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2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ 2025 verion of "Our QB better stay healthy" ☠ (25 Viewers)
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Chaka
Footballguy
I wouldn't mind if they kicked the tires on Adrian Martinez who was just released from the Jets.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Negotiating tactic.
ZADO
Footballguy
The Run D looks really good
Maybe I am biased because he came through for me end of last year.
And there's some "underrated" narrative going on here.
But you look at this list, Jakobi kind of has a point there.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2025/position/wr/sort/contract_average
Should Slayton, Bateman, Mooney, Shakir, Kupp, Jeudy, Deebo, Kirk, Diggs all make more than him?
LawFitz
Footballguy
Giving Jacobi two years of guarantees (2025-26, ages 29-30) at $15-18 MM per year seems reasonable given his production and value on this offense. Raiders cannot let Geno's most reliable target after Bowser go. This is similar to the McLauren situation, except it should be middle/low-end WR1 money. If he's demanding more like 2 yrs/$20 MM per (Courtland Sutton deal), I can see how they'd be at an impasse. Still, I wouldn't be mad if he came in at or just below that deal. Raiders need him to be happy and productive for the next two years while Bech and Thornton develop. Tucker too.
kaso
Footballguy
Raiders waived 14 players, released 4
Some notables; Tank Booker (maybe we couldn't have two Booker's at once?), Gainer, Qadir Ismail, Ketron Jackson JR, Sam Webb. Marquez Callaway, Phillip Dorsett II (guess he was just a camp body), Jaylon Smith
Some notables; Tank Booker (maybe we couldn't have two Booker's at once?), Gainer, Qadir Ismail, Ketron Jackson JR, Sam Webb. Marquez Callaway, Phillip Dorsett II (guess he was just a camp body), Jaylon Smith
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Reports say Signed Amari Cooper
Chaka
Footballguy
Seriously?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just heard it on 95.7
Raiders sign Amari Cooper
Also breaking; Jacoby Meyers requests trade.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Hmm... I wonder if Amari signing means they are en route to a Jacobi trade.
What kind of pick would the latter return? Broncos just got a 4th and 7th for Devan Vele, but that dude came with a 3-yr 7th round rookie contract, not a 1-yr disgruntled vet contract, so Jacobi might not be worth even that much on the trade market, I dunno. Maybe a team like the Bills would offer something decent, let him play out this deal and then walk for a comp pick after next season. Niners seem like another team ripe for such a scenario, and I know they looked into trading for Jacobi last year.
What kind of pick would the latter return? Broncos just got a 4th and 7th for Devan Vele, but that dude came with a 3-yr 7th round rookie contract, not a 1-yr disgruntled vet contract, so Jacobi might not be worth even that much on the trade market, I dunno. Maybe a team like the Bills would offer something decent, let him play out this deal and then walk for a comp pick after next season. Niners seem like another team ripe for such a scenario, and I know they looked into trading for Jacobi last year.
LawFitz
Footballguy
FTR, I am not on board with trading current Jacobi Meyers for current Amari Cooper in a vacuum. But if you throw in draft comp, cap relief and a better-gruntled locker room presence, then the calculus changes. Either way, this situation isn't ideal less than two weeks before kickoff.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Kenny Pickett?
Chaka
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Sadly, yes... not the Confederate Civil War general.
He might have actually been worth a 5th.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Yep... and a 5th round pick isn't exactly a value.
Seems like good teams typically swap draft rounds in a trade like this (like a 6th for a 7th, or a 5th for a 6th... MAYBE a 5th for a 7th). Similar to the Sam Howell trade to Philadelphia.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Could be worse. CD could've been taken 3rd and you'd now be sitting with a #4 overall Raider on your UNO team.
Seriously, tho. WTH!
massraider
Footballguy
Pickett worth a 5th for a backup, I bet. I'm cool with it.
And I like Amari. He's better than Bech right now, we can cut some WR.
I like both moves, and I would love to keep Jakobi, but it all feels like a quick trade coming soon
And I like Amari. He's better than Bech right now, we can cut some WR.
I like both moves, and I would love to keep Jakobi, but it all feels like a quick trade coming soon
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Classic Raiders move would be to trade Jacobi for Shedeur Sanders and a 5th. Build entire offense around Sanders and Cooper. Championship.
Chaka
Footballguy
Go on...
Hankmoody
Footballguy
We aren't trading Meyers it's just a negotiating tactic. He's outplayed and outgrown the current WR market and he needs to be making $20M a year. Give him a few mil bump on 2025 and $20M for next year. Cooper, Meyers, Tucker, and the rookies is a solid, deep class that insulates us against slow rookie progress and with Bowers and Jeanty puts a ton of pressure on the D. I know Thornton looks good now but let's see how that ages once the games count.
I love the Pickett move, he's no Super Bowl QB but he's got at least as much growth potential as AOC does and we had zero chance if Geno gets hurt and for a 5th as long as it's not a comp pick we lose it's totally worth it.
I love the Pickett move, he's no Super Bowl QB but he's got at least as much growth potential as AOC does and we had zero chance if Geno gets hurt and for a 5th as long as it's not a comp pick we lose it's totally worth it.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Ditto
I am a little surprised on bringing Cooper in. It felt like they were pretty comfortable with their WR's but I was advocating for veteran addition shortly after draft. I fell off of that largely due to what it sounded like the vibe from the team was they were happy with what they got.
Pickett for a 5th is solid. I am good with the cost. A starting experienced guy that is likely to be a career backup from here on out. I can see us keeping AOC on IR the full year and then letting the two fight it out for backup next off season.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Agree on what Meyers is trying to accomplish, it just makes no sense to play that card at the end of August.
LawFitz
Footballguy
My sense is that it's been an ongoing negotiation for weeks/months, going into the final year of his deal, that only now was made public after Meyers became frustrated seeing the numbers McLauren signed for.
I'd be up for paying him 2/36 gauranteed, plus fluff year(s). Anything more than that and I take the Raiders' side in balking. Cortland Sutton just took 2/40, and has put up notably better numbers across their careers, including last season. Jacobi is a fine WR, but he is no McClauren, and not even Sutton. I hope he is realistic about that.
Chaka
Footballguy
So much for the theory that he hadn't signed already because he was asking for too much money.
Or, maybe 31 other teams thought $3.5 mil was to much money.
Chaka
Footballguy
Nothing? Does this still seem like a reasonable deal?
Is he even a .500 QB on this team? Is he going to win a playoff game on this team? I don't know the formula; Is anyone going to sign Pickett to the kind of contract that will net a 5th round comp pick (BINGO!!!)?
For a one year rental on this team, in this division, in this conference, at the cost of a fifth it feels like a bit of an overspend.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Cooper 2-3 seasons ago in 2022/23 put up the following catching passes from various Brown town QBs..
2022 age 28: 78/132 (59%) for 1160 (14.9 YPR) w/9 TDs (6.8% of targets)
2023 age 29: 72/128 (56%) for 1250 (17.4 YPR) w/5 TDs (3.9%)
Highlights of the above pass the eye test.
Then 2024 disaster, but if you look more closely at the Bills portion, his per target efficiency metrics were on par with 2022, if not better. He just never fully caught on enough to warrant WR1 targets from Allen...
2024 (Bills portion) age 30: 20/32 (62.5%) for 297 (14.9 YPR) w/ 2 TDs (6.3%)
His Bills efficiency metrics give me hope that his physical demise has been overstated.
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For comparison, let's look at Jakobi's stats the last two years:
2023 age 27: 71/106 (67%) for 807 (11.4 YPR) w/8 TDs (7.5%)
2024 age 28: 87/129 (67%) for 1027 (11.8 YPR) w/4 TDs (3.1%)
Different styles/roles are reflected in their catch and YPR rates. This also makes me think that Jakobi's actual competition still remains Bech, and that Amari is here to compete with and keep a fire lit under Tucker and/or Thornton.
2022 age 28: 78/132 (59%) for 1160 (14.9 YPR) w/9 TDs (6.8% of targets)
2023 age 29: 72/128 (56%) for 1250 (17.4 YPR) w/5 TDs (3.9%)
Highlights of the above pass the eye test.
Then 2024 disaster, but if you look more closely at the Bills portion, his per target efficiency metrics were on par with 2022, if not better. He just never fully caught on enough to warrant WR1 targets from Allen...
2024 (Bills portion) age 30: 20/32 (62.5%) for 297 (14.9 YPR) w/ 2 TDs (6.3%)
His Bills efficiency metrics give me hope that his physical demise has been overstated.
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For comparison, let's look at Jakobi's stats the last two years:
2023 age 27: 71/106 (67%) for 807 (11.4 YPR) w/8 TDs (7.5%)
2024 age 28: 87/129 (67%) for 1027 (11.8 YPR) w/4 TDs (3.1%)
Different styles/roles are reflected in their catch and YPR rates. This also makes me think that Jakobi's actual competition still remains Bech, and that Amari is here to compete with and keep a fire lit under Tucker and/or Thornton.
Chaka
Footballguy
Not letting this go (day drinking...on a Tuesday; accept it and move on).
Is AOC's wrist injury a season ender? I thought it wasn't. In literally every metric AOC is as good or better than Pickett, on much worse teams.
Why did this team need this guy? It's only a fifth round pick but, I still feel like it's a wasted move. I don't see future franchise QB in Pickett. I don't see it in AOC either but, I think he's better than Pickett and under contract for two years. Pickett has no more Trent Dilfer catching lightning probability than AOC.
Is Pickett gonna go all Foles or Hostetler on this team? I swear on a stack if that happens I will send every regular in this thread a six pack from Lost Abbey Brewery.
If they were so desperate for a "keep us afloat" QB I would rather they overpaid Tannehill for a one and done. They have the cap room and it would be the same net effect.
Yes, this will be my shtick for the remainder of the day which, judging by my current trajectory should end by 4:00 pm PDT.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Day drinking on a Tuesday. Bravo.
I would've taken Tommy Cutlets for free today over a 5th (unfortunately not of Vodka) for Kenny Two Gloves!
Chaka
Footballguy
Allow it.
massraider
Footballguy
Mellott and Miller were cut (practice squad maybe).
Pegues and Booker made the team, 9 draft picks in total made the cut.
Both Berg LBs made the team. 6 LB total, and only 5 CB.
Pegues and Booker made the team, 9 draft picks in total made the cut.
Both Berg LBs made the team. 6 LB total, and only 5 CB.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
100%,confident they are going to move them Melloyt and Miller to PS
Pickett might be the long-term backup (O'Connell has done nothing to earn the job) and he's exactly the type of reclamation project Carroll likes. Also, I'd imagine Brady signed off on it. I've always felt Pickett got a bit of a raw deal. He went 14-10 as a starter, despite the worst OC in the NFL, and a bad OL. He looked better last year in limited work with the Eagles. Frankly, his resume is better than Darnold's going into last season.
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