Ministry of Pain
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Can't-Miss Play: Erik Ezukanma's one-handed catch
Can't-Miss Play: Miami Dolphins wide receiver Erik Ezukanma's one-handed catch.
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2025 Miami Dolphins - 1-4, Currently hold the #4 pick in the draft. (10 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami roster spots and depth charts, where do we even make a cut if we try and keep the rookie-QB because you kind of have to keep Tua and Teddy, that was the plan. Thompson won't make it to the Taxi-Squad and even there he could be signed any time by another team.
Miami OL
LT-Armstead, LG-Eichenberg, C-Connor Williams, RG-Hunt, RT-Austin Jackson...this is what practice looks like most days so the OL you saw tonight was missing at least 2 big pieces in Armstead and WIlliams. The Bench right now has Coleman(Played every snap Preseason), Dieter is fighting for a roster spot but he would be the back up C/G. Kellen Diesch? They paid him a little money but I don't see him making the team, if anything Greg Little has an inside track and has been sidelines with some injuries of late in camp but he was moving up the charts. Robert Jones and Solomon Kindley are also on the roster. Looks like Kindley could be fighting to even make the team. I don't see more than 8 making the team, maybe 9 with 1-2 on the practice squad.
Miami RB
Chase and Raheem are likely going to make the team and it comes down to Gaskin and Sony Michel for the last spot, maybe they could move White to the practice squad. Michel cost $1.75M ATC and about $850k to release him, Gaskin on the other hand would save Miami almost $2.5M if they cut him, same with Dieter, that's $5M they can create in cap space and not lose very much. I still like the way Gaskin is running the ball vs Michel who seems to plod.
Miami WR
Hill, Waddle, WIlson, Ezukanma are all making the team. Lynn Bowden deserves the WR5 spot and they save $1M in cap space when they cut the Unicorn loose.
Same 11 return on Defense, hated to see Needham go down tonight, hopefully he just snapped a finger or knuckle and will be OK.
There's room for Skylar Thompson on this team
Miami OL
LT-Armstead, LG-Eichenberg, C-Connor Williams, RG-Hunt, RT-Austin Jackson...this is what practice looks like most days so the OL you saw tonight was missing at least 2 big pieces in Armstead and WIlliams. The Bench right now has Coleman(Played every snap Preseason), Dieter is fighting for a roster spot but he would be the back up C/G. Kellen Diesch? They paid him a little money but I don't see him making the team, if anything Greg Little has an inside track and has been sidelines with some injuries of late in camp but he was moving up the charts. Robert Jones and Solomon Kindley are also on the roster. Looks like Kindley could be fighting to even make the team. I don't see more than 8 making the team, maybe 9 with 1-2 on the practice squad.
Miami RB
Chase and Raheem are likely going to make the team and it comes down to Gaskin and Sony Michel for the last spot, maybe they could move White to the practice squad. Michel cost $1.75M ATC and about $850k to release him, Gaskin on the other hand would save Miami almost $2.5M if they cut him, same with Dieter, that's $5M they can create in cap space and not lose very much. I still like the way Gaskin is running the ball vs Michel who seems to plod.
Miami WR
Hill, Waddle, WIlson, Ezukanma are all making the team. Lynn Bowden deserves the WR5 spot and they save $1M in cap space when they cut the Unicorn loose.
Same 11 return on Defense, hated to see Needham go down tonight, hopefully he just snapped a finger or knuckle and will be OK.
There's room for Skylar Thompson on this team
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GoBirds
Footballguy
MOP great info as always! Do you see an RB taking the lead this season, Mostert?
Thanks man hope all is well!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I think Chase is terrific out of the backfield, not sure he is the best running between the Tackles. Raheem Mustard hasn't played a lot since 2019 and he's 30 years old. I'm sure Mostert will have a vintage game or two but I don't see him being able to stay healthy and be the lead back all season. And even if Mostert were getting 15 carries a game, he would not be the preferred RB in pass situations so it looks like a time split to me.
If Gaskin makes the team, he could end up being the RB with the most touches and value even if he is never put as the RB1 on the depth charts. Myles has somewhere around 1,800-2,000 total yds the last 2 seasons in Miami. He is resilient if nothing else. Costly fumble tonight but it could have happened to anyone, hard hit on the football jarred it loose.
Miami running game so far looks like a lump of coal so i wouldn't waste a lot of brain cells on who is the starting RB down here. Odds are high early in the season you will see a mix of them. Chase and Mostert will split the duties early in the season, that would be my guess. Where are at Week 6 and Week 8, who knows?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
@TripleThreat
-I'm reading multiple articles echoing what you are talking about with Gesicki, not sure I get it. Little late in the process for Miami to be wanting to showcase him for a trade. He signed his franchise tag and I don't really see anyone trading for him right now.
-But to reiterate I don't see anyone that could easily replace Gesicki. I don't know enough about the other Tight Ends and their run blocking vs Mike because they all pale in comparison to what he does catching the football.
-Phins are not getting back the 1st that Ross blew, think the Phins might want to start trying for broke this year and focus on what they have on the roster right now. I understand that Gesicki sin't likely to see a lot of targets when Hill, Waddle and the rest of the talented WRs plus Chase Edmonds coming out of the back field , I can't see Gesicki nabbing more than 2-3-4 balls a game unless he is totally wide open because of all the talent around him.
-I'm reading multiple articles echoing what you are talking about with Gesicki, not sure I get it. Little late in the process for Miami to be wanting to showcase him for a trade. He signed his franchise tag and I don't really see anyone trading for him right now.
-But to reiterate I don't see anyone that could easily replace Gesicki. I don't know enough about the other Tight Ends and their run blocking vs Mike because they all pale in comparison to what he does catching the football.
-Phins are not getting back the 1st that Ross blew, think the Phins might want to start trying for broke this year and focus on what they have on the roster right now. I understand that Gesicki sin't likely to see a lot of targets when Hill, Waddle and the rest of the talented WRs plus Chase Edmonds coming out of the back field , I can't see Gesicki nabbing more than 2-3-4 balls a game unless he is totally wide open because of all the talent around him.
Dolphins tight end Mike Gesicki: I'm learning a new position, so I need all reps I can get
After a tough outing, Dolphins tight end Mike Gesicki says learning a new position means he needs as many reps as he can get.
www.palmbeachpost.com
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
With three weeks until opener, Tua Tagovailoa is least of Miami Dolphins offense's concerns
A troubling pattern for Mike McDaniel and the Miami Dolphins' new-look offense has emerged through two preseason games.
www.profootballnetwork.com
So much easier to link blurbs in here now
“I need it,” Gesicki said in the locker room after the game. “I need all the reps I can get. I played receiver last year, I’ve played receiver the last three, four years. I’m playing tight end now. Any reps I can get live out there, blocking, putting my hands on another guy, going out there and working hard, blocking, honestly just working on my footwork, hand placement. Any reps I can get at that, I can use it.”
Gesicki, who is playing under the $10.9 million franchise tag in 2022, was always an imperfect fit in McDaniel’s offense. He was never a strong blocker, but past coaches found ways to hide those limitations by making Gesicki a glorified slot receiver. McDaniel has other plans for the fifth-year tight end, however, and it’s been a rough transition.
I don't see Hunter Long taking his spot anytime soon and Adam Shaheen is now on Injured Reserve and set to have knee surgery. The running game or lack of it is what troubles me the most but we really haven't seen the entire OL together yet. Armstead is likely to miss some time during the season so Coleman logging snaps/reps at LT probably isn't a bad thing. And i never saw Connor WIlliams last night, thought it was Dieter almost the entire game which brings me to another point...
MOP rant
Dieter snapped the football into his own tailpipe last night on the botched snap when Thompson was in the shotgun. Thompson would not have had a chance at the ball even if he was ready for Dieter to hike the football. And finally, I didn't know that Gesicki was really just lining up in the slot, I must have put faith in the coaches that he was helping exploit with the lack of weapons we had when he was a Rookie/2nd year guy. I din't know he was such a 1 trick pony.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami still has the Niners 1st rd pick. Pardon my enthusiasm but we will be rooting against the Niners every single week of the season. I hope Trey Lance struggles mightily and they release Jimmy G so he can't put on the Superman cape. I hope Shanahan is due for one of those down years.
But Miami still has a 1st, still has a 2nd and still has Two 3rd Rd picks in 2023. I don't know where Mike Gesicki would play a role in all of this assuming Miami was willing to trade him. Not sure what you can get for a slot receiver masking as a Tight End.
Green Bay jumped to the front of my short list. I don't want to trade Gesicki but I also don't want to pay him a lot of money if he doesn't do what we need done in this Offense. I wish they had brought in someone to push him for snaps or did all the blocking in this offense at MAX so we could see what we're missing.
But Miami still has a 1st, still has a 2nd and still has Two 3rd Rd picks in 2023. I don't know where Mike Gesicki would play a role in all of this assuming Miami was willing to trade him. Not sure what you can get for a slot receiver masking as a Tight End.
Green Bay jumped to the front of my short list. I don't want to trade Gesicki but I also don't want to pay him a lot of money if he doesn't do what we need done in this Offense. I wish they had brought in someone to push him for snaps or did all the blocking in this offense at MAX so we could see what we're missing.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
The offense is completely vanilla. McD has played without key weapons, hasn’t used any FBs and protection.
Tua didn’t look good didn’t look bad
Wonderful to see EZE is doing his training camp things in games. Sanders could make it to the practice squad. Can’t rule out the SF guys
Found another DL gem to polish in Stille.
I wonder if Ahmed makes it over Gaskin. Michel doesn’t look good.
If Gesicki isn’t traded before the season he’d better figure out a way to block 1v1 else he really will be gone next year.
Corner depth has me concerned, if Jones isn’t ready for week 1 it’d be devastating. Noah good athlete bad corner.
Tua didn’t look good didn’t look bad
Wonderful to see EZE is doing his training camp things in games. Sanders could make it to the practice squad. Can’t rule out the SF guys
Found another DL gem to polish in Stille.
I wonder if Ahmed makes it over Gaskin. Michel doesn’t look good.
If Gesicki isn’t traded before the season he’d better figure out a way to block 1v1 else he really will be gone next year.
Corner depth has me concerned, if Jones isn’t ready for week 1 it’d be devastating. Noah good athlete bad corner.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Mackensie Alexander going to IR isn't ideal.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
-Vanilla offense acceptable in preseason, half the starting OL is missing and big weapons are not taking part in preseason games, totally fine with that in theory.
-I am totally fine with agreeing to disagree on Tua, you have your viewpoint and I saw a floater ot two that would make easy interceptions during the season, that was disappointing.
-Agree on EZE
-DL/OLB, pass rush looks much improved and guys like Van Ginkel playing for their 2nd contract this season. I think the Defense is going to help the Offense out a lot this year.
-I have been starting to come around on Gaskin as the RB2 behind Chase even if that isn't what we see initially. I don't have a lot of faith in the health of Mostert even if he only touches the ball 5-10 times a game, he cannot stay healthy. Sony Michel was signed last and looks terrible so far, be surprising is he makes the team IMHO.
-You are ready to turn the page on Gesicki based on the fact we have Coach MM now instead of perhaps IDK...Sean Payton? Let's not get the anointing oils out just yet for him and make large personnel decisions. Don't forget the Phins didn't ask for any input on this guy for Defense. They kept the DC and ALL 11 Starters on Defense, what does that tell you? I'm not exactly sure but it leads me to believe things are not quite as the mainstream media likes to portray things. Anything less than the Playoffs is unacceptable, I'm sorry.
Miami still has a lot of talent but quickly I can see where Tua is going to be a sticking point all season and we still might not know enough by Week 17 going into the off season. I hope I am wrong.
SwampDawg
Footballguy
Come on MOP, let's not get depressed yet lol
I think we'll know after the first 4 games if Tua is the answer with games vs NE, @ BAL, vs BUF, and @ CIN. He'll have to put up points in 2 or 3 of those games. In practice today, Tua connected yet again with Tyreek on a long pass, and also with Gesicki. Can Tua do it in a real game under pressure?
Per Barry Jackson, Michel was on the sidelines today, which is not the first time he's been limited. I also wouldn't be surprised if he is cut, which would increase Edmond's value in ff. The undrafted CB from Texas AM, Kader Kahou, looks like a keeper. FB Ingold practiced today.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm trying to avoid being the wet rag again but every passing day as we inch closer to Week 1, I start to have doubts creeping into my head based on simple logic and observations of what is unfolding right now. Do we even mention the owner is banished thru October? Who does Coach McDaniel answer to exactly? Has the feeling and look of when a teenager inherits the throne in one of these history books in some far off land. Week 1 is going to be very exciting for a variety of reasons, can't wait to see the list of excuses that will start piling up as to why we are underperforming.
I didn't see a lot Tua showed that looked very good. I saw.a couple floaters and his last pass of the night should have been picked off if the DBs were even looking for the football. Re-watch it if you have in on DVR, Tua only starts 2 drives and the Phins produced 3 points, that's about right with Tua most of the time.
Draft Sanders everywhere as your PK, the Phins look ready to kick a ton of 50-55 yd FG attempts.
I'm getting depressed already
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And 3 Interceptions last week in 1 practice day, just saying.
SwampDawg
Footballguy
Just sit back and enjoy the unknown for the first month, if we are 1-3 there will be plenty of time to feel depressed, if we are surprising then you'll have enjoyed it. Honestly I listen to a lot of traing camp reports on the XM radio fantasy channel and right now almost every report on every team is they are a disaster.I'm trying to avoid being the wet rag again but every passing day as we inch closer to Week 1, I start to have doubts creeping into my head based on simple logic and observations of what is unfolding right now. Do we even mention the owner is banished thru October? Who does Coach McDaniel answer to exactly? Has the feeling and look of when a teenager inherits the throne in one of these history books in some far off land. Week 1 is going to be very exciting for a variety of reasons, can't wait to see the list of excuses that will start piling up as to why we are underperforming.
I didn't see a lot Tua showed that looked very good. I saw.a couple floaters and his last pass of the night should have been picked off if the DBs were even looking for the football. Re-watch it if you have in on DVR, Tua only starts 2 drives and the Phins produced 3 points, that's about right with Tua most of the time.
Draft Sanders everywhere as your PK, the Phins look ready to kick a ton of 50-55 yd FG attempts.
I'm getting depresses already
Rams have Stafford with his weak elbow.
Bucs have a wreck of an offensive line and Brady skipping training camp to sun himself
Browns, well where do you even start,
Patriots, they don't have coordinators which is a new approach.
etc, etc, etc....
It's a product of the shorter preseason and lighter off season, no body really has a lot of positive news coming out of camp and when they do a lot of time it is smoke.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I hear you and I will but just for Spl!ts and Giggles, you list off several teams i want nothing to do with in FF. Browns, pats and yes the Bucs look terrible right now. Bucs might have better players so that will help and I am concerned about Stafford taking an injection, that sounds terrible.
"The Sky is Falling!"
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Teams move on from quality players every time they change a scheme..His words ...he's played receiver these last years and tried to get his franchise tag as one, we both know this scheme requires blocking.
If Gesicki blocked he'd be a fit and would be a serious threat. I love that he wanted to be in there getting work the entire half.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
-Agree that run blocking is essential to the offense being brought over from San Fran.
When I was a youth, football coach used to tell us from the very first organized practice...1 Football and 22 players on the field at the same time. If you don't have the ball in your hands which will be often then you are either doing one of two things, BLOCKING or TACKLING, there's not much grey area on this.
Yes I agree with you BUT...good coaching usually figures out what they have and works it into their game plan. Point out who is doing a better job than Gesicki, I haven't herd anything about Hunter Long just as a n example.
Gesicki has got to be worth something in a trade and honestly I don't think with the riches at WR and the improving backfield and OL...we kinda need to recoup a Draft pick for next year and it likely will not be a 1st. Could they squeeze a 2nd and a 5th/6th the next year for Gesicki? I like solutions, where do you see this heading for 2022. I don't like it but would nod with you that Gesicki might not be in the long term plans here. Surprising that a Notre Dame TE can't run block, preposterous IMHO. "It is what it is" (hate that saying but it applies here)
TripleThreat
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1562415549275160576?s=20
2022: Hunter Long may be the answer, Smythe fits but is realistically too slow, maybe it's race to see who can be an adequate blocker first between Gesicki and Tanner Conner ?
2022: Hunter Long may be the answer, Smythe fits but is realistically too slow, maybe it's race to see who can be an adequate blocker first between Gesicki and Tanner Conner ?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I didn't realize how serious this has gotten.
-Gesicki was honest and said what he needed to after the game. He even mentioned that he wouldn't give a splashy headline...that kind of eludes to the fact he really WASN'T all that happy to be out there. "I need as many reps as I can get" doesn't exactly sound good if you take a step back, almost mocking perhaps the way he is being treated or handled by the coaches behind closed doors. Pure conjecture on my part but one can read things a couple of ways.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Chris Grier-GM POV...if I move Gesicki, cut Gaskin and Dieter if possible and I free up $15M in cap space to go with $17.5M UTC and they would be going into 2022 with $32.5M at their disposal to maneuver trades and possibly acquire a player or two that is not happy on their current roster...Kareem Hunt just as an example.
San Fran has NO MONEY left, $30,000 UTC and perhaps they have interest in moving the oft injured George Kittle...
How can they even entertain keeping Jimmy G on the roster? They have to release him, it's like $25M they free up and they can do things like extend contracts, they can't do anything right now, totally hands tied, even trying to make roster moves from other teams cutting players is going to be a challenge.
San Fran has NO MONEY left, $30,000 UTC and perhaps they have interest in moving the oft injured George Kittle...
How can they even entertain keeping Jimmy G on the roster? They have to release him, it's like $25M they free up and they can do things like extend contracts, they can't do anything right now, totally hands tied, even trying to make roster moves from other teams cutting players is going to be a challenge.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
With Nik Needham heading to the locker room in today's joint practice... here's a reminder (IIRC) that Byron Jones has to be off the PUP before the 53 cut or he misses the first four weeks.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I know its preseason but Hallelujah!
I'll have to watch that drive again but if that's a taste of what might be to come this season, oh boy!
I'll have to watch that drive again but if that's a taste of what might be to come this season, oh boy!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The Cheetah is loose!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Time to put Raheem Mostert back in bubble wrap, crap he looks good.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Offensive Line!
Looks fantastic now that we see what a complete starting unit will be.
Greg Little-LT...saw some pretty nice blocks and think he will make the roster for sure at this point.
Liam Eichenberg-LG...He's mauling people at LG, on the big Mostert run he was pushing his side of the line completely out of the play, fun to watch him.
Connor Williams-Center...breath of fresh air, nice push off almost every snap I watched and the OL was in synch with him. Like what I saw.
Robert Hunt-RG...Was all over the interior of the line and picking up where he left off last year where you could argue he was the best we had in 2021.
Austin Jackson-RT...1st of all the sack that was credited to him, he moved the guy way deep past the QB pocket, I blame Tua for holding the ball too long. It was Tua's worst play of the night perhaps. Jackson sealed the entire right side on the run where Mostert went Left and that's where Eich had made his dent and then he switched gears and went back to the Right and Jackson/Hunt had pushed everyone left at that point and it was open territory plus Mostert put the moves on a couple fo them before he headed to the sidelines where I would like to see these RBs end their plays and not absorb too many major hits.
I was impressed with the OL and they put up 3 scores on 3 drives, 17-0 after the 1st Q
Looks fantastic now that we see what a complete starting unit will be.
Greg Little-LT...saw some pretty nice blocks and think he will make the roster for sure at this point.
Liam Eichenberg-LG...He's mauling people at LG, on the big Mostert run he was pushing his side of the line completely out of the play, fun to watch him.
Connor Williams-Center...breath of fresh air, nice push off almost every snap I watched and the OL was in synch with him. Like what I saw.
Robert Hunt-RG...Was all over the interior of the line and picking up where he left off last year where you could argue he was the best we had in 2021.
Austin Jackson-RT...1st of all the sack that was credited to him, he moved the guy way deep past the QB pocket, I blame Tua for holding the ball too long. It was Tua's worst play of the night perhaps. Jackson sealed the entire right side on the run where Mostert went Left and that's where Eich had made his dent and then he switched gears and went back to the Right and Jackson/Hunt had pushed everyone left at that point and it was open territory plus Mostert put the moves on a couple fo them before he headed to the sidelines where I would like to see these RBs end their plays and not absorb too many major hits.
I was impressed with the OL and they put up 3 scores on 3 drives, 17-0 after the 1st Q
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Some sad, non-football related news:
Sounds like they don't know what happened, but it was one of those freak things in a seemingly healthy guy. He was only 47, and leaves behind a wife and three children
At my old job, we used to work closely with Jenkins. I only met him once or twice, but he was a super nice guy, and I know my coworkers who worked with him frequently respected the hell out of him.
Sounds like they don't know what happened, but it was one of those freak things in a seemingly healthy guy. He was only 47, and leaves behind a wife and three children
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Wide Receivers (5-6)
Hill-Waddle-Wilson-Ezukanma and yes Lynn Bowden all need to be on the team. Trent Sherfield seems to be making the cuts although I don't think they need him. Release the Unicorn if you can't send him on his way for a 6th or a 7th. As long as Miami has those 1st 5 I listed they don't need anyone else.
Tight Ends (3)
Gesicki(Franchise Tag)-Smythe(blocker)-Hunter Long was looking more like an NFL Tight End last night. The other two, I would let go.
Running Backs (3-4)
Edmonds, Mostert and i think Myles Gaskin are your 3 RBs and then maybe they keep Michel but I would prefer one of the other younger backs, either Doaks or White. It's possible we can bring them back on tho the practice squad.
Hill-Waddle-Wilson-Ezukanma and yes Lynn Bowden all need to be on the team. Trent Sherfield seems to be making the cuts although I don't think they need him. Release the Unicorn if you can't send him on his way for a 6th or a 7th. As long as Miami has those 1st 5 I listed they don't need anyone else.
Tight Ends (3)
Gesicki(Franchise Tag)-Smythe(blocker)-Hunter Long was looking more like an NFL Tight End last night. The other two, I would let go.
Running Backs (3-4)
Edmonds, Mostert and i think Myles Gaskin are your 3 RBs and then maybe they keep Michel but I would prefer one of the other younger backs, either Doaks or White. It's possible we can bring them back on tho the practice squad.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Skyler Thompson in 2023 as a back up QB making less than $1M would be so good from the cap standpoint as Barry Jackson reported on Twitter
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Tyreek Hill saw the difference between Tua and Mahomes last night. Tua had a clean pocket to throw and Hill had his defenders beat. WIth Mahomes, that is a score. With Tua, it was an underthrown ball that Hill had to make a great play on just to get the completion. Still a big gain, but should have been an easy TD.
rockaction
Footballguy
So you saw what I saw, huh? Everyone was lauding Tua, and I saw an underthrown ball when the corner and safety were just flat out beat.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am not sure how anyone could see it any other way, but not everyone has great vision.
Tua's 51 yard pass to Hill was a slight underthrow, but it was thrown away from the safety. The CB was beaten, but the safety wasn't in bad position. Last year, Mahomes had a 75 yard TD to Hill in game 1. After that, there were only 2 pass completions over 40 yards, none over 50.
It's possible that Reid didn't do a great job of isolating Hill, or defenses just played deep all the time. Tua doesn't get the same respect as Mahomes obviously. But Tua and Hill have completed many long passes in scrimmages. Let's see if he can do it in real games, especially without a clean pocket. One advantage for Hill in Miami is the presence of better #2 and #3 WRs, Waddle and Cedric Wilson.
It's possible that Reid didn't do a great job of isolating Hill, or defenses just played deep all the time. Tua doesn't get the same respect as Mahomes obviously. But Tua and Hill have completed many long passes in scrimmages. Let's see if he can do it in real games, especially without a clean pocket. One advantage for Hill in Miami is the presence of better #2 and #3 WRs, Waddle and Cedric Wilson.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Good angle here. Sure, it would have been better if he threw it 5 or 10 more yards but it is really hard to criticize Tua over a completion that was in the air for 54.7 yards.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Who's lauding him? I mentioned Tua one time I think, that was actually in relation to Austin Jackson.
We do have some Tua fans in here but I think most just want to see him succeed because they love the Dolphins more so than they actually believe he is a stud in the making.
I've been candid that I feel we are going to see Teddy B at certain intervals of the season and maybe not just because Tua is unavailable. It's possible Tua could play himself out of the starting QB role if things don't go well.
And some of us are ready for the Skylar Thompson era to begin
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I like that angle even better than the classic TV angle we had. It also proves that the pass was under thrown a good 5-10 yards as you say. You said "slight underthrow" so maybe Tua needs to release the ball even sooner and try for 40 yds in the air instead of 54.7
If he flicks it down field and just lets Hill run under it in full speed and keep going, wouldn't that work better for a guy with questionable arm strength vs trying to throw the hail mary or long arching bomb down the field?
Skylar Thompson, 25 year old QB. Put him on the 53 man roster, seems likely. He's had one of the better QB preseasons in recent NFL history. He's also been great in scrimmages. But that means perhaps one less player at another position. He doesn't play like the typical 7th round QB. He does something neither Tua nor Teddy has shown, that's making good passes under pressure. If Tua succeeds, Skylar is a cheap backup in 2023 when we have more cap constraints. If Tua fails, Skylar will compete for the job in 2023.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Definitely seems worth the roster spot.
rockaction
Footballguy
Not you guys. People on Twitter and such.
rockaction
Footballguy
Waldman's (snicker) number one QB in this class. I love Waldman's work, but sometimes there are some doozies in there. Better than Pickett and Willis and Ridder and Howell? Not so fast...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
True, and it goes without saying that the average person on Twitter doesn't live in the real world, if we can read anything into how they tweet.
Skykar is a good cheap backup. No reason for an expensive backup when Miami could be in cap hell in 2023. He reminds me of a poor man's Brady, as he seems to make good decisions. I think it must be pre-snap read, and field vision. Plus a good arm. But not fast of foot.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I think there will be decent opportunity for Hunter Long this season. These comments about how tight-end is like a new position for Gesicki doesn't make me optimistic about his fit in the offense.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Didn't go very well in Detroit but perhaps a change of scenery. He was a steady 6-7 sacks a season guy when he was in New England.
This means somebody on that DL/Front 7 is getting cut. I hope they don't part with OLB Van Ginkel, last year of his deal and I don't think they will extend him.
29 yrs old and has 2 rings
Gatorman
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I think it is possible the dolphins have the backup to Tua whether he succeeds or not. Many assume the phins will be in the qb market next year if Tua falters, but with what thompson showed this preseason even no Matter what happens w Tua this year the dolphins don’t “need” to draft a qb next year.
rockaction
Footballguy
Whoa there. Say the word "preseason" slowly and surely so that you digest what you're saying.
Gatorman
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Sure. 3 options:
Tua is great and he is the #2
tua isn’t great so they toss him and bring in a vet. hes still the #2
tua isn’t great so they draft somebody. Then it’s a competition in camp
Skylar has been a generational talent. In ... pre ... season. Actually, he's also been great in camp throwing to all WRs including Hill.
If they knew what how good he was gonna be as their 7th round draft pick, impossible to have known before they signed Bridgewater, there'd be no Teddy in Miami. Skylar is not Reid Sennett, a journeyman 3rd QB who flashed for Miami in 1 game last pre-season. He's a quality long term backup. The odds are that he's nothing more.
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