and give them a C-. Lots of room for improvement. Tracey Walker and Okuda should not be our leading tackers.
 
Defense still not up to it.

No, and thankfully Hurts missed some wide open plays too.

I know it is early for concern but I was at the game and focused on Hutch. Hutch was getting pushed around pretty good by the Eagles OL. Then in the open spaces he looked slower than I remember at Michigan. I know he will come around but I was hoping for a little more impact.

Goff played very good in second half, a couple drops hurt him.

Not sure why Campbell called for the onside kick that early in third right after a big score. Gave Philly great field position and they scored.
Campbell decisions as head coach were at best questionable regarding clock mgt and the onside kick.
 
Defense still not up to it.

No, and thankfully Hurts missed some wide open plays too.

I know it is early for concern but I was at the game and focused on Hutch. Hutch was getting pushed around pretty good by the Eagles OL. Then in the open spaces he looked slower than I remember at Michigan. I know he will come around but I was hoping for a little more impact.

Goff played very good in second half, a couple drops hurt him.

Not sure why Campbell called for the onside kick that early in third right after a big score. Gave Philly great field position and they scored.
Campbell decisions as head coach were at best questionable regarding clock mgt and the onside kick.

The timeout at the end of the second half cost us three points. He was greedy, but it was an epic failure on defense. When you are down to scores in the 4th quarter, you should be in a hurry up offense. I am kind of OK with the inside kick. The defense did not really give anyone confidence we could get a stop.
 
Kyle Meinke (MLive) observations
  • The Lions (0-1) have now dropped five straight season openers, going without a Week 1 win since Sept. 10, 2017.
  • The run defense wasn’t very good last year, and awful in a 44-6 beatdown against Philadelphia. It was nearly as bad on Sunday, getting gashed for 216 yards.
  • Barry Sanders. That’s it. That was the list of Lions players who had run for 100 yards in a season opener in the last 50 years -- until Swift laced up his cleats on Sunday afternoon, that is. He ran for 144 yards and accounted for 175 yards from scrimmage overall, his best day as a pro. It was a nice statement from a guy who has been coached so hard this year.
  • The Lions invested heavily in their receiver unit over the last 12 months, adding outside speedsters like DJ Chark and Josh Reynolds to complement what Amon-Ra St. Brown can do in the slot. Those guys were so good in camp too, but struggled to do just about anything right for three quarters against Philadelphia. Chark was a nonfactor while dropping one pass and running the wrong route on another. Reynolds dropped a pass too. So did Jamaal Williams. Even St. Brown put one on the turf. You know you’re having a bad day when Amon-Ra St. Brown -- who caught 92 footballs without ever putting one on the ground as a rookie -- drops a pass.
  • Aidan Hutchinson, the second overall pick in the draft, was highly disruptive early in his Lions debut. But Hurts was able to twice evade his rush while moving the chains on the ground. In the end, Hutchinson struggled to make much of a difference, finishing with just one tackle and no quarterback hits. My take - did he generate pressure? Seems like that only came after they resorted to blitzing. Philly does have a great OL so let's wait n see, but was hoping for more impact.
  • Jeff Okudah earned the start in his return from the Achilles injury he suffered in last year’s season opener. He seemed to hold up well too, including breaking up a third-down pass for A.J. Brown, but also left the game in the second quarter because of cramps. Will Harris replaced him, and it didn’t take long for him to do Will Harris things, allowing a 54-yard catch by Brown that teed up a field goal.
  • Rookie sixth-round Malcolm Rodriguez started at middle linebacker, officially becoming the deepest Lions draft pick to win a job coming out of camp since 1987. Going from the 188th overall pick to a starting assignment in Week 1 says a lot about the guy, although mistakes were always inevitable too. And he made some against Philadelphia, including getting trapped inside when Jalen Hurts bounced a run outside on fourth-and-goal. Hurts scored without being touched. He had trouble getting off blocks as Philadelphia carved up Detroit on the ground. Rodriguez finished with six tackles, one of which was for loss.
  • Head coach Dan Campbell needed exactly one season to set the record for most fouth-down attempts in NFL history. He’s an aggressive guy, although there was some intrigue over just how aggressive he’d remain once Detroit returned to competitiveness. That call will have to wait until another day. For now, facing a series of double-digit deficits with no answers on defense, Campbell turned the dial back up to 11 against Philadelphia. He went for it once on fourth down -- which Swift turned into a 7-yard touchdown -- and also dialed up an onside kick in the third quarter. That backfired, as Philadelphia recovered the football an used the short field to score an easy touchdown that buried Detroit in a 38-21 hole.

    It’s smart to go for it on fourth down when the offense is so much better than the defense. No problems there. The onside kick is another story. Those plays were successful 18% of the time last year. Those odds might go up a bit when the kick isn’t expected, and this one surely wasn’t. Still, it’s a long-shot bet that usually doesn’t pay off. This one didn’t either, and Philadelphia scored another touchdown to stretch its lead back to 17 points.
  • Punter Jack Fox, the original Punt God, entered the game averaging more gross yards (49.1) and net yards (43.4) per punt than any player through 124 attempts in NFL history. Now that he’s crossed the 125-punt threshold, he can officially take his place on the throne of NFL punting history. There’s never been anyone better to do it than that guy.
 
The usual containment issues with a mobile QB. Makes it so hard to get off the field on 3rd down, even when the secondary does their job. Hopefully Wentz provides more of a stationary target next week.
 
The usual containment issues with a mobile QB. Makes it so hard to get off the field on 3rd down, even when the secondary does their job. Hopefully Wentz provides more of a stationary target next week.

I don't get why we were having problems setting the edge. Constant issue last year, talked about it all offseason, and s.o.b. same same.

Hurts is good but where it really hurt were those two runs when we needed stop. Scott gets stuffed, bounces out, no contain and gets 8 yards. That makes it 3rd and 1 when it s/b 3rd and 9. Then the ridiculous Miles Sanders stuffed him but didn't wrap up, bounce out and FMTT nobody has contain again.

But before that the players failed. ARSB never has drops, two today. Josh Reynolds' was HUGE drop, not just the yardage but we had them reeling. That one really bummed me out - they scheme a great play, Jared puts it on the money. Dude you cannot fail there - when you have a chance to make a play and put a dagger in the other team, don't choke.

You can't say "young teams make mistakes" when the biggest blunders are coming from vets like Reynolds, Anzalone and Walker. Frustrating.
 
PFF preliminary grades
  • Offensive spotlight: Both teams ran wild amid lackluster passing games. For the Eagles, Jalen Hurts gained 66 yards after contact of his 90 total, and he also forced six missed tackles. For the Lions, D'Andre Swift went well over the century mark and broke six tackles of his own to earn an 80.0-plus rushing grade on first review.

  • Defensive spotlight: Darius Slay faced a game-high nine targets but allowed only three catches for 55 yards — albeit one for a touchdown. He is still on track to lead Philadelphia's secondary in coverage grade.

  • Rookie spotlight: Lions preseason standout Malcolm Rodriguez enjoyed a strong debut, although his grade will be hampered by two missed tackles. The linebacker allowed four catches into his coverage for only 24 yards.

  • Offensive line spotlight: All five Eagles starting linemen earned 69.0-plus pass-blocking grades on first review after allowing a combined six hurries and one sack. Lane Johnson is on track to pace the group in both pass-blocking grade and run-blocking grade.
 
Defense still not up to it.

No, and thankfully Hurts missed some wide open plays too.

I know it is early for concern but I was at the game and focused on Hutch. Hutch was getting pushed around pretty good by the Eagles OL. Then in the open spaces he looked slower than I remember at Michigan. I know he will come around but I was hoping for a little more impact.

Goff played very good in second half, a couple drops hurt him.

Not sure why Campbell called for the onside kick that early in third right after a big score. Gave Philly great field position and they scored.

Yeah I noticed that. He was getting doubled almost every play but that comes with the territory. Let's keep in mind too that the Eagles are the consensus number one OL in the league.

Hopefully better days ahead for 97.

True about Eagle o-line. Plus the NFL is a different animal in the trenches for the young guys.
 
I thought our pressure on the QB and coverage was decent. It was the QB containment and tackling where we really fell apart.
Swift had a huge day running the ball. The WR had too many drops and Goff made some awful throws, but also made some good throws. I would grade our offense a B- and our defense I will be a bit generous and give them a C-. Lots of room for improvement. Tracey Walker and Okuda should not be our leading tackers.

Hurts outside the pocket is tough to contain for any defense.
 
Defense still not up to it.

No, and thankfully Hurts missed some wide open plays too.

I know it is early for concern but I was at the game and focused on Hutch. Hutch was getting pushed around pretty good by the Eagles OL. Then in the open spaces he looked slower than I remember at Michigan. I know he will come around but I was hoping for a little more impact.

Goff played very good in second half, a couple drops hurt him.

Not sure why Campbell called for the onside kick that early in third right after a big score. Gave Philly great field position and they scored.

Yeah I noticed that. He was getting doubled almost every play but that comes with the territory. Let's keep in mind too that the Eagles are the consensus number one OL in the league.

Hopefully better days ahead for 97.

True about Eagle o-line. Plus the NFL is a different animal in the trenches for the young guys.

I trust Holmes a talent evaluator. Penei, ARSB, Rodrigo, solid UDGA signings, etc.

If Hutch wasn’t for real we’d be hearing code words like “well he’s a rookie ya know, he’s getting there but it’s a process.” Instead it’s been “he’s looked the part from day one. It’s good to know that what we saw on tape is he same things we see everyday.”
 
Just frigging terrible clock management by Campbell not once but twice at the end of half. First not letting clock run down to two minutes before running their next play. Next calling a timeout for the Eagles benefit with 54 seconds on the clock. He called it on second down. I can see taking a chance before third down but not there. Lions defense fortunately held Eagles to three but Eagles should not have had all that time to drive on them.
Campbell defending his clock mgt saying that he didn't want to upset the offense's flow before the two minute warning. Lions were stopped though on that play and scored after the two minute warning. If you have faith in your offense, you run the clock down as much as you can before scoring in this situation.

Campbell then defended calling timeout after the Eagles first down play (a 4 yard loss) saying that he had faith in the defense to stop them and that he was greedy to score more points.

I remember Campbell doing something similar before halftime the first time we played Green Bay last year and he gifted them some points. I put this down at the time to some experimentation and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

My point is that Campbell should not be the Head Coach and make decisions mostly on emotion, there needs to be balance with his head an understanding of the situation. I hope he grows in the role but if he lacks awareness of the problem not going to happen.
 
Not sure if it means much, but the Lions were one point dogs to Washington before this game but are now two point favorites. This is after Detroit lost and Washington won. 🤔
 
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Not sure if it means much, but the Lions were one point dogs to Washington before this game but are now two point favorites. This is after Detroit lost and Washington won. 🤔

America's team, man. Hard Knocks hopium.

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Lot of mistakes yesterday by players and coaches. Rodrigo missed a couple tackles, Chark, ARSB & Josh Reynolds with critical drops, Will Harris still can't cover. Accountability needs to be addressed; Alex Anzalone and Tracy Walker cannot be leaders if they are gonna lose their composure when the game is on the line. Monumentally stupid personal fouls and they let their teammates down.

the nobody cares the ref missed this one play of the week

Next play after the Josh Reynolds drop. Everyone focused on the dropped shotgun snap, Eagles twist jared's head around on the sack. Ref is 6 feet away, no call. DET VS EVERYBODY

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MCDC has a lot of good qualities as a HC. In game decisions do not appear to be a strength. Hyper aggressive, too much so at times (onside kick, gave them a short field.) Very bad at clock management. 1st half, Detroit called a pair of timeouts which only helped the Eagles to preserve clock as they marched down the field. Pure greed- bruh you don't have a defense that allows you to coach that way - they had given no evidence they would hold the Eagles there. 2nd half, called a timeout early on a first down for the Eagles, baffling. 'nuffced, we all see it.

Ben Johnson was way too predictable in his first half playcalling. He looked like the MCDC puppet out there, bringing in the jumbo extra OT package in and consistently running on first down. Come on, DC. Trust your guy. He's one of the great young minds in the game, get out of the way.

That said - let's not nitpick MCDC so much we miss the bigger picture. He has tremendous buy in from his players right now, great motivator. Love what he is about. No coach is perfect. Andy Reid is a master at building staffs, a really good administrator, plus an offensive genius. He sucks at clock management. Not saying we shouldn't hold Campbell's feet to the fire, but no HC is perfect in every aspect. Hopefully he learns from this, grows and matures as a decision maker in game.

Not sure who on that staff is the guy who is going to pull him aside though? Duce is the assistant HC but he's even more emotional than DC. Maybe needs an old sage in the background whispering in his ear. Honestly, I feel like Campbell is the kind of guy that does things collaboratively and he would take the criticism to heart. He knew he wasn't ready after the Miami interim gig - that five years being Payton's assistant HC helped him become a better coach.

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Initial impression is Okudoh played OK, that's encouraging. Couple pass breakups, good day v the run led to a career high 10 tackles. If we have any hope of playing good D this year, he and Amari have to be solid.

Swift ran decisively, fighting hard through contact, broke 6 tackles. He's shown he can make people miss the last two years, I feel like this year he's added some new elements to his arsenal.

BAD day for Logan Stenberg, obviously there is a reason he had only played four offensive snaps in two years. Yikes. But the unit played very well. Look at Jonah pulling out here for the convoy on Swift's fourth down TD run. Brock Wright (lined up left wing) fires into #43, just destroys him. That's some awesome blocking. Saw Ragnow get out on a couple screens. Best unit on the team is the OL.

Eagles had 216 yards rushing, 5.1 YPC. Hurts gives the whole league fits in the run game. We made all 3 of their backs look like studs;m there are fundamental problems with the run D. Good OL over there in Philly but we got manhandled.

The only sack of the game was a safety blitz. Partly that's Hurts being elusive, we did chase him out of the pocket a few times. We don't have an amazing back 7 so have to be disruptive. If the NASCAR package or whatever they want to try isn't working. then dial up more blitzes. Preferably BEFORE the 4th quarter. Hutch didn't get home even once, no QB hits.

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We just did not come close to matching their intensity when the game was in doubt. I liked the fight to the end mentality but they dug too big of a hole. When the Eagles were taking shots and being aggressive, we had no answers. PHI started out 8/11 on 3rd down and were pacing for a 600 yard day until we figured anything out. Did the D play that much better in the 4th, or was that just bc Sirianni started managing to the clock? Felt a bit like Shanahan in the opener last year, they let the foot off the gas a bit. Same lack of initial intensity on the offensive side - great opening drive, and then three consecutive 3 and outs. Goff isn't just playing to be the Detroit QB, this is his audition for being a career starter or future backup. He's headed the way of Dalton, Foles, Garoppolo, Minshew rn.

We're on to Washington. Losing sucks, but overall some encouraging things came out of this frustrating loss.

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My 44 jersey arrives tomorrow. It's sold out on NFL.com and the Lions official site, unless you want the **** Lebeau 44.

young man is going places
 
Not sure if it means much, but the Lions were one point dogs to Washington before this game but are now two point favorites. This is after Detroit lost and Washington won. 🤔

America's team, man. Hard Knocks hopium.

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Lot of mistakes yesterday by players and coaches. Rodrigo missed a couple tackles, Chark, ARSB & Josh Reynolds with critical drops, Will Harris still can't cover. Accountability needs to be addressed; Alex Anzalone and Tracy Walker cannot be leaders if they are gonna lose their composure when the game is on the line. Monumentally stupid personal fouls and they let their teammates down.

the nobody cares the ref missed this one play of the week

Next play after the Josh Reynolds drop. Everyone focused on the dropped shotgun snap, Eagles twist jared's head around on the sack. Ref is 6 feet away, no call. DET VS EVERYBODY

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MCDC has a lot of good qualities as a HC. In game decisions do not appear to be a strength. Hyper aggressive, too much so at times (onside kick, gave them a short field.) Very bad at clock management. 1st half, Detroit called a pair of timeouts which only helped the Eagles to preserve clock as they marched down the field. Pure greed- bruh you don't have a defense that allows you to coach that way - they had given no evidence they would hold the Eagles there. 2nd half, called a timeout early on a first down for the Eagles, baffling. 'nuffced, we all see it.

Ben Johnson was way too predictable in his first half playcalling. He looked like the MCDC puppet out there, bringing in the jumbo extra OT package in and consistently running on first down. Come on, DC. Trust your guy. He's one of the great young minds in the game, get out of the way.

That said - let's not nitpick MCDC so much we miss the bigger picture. He has tremendous buy in from his players right now, great motivator. Love what he is about. No coach is perfect. Andy Reid is a master at building staffs, a really good administrator, plus an offensive genius. He sucks at clock management. Not saying we shouldn't hold Campbell's feet to the fire, but no HC is perfect in every aspect. Hopefully he learns from this, grows and matures as a decision maker in game.

Not sure who on that staff is the guy who is going to pull him aside though? Duce is the assistant HC but he's even more emotional than DC. Maybe needs an old sage in the background whispering in his ear. Honestly, I feel like Campbell is the kind of guy that does things collaboratively and he would take the criticism to heart. He knew he wasn't ready after the Miami interim gig - that five years being Payton's assistant HC helped him become a better coach.

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Initial impression is Okudoh played OK, that's encouraging. Couple pass breakups, good day v the run led to a career high 10 tackles. If we have any hope of playing good D this year, he and Amari have to be solid.

Swift ran decisively, fighting hard through contact, broke 6 tackles. He's shown he can make people miss the last two years, I feel like this year he's added some new elements to his arsenal.

BAD day for Logan Stenberg, obviously there is a reason he had only played four offensive snaps in two years. Yikes. But the unit played very well. Look at Jonah pulling out here for the convoy on Swift's fourth down TD run. Brock Wright (lined up left wing) fires into #43, just destroys him. That's some awesome blocking. Saw Ragnow get out on a couple screens. Best unit on the team is the OL.

Eagles had 216 yards rushing, 5.1 YPC. Hurts gives the whole league fits in the run game. We made all 3 of their backs look like studs;m there are fundamental problems with the run D. Good OL over there in Philly but we got manhandled.

The only sack of the game was a safety blitz. Partly that's Hurts being elusive, we did chase him out of the pocket a few times. We don't have an amazing back 7 so have to be disruptive. If the NASCAR package or whatever they want to try isn't working. then dial up more blitzes. Preferably BEFORE the 4th quarter. Hutch didn't get home even once, no QB hits.

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We just did not come close to matching their intensity when the game was in doubt. I liked the fight to the end mentality but they dug too big of a hole. When the Eagles were taking shots and being aggressive, we had no answers. PHI started out 8/11 on 3rd down and were pacing for a 600 yard day until we figured anything out. Did the D play that much better in the 4th, or was that just bc Sirianni started managing to the clock? Felt a bit like Shanahan in the opener last year, they let the foot off the gas a bit. Same lack of initial intensity on the offensive side - great opening drive, and then three consecutive 3 and outs. Goff isn't just playing to be the Detroit QB, this is his audition for being a career starter or future backup. He's headed the way of Dalton, Foles, Garoppolo, Minshew rn.

We're on to Washington. Losing sucks, but overall some encouraging things came out of this frustrating loss.

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My 44 jersey arrives tomorrow. It's sold out on NFL.com and the Lions official site, unless you want the **** Lebeau 44.

young man is going places
Damn, that's quite the 5am post lol.

I really hope you guys don't get let down by that loss, the lions brought energy and the crowd seemed next level. Beat up on Washington for us next week!

Damn, Looking at your schedule, it's extremely winnable.

Non-Division games:
Commanders
Seahawks
Patriots
Cowboys (without Dak)
Giants
Bills
Jags
Jets
Panthers

Besides the Bills, those are all winnable games. Still think they finish with 8 or 9 wins this year.
 
Not sure if it means much, but the Lions were one point dogs to Washington before this game but are now two point favorites. This is after Detroit lost and Washington won. 🤔

America's team, man. Hard Knocks hopium.

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Lot of mistakes yesterday by players and coaches. Rodrigo missed a couple tackles, Chark, ARSB & Josh Reynolds with critical drops, Will Harris still can't cover. Accountability needs to be addressed; Alex Anzalone and Tracy Walker cannot be leaders if they are gonna lose their composure when the game is on the line. Monumentally stupid personal fouls and they let their teammates down.

the nobody cares the ref missed this one play of the week

Next play after the Josh Reynolds drop. Everyone focused on the dropped shotgun snap, Eagles twist jared's head around on the sack. Ref is 6 feet away, no call. DET VS EVERYBODY

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MCDC has a lot of good qualities as a HC. In game decisions do not appear to be a strength. Hyper aggressive, too much so at times (onside kick, gave them a short field.) Very bad at clock management. 1st half, Detroit called a pair of timeouts which only helped the Eagles to preserve clock as they marched down the field. Pure greed- bruh you don't have a defense that allows you to coach that way - they had given no evidence they would hold the Eagles there. 2nd half, called a timeout early on a first down for the Eagles, baffling. 'nuffced, we all see it.

Ben Johnson was way too predictable in his first half playcalling. He looked like the MCDC puppet out there, bringing in the jumbo extra OT package in and consistently running on first down. Come on, DC. Trust your guy. He's one of the great young minds in the game, get out of the way.

That said - let's not nitpick MCDC so much we miss the bigger picture. He has tremendous buy in from his players right now, great motivator. Love what he is about. No coach is perfect. Andy Reid is a master at building staffs, a really good administrator, plus an offensive genius. He sucks at clock management. Not saying we shouldn't hold Campbell's feet to the fire, but no HC is perfect in every aspect. Hopefully he learns from this, grows and matures as a decision maker in game.

Not sure who on that staff is the guy who is going to pull him aside though? Duce is the assistant HC but he's even more emotional than DC. Maybe needs an old sage in the background whispering in his ear. Honestly, I feel like Campbell is the kind of guy that does things collaboratively and he would take the criticism to heart. He knew he wasn't ready after the Miami interim gig - that five years being Payton's assistant HC helped him become a better coach.

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Initial impression is Okudoh played OK, that's encouraging. Couple pass breakups, good day v the run led to a career high 10 tackles. If we have any hope of playing good D this year, he and Amari have to be solid.

Swift ran decisively, fighting hard through contact, broke 6 tackles. He's shown he can make people miss the last two years, I feel like this year he's added some new elements to his arsenal.

BAD day for Logan Stenberg, obviously there is a reason he had only played four offensive snaps in two years. Yikes. But the unit played very well. Look at Jonah pulling out here for the convoy on Swift's fourth down TD run. Brock Wright (lined up left wing) fires into #43, just destroys him. That's some awesome blocking. Saw Ragnow get out on a couple screens. Best unit on the team is the OL.

Eagles had 216 yards rushing, 5.1 YPC. Hurts gives the whole league fits in the run game. We made all 3 of their backs look like studs;m there are fundamental problems with the run D. Good OL over there in Philly but we got manhandled.

The only sack of the game was a safety blitz. Partly that's Hurts being elusive, we did chase him out of the pocket a few times. We don't have an amazing back 7 so have to be disruptive. If the NASCAR package or whatever they want to try isn't working. then dial up more blitzes. Preferably BEFORE the 4th quarter. Hutch didn't get home even once, no QB hits.

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We just did not come close to matching their intensity when the game was in doubt. I liked the fight to the end mentality but they dug too big of a hole. When the Eagles were taking shots and being aggressive, we had no answers. PHI started out 8/11 on 3rd down and were pacing for a 600 yard day until we figured anything out. Did the D play that much better in the 4th, or was that just bc Sirianni started managing to the clock? Felt a bit like Shanahan in the opener last year, they let the foot off the gas a bit. Same lack of initial intensity on the offensive side - great opening drive, and then three consecutive 3 and outs. Goff isn't just playing to be the Detroit QB, this is his audition for being a career starter or future backup. He's headed the way of Dalton, Foles, Garoppolo, Minshew rn.

We're on to Washington. Losing sucks, but overall some encouraging things came out of this frustrating loss.

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My 44 jersey arrives tomorrow. It's sold out on NFL.com and the Lions official site, unless you want the **** Lebeau 44.

young man is going places
Damn, that's quite the 5am post lol.

I really hope you guys don't get let down by that loss, the lions brought energy and the crowd seemed next level. Beat up on Washington for us next week!

Damn, Looking at your schedule, it's extremely winnable.

Non-Division games:
Commanders
Seahawks
Patriots
Cowboys (without Dak)
Giants
Bills
Jags
Jets
Panthers

Besides the Bills, those are all winnable games. Still think they finish with 8 or 9 wins this year.

Took two sessions to write :lmao: started yesterday.

AJ Brown said they couldn't hear signals bc it was so loud. That's not unusual when Ford Field is sold out. Then again, we hadn't had a sellout in 5 years. People love MCDC and Hard Knocks helped.

Super easy schedule, 100% 1pm games, 2nd fewest miles traveled, and I think 5th easiest by the worthless preseason SOS.

Philadelphia is solid, across every positional unit. We all know QB is a huge part of it, and the Lions may not be the best measure of Hurts progression. Each of the three RBs bring something to the table, no alpha but with that OL you can make it work. If the defense plays well y'all can go deep in the playoffs. Def the best team in the NFC East IMO.

I don't do second teams, I'm fully invested in mine - but of all the mid-atlantic / northeast teams, I like the Eagles best.
 
AJ Brown said they couldn't hear signals bc it was so loud. That's not unusual when Ford Field is sold out. Then again, we hadn't had a sellout in 5 years. People love MCDC and Hard Knocks helped.
Ya, it's just good to see some excitement around that team. Even though they're not a contender, selling out there and having people really pumped on them is a great start. Hopefully the fans show up just as loud next week and Hutch tosses Carson around a bit.
 
I did not have a problem with the onside kick but I did have a problem with the clock management. There was no way in hell they should have ran a play before the 2 minute warning. Calling a timeout wasn't very smart either given the play of the defense. That FG was the difference in the game.
 
All in all, happy with the performance given how good I think the Eagles are. Hurts is a just a different kind of QB. We probably won’t play another QB this year who can do what Hurts can. I’m optimistic.

Obviously disappointed they lost and the defense gave up 38 points. But like you wrote, we have to put it in perspective. The Eagles have a good chance of being one of the top 2-3 teams in the NFC.

Will be a different story, though, if they lose to Washington next week.
 
All in all, happy with the performance given how good I think the Eagles are. Hurts is a just a different kind of QB. We probably won’t play another QB this year who can do what Hurts can. I’m optimistic.

Obviously disappointed they lost and the defense gave up 38 points. But like you wrote, we have to put it in perspective. The Eagles have a good chance of being one of the top 2-3 teams in the NFC.

Will be a different story, though, if they lose to Washington next week.

Definitely a little worried they'll come out flat. Just human nature to not be able to maintain the level of intensity when your next game is a presumed non-playoff team. They had a ton of reasons to be amped up yesterday: home opener, first sellout in 5 years, crowd was LOUD, revenge for last year.

It's good to measure yourself by keeping it close against a better team, but also frustrating because they kind of beat themselves with mistakes, boneheaded penalties and questionable coaching decisions.

Overall you have to appreciate the level of effort and where they are at compared to one year ago.
 
I did not have a problem with the onside kick but I did have a problem with the clock management. There was no way in hell they should have ran a play before the 2 minute warning. Calling a timeout wasn't very smart either given the play of the defense. That FG was the difference in the game.

DC has a lot to learn in game management skill. That might be one of the hardest things to master as all these guys know Xs and Os. Jim Caldwell never mastered it.

DC is still coaching with a balls out "Players" mentality. That is good in certain situations. The TO and onside kick hurt the teams chances of winning.

John Jansen this morning said after the Lions scored the team had cut the lead, crowd was going wild, then we kick to right to Philly taking over in our zone and crowd was quiet. Said at that point you have to put some faith in the defense. It is about situational football. Looks at league wide stats for onside kick. Around 15-20% succeed. Even less now with new rule that you cant load up all on one side.

I like DC and think he is the right guy at this point. As always time and record will prevail in the future.
 
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I did not have a problem with the onside kick but I did have a problem with the clock management. There was no way in hell they should have ran a play before the 2 minute warning. Calling a timeout wasn't very smart either given the play of the defense. That FG was the difference in the game.

DC has a lot to learn in game management skill. That might be one of the hardest things to master as all these guys know Xs and Os. Jim Caldwell never mastered it.

DC is still coaching with a balls out "Players" mentality. That is good in certain situations. The TO and onside kick hurt the teams chances of winning.

John Jansen this morning said after the Lions scored the team had cut the lead, crowd was going wild, then we kick to right to Philly taking over in our zone and crowd was quiet. Said at that point you have to put some faith in the defense. It is about situational football. Looks at league wide stats for onside kick. Around 15-20% succeed. Even less now with new rule that you cant load up all on one side.

I like DC and think he is the right guy at this point. As always time and record will prevail in the future.
I didn't hate the onside kick. Our defense was getting killed for most of the game, and I bet that the success rate for "surprise" onside kicks is a lot higher than 20%.

I think the Lions were 33% successful last year.
 
I did not have a problem with the onside kick but I did have a problem with the clock management. There was no way in hell they should have ran a play before the 2 minute warning. Calling a timeout wasn't very smart either given the play of the defense. That FG was the difference in the game.

DC has a lot to learn in game management skill. That might be one of the hardest things to master as all these guys know Xs and Os. Jim Caldwell never mastered it.

DC is still coaching with a balls out "Players" mentality. That is good in certain situations. The TO and onside kick hurt the teams chances of winning.

John Jansen this morning said after the Lions scored the team had cut the lead, crowd was going wild, then we kick to right to Philly taking over in our zone and crowd was quiet. Said at that point you have to put some faith in the defense. It is about situational football. Looks at league wide stats for onside kick. Around 15-20% succeed. Even less now with new rule that you cant load up all on one side.

I like DC and think he is the right guy at this point. As always time and record will prevail in the future.
I didn't hate the onside kick. Our defense was getting killed for most of the game, and I bet that the success rate for "surprise" onside kicks is a lot higher than 20%.

I think the Lions were 33% successful last year.

I looked it up as they were talking about it on The ticket this morning. So last season Lions were above league average.

What is the probability of recovering an onside kick? Due to new NFL rules regarding onside kick formations, the recovery rate in the NFL has fallen to just over 8% in 2021, leaving very little incentive for teams to try this unconventional play.

In college football, however, onside kicks were successfully recovered by the kicking team 23.8% of the time between 2014-2021.
 
The violent facemask right in front of the ref not being called was strange. Was waiting For Goff to jump up and complain but he didn't from what I saw.

I thought that Goff's accuracy was off much of the time. Receivers had to work harder to bring balls in than you would like.

Hurts was the difference in the game. So elusive under pressure. However, thought that he should have been called for grounding at least once and maybe twice.
 
I know people are tired of hearing the obvious, but here I go. If you want us to truly buy in, win some freaking games. Until that happens, it's all useless talk. Lose against that pathetic Washington franchise and it's you know what.
 

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