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2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Everyone is 0-0 ☠ (8 Viewers)

If the goal is to suck. Forget Stafford. He’d probably win 2-4 games. Wouldn’t want that. 🙄

But if there’s anyway to get him in the door without giving him 50M and the team picks up/drafts some talent, it would at least be interesting. I stopped watching games last year
 
If the goal is to suck. Forget Stafford. He’d probably win 2-4 games. Wouldn’t want that. 🙄

But if there’s anyway to get him in the door without giving him 50M and the team picks up/drafts some talent, it would at least be interesting. I stopped watching games last year
They have to give him $50 mil to get him in the door, and they have the cap space. If they go forward with this the key issue is retaining the #6 pick.

Reports today are the Raiders have a framework in place on a 2 year $100 mil deal with Stafford but are adamant about keeping the #6 pick.
 
The best logic I can come up with is he represents an immediate culture shift in the locker room. Players who previously had to lie to themselves that they would be competitive with the Gardner Minshew's and Aidan O'Connell's of the world will absolutely buy into Stafford. That's a powerful tool.

If Stafford does have two years left in the tank, the Raiders could absolutely have a quick turnaround to relevance.

A slow rolling, 22 years in the making quick turnaround to relevance.
 
Question: isn't Shaduer like the exact prototype of a QB that Chip likes?

I do know there is a strong connection of Brady to Shaduer as well.

Is the plan maybe bring Stafford on, draft Shaduer if he is there at 6 still (which most mocks say he will be) and then let him sit for a year? If Shaduer isn't there then go with the BPA and look at drafting a QB like Dart or Ewers in the early/mid rounds or a guy like Will Howard late.
 
Is the plan maybe bring Stafford on, draft Shaduer if he is there at 6 still (which most mocks say he will be) and then let him sit for a year? If Shaduer isn't there then go with the BPA and look at drafting a QB like Dart or Ewers in the early/mid rounds or a guy like Will Howard late.
IF they pull of the trade I'd say zero percent chance they draft Sanders in round one and in general won't put any kind of priority on QB at all. IF they obtain Stafford's it's going to be a two year minimum commitment anyway and I don't think anyone is in a rush to repeat the Falcons model of guaranteeing a QB $100M and drafting another one high.
 
Question: isn't Shaduer like the exact prototype of a QB that Chip likes?

I do know there is a strong connection of Brady to Shaduer as well.

Is the plan maybe bring Stafford on, draft Shaduer if he is there at 6 still (which most mocks say he will be) and then let him sit for a year? If Shaduer isn't there then go with the BPA and look at drafting a QB like Dart or Ewers in the early/mid rounds or a guy like Will Howard late.
Hmmm. Maybe. Atlanta did it last year, but I would think if they bring in Stafford a QB at 6 is a no. I also think there is a very good chance Ward and Shadeur go before 6. These guys doing mocks have no idea right now. They seem to have a much better idea how things will shake out closer to the draft, but even then there are surprises.
 
The best logic I can come up with is he represents an immediate culture shift in the locker room. Players who previously had to lie to themselves that they would be competitive with the Gardner Minshew's and Aidan O'Connell's of the world will absolutely buy into Stafford. That's a powerful tool.

If Stafford does have two years left in the tank, the Raiders could absolutely have a quick turnaround to relevance.

A slow rolling, 22 years in the making quick turnaround to relevance.
But but people in this thread said AOC was good and looked like Tom Brady. :rolleyes:
 
Is the plan maybe bring Stafford on, draft Shaduer if he is there at 6 still (which most mocks say he will be) and then let him sit for a year? If Shaduer isn't there then go with the BPA and look at drafting a QB like Dart or Ewers in the early/mid rounds or a guy like Will Howard late.
IF they pull of the trade I'd say zero percent chance they draft Sanders in round one and in general won't put any kind of priority on QB at all. IF they obtain Stafford's it's going to be a two year minimum commitment anyway and I don't think anyone is in a rush to repeat the Falcons model of guaranteeing a QB $100M and drafting another one high.
Funny, but this will probably work out alright for the falcons. Not ideal to have paid the money to cousins but that was a chance they took, and Penix will be the future (I think)
 
Is the plan maybe bring Stafford on, draft Shaduer if he is there at 6 still (which most mocks say he will be) and then let him sit for a year? If Shaduer isn't there then go with the BPA and look at drafting a QB like Dart or Ewers in the early/mid rounds or a guy like Will Howard late.
IF they pull of the trade I'd say zero percent chance they draft Sanders in round one and in general won't put any kind of priority on QB at all. IF they obtain Stafford's it's going to be a two year minimum commitment anyway and I don't think anyone is in a rush to repeat the Falcons model of guaranteeing a QB $100M and drafting another one high.
Funny, but this will probably work out alright for the falcons. Not ideal to have paid the money to cousins but that was a chance they took, and Penix will be the future (I think)
Hard disagree and if Penix won an MVP it won’t change the fact the process was bad. They are in a position they might pay Cousins $90m for a little more then half a season.




Again I don’t think any team is trying to take that same process plus in this scenario the Raiders would have to pay draft capital for Stafford making it even more impossible they’d be in any kind of position to draft a Qb high.
 
You are of the hook Raider Nation, he's going back to LA.

Cool. Now let's move onto Justin Fields and annual BPA QB draft picks on repeat dial until one hits. Rest of the vet QB field are a bunch of sloppy joe sammiches, who don't move the needle enough beyond uncle Rico and freegan Brady.
 
The best logic I can come up with is he represents an immediate culture shift in the locker room. Players who previously had to lie to themselves that they would be competitive with the Gardner Minshew's and Aidan O'Connell's of the world will absolutely buy into Stafford. That's a powerful tool.

If Stafford does have two years left in the tank, the Raiders could absolutely have a quick turnaround to relevance.

A slow rolling, 22 years in the making quick turnaround to relevance.
But but people in this thread said AOC was good and looked like Tom Brady. :rolleyes:
Peyton Manning
 
I think my current preference is to move up to 3 and grab one of Ward or Sanders. Just freakin go for it and get a rookie QB to go all in on.
 
I think my current preference is to move up to 3 and grab one of Ward or Sanders. Just freakin go for it and get a rookie QB to go all in on.
For Heavens sake. First I have to teach myself to learn to love Tom "IT WAS A FUMBLE!!!" Brady and now I get to learn to embrace Meion Sanders.

Thanks Trumbama. :clyde:
 
You are of the hook Raider Nation, he's going back to LA.
Where are you hearing Stafford re-signed with LA?
Everywhere
My internet must be slower than yours…see it now. Good for Rams fans and Puka holders.
Good for LV too. There are no shortcuts. Follow up the first great draft in decades with more solid drafts. Sprinkle in wise free agent signings.
 
You are of the hook Raider Nation, he's going back to LA.
Where are you hearing Stafford re-signed with LA?
Everywhere
My internet must be slower than yours…see it now. Good for Rams fans and Puka holders.
Good for LV too. There are no shortcuts. Follow up the first great draft in decades with more solid drafts. Sprinkle in wise free agent signings.
Agree completely and perfectly said. There are no shortcuts and adding an aging/competent QB probably sets you back on the long term growth curve. You guys are in a tough spot with the current division make-up, hopefully the leaders understand that making the “right” moves versus instant gratification (which would most likely lead to middling results) is the way to go. Good luck to you guys, been through that journey most of my life with Detroit.
 
I reserve judgement on what Stafford would have been since we never had an actual price. Despite the upgrade he'd be, I wouldn't want to be shelling out premium picks for a guy that's on the precipice like he is. If it were a 3rd/later pick(s) then sure, gimmie the instant progress but we need those early picks to build up the roster.


So I say we're not in the comp pick game yet. Sign Moehring and Koonce to 1 year deals, who cares how much, and then get aggressive in free agency. Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith are big OL targets that could be building blocks and we have have have to get a QB - Fields would be my first choice but I could get behind Darnold as well. WR is high on the list too - Higgins and Godwin are obvious names but I'd also like to bring in Marquise Brown and/or Diontae Johnson on low-key deals, I think both have a big chance to massively out perform the contracts they will demand.

Outside of those positions we just need to bring in solid depth. As I broke the roster down a few posts up it was stunning how often the same thing manifested - solid starters but zero depth. If we bring in a $12M DT to play next to Wilkins that makes Adam Butler a high-caliber depth/rotation guy. Spend all the cap money, get 8+ solid pieces. Spend 2025 building the foundation. Getting to 10 wins would be big progress in our division but it's totally realistic if we get a QB.
 
I reserve judgement on what Stafford would have been since we never had an actual price. Despite the upgrade he'd be, I wouldn't want to be shelling out premium picks for a guy that's on the precipice like he is. If it were a 3rd/later pick(s) then sure, gimmie the instant progress but we need those early picks to build up the roster.


So I say we're not in the comp pick game yet. Sign Moehring and Koonce to 1 year deals, who cares how much, and then get aggressive in free agency. Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith are big OL targets that could be building blocks and we have have have to get a QB - Fields would be my first choice but I could get behind Darnold as well. WR is high on the list too - Higgins and Godwin are obvious names but I'd also like to bring in Marquise Brown and/or Diontae Johnson on low-key deals, I think both have a big chance to massively out perform the contracts they will demand.

Outside of those positions we just need to bring in solid depth. As I broke the roster down a few posts up it was stunning how often the same thing manifested - solid starters but zero depth. If we bring in a $12M DT to play next to Wilkins that makes Adam Butler a high-caliber depth/rotation guy. Spend all the cap money, get 8+ solid pieces. Spend 2025 building the foundation. Getting to 10 wins would be big progress in our division but it's totally realistic if we get a QB.
Hard pass on Diontae Johnson. He wore out his welcome with three teams in the past two years. Not the kind of guy to mbring in when you are trying to build a new culture.
 
I reserve judgement on what Stafford would have been since we never had an actual price. Despite the upgrade he'd be, I wouldn't want to be shelling out premium picks for a guy that's on the precipice like he is. If it were a 3rd/later pick(s) then sure, gimmie the instant progress but we need those early picks to build up the roster.


So I say we're not in the comp pick game yet. Sign Moehring and Koonce to 1 year deals, who cares how much, and then get aggressive in free agency. Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith are big OL targets that could be building blocks and we have have have to get a QB - Fields would be my first choice but I could get behind Darnold as well. WR is high on the list too - Higgins and Godwin are obvious names but I'd also like to bring in Marquise Brown and/or Diontae Johnson on low-key deals, I think both have a big chance to massively out perform the contracts they will demand.

Outside of those positions we just need to bring in solid depth. As I broke the roster down a few posts up it was stunning how often the same thing manifested - solid starters but zero depth. If we bring in a $12M DT to play next to Wilkins that makes Adam Butler a high-caliber depth/rotation guy. Spend all the cap money, get 8+ solid pieces. Spend 2025 building the foundation. Getting to 10 wins would be big progress in our division but it's totally realistic if we get a QB.
I mean... $50MM+ plus the Rams were not going to let him go on the cheap. I am not losing a wink of sleep over not landing him.
 
I reserve judgement on what Stafford would have been since we never had an actual price. Despite the upgrade he'd be, I wouldn't want to be shelling out premium picks for a guy that's on the precipice like he is. If it were a 3rd/later pick(s) then sure, gimmie the instant progress but we need those early picks to build up the roster.


So I say we're not in the comp pick game yet. Sign Moehring and Koonce to 1 year deals, who cares how much, and then get aggressive in free agency. Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith are big OL targets that could be building blocks and we have have have to get a QB - Fields would be my first choice but I could get behind Darnold as well. WR is high on the list too - Higgins and Godwin are obvious names but I'd also like to bring in Marquise Brown and/or Diontae Johnson on low-key deals, I think both have a big chance to massively out perform the contracts they will demand.

Outside of those positions we just need to bring in solid depth. As I broke the roster down a few posts up it was stunning how often the same thing manifested - solid starters but zero depth. If we bring in a $12M DT to play next to Wilkins that makes Adam Butler a high-caliber depth/rotation guy. Spend all the cap money, get 8+ solid pieces. Spend 2025 building the foundation. Getting to 10 wins would be big progress in our division but it's totally realistic if we get a QB.
I mean... $50MM+ plus the Rams were not going to let him go on the cheap. I am not losing a wink of sleep over not landing him.
Quite the opposite for me. I would’ve lost sleep if we DID sign him.
 
I reserve judgement on what Stafford would have been since we never had an actual price. Despite the upgrade he'd be, I wouldn't want to be shelling out premium picks for a guy that's on the precipice like he is. If it were a 3rd/later pick(s) then sure, gimmie the instant progress but we need those early picks to build up the roster.


So I say we're not in the comp pick game yet. Sign Moehring and Koonce to 1 year deals, who cares how much, and then get aggressive in free agency. Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith are big OL targets that could be building blocks and we have have have to get a QB - Fields would be my first choice but I could get behind Darnold as well. WR is high on the list too - Higgins and Godwin are obvious names but I'd also like to bring in Marquise Brown and/or Diontae Johnson on low-key deals, I think both have a big chance to massively out perform the contracts they will demand.

Outside of those positions we just need to bring in solid depth. As I broke the roster down a few posts up it was stunning how often the same thing manifested - solid starters but zero depth. If we bring in a $12M DT to play next to Wilkins that makes Adam Butler a high-caliber depth/rotation guy. Spend all the cap money, get 8+ solid pieces. Spend 2025 building the foundation. Getting to 10 wins would be big progress in our division but it's totally realistic if we get a QB.
I mean... $50MM+ plus the Rams were not going to let him go on the cheap. I am not losing a wink of sleep over not landing him.
Quite the opposite for me. I would’ve lost sleep if we DID sign him.
That is fair.
 
and then get aggressive in free agency. Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith are big OL targets that could be building blocks
Pass on Stanley personally. Great player but I worry when a player who can't stay on the field for eight seasons suddenly stays healthy for 17 in a contract year.

Would love Smith but i believe KC will Franchise him so he's not worth the price IMO, doubly so because the price would be paid to the Chiefs.
 
The Raiders officially met with Ewers
Amending my post above about my current preference (move up to draft one of Ward/Sanders) I’m also fine with staying put in the first to go BPA and then grabbing one of these many interesting QB prospects in the 2nd.
 
The Raiders officially met with Ewers
Amending my post above about my current preference (move up to draft one of Ward/Sanders) I’m also fine with staying put in the first to go BPA and then grabbing one of these many interesting QB prospects in the 2nd.
I hope you don’t think Ewers is one of those interesting prospects….just sayin’.
I hope you don’t think I follow college football as closely as you obviously do.

Educate me please.
 
The Raiders officially met with Ewers
Amending my post above about my current preference (move up to draft one of Ward/Sanders) I’m also fine with staying put in the first to go BPA and then grabbing one of these many interesting QB prospects in the 2nd.
I hope you don’t think Ewers is one of those interesting prospects….just sayin’.
I hope you don’t think I follow college football as closely as you obviously do.

Educate me please.
 
Sleeper reporting Carroll has interest in Darnold now

Honestly, depending on the cost, I prefer him to Stafford.
 
The Raiders officially met with Ewers
Amending my post above about my current preference (move up to draft one of Ward/Sanders) I’m also fine with staying put in the first to go BPA and then grabbing one of these many interesting QB prospects in the 2nd.
I hope you don’t think Ewers is one of those interesting prospects….just sayin’.
I hope you don’t think I follow college football as closely as you obviously do.

Educate me please.
I don’t follow it at all — what I have observed is that UT homers have repeatedly stated that they don’t view Ewers as a successful NFL starting QB, which means something to me. Please don’t take my earlier comment as a slight on you (it wasn’t intended that way) — it was meant as a caution, period. :-)
 
The Raiders officially met with Ewers
Amending my post above about my current preference (move up to draft one of Ward/Sanders) I’m also fine with staying put in the first to go BPA and then grabbing one of these many interesting QB prospects in the 2nd.
I hope you don’t think Ewers is one of those interesting prospects….just sayin’.
I hope you don’t think I follow college football as closely as you obviously do.

Educate me please.
I don’t follow it at all — what I have observed is that UT homers have repeatedly stated that they don’t view Ewers as a successful NFL starting QB, which means something to me. Please don’t take my earlier comment as a slight on you (it wasn’t intended that way) — it was meant as a caution, period. :-)
All good.

I’m just comic relief on this board for the most part ;)
 
I mean... $50MM+ plus the Rams were not going to let him go on the cheap. I am not losing a wink of sleep over not landing him.
Quite the opposite for me. I would’ve lost sleep if we DID sign him.
All depends on the price, which is moot now but if other vet QB's become available I'll hold the same line. Stafford makes us a potential 10 win team on day one. Great QB's cost $50M, that's just today's NFL, I have no problem paying that. Hell that's a great problem to have - our QB is so good we have to manage the cap around him. Sign me up for some of that! We have no idea what the Rams would have wanted but if it costs a 3rd rounder to get a guy in the door then so be it, even if we do only get 2-3 years out of him. 3rd rounders aren't guaranteed any return, look at our roster now - Koonce, Diablo, Parhham, Glazer (and of course a guy that was CUT one year later :mad:) - I'd give that up in a flash for a 10 win QB. 2nd rounders are tougher, but if we made it a 2026 conditional 2nd based on wins/performance I could stomach that. Rodgers went for a 2 slot upgrade in the 1st and a future 2nd and we could use that as a cautionary structure fort trade language. But again, moot now regarding Stafford.

March 10th is when we can officially start negotiating with free agents and I'm going to go bonkers waiting.
 
Darius Slay being released. We added him, retain the important pieces- I think that is a top 3 defense in the waiting. (happy to see the optimistic Chad back guys?)
 
Darius Slay being released. We added him, retain the important pieces- I think that is a top 3 defense in the waiting. (happy to see the optimistic Chad back guys?)

He's 34 and coming off a Superbowl win. CBs tend not to age well into their mid/late 30s - those that do, tend to convert to Safety. At this stage in the career, the risk is high that a player who comes to a struggling/rebuilding team does so only to chase the biggest contract still available, which is a terrible motivator once signed. If only offered more reasonable dollars, he either re-signs with Philly or goes to another contender. The current Raiders franchise isn't at the point where this type of signing has a good likelihood of success. They're likely better served retaining key core UFAs - Spillane, Butler, Chiasson, even Koonce and/or Hobbs - and then targeting younger, upside UFAs from other teams looking for 2nd or 3rd (rather than 4th) NFL contracts.
 

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