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2025 Miami Dolphins - 1-6, Currently hold the #2 pick in the draft. (3 Viewers)

TripleThreat said:
Upon quick rewatch...
2 consecutive end zone drops, Hill and Sherfield in the early 2nd Q resulted in a Mia FG
2 red zone defensive holding calls, Noah and X, at the end of half resulted in a Buf TD
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tackling a WR before the ball gets there is not the recommended defensive technique for most teams
 
This was a clear case of a rookie coach blowing a game with his play calling.

Mostert was dominant. 11 for over 100 in the first half dominant. He carried the ball exactly 6 more times the rest of the game.....with a blizzard in the 4th quarter he is dropping Tua back......WTF are you doing Mike.

Cutting his teeth this season on learning to stick with what works. They were playing power football in that first half.....it is what set up that long Waddle TD. Why did we again abandon the run when our OL was mauling the Bills defense? If we commit to the run in that 4th quarter we win the game.

Simple as that.

Tua’s limitations again were on display as well. He is not ever going to be a QB who can take over a game.....and before I hear another post of “he does not have to with this team” watch the tape on what Josh Allen did to our defense in the 4th quarter.....that's called taking over a game and willing your team to a win.

Tua has had his best season yet....and by all means is showing he is a competent NFL QB who can win. But I am waiting for him to lead us to big wins in November and December.....has not happened yet. Played terrible vs SF, played even worse vs the Chargers and then played ok vs the Bills and almost was picked 3 times and the constant under throws to Waddle and Tyreek......come on folks. We are leaving points on the field with that crap. He does not have a great arm, he has below average mobility and he is what he is. The biggest fear is coming true for me. He is just good enough to keep the job.....but will never good enough to win it all IMO and we will waste the next 3 years on him like we did with Tannehill.

It’s frustrating. Because we are an elite QB away from really doing some damage.

The other thing I am always nervous about with Tua is he get’s hurt every single year. Rookie year had some issues and was going off major hip surgery. Last season ribs (which he was unable to play through) and then his finger. This season he got his bell rung badly.....that happens. But I am sitting here cringing anytime he get’s sacked or hit or takes off.....that is not a good thing.

On another note......our defense is just not that good. We have some great players (Phillips, Holland, Howard, Wilkins) and the jury is out on Chubb who we basically mortgaged our future on. But we seem to have a lack of good play calling, good tackling. We need a new DC no question. Also Howard is clearly playing hurt on a bum groin. I like the young guys we picked up in the secondary. But the injuries to Byron and Jones and Needham have killed us. We are not a playoff caliber defense this season. Way too much bend don’t break. Reminds me of 84/85/86/87/88/89 era Dolphins where we could score but could not stop anyone.....and we had a hit or miss running game.

The one real positive.....and I am happy to say this. We are a lot of fun to watch every Sunday. It has been since 1995 I have been this entertained watching our team. And that I am thankful for. The product itself on the field is exciting. Tyreek and Waddle will do that for ya!!!

The season is not over....but my expectations are low the rest of the way. If we get into the post season....I hope we can at least get one win.

As for 2023:

We need to beef up:
CB
RB
LB
OL

We also need to find a 3 down RB. Mostert is older and Wilson seems like he is always hurt as well. We never seem to get RB’s in the draft anymore. I will be curious to see who ends up leading the backfield next season.
 
TripleThreat said:
Upon quick rewatch...
2 consecutive end zone drops, Hill and Sherfield in the early 2nd Q resulted in a Mia FG
2 red zone defensive holding calls, Noah and X, at the end of half resulted in a Buf TD
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Hill and especially Sherfield's drop killed our momentum. That pass to Sheffield was on the money.
 
Feel like it is do or die this week. We either beat a not very good but suddenly resurgent Packers team at home to stop the slide or if we don't it could be over. @Todem agree with pretty much all your thoughts above and all played a roll in the Bills loss but I'd put the defense #1, plain and simple they are BAD. As much as I was not a fan of Flo and I'm glad he is gone he obviously knew how to call the defense. We have the same DC and much of the same personnel as the last two years but they look like a shell of themselves. Sure the secondary injuries are part of it but they just look bad in every aspect. A change in DC is going to be needed for certain.
 
"This was a clear case of a rookie coach blowing a game with his play calling.

Mostert was dominant. 11 for over 100 in the first half dominant. He carried the ball exactly 6 more times the rest of the game.....with a blizzard in the 4th quarter he is dropping Tua back......WTF are you doing Mike.

Cutting his teeth this season on learning to stick with what works. They were playing power football in that first half.....it is what set up that long Waddle TD. Why did we again abandon the run when our OL was mauling the Bills defense? If we commit to the run in that 4th quarter we win the game.

Simple as that.

Tua’s limitations again were on display as well. He is not ever going to be a QB who can take over a game.....and before I hear another post of “he does not have to with this team” watch the tape on what Josh Allen did to our defense in the 4th quarter.....that's called taking over a game and willing your team to a win."

-Smoking post and says a lot of how I feel about the team right now.

Defense...
Feels like it's Wilkins and Phillips vs 11 sometimes
Here's an idea, bench Chubb and start Van Ginkel
While RIP Van Ginkel is still in a Miami uniform
 
Question for MIA homers... has Tua been completely exposed? From an outsider looking in, and a Tua owner, ~50% completion pct. over the last 4 games feels like a landslide.

My options are to play Deshaun Watson in an arctic blast, or Tua at home vs GBP. Feels like an easy choice between these two, but now wondering if I should be looking at a streaming option (Minshew?).
 
We always seem to forget as fantasy football players that no position group can survive being decimated by injuries. It happens when an Offensive line gets crushed (It was cincy or Cleveland that lost 3 centers a few years ago), a WR room (baltimore), and most importantly a secondary (Baltimore, The Bills to start the season, Miami).

Miami has reached the point where we need to score to win. The D is screwed and trying to upgrade the pass rush with Chubb has not developed yet to mitigate losing some of our best pieces in the defensive backfield. The good news is the O line seems to be a strength now, and maybe we can win a few of these at home.

As for the Tua question: I would start him with confidence here at Home on Xmas day. Likely the best weather game on the schedule for the NFL
 
Dizzy said:
Question for MIA homers... has Tua been completely exposed? From an outsider looking in, and a Tua owner, ~50% completion pct. over the last 4 games feels like a landslide.

My options are to play Deshaun Watson in an arctic blast, or Tua at home vs GBP. Feels like an easy choice between these two, but now wondering if I should be looking at a streaming option (Minshew?).
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From a real life football perspective it is a legit question and one that needs to be looked at. But from a fantasy perspective unless your league cares about completion percentage he has remained solid, in my main league last week 27.4 (QB13, Herbert was QB22 not benching him), the week before he was bad with 18.1 (QB19), week 13 he put up 30.8 (QB4). So the last few weeks he's had a top 5 game, a game just outside the top 12 (and I doubt many people had Zach Wilson at 300 yards/2 TDs and Davis Mills at 3 total TDs who were right in front of him) and one stinker week which even wasn't a bottom of the barrel week. I think Tua has a higher upside and probably a higher floor then Watson or Minshew this week.
 
Dizzy said:
Question for MIA homers... has Tua been completely exposed? From an outsider looking in, and a Tua owner, ~50% completion pct. over the last 4 games feels like a landslide.

My options are to play Deshaun Watson in an arctic blast, or Tua at home vs GBP. Feels like an easy choice between these two, but now wondering if I should be looking at a streaming option (Minshew?).
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Tua was good in Buffalo, had some end-zone drops. I'd rate Tua a tad higher than Minshew. Both games should be high scoring, the o/u is in the high 40s.
 
@Todem

Miami has the #54 pick right now overall and they are being projected to take a RB, that area is typically where you find one of the better prospects, maybe not elite.
You get a strong player on a easy to digest 4 year Rookie deal, no large free agency dollars wasted like we did last year with Edmonds.
This team does not need a 2-Way RB or Superback, it doesn't need a RB that catches 40-50 balls, there isn't enough to go around now as it is with all the weapons at WR and TE.
They can dig around with some of their later picks but the idea better be to find a potential bell cow or guy that can handle 15-20 solid touches or carries a game.
And they need 2-3 more behind that guy because injuries seem to fly on these SF and SF Tree teams, look at the Jets which lost their stud RB Breece Hall as he was taking off.
How did some of these HoF RBs ever survive at the position?
 
Ministry of Pain said:
And they need 2-3 more behind that guy because injuries seem to fly on these SF and SF Tree teams, look at the Jets which lost their stud RB Breece Hall as he was taking off.
How did some of these HoF RBs ever survive at the position?
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How did Frank Gore make it through 16 seasons missing so few games? At age 35, he averaged 4.6 ypc for Miami with an 80.3 pff grade.

With one pick in round 2, two picks in round 3, we take BPA. We resign one of Wilson or Mostert, and go RB round 5 or later. Guess who might've been our 1st round selection forfeited by our genius owner... Bijan.
 
Greetings Phinsfans,

The reality is if Miami wins today they will open up a 2 game lead over almost anyone behind them, it could look like this

Miami 9-6
NYJ 7-8
New Eng 7-8
Pittsburgh 7-8
Jax/Ten 7-8/7-8

Wildcard could look like this
Baltimore 10-5...PIT, at Cin, 11-6 IMO
LA Chargers 9-6, assuming they win at Indy, LAR, at Den, 11-6 seems real
Miami 9-6 and the 7-seed which puts them in KC/Buff territory opening round...Hill on a return trip to KC would be bananas

1st things 1st, Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers
Let's not worry about '23
Let's focus on today in '22
I think it will be close and fingers crossed
We come out of this victorious
 
Honestly it’s a must win in my book. You lose 4 in row…..that’s the sign of a highly mediocre team. The national media was way to quick to crown us before December.
 
Such a bad beat.
Tua with the gift Int’s let’s that smug Rodgers hang around with playoff hopes. The Fins may not recover enough from this home loss that they could have easily won. What a shame.
 
I feel so empty right now
From 8-3 to 8-7 over 4 weeks
Oof!

We haven't progressed from Flores
Not in terms of wins and losses, Coach MM will not eclipse the 10 wins Flores did in 2020, perhaps not even the 9 in '21
This is not progress in advancing to the Playoffs

We can marvel at a lot of stats racked up on losing teams
But the Miami Dolphins have not moved the needle
It was a mirage

Patriots will beat Miami this week in New England even though they can't win a game of late either.
 
A tale of 2 halves. In Tua's first half of the season, he had MVP stats. In the first half of the GB game, we could've scored 30 points if not for the Mostert fumble and the holding penalties. In the 2nd halves, we're on a 4 game losing streak and MVP play from Tua could've won 2 of them.

Grier has mortgaged the future for this year and next with the trades for Hill and Chubb and the signing of Armstead, in terms of draft capital and cap space. That's not completely true ... billionaire owner Ross gave away our first in 2023. Tua looks like Brees at time, and an UDFA at other times. The only option to Tua is likely to be Skylar Thompson. Thinking of Brees, he always had a great receiving TE or a big body WR like Michael Thomas for shorter easier passes. I thought easy E would be that guy, it's a mystery why the preseason phenom hasn't gotten any playing time. Tua doesn't deserve an extension ... inconsistent play and injury risk. I think Boyer might be a scapegoat even though the defense had a ton of injuries in the secondary, we couldn't get pressure from our dline, and our linebackers aren't difference makers. The 2nd half shutdown defense from 2021 was a mirage - look at who we faced. But Boyer's defense has allowed too many big plays including the unforgivable and unforgettable 17 yard completion to Ekeler on 3rd and goal from the 18 yard line when we had 7 players lined up in the end zone.
 
Not to make excuses and times have changed, but Brees had 5 seasons in NO with 17 or more INTs, including 22 in 2010. Brady has never had more than 14 INTs in a season.
 
:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

Team just good enough to be frustrating. I want to believe they are like the Bills were when Brady was still in New England: On the cusp of being a great team for years to come. I'm sure th bills mafia was wondering the same thing. Yes, the Brees comparison works for Tua, especially early Brees, but I'd prefer early Marino to Early Brees if I could have it.

Not sure how my TV has not managed to be destroyed by this team. At least last years team respected me enough to suck on offense all the time.
 
The lack of a consistent running game really sticks out in games like yesterday. It is very clear that they can script a couple of big plays in both phases of the offense but they lack the ability to grind games out and end up relying on Tua to make plays at the end of games. Sometimes that goes well, yesterday it was horrid.
 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
GroveDiesel said:
Whoa. Tua in concussion protocol again.

Likely from this play in the 1st half

When do the Dolphins start getting some more heat for not protecting Tua from himself? Harder to totally blame Tua for the late game meltdown when he was concussed and shouldn’t have been in there.
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Well that helps to explain all the picks late.

Where is the independent neurologist in all of this? Not one team official noticed anything?
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Perhaps no symptoms at the time. I'm guessing he had headaches or other symptoms today. If he misses time because of this likely 3rd concussion, it might be best to get an injury settlement and become a coach.
 
SoBeDad said:
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
GroveDiesel said:
Whoa. Tua in concussion protocol again.

Likely from this play in the 1st half

When do the Dolphins start getting some more heat for not protecting Tua from himself? Harder to totally blame Tua for the late game meltdown when he was concussed and shouldn’t have been in there.
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Well that helps to explain all the picks late.

Where is the independent neurologist in all of this? Not one team official noticed anything?
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Perhaps no symptoms at the time. I'm guessing he had headaches or other symptoms today. If he misses time because of this likely 3rd concussion, it might be best to get an injury settlement and become a coach.
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I’d say there’s almost a zero percent chance that happens now. I do think the rest of his season should be in question though.
 
the game vs mike whites jets on jan 8th going to be a mini playoff game that the jets will win and knock the fins out. but miami should crush NE next week
 
Tua needs to retire for his own good
Just going to be one of those early retirements where fans always wonder what might have been
Miami simply needs to cut him a check for his 4th year
Dnot pick up his option and release him early in the off season so they can begin their search for the future

It's going to be a hard road, better to start the process quickly and not belabor it.
Time to kiss Grier good bye with 3 wasted 1st rd picks in 2020
Have to try and find a GM that can salvage this roster and find some answer at QB

Coach MM has not improved the team into any more wins than before he arrived
That's after Tyreek Hill, All pro Left tackle, this is a Playoff team and set up for the Playoffs but then it isn't
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Tua needs to retire for his own good
Just going to be one of those early retirements where fans always wonder what might have been
Miami simply needs to cut him a check for his 4th year
Dnot pick up his option and release him early in the off season so they can begin their search for the future

It's going to be a hard road, better to start the process quickly and not belabor it.
Time to kiss Grier good bye with 3 wasted 1st rd picks in 2020
Have to try and find a GM that can salvage this roster and find some answer at QB

Coach MM has not improved the team into any more wins than before he arrived
That's after Tyreek Hill, All pro Left tackle, this is a Playoff team and set up for the Playoffs but then it isn't
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Miami doesn't have a playoff defense. Less pressure from the front 7 than last year, the 2 Jones making limited or no contribution, the win streak last year was a mirage against mostly bad QBs, and we surprised Lamar. It's a little on Boyer, but we don't have a difference-maker like Bosa or Parsons, and X isn't the same. The offense is good enough to the make the playoffs with the improved oline and Tyreek, but the fast-strike approach doesn't help the defense. I agree that Tua should consider retiring. Maybe he can coach up some QBs such as Zach Wilson. I'd trade out 2023 2nd for Wilson, but within division trades don't happen often.

Grier whiffed on the 3 1st round picks in 2020, overpayed for Josh Rosen when he was bidding against himself, and overpayed for Chubb, again overbidding, and traded up for Liam in 2021, and drafted Hunter Long who has been a bust. But he has had some good picks, such as X, Wilkins, Phillips, Waddle, Holland, and several undrafted gems, such as Kahou, and stealing Sieler. But no way the Ross family gets rid of Grier IMO.
 
Ok, settle down. I’m frustrated with this team too, but we are completely better off then we were a year ago today thanks to guys like Ross, Grier, and the new coach. Our offense can score from anywhere on the field. We’ve gotten the best qb play (even with this uneven season by Tua) since number 13 was here. We have our most talented receiving corps since 13 was here, and the glaring issues we had in our oline are no longer glaring.

the defense is decimated. Khohu is a great story, but teams are just picking on him now when they need a catch. X is playing hurt, holland is playing somewhat hurt, and everyone else in the secondary is on IR. We have studs in wilkins, Phillips, sieler, on our d line and van ginkle and Chubb are solid (although Chubb is a bit of a disappointment)

whether we make the playoffs or not this team seems to be on the upswing. we are not the bills or the chiefs, but we were helpless against the bills last year. We got blown out twice. This year we were toe to toe with them, even in the snow. Ahead in both games. on our winning streak was their any team you were afraid to face? When we were down 6 yesterday after that hapless second half, you had a small glimmer that one play, one play, we could win. Last year? Not even that much…
 
Gatorman said:
Ok, settle down. I’m frustrated with this team too, but we are completely better off then we were a year ago today thanks to guys like Ross, Grier, and the new coach. Our offense can score from anywhere on the field. We’ve gotten the best qb play (even with this uneven season by Tua) since number 13 was here. We have our most talented receiving corps since 13 was here, and the glaring issues we had in our oline are no longer glaring.

the defense is decimated. Khohu is a great story, but teams are just picking on him now when they need a catch. X is playing hurt, holland is playing somewhat hurt, and everyone else in the secondary is on IR. We have studs in wilkins, Phillips, sieler, on our d line and van ginkle and Chubb are solid (although Chubb is a bit of a disappointment)

whether we make the playoffs or not this team seems to be on the upswing. we are not the bills or the chiefs, but we were helpless against the bills last year. We got blown out twice. This year we were toe to toe with them, even in the snow. Ahead in both games. on our winning streak was their any team you were afraid to face? When we were down 6 yesterday after that hapless second half, you had a small glimmer that one play, one play, we could win. Last year? Not even that much…
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Good take. But we really need to get a hearty QB in here. Tua is simply not the long term answer and we need to be decisive in that. He can’t stay healthy. And that has been the case since college.

You can’t blow three 1st round picks in the same draft and survive that.

We are seeing we took the wrong guy as I have maintained.

Grier blew the most important position on the field.

Bottom line.
 
Todem said:
Gatorman said:
Ok, settle down. I’m frustrated with this team too, but we are completely better off then we were a year ago today thanks to guys like Ross, Grier, and the new coach. Our offense can score from anywhere on the field. We’ve gotten the best qb play (even with this uneven season by Tua) since number 13 was here. We have our most talented receiving corps since 13 was here, and the glaring issues we had in our oline are no longer glaring.

the defense is decimated. Khohu is a great story, but teams are just picking on him now when they need a catch. X is playing hurt, holland is playing somewhat hurt, and everyone else in the secondary is on IR. We have studs in wilkins, Phillips, sieler, on our d line and van ginkle and Chubb are solid (although Chubb is a bit of a disappointment)

whether we make the playoffs or not this team seems to be on the upswing. we are not the bills or the chiefs, but we were helpless against the bills last year. We got blown out twice. This year we were toe to toe with them, even in the snow. Ahead in both games. on our winning streak was their any team you were afraid to face? When we were down 6 yesterday after that hapless second half, you had a small glimmer that one play, one play, we could win. Last year? Not even that much…
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Good take. But we really need to get a hearty QB in here. Tua is simply not the long term answer and we need to be decisive in that. He can’t stay healthy. And that has been the case since college.

You can’t blow three 1st round picks in the same draft and survive that.

We are seeing we took the wrong guy as I have maintained.

Grier blew the most important position on the field.

Bottom line.
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Well, you can pin that on Grier, but I think the owner had more of a say there than you think. Also, the phins Bama pipeline in general has been lackluster for us: (Tua, fitz, and drake all showed promise. Only waddle has lived up to the hype)

miami tried to trwde up in that draft for burrow. Cinci said no. Herbert is always going to be the one that got away I guess, but Miami can’t always draft the Marino in the class, sometimes we get the tony Eason Or ken o brien.

i think if anything good comes from this is Tua’s extension is now dolphin friendly. He might retire. 3 knocks in one year should have him considering that. So miami goes back t9 the qb well. Maybe a reunion w tanny hill?

even if we put qb back up as a need (I don’t think it is, but whatever) there are plenty of guys who will be available for McDaniel. All the offense needs is steady qb play and an answer at rb. Both will be available in droves this off-season, and Tua and Thompson (and likely williams and mosert) will still be on the team

defense needs a bunch of linebackers and some more secondary depth. Draft is full of that, even where we are picking.
 
Gatorman said:
Todem said:
Gatorman said:
Ok, settle down. I’m frustrated with this team too, but we are completely better off then we were a year ago today thanks to guys like Ross, Grier, and the new coach. Our offense can score from anywhere on the field. We’ve gotten the best qb play (even with this uneven season by Tua) since number 13 was here. We have our most talented receiving corps since 13 was here, and the glaring issues we had in our oline are no longer glaring.

the defense is decimated. Khohu is a great story, but teams are just picking on him now when they need a catch. X is playing hurt, holland is playing somewhat hurt, and everyone else in the secondary is on IR. We have studs in wilkins, Phillips, sieler, on our d line and van ginkle and Chubb are solid (although Chubb is a bit of a disappointment)

whether we make the playoffs or not this team seems to be on the upswing. we are not the bills or the chiefs, but we were helpless against the bills last year. We got blown out twice. This year we were toe to toe with them, even in the snow. Ahead in both games. on our winning streak was their any team you were afraid to face? When we were down 6 yesterday after that hapless second half, you had a small glimmer that one play, one play, we could win. Last year? Not even that much…
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Good take. But we really need to get a hearty QB in here. Tua is simply not the long term answer and we need to be decisive in that. He can’t stay healthy. And that has been the case since college.

You can’t blow three 1st round picks in the same draft and survive that.

We are seeing we took the wrong guy as I have maintained.

Grier blew the most important position on the field.

Bottom line.
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Well, you can pin that on Grier, but I think the owner had more of a say there than you think. Also, the phins Bama pipeline in general has been lackluster for us: (Tua, fitz, and drake all showed promise. Only waddle has lived up to the hype)

miami tried to trwde up in that draft for burrow. Cinci said no. Herbert is always going to be the one that got away I guess, but Miami can’t always draft the Marino in the class, sometimes we get the tony Eason Or ken o brien.

i think if anything good comes from this is Tua’s extension is now dolphin friendly. He might retire. 3 knocks in one year should have him considering that. So miami goes back t9 the qb well. Maybe a reunion w tanny hill?

even if we put qb back up as a need (I don’t think it is, but whatever) there are plenty of guys who will be available for McDaniel. All the offense needs is steady qb play and an answer at rb. Both will be available in droves this off-season, and Tua and Thompson (and likely williams and mosert) will still be on the team

defense needs a bunch of linebackers and some more secondary depth. Draft is full of that, even where we are picking.
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I wish I could ha e the confidence to say Tua is more than good enough….but his body of work clearly suggests otherwise. I am talking all 3 years. And yes year 3 has been a drastic improvement…but 4 straight losses and three of them Tua has floundered.

Agree.

QB
RB
LB
CB

Top needs.
 
Gatorman said:
Ok, settle down. I’m frustrated with this team too, but we are completely better off then we were a year ago today thanks to guys like Ross, Grier, and the new coach.
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You can make these statements and i don't want to fight with the fanbase that loves Miami every week win or lose, wish I had that kind of fandom but its been beaten out of me slowly, decade after decade. And I specifically want to stay away from getting into bickering and dickering with other fans, we're all supposed to be on the same team sorta speak and I don't want to project my opinions and emotions on to other posters.

But I could not be more 180 than what you wrote as an opening statement.
Is that fair without blasting your post and breaking it down word by word?
Quite frankly, the proof is in the wins and losses so no matter how you want to spin this
Miami is 8-7 Miami is 8-7 Miami is 8-7...

What was their record under Brian Flores? I posted very clearly when Coach MM took the job that he didn't have the luxury of going backwards.
Miami is 8-7, they have not moved the needle. They might have a slightly more entertaining offense at times and we as fans might feel special at times
But the reality is they are not winning any more games then they were before he arrived.
Miami went 10-7 under Flores in 2020 and then 9-8 in 2021.
19-15 but Ross, the gentleman you gave accolades to up top, Ross stated that wins or winning was not how they were measuring the head coaches here.
That statement is proving more and more true. His words, not MoP

Hope you had a great holiday
Sorry to hear you line up with Ross and Grier
I am still giving Coach MM plenty of slack
Seemed like an intelligent move to keep all 11 starters and the DC since Coach Mike was hired to correct the offense
And they blew the '23 1st on Chubb

Do you not see any of the things that people like myself, @SoBeDad and @Todem see?
You don't have to answer a single question that I pose, honestly.
I feel the stats and track record back most of the opinions that are put forth by the "skeptics" on this board.

Cheers!
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Gatorman said:
Ok, settle down. I’m frustrated with this team too, but we are completely better off then we were a year ago today thanks to guys like Ross, Grier, and the new coach.
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You can make these statements and i don't want to fight with the fanbase that loves Miami every week win or lose, wish I had that kind of fandom but its been beaten out of me slowly, decade after decade. And I specifically want to stay away from getting into bickering and dickering with other fans, we're all supposed to be on the same team sorta speak and I don't want to project my opinions and emotions on to other posters.

But I could not be more 180 than what you wrote as an opening statement.
Is that fair without blasting your post and breaking it down word by word?
Quite frankly, the proof is in the wins and losses so no matter how you want to spin this
Miami is 8-7 Miami is 8-7 Miami is 8-7...

What was their record under Brian Flores? I posted very clearly when Coach MM took the job that he didn't have the luxury of going backwards.
Miami is 8-7, they have not moved the needle. They might have a slightly more entertaining offense at times and we as fans might feel special at times
But the reality is they are not winning any more games then they were before he arrived.
Miami went 10-7 under Flores in 2020 and then 9-8 in 2021.
19-15 but Ross, the gentleman you gave accolades to up top, Ross stated that wins or winning was not how they were measuring the head coaches here.
That statement is proving more and more true. His words, not MoP

Hope you had a great holiday
Sorry to hear you line up with Ross and Grier
I am still giving Coach MM plenty of slack
Seemed like an intelligent move to keep all 11 starters and the DC since Coach Mike was hired to correct the offense
And they blew the '23 1st on Chubb

Do you not see any of the things that people like myself, @SoBeDad and @Todem see?
You don't have to answer a single question that I pose, honestly.
I feel the stats and track record back most of the opinions that are put forth by the "skeptics" on this board.

Cheers!
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Well, you are using the bill parcells line of “you are what your record says you are” but this is a shades of grey post, not a black and white one.
last year what was our reason for the 0-7 start? Wasn’t injuries. It was coaching. This year, what is the reason for our defensI’ve issues? Injuries, not coaching (well, some coaching. I think Boyer needs to go). A team is built to survive and injury or two two a position, but 4 starters? 3 qbs? Again most of us don’t have hill or waddle on our fantasy team bc we didn’t see this offense coming and we are the actual fans of the team.
the stats and track record of anyone on this board will look good betting on the negative. On,y one team hold the trophy at the end of the year. All the rest have concerns…
 
Tua 3rd concussion protocol this year?
He needs to be put on injured reserve immediately
No ifs, ands or buts about it
For his own long term health and any chance to salvage him getting on the field next year
I'm ready for the Skylar Thompson ride the last 2 weeks of the season, nothing to lose, going nowhere as the No 7 Seed anyways
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Tua 3rd concussion protocol this year?
He needs to be put on injured reserve immediately
No ifs, ands or buts about it
For his own long term health and any chance to salvage him getting on the field next year
I'm ready for the Skylar Thompson ride the last 2 weeks of the season, nothing to lose, going nowhere as the No 7 Seed anyways
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It won't happen, but I agree that we need to see if Skylar is at least a cheap adequate backup by playing him in the regular season. A great preseason and a couple of nice drives in the Vikings game under pressure, plus a struggle vs the Jets is all we know.

Teddy will not be with the team next year unless Tua retires and Teddy impresses in the next 2 games and takes a team-friendly contract. Every time I see Herbert play, I'm wondering what the Dolphin scouts didn't like about him. We sure could use that 1st round pick that Ross lost.
 
SoBeDad said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Tua 3rd concussion protocol this year?
He needs to be put on injured reserve immediately
No ifs, ands or buts about it
For his own long term health and any chance to salvage him getting on the field next year
I'm ready for the Skylar Thompson ride the last 2 weeks of the season, nothing to lose, going nowhere as the No 7 Seed anyways
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It won't happen, but I agree that we need to see if Skylar is at least a cheap adequate backup by playing him in the regular season. A great preseason and a couple of nice drives in the Vikings game under pressure, plus a struggle vs the Jets is all we know.

Teddy will not be with the team next year unless Tua retires and Teddy impresses in the next 2 games and takes a team-friendly contract. Every time I see Herbert play, I'm wondering what the Dolphin scouts didn't like about him. We sure could use that 1st round pick that Ross lost.
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Blew my mind when we passed on him. But I tried to get behind Tua.....and this season he has shown a lot more than the first two years....but his limitations were clearly on display in this 4 game stench.....I mean stretch. Buffalo he played well. But man......we are simply not leapfrogging The Bills (Allen) Chiefs (Mahomes) Bengals (Burrow) and yes the Chargers (Herbert) with Tua at the helm. Not going to happen folks. These 4 guys are on another planet compared to him. In so many ways.
 
I think @Gatorman put it best, 2021 we started 0-7 with everyone healthy then took advantage of other teams injuries and a weak schedule at the end of the year to give Flores his grounds for his lawsuit. It's looking like he was a good defensive coordinator but it is also clear he had no clue on offense. If they had sacked him when they were 0-7 not sure the season would have ended any differently. Now for this year, and maybe it is because after the start we had expectations but at least other then a couple games they have been fun to watch where as Flo's teams always looked to be just trying to hold on.

Offseason: Try by hook or crook to unload X, teams will make a stupid move for and elite CB (ie. see Byron Jones) if they think this year is a fluke but once he puts up another bad year you are sunk. I think he is done so off load him and get whatever pick you can. I can't say retirement might not be the best thing for Tua but trying to convince any athlete of that is near impossible, Andrew Luck is the exception not the rule in the way they think. I agree at this point especially if this shuts him down you don't pick up the option and maybe you bring Brady in next year on a one year deal. If Jimmy G had a health season maybe you consider him but he can't seem to play 17 games either.
 
SwampDawg said:
I think @Gatorman put it best, 2021 we started 0-7 with everyone healthy then took advantage of other teams injuries and a weak schedule at the end of the year to give Flores his grounds for his lawsuit. It's looking like he was a good defensive coordinator but it is also clear he had no clue on offense. If they had sacked him when they were 0-7 not sure the season would have ended any differently. Now for this year, and maybe it is because after the start we had expectations but at least other then a couple games they have been fun to watch where as Flo's teams always looked to be just trying to hold on.

Offseason: Try by hook or crook to unload X, teams will make a stupid move for and elite CB (ie. see Byron Jones) if they think this year is a fluke but once he puts up another bad year you are sunk. I think he is done so off load him and get whatever pick you can. I can't say retirement might not be the best thing for Tua but trying to convince any athlete of that is near impossible, Andrew Luck is the exception not the rule in the way they think. I agree at this point especially if this shuts him down you don't pick up the option and maybe you bring Brady in next year on a one year deal. If Jimmy G had a health season maybe you consider him but he can't seem to play 17 games either.
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I think the stars are aligning for brady here. Wow, won't that be weird...
 
2 issues. 1) Tua just doesn’t have the physical makeup to last as a QB in this league. He will always be hurt. No way he gets signed to a long term deal with guarantees. 2) when your passing game is all built on anticipating and delivering the ball where the receiver should be before the break it looks unstoppable when it works. It also leads to the most stupid looking picks when that timing or anticipation is off. There has to be a middle ground to reduce turnovers.
 
Judge Smails said:
2 issues. 1) Tua just doesn’t have the physical makeup to last as a QB in this league. He will always be hurt. No way he gets signed to a long term deal with guarantees. 2) when your passing game is all built on anticipating and delivering the ball where the receiver should be before the break it looks unstoppable when it works. It also leads to the most stupid looking picks when that timing or anticipation is off. There has to be a middle ground to reduce turnovers.
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This type of offense has been run 3 times in the NFL: The Kurt Warner Rams, The Spurrier Redskins, and now us. The difference in those three teams are the rams had a QB w an arm, the Redskins didn't and Miami is a "maybe"
 
The Miami Dolphins were not 0-7 in 2021
They were close but they were not 0-7 FYI
Maybe in 2019 before we drafted Tua
Just fact checking so we aren't speaking different languages

Bottom Line: Some fans want to MARVEL at Coach MM and his offense and disparage Coach Flores since he knew nothing about offense...Hmmmmmmm
If that is the case and we have post after post of unbridled enthusiasm over the offense, yet no remorse about how awful Coach MM is on Defense.

Flores might suck at Offense
MM might be equally terrible when it comes to Defense
Yes/No? Have the cake and eat it too, Must have it both ways?
You decide where you fall in this spectrum but the posts leading up to this point including today, they speak for themselves.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
The Miami Dolphins were not 0-7 in 2021
They were close but they were not 0-7 FYI
Maybe in 2019 before we drafted Tua
Just fact checking so we aren't speaking different languages

Bottom Line: Some fans want to MARVEL at Coach MM and his offense and disparage Coach Flores since he knew nothing about offense...Hmmmmmmm
If that is the case and we have post after post of unbridled enthusiasm over the offense, yet no remorse about how awful Coach MM is on Defense.

Flores might suck at Offense
MM might be equally terrible when it comes to Defense
Yes/No? Have the cake and eat it too, Must have it both ways?
You decide where you fall in this spectrum but the posts leading up to this point including today, they speak for themselves.
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Right now offense is king in the NFL, rules are just set up that way. The numbers will bear out you really need a top 10 unit on both sides to win a Super Bowl but rightly or wrongly I think most people see it as easier for a good defensive coordinator to be able to carry the defense while the offense needs a more offensive minded head coach to be a top unit. I tend to agree that at least in philosophy I'd rather have an offensive minded head coach because it will get more out of the QB that is the key position and find a strong DC to run the defense. I think with a defensive head coach you alienate the most important player on the team.
 
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