2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Matadors on the O-line ☠ (8 Viewers)

[Chaka]

BigCory00 breaks down the Raiders draft

 

[DA RAIDERS]

LOVE big cory. Hysterical

 

[massraider]

I don't think the Raiders are picking up any backs.
I think they might be in the market for a LB.

Man, has anyone else got the notion in their head that Pete and Chip have some weird plays coming in the playbook? Drafted a QB they gonna Taysom/Edelman, added a DT who carries the ball, and the 7th round QB is a runner too. Pretty sure we won't be seeing these guys draft an Aidan O'connell anytime soon.

That Mellott kid was a target, and I read an ESPN piece that he was a ST target for several teams.

Most interesting 3rd day draft picks I can remember

 

[Hankmoody]

Just got Bech in my first dynasty draft - feels cool to like having a Raider on my team. I am targeting Mellot everywhere as a late flier too.

 

[joey]

Just got Bech in my first dynasty draft - feels cool to like having a Raider on my team. I am targeting Mellot everywhere as a late flier too.

At what pick?

 

[Hankmoody]

Just got Bech in my first dynasty draft - feels cool to like having a Raider on my team. I am targeting Mellot everywhere as a late flier too.

At what pick?

It's a devy league where we draft college guys so no way to compare to standard draft order. Some very weird picks before him though (Teslaa, Mason Taylor, Skattebo) so I like the value I got.

He's going at WR7-8 range pretty much where you'd expect. Hunter/Tet/Egbuka/Golden/Higgins/Harris have gone before him in all so far, he's in the Burden/Bech/Kyle Williams tier. I could have had him in another, I traded up from 21 to 16 (Higgins) and he went 22. He's gone 21 and 22 in my traditional drafts.

 

[Chadstroma]

Just got Bech in my first dynasty draft - feels cool to like having a Raider on my team. I am targeting Mellot everywhere as a late flier too.

Just took Ward at 1.08... a RB run happened 1 through 7 in a 12 team league. Had to decide on him or Tet. Figured plenty of WR's in this draft class and not so much QB so Ward got the nod.

Targeting Bech with my second rounder. I think I have a good shot at him... should be a WR/TE run now though so there is a chance I don't get him. I was thinking of watching and maybe moving up to get him if it doesn't cost much.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I’m in a long running full idp dynasty. I have the 7, 15, 20, 32 and a couple later picks. I’m weak at TE(got sniped on bowers last year ) so unless someone odd falls, I’m going TE with my first pick. BPA next 2 and then maybe Bech. He’ll probably be there at 15(too early imo) maybe still at 20. But gone at 32. I’ve avoided raiders for the part over the last 17 years we’ll see. We do our draft right at the end of training cap so things are sorted out a bit.

 

[ICON211]

I’m in a long running full idp dynasty. I have the 7, 15, 20, 32 and a couple later picks. I’m weak at TE(got sniped on bowers last year ) so unless someone odd falls, I’m going TE with my first pick. BPA next 2 and then maybe Bech. He’ll probably be there at 15(too early imo) maybe still at 20. But gone at 32. I’ve avoided raiders for the part over the last 17 years we’ll see. We do our draft right at the end of training cap so things are sorted out a bit.

If you're taking TE with your first pick don't make the same mistake the Bears did.

 

[Chaka]

Ravens signed Joel Noteboom. Not a huge deal but I viewed him as a solid swing piece for an offensive line. I was hoping the Raiders bring him in.

 

[ICON211]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

 

[Chadstroma]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Dark magic

 

[Chadstroma]

Just got Bech in my first dynasty draft - feels cool to like having a Raider on my team. I am targeting Mellot everywhere as a late flier too.

Just took Ward at 1.08... a RB run happened 1 through 7 in a 12 team league. Had to decide on him or Tet. Figured plenty of WR's in this draft class and not so much QB so Ward got the nod.

Targeting Bech with my second rounder. I think I have a good shot at him... should be a WR/TE run now though so there is a chance I don't get him. I was thinking of watching and maybe moving up to get him if it doesn't cost much.

Actually a 14 team league.... but getting close....1 pick left ahead of me and he is still on the board. Though Scattebo is on the board too still. A little conflicted if both are there.

 

[LawFitz]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Pretty sure Zerlein has this wrong due to mismatching the salaries. Time will tell, but I think the Raiders will end up with three picks.

 

[Chadstroma]

Just got Bech in my first dynasty draft - feels cool to like having a Raider on my team. I am targeting Mellot everywhere as a late flier too.

Just took Ward at 1.08... a RB run happened 1 through 7 in a 12 team league. Had to decide on him or Tet. Figured plenty of WR's in this draft class and not so much QB so Ward got the nod.

Targeting Bech with my second rounder. I think I have a good shot at him... should be a WR/TE run now though so there is a chance I don't get him. I was thinking of watching and maybe moving up to get him if it doesn't cost much.

Actually a 14 team league.... but getting close....1 pick left ahead of me and he is still on the board. Though Scattebo is on the board too still. A little conflicted if both are there.

Got Bech. Scatt was taken in the pick before me so I didn't have to go back and forth on that at all.

 

[Hankmoody]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Pretty sure Zerlein has this wrong due to mismatching the salaries. Time will tell, but I think the Raiders will end up with three picks.

It's accurate as of the moment and I will be LIVID if Roberts costs us a 5th rounder. There was no compelling reason to sign him when they did there were/are better LB available. Same with that corner although as a former first round pick that's still young that's a decent dice roll.

What is yet TBD is the playing time adjustment. Both Stokes and Roberts can fall off the formula if they don't get a lot of playing time or if a bunch of guys closely ranked with their salaries get more playing time. Many of those are 2nd/3rd round rookies so there's a decent chance that they do and neither Roberts nor Stokes cancel out the 5th's that are associated with Diablo and Spillane. Losing Spillane and replacing him with Roberts is a horrible swap straight up if we don't get the comp pick that comes with it.

TLR - we might still get those 5th round comp picks if Roberts and Stokes don't play a lot (and if they do they were possibly worth forfeiting them for).

 

[SDJohnny]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Pretty sure Zerlein has this wrong due to mismatching the salaries. Time will tell, but I think the Raiders will end up with three picks.

It's accurate as of the moment and I will be LIVID if Roberts costs us a 5th rounder. There was no compelling reason to sign him when they did there were/are better LB available. Same with that corner although as a former first round pick that's still young that's a decent dice roll.

What is yet TBD is the playing time adjustment. Both Stokes and Roberts can fall off the formula if they don't get a lot of playing time or if a bunch of guys closely ranked with their salaries get more playing time. Many of those are 2nd/3rd round rookies so there's a decent chance that they do and neither Roberts nor Stokes cancel out the 5th's that are associated with Diablo and Spillane. Losing Spillane and replacing him with Roberts is a horrible swap straight up if we don't get the comp pick that comes with it.

TLR - we might still get those 5th round comp picks if Roberts and Stokes don't play a lot (and if they do they were possibly worth forfeiting them for).

Compensatory Picks | Over the Cap

Compensatory Picks | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

has the same result, One 4th rounder.
We are getting the salary difference between Spillane and Roberts.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Dark magic

I was told the raiders would get multiple comp picks!!!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Pretty sure Zerlein has this wrong due to mismatching the salaries. Time will tell, but I think the Raiders will end up with three picks.

SEE!!

 

[LawFitz]

Thought I saw an interview with Spytek late in free agency where he stated that based on their internal metrics they were expecting three comp picks. No way I'll be able to find that now, so let's assume it's just the one pick if OTC is corroborating Zerlein.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Thought I saw an interview with Spytek late in free agency where he stated that based on their internal metrics they were expecting three comp picks. No way I'll be able to find that now, so let's assume it's just the one pick if OTC is corroborating Zerlein.

GTFO. I was promised MULTIPLE comp picks !!!

 

[LawFitz]

Thought I saw an interview with Spytek late in free agency where he stated that based on their internal metrics they were expecting three comp picks. No way I'll be able to find that now, so let's assume it's just the one pick if OTC is corroborating Zerlein.

GTFO. I was promised MULTIPLE comp picks !!!

Earlier estimates from OTC showed Roberts and Stokes not offsetting Hobbs and Spillane due to salary differences. I dunno. Ask Hanky Mood what happened.

 

[Chadstroma]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Dark magic

I was told the raiders would get multiple comp picks!!!

Apparently the wrong words were spoken in the conjuring.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Seeing as a lot of people in here are interested in this topic, I saw this and figured I'd post it:

2026 NFL Draft: Compensatory pick projections for every team

Dark magic

I was told the raiders would get multiple comp picks!!!

Apparently the wrong words were spoken in the conjuring.

Split y banana!

 

[Hankmoody]

has the same result, One 4th rounder.
We are getting the salary difference between Spillane and Roberts. A

Again, as of the moment yes. Here's a better look. You'll see one column is snap% which converts to "snaps" in the points. I have no idea why that column is pre-populated for 2026 - maybe it's an average of the last two years? Darnold is 54% for 2026 so it's definitely something like that, he had 99.4% in 2025.

Anyway, those snap points can have a drastic effect on the final ranking. For example (click 2025 tab) Cordorelle Patterson's $3.0M salary with 9.7% snap count (0 points) wasn't enough to hit the 7th round threshold, but Braley Bozeman's $1.125M salary at 99.7% snap count pushed him up to a 5th rounder!

Elandon Roberts is ranked 670 and the cutoff for a 7th rounder is around 688 so we only need 19 or so guys to pass him - and again I have no idea why he's pre-populated at 52% snap count. The 2nd round rookies Carson Schwessinger and Nick Emmanwori have virtually the same salary ($2.95M and $2.9M) as Roberts ($3.0M) so they barely need to out-snap him to knock him down. There are a TON of rookies that are close to him in salary and plenty of vets also so there's a pretty good chance he ends up getting knocked off the chart. Stokes isn't far above him.

So really, it's about how many snaps those guys play as to whether they count or not.

Earlier estimates from OTC showed Roberts and Stokes not offsetting Hobbs and Spillane due to salary differences. I dunno. Ask Hanky Mood what happened.

Those earlier estiates had Chaisson and Epps' contract reported higher, so Roberts and Stokes were offsetting those instead. Once they got corrected they dropped off.

Chaisson is actually a great example of the above. He's also at $3M - the exact same as Roberts. But because his snap % is 28.8% (again, no clue WHY it's that) Roberts edges him out on the ranking for now. This is why comp picks are awarded the following year, things can change.

For those paying attention to the Dolphiins/Wilkins thing, he was originally targeted to be a 3rd round comp pick for MIA. But when he got hurt and shut down his snap % tanked and he ended up as a 4th for MIA. Ouch!

Thought I saw an interview with Spytek late in free agency where he stated that based on their internal metrics they were expecting three comp picks. No way I'll be able to find that now, so let's assume it's just the one pick if OTC is corroborating Zerlein.

I remember it and he's "likely" right once those snap % get actualized.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Voodoo black magic

 

[Chaka]

^^^TL: DR

Please give me the Cliff Notes version: Did we get four or five first round compensatory picks?

 

[Chadstroma]

^^^TL: DR

Please give me the Cliff Notes version: Did we get four or five first round compensatory picks?

Consult the tarot cards.

 

[Chaka]

^^^TL: DR

Please give me the Cliff Notes version: Did we get four or five first round compensatory picks?

Consult the tarot cards.

I don't think Raiders consult Tarot cards. Too hippie adjacent and Raiders hate hippies.

 

[Chadstroma]

^^^TL: DR

Please give me the Cliff Notes version: Did we get four or five first round compensatory picks?

Consult the tarot cards.

I don't think Raiders consult Tarot cards. Too hippie adjacent and Raiders hate hippies.

No no no... the NFL does the tarot cards... damn hippies

 

[DA RAIDERS]

^^^TL: DR

Please give me the Cliff Notes version: Did we get four or five first round compensatory picks?

Consult the tarot cards.

I don't think Raiders consult Tarot cards. Too hippie adjacent and Raiders hate hippies.

I don’t know…lotta hippie lettuce in the parking lot

 

[Chaka]

^^^TL: DR

Please give me the Cliff Notes version: Did we get four or five first round compensatory picks?

Consult the tarot cards.

I don't think Raiders consult Tarot cards. Too hippie adjacent and Raiders hate hippies.

I don’t know…lotta hippie lettuce in the parking lot

Nah, that's medicinal, to help with Mark's glaucoma.

Seems to be working.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

sounds like Renfrow was dealing with inflammatory Bowel Disease which contributed to his poor play and time away from the game.

A shame we couldn’t sign him back especially if he’s 100%. Wishing him nothing but success in Carolina

 

[Chaka]

RENFROW!!!

 

[SDJohnny]

Eagles lose longtime senior scouting director to the Raiders

After 23 years with the Eagles' scouting department, Anthony Patch has taken a job with the Las Vegas Raiders.

www.yahoo.com

After 23 years in the Philadelphia Eagles scouting department, Anthony Patch is leaving his post as senior director of college scouting to take a role with the Las Vegas Raiders, the Raiders announced on Monday.

Patch joins the Raiders as senior personnel executive under new general manager John Spytek, who worked with Patch in Philadelphia from 2005-2009.

Patch initially joined the Eagles’ scouting department as a college scouting coordinator in 2002 and worked his way up the ranks. In 2016, he took over as senior director of college scouting after general manager Howie Roseman was put back into power after Chip Kelly’s ouster.

In addition to his title as senior director of college scouting, Patch had several other titles during his years with the Eagles: Director of college scouting (2012-15), assistant director of college scouting (2010-11) and west coach area scout (2003-09).

Before joining the Eagles, Patch interned in the Dolphins’ personnel department in 2001.

The Eagles have drafted extremely well in recent years and Patch has been a big player in their draft success. This is a big loss for the Birds.

But the Eagles have been able to navigate plenty of losses from their front office in recent years. The Eagles list Ryan Myers as their assistant director of college scouting. Myers has been in that role since 2022 and has been with the organization for 12 years.

 

[Chadstroma]

You guys see that Jonathan Martin says he never believed he was bullied by Richie Incognito? This came out and few months ago but just came across my attention now.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

 

[drummer]

Raiders had a solid, if one of the top 5 in the draft over draft weekend. Comp picks lol, they had a ton of those picks. The Raiders will compete with KC this season for the ACFW, over LAC and DEN.

 

[kaso]

You guys see that Jonathan Martin says he never believed he was bullied by Richie Incognito? This came out and few months ago but just came across my attention now.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

Richie was not quiet on social media when this report came out

 

[ICON211]

You guys see that Jonathan Martin says he never believed he was bullied by Richie Incognito? This came out and few months ago but just came across my attention now.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

Maybe it's just me but he comes across like a real a hole in this piece.

"But I don't have any hard feelings towards anybody from that situation anymore," he says, "because Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey already peaked. They've already achieved the most success they're going to achieve in their life. And I'm just getting started."

He doesn't have any hard feelings? People got fired, suspended, etc. because of him for something he has n ow changed his story about. That whole quote is not a good look.

 

[RaiderBones]

Which player gets the Al Davis award for the draft? Porter or Thornton?

I'm obessed with Thornton. 6'5 and 4.30 speed. If he can put it together he can be dominate.

Even with a limited route tree that size and speed will force teams to either pull their safeties off of Jeanty or risk him blowing by their CB and/or catching over them deep. A taller James Jett? Yea, I will take that all day when we have Jeanty, Bowers and Meyers to make plays underneath him.

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

 

[Chadstroma]

You guys see that Jonathan Martin says he never believed he was bullied by Richie Incognito? This came out and few months ago but just came across my attention now.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

Maybe it's just me but he comes across like a real a hole in this piece.

"But I don't have any hard feelings towards anybody from that situation anymore," he says, "because Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey already peaked. They've already achieved the most success they're going to achieve in their life. And I'm just getting started."

He doesn't have any hard feelings? People got fired, suspended, etc. because of him for something he has n ow changed his story about. That whole quote is not a good look.

I have some sympathy for him as we know he has mental health issues but that also does not give you a free ride to ruin other people's lives. I think Incognito lost out on around $10 million in earnings because of this from another article I saw. Richie wasn't the only one impacted as well and all because he didn't want to play football anymore and couldn't just tell people that so when his camp (mother apparently) pushed a bully narrative (my guess is he said something to his mom as that being why he didn't want to play football and she pushed on it like anyone would and he came up with Richie as the abuser) he didn't stop them. Then to say this stuff on top of it? And more worried about people remembering him for being the accuser in this? Yea... that is just bad.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

 

[massraider]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

That TEN offense was unique, the WRs did a few things at that was it.

He could also just run deep patterns, master the deep hitch when people play off him, and be completely useful to the team. There's been like 4 guys that size that run that fast, and Randy Moss is one of them. He doesn't look as fast as he is because he eats up yards. He's not a guy I ever see doing short crossers and jitterbugging past anyone, but getting a lane and taking it to the house, sure.
Matching him with Geno is fun. Geno throws downfield. And Tre Tucker! Tre Tucker has shown, to me anyway, real deal deep speed. He got a lot more interesting with the new QB.

I wonder how much they are thinking about 12 personnel with Bowers and Mayer, with the talk about Mayer that came out of nowhere. If that does come to pass, and he's not a big part of the offense, then three wide with Brock and Jeanty is gonna be base. Thornton is the only one that I think HAS to play outside. I think Meyers/Tucker/Brock/Bech can all play the slot, even though I think Bech will be outside mostly.

Right now, I feel like the way the guys lineup depends on Meyers/Tucker. If Tucker can be helpful on the outside, Meyers best spot may be slot, with Bech/Thornton opposite Tucker. Dealing with Thornton/Tucker speed outside, and Bowers/Meyers inside, that feel like best big play options, with comfortable options underneath Geno can trust.

I really do hope Mayer is part of the plan, because the Raiders can set up a really big package, with two TE, and Bech, and and have a lot of passing options

 

[joey]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

That TEN offense was unique, the WRs did a few things at that was it.

He could also just run deep patterns, master the deep hitch when people play off him, and be completely useful to the team. There's been like 4 guys that size that run that fast, and Randy Moss is one of them. He doesn't look as fast as he is because he eats up yards. He's not a guy I ever see doing short crossers and jitterbugging past anyone, but getting a lane and taking it to the house, sure.
Matching him with Geno is fun. Geno throws downfield. And Tre Tucker! Tre Tucker has shown, to me anyway, real deal deep speed. He got a lot more interesting with the new QB.

I wonder how much they are thinking about 12 personnel with Bowers and Mayer, with the talk about Mayer that came out of nowhere. If that does come to pass, and he's not a big part of the offense, then three wide with Brock and Jeanty is gonna be base. Thornton is the only one that I think HAS to play outside. I think Meyers/Tucker/Brock/Bech can all play the slot, even though I think Bech will be outside mostly.

Right now, I feel like the way the guys lineup depends on Meyers/Tucker. If Tucker can be helpful on the outside, Meyers best spot may be slot, with Bech/Thornton opposite Tucker. Dealing with Thornton/Tucker speed outside, and Bowers/Meyers inside, that feel like best big play options, with comfortable options underneath Geno can trust.

I really do hope Mayer is part of the plan, because the Raiders can set up a really big package, with two TE, and Bech, and and have a lot of passing options

When they drafted Bowers last year, I believe myself and a few others thought 12 personnel was in the cards with 2 high draft pick TEs on board, but that didn’t come to pass. Then again, we didn’t have a Jeanty in the backfield. But we also had worse QB options, so you’d think running the ball more with 12 personnel was in order. But alas…

 

[Chadstroma]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

That TEN offense was unique, the WRs did a few things at that was it.

He could also just run deep patterns, master the deep hitch when people play off him, and be completely useful to the team. There's been like 4 guys that size that run that fast, and Randy Moss is one of them. He doesn't look as fast as he is because he eats up yards. He's not a guy I ever see doing short crossers and jitterbugging past anyone, but getting a lane and taking it to the house, sure.
Matching him with Geno is fun. Geno throws downfield. And Tre Tucker! Tre Tucker has shown, to me anyway, real deal deep speed. He got a lot more interesting with the new QB.

I wonder how much they are thinking about 12 personnel with Bowers and Mayer, with the talk about Mayer that came out of nowhere. If that does come to pass, and he's not a big part of the offense, then three wide with Brock and Jeanty is gonna be base. Thornton is the only one that I think HAS to play outside. I think Meyers/Tucker/Brock/Bech can all play the slot, even though I think Bech will be outside mostly.

Right now, I feel like the way the guys lineup depends on Meyers/Tucker. If Tucker can be helpful on the outside, Meyers best spot may be slot, with Bech/Thornton opposite Tucker. Dealing with Thornton/Tucker speed outside, and Bowers/Meyers inside, that feel like best big play options, with comfortable options underneath Geno can trust.

I really do hope Mayer is part of the plan, because the Raiders can set up a really big package, with two TE, and Bech, and and have a lot of passing options

Bech is kind of like a TE, at least matchup wise you need a guy on him that would normally cover a TE.

Imagine the problem a defense will have when your Thornton or Tucker in... Bowers and Jeanty and then oh yea Meyers knows how to get open. Throw in Mayer and Bech in the mix with a competent OC. A whole lot of toys for Chip to play with.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

That TEN offense was unique, the WRs did a few things at that was it.

He could also just run deep patterns, master the deep hitch when people play off him, and be completely useful to the team. There's been like 4 guys that size that run that fast, and Randy Moss is one of them. He doesn't look as fast as he is because he eats up yards. He's not a guy I ever see doing short crossers and jitterbugging past anyone, but getting a lane and taking it to the house, sure.
Matching him with Geno is fun. Geno throws downfield. And Tre Tucker! Tre Tucker has shown, to me anyway, real deal deep speed. He got a lot more interesting with the new QB.

I wonder how much they are thinking about 12 personnel with Bowers and Mayer, with the talk about Mayer that came out of nowhere. If that does come to pass, and he's not a big part of the offense, then three wide with Brock and Jeanty is gonna be base. Thornton is the only one that I think HAS to play outside. I think Meyers/Tucker/Brock/Bech can all play the slot, even though I think Bech will be outside mostly.

Right now, I feel like the way the guys lineup depends on Meyers/Tucker. If Tucker can be helpful on the outside, Meyers best spot may be slot, with Bech/Thornton opposite Tucker. Dealing with Thornton/Tucker speed outside, and Bowers/Meyers inside, that feel like best big play options, with comfortable options underneath Geno can trust.

I really do hope Mayer is part of the plan, because the Raiders can set up a really big package, with two TE, and Bech, and and have a lot of passing options

When they drafted Bowers last year, I believe myself and a few others thought 12 personnel was in the cards with 2 high draft pick TEs on board, but that didn’t come to pass. Then again, we didn’t have a Jeanty in the backfield. But we also had worse QB options, so you’d think running the ball more with 12 personnel was in order. But alas…

We also had a trainwreck for an OC for most of the season and handed it over to someone else which is like trying to change a tire in a car on the freeway.

That said... I haven't seen much 12 in Chips history.

That also said.. you can use Bowers as an Hback, RB, WR etc... I mean the idea of Bowers and Jeanty in the backfield gives me goosebumps

 

[Chaka]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

That TEN offense was unique, the WRs did a few things at that was it.

He could also just run deep patterns, master the deep hitch when people play off him, and be completely useful to the team. There's been like 4 guys that size that run that fast, and Randy Moss is one of them. He doesn't look as fast as he is because he eats up yards. He's not a guy I ever see doing short crossers and jitterbugging past anyone, but getting a lane and taking it to the house, sure.
Matching him with Geno is fun. Geno throws downfield. And Tre Tucker! Tre Tucker has shown, to me anyway, real deal deep speed. He got a lot more interesting with the new QB.

I wonder how much they are thinking about 12 personnel with Bowers and Mayer, with the talk about Mayer that came out of nowhere. If that does come to pass, and he's not a big part of the offense, then three wide with Brock and Jeanty is gonna be base. Thornton is the only one that I think HAS to play outside. I think Meyers/Tucker/Brock/Bech can all play the slot, even though I think Bech will be outside mostly.

Right now, I feel like the way the guys lineup depends on Meyers/Tucker. If Tucker can be helpful on the outside, Meyers best spot may be slot, with Bech/Thornton opposite Tucker. Dealing with Thornton/Tucker speed outside, and Bowers/Meyers inside, that feel like best big play options, with comfortable options underneath Geno can trust.

I really do hope Mayer is part of the plan, because the Raiders can set up a really big package, with two TE, and Bech, and and have a lot of passing options

Bech is kind of like a TE, at least matchup wise you need a guy on him that would normally cover a TE.

Imagine the problem a defense will have when your Thornton or Tucker in... Bowers and Jeanty and then oh yea Meyers knows how to get open. Throw in Mayer and Bech in the mix with a competent OC. A whole lot of toys for Chip to play with.

I love the optimism of Spring.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

That TEN offense was unique, the WRs did a few things at that was it.

He could also just run deep patterns, master the deep hitch when people play off him, and be completely useful to the team. There's been like 4 guys that size that run that fast, and Randy Moss is one of them. He doesn't look as fast as he is because he eats up yards. He's not a guy I ever see doing short crossers and jitterbugging past anyone, but getting a lane and taking it to the house, sure.
Matching him with Geno is fun. Geno throws downfield. And Tre Tucker! Tre Tucker has shown, to me anyway, real deal deep speed. He got a lot more interesting with the new QB.

I wonder how much they are thinking about 12 personnel with Bowers and Mayer, with the talk about Mayer that came out of nowhere. If that does come to pass, and he's not a big part of the offense, then three wide with Brock and Jeanty is gonna be base. Thornton is the only one that I think HAS to play outside. I think Meyers/Tucker/Brock/Bech can all play the slot, even though I think Bech will be outside mostly.

Right now, I feel like the way the guys lineup depends on Meyers/Tucker. If Tucker can be helpful on the outside, Meyers best spot may be slot, with Bech/Thornton opposite Tucker. Dealing with Thornton/Tucker speed outside, and Bowers/Meyers inside, that feel like best big play options, with comfortable options underneath Geno can trust.

I really do hope Mayer is part of the plan, because the Raiders can set up a really big package, with two TE, and Bech, and and have a lot of passing options

Bech is kind of like a TE, at least matchup wise you need a guy on him that would normally cover a TE.

Imagine the problem a defense will have when your Thornton or Tucker in... Bowers and Jeanty and then oh yea Meyers knows how to get open. Throw in Mayer and Bech in the mix with a competent OC. A whole lot of toys for Chip to play with.

I love the optimism Spring.

You are going to tell me our offense isn't going to be significantly better than last year?

 

[Chaka]

Thornton ran a bigger route tree when he was in Oregon. He just wasn't asked to in Tennessee. Check out some of his Oregon tape.

I don't understand this.... if you got a weapon who is big and fast.... why would you limit him to go routes? It just limits your offense.

That TEN offense was unique, the WRs did a few things at that was it.

He could also just run deep patterns, master the deep hitch when people play off him, and be completely useful to the team. There's been like 4 guys that size that run that fast, and Randy Moss is one of them. He doesn't look as fast as he is because he eats up yards. He's not a guy I ever see doing short crossers and jitterbugging past anyone, but getting a lane and taking it to the house, sure.
Matching him with Geno is fun. Geno throws downfield. And Tre Tucker! Tre Tucker has shown, to me anyway, real deal deep speed. He got a lot more interesting with the new QB.

I wonder how much they are thinking about 12 personnel with Bowers and Mayer, with the talk about Mayer that came out of nowhere. If that does come to pass, and he's not a big part of the offense, then three wide with Brock and Jeanty is gonna be base. Thornton is the only one that I think HAS to play outside. I think Meyers/Tucker/Brock/Bech can all play the slot, even though I think Bech will be outside mostly.

Right now, I feel like the way the guys lineup depends on Meyers/Tucker. If Tucker can be helpful on the outside, Meyers best spot may be slot, with Bech/Thornton opposite Tucker. Dealing with Thornton/Tucker speed outside, and Bowers/Meyers inside, that feel like best big play options, with comfortable options underneath Geno can trust.

I really do hope Mayer is part of the plan, because the Raiders can set up a really big package, with two TE, and Bech, and and have a lot of passing options

Bech is kind of like a TE, at least matchup wise you need a guy on him that would normally cover a TE.

Imagine the problem a defense will have when your Thornton or Tucker in... Bowers and Jeanty and then oh yea Meyers knows how to get open. Throw in Mayer and Bech in the mix with a competent OC. A whole lot of toys for Chip to play with.

I love the optimism Spring.

You are going to tell me our offense isn't going to be significantly better than last year?

I'm telling you I hope the 2013 Broncos aren't too attached to their highest scoring offense of all time record.

 

[LawFitz]

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Ready for the Jeanty era, but watching the above made me SMDH over what could have been with Jacobs.

Then there's this other viral clip making rounds about how they accidentally picked the wrong Byron Young...

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What a clown show! Glad that dark cloud hanging over this org is long gone. Brady-Spytek-Carroll are like a breath of fresh air!