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2025 Miami Dolphins - 1-6, Currently hold the #2 pick in the draft. (16 Viewers)

26-7
7 minutes left in the 4th Q

-Miami will fall to 11-7 this year
-Miami went 9-9 last year

McDaniel is now 0-2 in the Playoffs

Skylar Thompson looked a lot better losing 34-31 at Buffalo last year than Tua tonight losing 26-7...Miami has NO OFFENSE, i thought this was Mikey McD's specialty?
Why is Mike McDaniel revered so much? What does he do that is so special to fans and people looking from the outside at this team?
Rich Eisen soundbites?

Pathetic effort tonight top to bottom, coaching to QB to the rest of the team
Miami sucked hard tonight, disappointing to see this as the end of the 2023 season

The needle has not moved

Brian Flores 19-15 his last 2 seasons as Miami Dolphins Head Coach who would not carry out Stephen Ross' requests with $$$ that he throw or lose football games.
M&M is 20-16, similar records and yet one is held in a Ghandi like light at the moment and the other is viewed as a terrible head coach that held Tua back
Hmmmmmmmmm, we might need to revisit this

Well, in the post mortem of the season there is always blame to go around, so lets get to what is good and what is not so good.

The good:
Aside from what MoP might feel (and I have no idea why he is still mentioning Flores): Miami has a good young coach. His players on both sides of the ball want to play for him and he gets the best out of them. He still needs to "mature" into the role and not everyone is Sean McVay, but the last coach alienated as many players as he uplifted, and his(Flores) defensive scheme had more issues than Miami's offense scheme did.

Miami's defense when healthy was top tier. Injuries derailed a likely championship caliber D. Now, it does need some work. The Linebackers and the Slot corner position needs to be better. Anytime Allen or Mahomes needed to make a play, one was available over the middle where the Linebackers or Kader Kouhu was.

Tua: he will be in the "Bad" as well, but he led the league in passing and until things started to fall apart in December you felt no lead against us was safe.

The Running game: Achane is the guy. We will always have a committee approach, but the kid can ball. We are no longer "looking" for our RB. He is now on the roster on a rookie contract. Wilson, Mosert, whomever will be the "complimentary" back.

The Offensive line and OLine coaching. Excellent Job. Can't say enough of how this mash unit was able to both protect Tua and Open holes for the running game. Most of our O line woes (remember the Flores lines with essentially the same players) have been solved.

The interior Defensive line: Seiler, Watson, and the other guys simply changed games.

The Bad:

Injuries: Some would call this "bad luck" but the past few years have been marked by some really bad injuries to key players. Last year it was Tua. This year it was everyone BUT Tua. Baltimore changed their Strength and conditioning staff after the issues they had a few years ago. Maybe this needs to be addressed?

Dumb Penalties: When you are an "on the cusp" team you have to be better diciplined. Chubb, Watson both had bad penalties in games that were outcome changers. Penalties as much as wins and losses are a coaches stat. Shula and Tony Sporano were the only phins coaches who's teams were the least penalized. They are also the last coaches to win the AFCE.

In game coaching: This has to improve. I think McDaniel takes his scheme too much for granted and builds his counterpunches the week after a team shows it to him. Self Scouting and in game adjustments need to evolve. Your run game can score from anywhere, yet the "jet sweep" style concepts have not been seen in 5 weeks.

The QB position: Tua is likely the type of QB that needs everything perfectly set up around him to succeed. Can we win a championship with him? I think so, but he is not a QB anyone fears ala Mahomes, Allen, Stroud, Purdy, Rodgers, etc. I'm not sure we can "swtich" tracks on this in any meaningful way, but McDaniel needs to decide what he wants to Develop at QB beyond Tua. Maybe a reclamation project like a Mac Jones, or a day 2/3 draft pick. I use the perfect "What if" scenario: What if the Dolphins took Purdy in the 7th round rather than Skylar Thompson? Where would this team be? Teams should always be "developing" Qbs. Mike White may have been a decent add, but if he and Skylar are in the room next year Miami is not improving at the position no matter what Tua's status is. Tua needs to keep working on his game. Brees get himself into sick shape and had a lengthy and stellar career. Tua solved the concussion problems with judo and a new helmet. Now he needs to add a running game and some "pocket breakdown" moves when things get ugly.

The Offensive Line: Kudos to what they managed to do, but its time to draft and develop a center/guard regardless of Connor Williams' status. Eich is a good "depth" Player and tough as heck, but if you need to start him at any position for more than 5 games then you didn't build your line correctly. We saw what Creed Humphrey did last night and I was screaming for the Phins to draft him but we took Eich instead. Imagine if Our first three picks were Holland, Phillips, and Creed????

Linebacking: Not sure what linebackers are supposed to look like in Fangio's system, but the ones in Baltimore and Buffalo are faster and better than what we got.

Slot Corner: No more Kader Kouhu. Either develop a better boundry corner and move Ramsey into the slot as he gets older, or get one who can compete. Also, we still need more depth at corner.

The Draft: Stop drafting guys that don't play. Tindall in 2022, Can Smith this year, The WR who sat on the bench the whole year in 2022 (Ekzuma) and got hurt this year. Players need live reps. If you are going to use a second day pick on a guy he has to be able to contribute. If Cam smith sucks then either the scout who got him should be fired or the guy coaching him. No player maybe other than a QB gets better sitting on the bench a whole season.

I'd say our window is open and 11 wins is nothing to sneeze at. Everyone, Coach, assistant coaches, players, etc, need to develop.

This sums it up pretty well.

What started out as such a fun season came crashing down again in the stretch run. Speed & finesse get punched in the mouth on the road/cold come playoff time.

Whether we like it or not, McDaniel & Tua will be here for the forseeable future. Can only hope McDaniel improves and learns from his mistakes. There are just ZERO in game adjustments to what opposing defenses do to the Dolphins offense. Lot of fans in Miami want play calling to come form someone else besides McD. Always abandoning the run game has been going on for McDaniels entire time here.

Not worried about Fangio and the defense, everywhere he’s gone his defense has improved in Year 2 as he brings in more guys to fit his scheme.

I’ve said this before, but our special teams coach (Crossman) and punter (Bailey) should not be back next year.

Players I don‘t see back with the team next year - X (still a solid corner but not worth 25 mil a year), Baker, Ogbah, Berrios, Apple, Kohou, Claypool, Riley, Mike White, Chosen.

Draft & FA needs to focus on Oline (again), the entire LB core, and CB.

The issue with Howard will be can we find a better corner for less than he counts against our cap? Not saying he is worth 25 Mil, but depending on how he affects our cap (kind of like Armstrong at LT) it may be better to keep him and Move some of his money around.

I think the LBs need to change, and Baker as much of a gamer as he is, needs to go. Ogbah is gone. Berrios who knows? He wasn't a bad player but I think Trent Sherfield was a better guy for this team.
Howard is going to have to be released
$25M cap hit, $11M to cut him post June 1st and that can be spread over 2 seasons and we won't feel it as much. He is injured all the time and I cannot remember him making one single big play that helped turn games around or made us better this year. I loved him 3-4 years ago but I am tired of paying him and he's never around

Plus he squeezed Miami a couple times for some more money and they have given it to him. I don't have a lot of mercy for him right now
He will save Miami about $20m on the cap for '24 if they release or he has to take a pay cut and restructure but his contract is pretty set, hard to restructure him, many others you can.
Armstead isn't going anywhere until they draft a replacement IMHO
 
Love reading the post-season analysis from you guys. Agree with a lot, disagree with some. But I wanted to touch on something that no one has delved deeply into yet, and that is Chris Grier. Moreso than McDaniel, should Grier be on the hot seat in 2024 if things start coming apart? I was disappointed with the lack of production from some of his draft picks over the last couple years (which has been discussed a bit), but I did some number crunching to see how poorly his picks have been.

For this exercise, I removed picks 1-20 where you are drafting stud players that should be immediate stars. Grier has done very well here since 2016 with players like Tunsil, Minkah, Wilkins, Tua, Jackson (after a couple years), Waddle and Phllips. It should be much harder to miss with this level of player and he really hasn't totally struck out once (opinions on Tua and Jackson aside).

I wanted to look at late 1st (after top 20) to 4th round picks. These are players who should come in, and range from immediate starters to some solid role players and quality depth. I counted 23 picks from 2016 to 2023.

Hits (no complaints here, 5 total) - Howard (2016, 2nd), Baker (2018, 3rd), Hunt (2020, 2nd), Holland (2021 2nd), Achane (2023, 3rd).

Mid-level (did their role, but probably could have gotten someone better, 6 total) - Drake (2016, 3rd), Gesicki (2018, 2nd), Smythe (2018, 4th), Davis (2020, 2nd), Jones (2020, 3rd), Eichenberg (2021, 2nd)

Bust (very little if any value, 12 total) - Carroo (2016, 3rd), Harris (2017, 1st), McMillan (2017, 2nd), Tankersley (2017, 3rd), Ballage (2018, 4th), Deiter (2019, 3rd), Igbinoghene (2020, 1st), Kindley (2020, 4th), Long (2021, 3rd), Tindall (2022, 3rd), Ezukanma (2022, 4th), Smith (2023, 2nd). Asterisks on Tindall/Ezukanma/Smith as they could turn it around I guess.

So totally missing on 50% of your late 1st-4th round picks over the last 7 drafts seems really bad. And these aren't even just players that are really bad. Many of them can't even make it on to the field. There is the depth that was missing from the 2023 team when starters got hurt that led to Miami picking up unwanted free agents, some well past their prime. Howard gets hurt, sure would have been nice to have that 2020 1st round or 2023 2nd round CB ready to step in. Down goes Jerome Baker. Could have used that 2022 3rd round linebacker to play a little.

It just seems like other teams get a lot more production out of their higher picks. Maybe it is not such a bad thing to for Miami to trade them away.


TLDR: Grier's late first to 4th round picks (picks 21 to 100) have a 50% complete bust rate at best and 75% fail rate if you are very harsh on grading.
 
Love reading the post-season analysis from you guys. Agree with a lot, disagree with some. But I wanted to touch on something that no one has delved deeply into yet, and that is Chris Grier. Moreso than McDaniel, should Grier be on the hot seat in 2024 if things start coming apart? I was disappointed with the lack of production from some of his draft picks over the last couple years (which has been discussed a bit), but I did some number crunching to see how poorly his picks have been.

For this exercise, I removed picks 1-20 where you are drafting stud players that should be immediate stars. Grier has done very well here since 2016 with players like Tunsil, Minkah, Wilkins, Tua, Jackson (after a couple years), Waddle and Phllips. It should be much harder to miss with this level of player and he really hasn't totally struck out once (opinions on Tua and Jackson aside).

I wanted to look at late 1st (after top 20) to 4th round picks. These are players who should come in, and range from immediate starters to some solid role players and quality depth. I counted 23 picks from 2016 to 2023.

Hits (no complaints here, 5 total) - Howard (2016, 2nd), Baker (2018, 3rd), Hunt (2020, 2nd), Holland (2021 2nd), Achane (2023, 3rd).

Mid-level (did their role, but probably could have gotten someone better, 6 total) - Drake (2016, 3rd), Gesicki (2018, 2nd), Smythe (2018, 4th), Davis (2020, 2nd), Jones (2020, 3rd), Eichenberg (2021, 2nd)

Bust (very little if any value, 12 total) - Carroo (2016, 3rd), Harris (2017, 1st), McMillan (2017, 2nd), Tankersley (2017, 3rd), Ballage (2018, 4th), Deiter (2019, 3rd), Igbinoghene (2020, 1st), Kindley (2020, 4th), Long (2021, 3rd), Tindall (2022, 3rd), Ezukanma (2022, 4th), Smith (2023, 2nd). Asterisks on Tindall/Ezukanma/Smith as they could turn it around I guess.

So totally missing on 50% of your late 1st-4th round picks over the last 7 drafts seems really bad. And these aren't even just players that are really bad. Many of them can't even make it on to the field. There is the depth that was missing from the 2023 team when starters got hurt that led to Miami picking up unwanted free agents, some well past their prime. Howard gets hurt, sure would have been nice to have that 2020 1st round or 2023 2nd round CB ready to step in. Down goes Jerome Baker. Could have used that 2022 3rd round linebacker to play a little.

It just seems like other teams get a lot more production out of their higher picks. Maybe it is not such a bad thing to for Miami to trade them away.


TLDR: Grier's late first to 4th round picks (picks 21 to 100) have a 50% complete bust rate at best and 75% fail rate if you are very harsh on grading.
Grier's actual draft picks tend to be mediocre
2020- Three 1st Rd picks after stripping the team down
Tua- Lot of questions still for many of us
Austin Jackson-Avg Right Tackle, his 3rd position they tried to fill as he failed at LT and LG so now he's extended for 3 years but most don't see him as top level
Igbo-Late 1st Rd DB that never did much here and traded to Dallas for almost nothing

2022 and 2023 he traded for Tyreek Hill and he traded for Jalen Ramsey
He's much better at trading for established players but that doesn't make the cap easy to navigate
Miami needs an influx of youngsters out of the Draft so they can keep paying some of these more established players

Miami is not good at Drafting, I feel that hasn't changed much in like 20-25 years
Jimmy Johnson could Draft players but after he was done it's been down hill for the most part
There is a reason Miami has not won a Playoff game since 2000

But Ross is not about to fire Grier by my estimation, not even close right now so I don't bring him up much.
 
I'm fine with them ridding themselves of Fangio, Ross can waste all the money he wants on coach salaries, no impact on the Cap
His forfeiture of our 1st Rd pick is hard to measure what that left us short and then Grier wasting a few 1st, not sure Waddle was worth 2 first rd picks
We had to go trade for Tyreek Hill on top of that

Who is Miami going to bring in? They have a lot of injuries and guys that likely will start on the PUP at Edge going into next season
 
Very impressed that they parted ways with Fangio. His scheme was an awful fit for Miami and there were no adjustments despite serious injuries.

Realistically the best offseason news we could get.
 
I'll relieve you guys of having to figure out the Cap, it's something I relish and it will make it easier for many of you to point to free agents and also players that could be leaving and who we could look at resigning.

"Here We Go!" -Dak

Tyreek Hill - $31M that can be cut to $19M with a base salary res-structure which is exactly what my plan is with the Top 6 Cap hits for 2024, not a one of them is going to say no to money put directly in their pocket so we can relieve cap space and keep as many as possible, these players won't lose a single dime.

Jalen Ramsey - $27M....$20M with a base salary re-structure
Bradley Chubb - $27M...$12.5M and since he won't be ready to roll Week 1, yeah he will be happy to just take more money directly from Ross
X. Howard - In lieu of a trade which may or may not happen...$25M cap hit can be dropped down to $16.5M, and then possibly we could trade him at a better cap hit and price?
Armstead can save us about $8M and Sieler can save us another $5M by taking less base salary and more bonus money on the spot.
That's how they get these guys to cooperate. Miami saves almost $55M if not more dong it this way and I can even cut $1.5M off Smythe but that's peanuts compared to the others.

And that's before I release Ogbah $17M, Baker(maybe) $14.5M, Mike White $5.2M, Ingold $4.7M Jason Sanders $4.5M, and Jeff Wilson $3.7M
All that salary $50M minus the cap hits and a couple of them are post June 1st but that will save the Phins almost $40M in salary cap relief
Baker at MLB is still about $4M to release but post June 1st that could even be spread out.

-Miami is losing $10M in cap space for Byron Jones who is no longer in the NFL
😿

Add that $40M in cuts + $55M in re-structured salaries = $95M in cap space to counter the $51M they are over right now.
MoP math is never very good but 95-51 = $44M they can play around with AND if they extend Tua, we all know that his $23M cap hit will become something like $1M in year 1 of the deal and that would give Miami another $20m to play with in 2024 so please don't cry poor or pretend we cannot compete when it comes to bringing in potential talent to help this team
Or they reshape it if they wanted over the next 2-3 years depending on what truly transpires with Tua.

-$51 Million currently on their cap
BUT MoP Math says +$44M when you dive deep into the numbers
 
Anthony Campanile is our LB Coach since like 2020 and had the Edge/OLBs playing at a high level and I would say both Bakerand Long were having productive seasons so he should at least get a long interview. He's 41 yrs old, a future DC, why not try him here and keep the continuity of the team together?

Short list of others with an axe to grind and the list is pretty short but...Ron Rivera is a guy I want to speak to if I'm Chris Grier,
He's got experience working for some of the worst owners in the NFL so he'd fit right in around here.
 
Thanks for the math @Ministry of Pain

We need cap space to fill a few holes, since we only have a 1st and 2nd, no 3rd (thanks Ross) or 4th. I'm thinking draft BPA, and there are some highly rated olinemen expected to be there at 1.21. With FA, I expect us to spend some $ on a C, TE, EDGE. Liam is a useful backup, can play all positions, but shouldn't be a starter in game 1. BTW, he was another Grier tradeup. I don't think any of those tradeups have been a net plus, except many moons ago when he traded up for X.

Fangio never gave Cam Smith a chance, now we go into 2024 not knowing if he can play CB in this league.

Best DC would be Flores. He's not getting any HC job offers, even though he has a better resume than many. I wonder if he'd agree to replace Fangio for $6 mil a year! Let bygones be bygones, plus we'd get a 3rd round comp if he ever got a HC job. I think Staley or Campanile get the DC job, Camp has worked under Flores and Fangio.
 
Thanks for the math @Ministry of Pain

We need cap space to fill a few holes, since we only have a 1st and 2nd, no 3rd (thanks Ross) or 4th. I'm thinking draft BPA, and there are some highly rated olinemen expected to be there at 1.21. With FA, I expect us to spend some $ on a C, TE, EDGE. Liam is a useful backup, can play all positions, but shouldn't be a starter in game 1. BTW, he was another Grier tradeup. I don't think any of those tradeups have been a net plus, except many moons ago when he traded up for X.

Fangio never gave Cam Smith a chance, now we go into 2024 not knowing if he can play CB in this league.

Best DC would be Flores. He's not getting any HC job offers, even though he has a better resume than many. I wonder if he'd agree to replace Fangio for $6 mil a year! Let bygones be bygones, plus we'd get a 3rd round comp if he ever got a HC job. I think Staley or Campanile get the DC job, Camp has worked under Flores and Fangio.
Flores?
:lol: never

Follow up on Howard
$26M almost in cap hit, post June 1st can be sliced to $11M and that can be cut in half over '24 and '25 as the cap is rising so think long and hard how much you want him here.
Miami can likely reduce his cap hit from $26M to like $6M so that's $20M on 1 player that didn't impact a lot of games this year.

I also am aware that Miami cannot draft.
It hurts to see talent leave and put your chips down on Grier's ability to draft talent.
Cam Smith never saw the field last year.
 
UFAs that could be leaving Miami...

DT-Christian Wilkins, rates most of the time very highly at his position despite not having a lot of sacks. it would be a major loss to watch him walk out as a former 1st Rd pick
Played all 5 seasons including his 5th year option and he wants a lot of money, at least a Top 5-10 paid spot at DT but his immediate cap hit might not be felt as bad as in '25.

Williams and Hunt...both were Top 50 picks in the 2nd Rd of the Draft, they are the types you hope to hit on when you are drafting in the 25-50 range.
Well, here they are and you can sign them and bring them back. Hunt was drafted by Miami so maybe they should start with him.
Austin Jackson received a 3 yr/$36M extension and he's kinda average but had a decent '23 season.
-Jackson only counts $4M against the '24 Cap, not sure how that's possible but it's backloaded and they can salary re-structure him in '25

Hunt will likely get something like 4/$50M on the open market, could be a little less or years slightly different but if I'm Miami I don't let him leave
Connor Williams is likely to cost even more but I am inclined to use up some of the anticipated $40M Miami will have and use a chunk of it to shore up the OL
If Miami can find real replacements that cost less, go for it but I would prefer they keep as many as they can from the same OL and allow cohesiveness to continue
I think it had a lot to do with Mostert success this past season, career year for sure and I don't expect a repeat with Achane entering Year 2 but Miami must get their IOL set

-Van Ginkel, you cannot let this Swiss army knife walk out the door, he was the glue at times on defense.

Those 4 are my biggest concerns right now
 
Has anyone seen the video of Jevon Holland kicking rocks at the end of his drive way after Fangio was fired?
I'm not sure what to make of that. I do want to discuss why Mike McDaniel is still unsettled on his defensive personnel going into Year 3.
-I am starting to circle the wagons on things that are good and we can continue to build on

WEAPONS!
-Miami must have them in spades at this point...Hill(wasted prime year), Waddle(Injured often all year), Achane looks like he could be special and of course Mostert plus the combo of Cracraft/Berrios at the 3-4 slots was working very well early in the season and they went away from this formula.

-On Defense they locked up Ramsey, that's a weapon at Cornerback. They had weapons at the Edge positions and they sustained catastrophic injury to the starters and then the back ups to the starters and that coupled with devastating injuries along the OL that was performing at a high level just did this Miami team in.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water and if you don't know that saying's origins I invite you to look it up, I was shocked to learn as I was touring a very old home recently,
So there are many good things but we have some obvious limitations and I'm not sure those are ever going to change.

A Head Coach that doesn't even try to pretend to understand defense, let the incumbent run things when he got here, that didn't work s he allowed a legend at DC to run it all and that did not work out well either so where does McD go from here? I listed a couple names already.
 
Any interest in Henry in Miami? Add a power running game option to go with the explosive offense?
The one thing I have learned about McDanel since he arrived is speed, speed and more speed.
Henry is not slow last time I checked but he is known for power and any time he enters the game in a Miami uniform, dead giveaway they are running.
We have a guy named Chris Brooks who will return in '24, think he is slated to be the bigger back when they need it and could send Jeff Wilson on his way out.
Wilson is close to $4M in salary and like $500k to cut, they likely go that route. Mostert is under contract, how could they send him on his way after the season he just had?
And Mostert will again not be asked to carry the ball every time, Achane should shoulder a good chunk of the load and Brooks and perhaps UDFA will compete for an RB3/4 slot.

Early MoP tea leaves would suggest no big name will be brought in at RB
Find the guys with the fastest 40 times be it at the combine or private workout, that's what they value above all else.
I'd like to see Hill, Waddle, Achane and Mostert all run the 40 at the same exact time
 
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Facts...Tua led the league in passing and is starting in the Pro Bowl and received no extension yet from the same Draft class where Burrow, Herbert and Hurts $$$
Grier said it's Miami's intentions to extend Tua and have him a long time...that sounds more and more vague as I keep back channeling and pressing for more info

I never said much but I wondered why the Dolphins didn't just put a contract in front of him, the price is way more now than it would have been 12 months ago
Miami is going to get some offers, do they feel better building out the rest of the team and strengthening the OL, then drafting another 1st Rd QB that would walk in on a rookie contract and have a team ready to roll

I'm all about Moneyball and the best plan is one with a strong team everywhere but QB and then let that roll for 2-3 years with a strong QB prospect.
I'm all in, trade Tua and get a couple 1st Rd picks, just keep stacking picks Chris because eventually you can trade them like you enjoy doing.
I hear Grier is one heckuva poker player, this is not something I thought he was capable of doing but it would show great forward thinking by Grier
 
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I'm all in, trade Tua and get a couple 1st Rd picks,

No one is giving up a couple of 1st round picks for Tua or even 1.
If 3 teams are calling about Tua's availability since he is on a 5th Year Option that Miami picked up...
I appreciate that you don't believe Tua is worth anything in a trade
Maybe you're just thinking about the No 1-2-3 pocks...there is 32 picks in the 1st Rd and 32 more the next year
There is always 32 picks, well....there wasn't 32 picks this year, there was 31 in the 1st Rd
:whistle:

-Too much chatter and when you have several potential suitors, you have a market to start fairly high.

Starting Pro Bowl QBs getting set to sign their 2nd contract don't become available every day, you can ay nobody will trade anything for him but I do not share that POV
I think there are plenty of QB thirsty teams that will be happy to take him off our hands.
Ask yourself why Miami hasn't extended him already? I think Grier is playing a very high stakes poker game right now, almost signaling by not extending that they are willing to trade him.
Go Grier Go!
 
MoP; where is the link to this rumor/speculation? Not disagreeing with you, just want to see it.

Who would Miami bring in that is a better option than Tua (remember this team is (in their mind) in play for a Superbowl run. Taking Tua off the team for a rookie is a rebuilding move, not an "all in" idea)? Cousins likely leads the list here as he is the Shanahan Hard on QB so I'm sure McDaniel feels the same way. There is no other veteran out there on a roster that fits unless you think Miami moves on the Chicago QB. Drafting a guy resets the clock, but on that reset you lose hill, Ramsey,chubb, etc's value.
 
I'm all in, trade Tua and get a couple 1st Rd picks,

No one is giving up a couple of 1st round picks for Tua or even 1.

Teams make moves all the time and bid against themselves always. The question becomes who wants in? Now, I agree with you that Tua likely has the most value staying here in Miami, but if Atlanta came calling? The NFC south is wide open and Atlanta is likely a QB away from making noise here.

I really do not see this Dolphins' regime moving away from Tua unless his contract demands make no sense to the organization. If that is the case, I see Miami moving forward with Cousins as the "wish for" and Jimmy G as the "we couldn't get no on else".
 
Any interest in Henry in Miami? Add a power running game option to go with the explosive offense?
As a fan of Miami and Henry I'd love to see this, but I think Miami has to make some financial decisions and they can stay "on the cheap" in the RB room with Achane on his rookie deal and Mosert or Wilson as the back up and Brooks as the #3 guy. Adding back ingold at 4 mil means teh whole RB room likely costs Miami what Henry would likely want just for himself. You can't have high prices vets at every position so RB and LB will likely be where Miami drafts or buys cheap.
 
I'm all in, trade Tua and get a couple 1st Rd picks,

No one is giving up a couple of 1st round picks for Tua or even 1.

Teams make moves all the time and bid against themselves always. The question becomes who wants in? Now, I agree with you that Tua likely has the most value staying here in Miami, but if Atlanta came calling? The NFC south is wide open and Atlanta is likely a QB away from making noise here.

I really do not see this Dolphins' regime moving away from Tua unless his contract demands make no sense to the organization. If that is the case, I see Miami moving forward with Cousins as the "wish for" and Jimmy G as the "we couldn't get no on else".
Hey bud, I agree with you that my logical brain says Miami will extend Tua for Top 5 money at the position, I'd be a fool to argue with you about it.
But it's because I won't argue about Tua being paid a lot of money, is the same reason I feel like there is a lot of truth to 3+ teams out there kicking the tires
You have a Pro Bowl QB that is entering Year 5 as a Top-6 pick at QB, the most coveted position in the NFL, special rules just to protect them.
You also have a QB that only threw 12 TD in his last 10 starts, I was shocked when I read this but its true.

-You and I go way back now over many seasons and you've encouraged me to keep the faith and I appreciate it. I just want you to have clarity on where I truly am.
I honor the game plan of build out both sides of the lines, playmakers all over at the skill spots and also at Edge/DB on Defense...and you know what? Miami is loaded with a lot of this
Injuries are going to set us back and maybe we need to make a move or two to counter some of that but overall I feel a lot of QBs could walk in here and have success

Because of that I am inclined to not overpay for a QB that does not truly tip the scales our way. I mean no disrespect to Tua, he's a terrific player and has been an absolute role model for the type of players we want around this team. That said, we know there is a ceiling here and it will take a lot of things lining up almost perfect for Tua to take Miami to a Championship

I think Miami should perhaps focus on the Draft and positioning themselves to roll the dice on a few QBs that won't be taken in the Top 5 picks. We can discuss this over the coming months, I'm going to keep an open mind and it's possible Miami will ask Tua to play under his 5th yr option...he did play for just $4M this past season, so $23M is a big pay raise but you and I both know he should be getting paid more...my number is like $30-$35M but that's never gonna happen. It's either 5th Yr or he gets a lot of guaranteed money or Grier puts his poker skillls to work and I think we're both fans of his trades and moves, Draft picks are another discussion, he certainly has struck out on many but he also has Miami back to relevancy from the ashes they were stripped down to. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts about the off season, Draft, and '24.

-Cheers!
 
Tua needs help from McDaniel AND Grier.

McDaniel is a big outlier in his use of TEs. Only AFC team with no TE TDs. Only 41 total TE receptions in 17 games. We need someone to complement Hill and Smythe; you can't just use those big bodies for blocking when playing good defenses. Hill showed some YAC on a couple of his receptions. McDaniel also needs to get more creative in using his RBs in the passing game. One wheel route pass all season long to Achane and it almost went for 6.

We also could use a big bodied over the middle WR to give easy completions to Tua. I'm thinking Colston and Thomas like Brees had for many years under Payton. Tua has a high PFF rating because he's made alot of nice chunk throws, many into tight windows. He needs some easier options when playing good defenses.
 

-Asst Head Coach from the Ravens already on his resume
He is set to be named the DC in Miami, that cannot be bad thing IMHO, Ravens Defense was pretty darn good this year
60 sacks! I want to see some of that here and a focus on the defense for a while over the offense which is still loaded with playmakers

The Chiefs have a so so offense, great defense and they are in the Super Bowl again this year
We need this Defense to be healthy and we might need another playmaker or two
I'm disturbed that Cam Smith could never make the field with injuries allowing him to walk in and start, but he didn't. Inactive most of the time.
I hope Weaver can make a difference

-Guy is an ex-player from '02-'08 and has been an asst coach for a long time, still only 42 and looks like he doesn't put up with much ****.
I'd like to see the DC step out of the booth and get down there on the sidelines with the players. When the Defense is on the field I don't want to see Mike McDaniel close ups on the sidelines, I want to see Weaver front and center.

My knee jerk reaction is I like it. Mainly due to the age mixed with a lot of experience including being a player, he's gotta command respect when he enters the room.
I hate Fangio from the moment he was jackass at the press conference, he never really wanted to be here IMHO, runs to Philly right after, good riddance
Let's get someone younger and more forward thinking that can make in game changes and adjustments as needed.
Good job Grier
 
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-Asst Head Coach from the Ravens already on his resume
He is set to be named the DC in Miami, that cannot be bad thing IMHO, Ravens Defense was pretty darn good this year
60 sacks! I want to see some of that here and a focus on the defense for a while over the offense which is still loaded with playmakers

The Chiefs have a so so offense, great defense and they are in the Super Bowl again this year
We need this Defense to be healthy and we might need another playmaker or two
I'm disturbed that Cam Smith could never make the field with injuries allowing him to walk in and start, but he didn't. Inactive most of the time.
I hope Weaver can make a difference

-Guy is an ex-player from '02-'08 and has been an asst coach for a long time, still only 42 and looks like he doesn't put up with much ****.
I'd like to see the DC step out of the booth and get down there on the sidelines with the players. When the Defense is on the field I don't want to see Mike McDaniel close ups on the sidelines, I want to see Weaver front and center.

My knee jerk reaction is I like it. Mainly due to the age mixed with a lot of experience including being a player, he's gotta command respect when he enters the room.
I hate Fangio from the moment he was jackass at the press conference, he never really wanted to be here IMHO, runs to Philly right after, good riddance
Let's get someone younger and more forward thinking that can make in game changes and adjustments as needed.
Good job Grier
I think you'll like Weaver a lot. I'm not sure what his "style" will be as a playcaller, but he knows how to coach guys up. Justin Madabiuke should give half of his upcoming jackpot to Weaver.

Man, the Ravens' coaching staff got decimated AGAIN. But they keep developing new guys.
 

-Asst Head Coach from the Ravens already on his resume
He is set to be named the DC in Miami, that cannot be bad thing IMHO, Ravens Defense was pretty darn good this year
60 sacks! I want to see some of that here and a focus on the defense for a while over the offense which is still loaded with playmakers

The Chiefs have a so so offense, great defense and they are in the Super Bowl again this year
We need this Defense to be healthy and we might need another playmaker or two
I'm disturbed that Cam Smith could never make the field with injuries allowing him to walk in and start, but he didn't. Inactive most of the time.
I hope Weaver can make a difference

-Guy is an ex-player from '02-'08 and has been an asst coach for a long time, still only 42 and looks like he doesn't put up with much ****.
I'd like to see the DC step out of the booth and get down there on the sidelines with the players. When the Defense is on the field I don't want to see Mike McDaniel close ups on the sidelines, I want to see Weaver front and center.

My knee jerk reaction is I like it. Mainly due to the age mixed with a lot of experience including being a player, he's gotta command respect when he enters the room.
I hate Fangio from the moment he was jackass at the press conference, he never really wanted to be here IMHO, runs to Philly right after, good riddance
Let's get someone younger and more forward thinking that can make in game changes and adjustments as needed.
Good job Grier
I think you'll like Weaver a lot. I'm not sure what his "style" will be as a playcaller, but he knows how to coach guys up. Justin Madabiuke should give half of his upcoming jackpot to Weaver.

Man, the Ravens' coaching staff got decimated AGAIN. But they keep developing new guys.
Hoping he can bring Queen along for the ride to Miami.
 

-Asst Head Coach from the Ravens already on his resume
He is set to be named the DC in Miami, that cannot be bad thing IMHO, Ravens Defense was pretty darn good this year
60 sacks! I want to see some of that here and a focus on the defense for a while over the offense which is still loaded with playmakers

The Chiefs have a so so offense, great defense and they are in the Super Bowl again this year
We need this Defense to be healthy and we might need another playmaker or two
I'm disturbed that Cam Smith could never make the field with injuries allowing him to walk in and start, but he didn't. Inactive most of the time.
I hope Weaver can make a difference

-Guy is an ex-player from '02-'08 and has been an asst coach for a long time, still only 42 and looks like he doesn't put up with much ****.
I'd like to see the DC step out of the booth and get down there on the sidelines with the players. When the Defense is on the field I don't want to see Mike McDaniel close ups on the sidelines, I want to see Weaver front and center.

My knee jerk reaction is I like it. Mainly due to the age mixed with a lot of experience including being a player, he's gotta command respect when he enters the room.
I hate Fangio from the moment he was jackass at the press conference, he never really wanted to be here IMHO, runs to Philly right after, good riddance
Let's get someone younger and more forward thinking that can make in game changes and adjustments as needed.
Good job Grier
I think you'll like Weaver a lot. I'm not sure what his "style" will be as a playcaller, but he knows how to coach guys up. Justin Madabiuke should give half of his upcoming jackpot to Weaver.

Man, the Ravens' coaching staff got decimated AGAIN. But they keep developing new guys.
Hoping he can bring Queen along for the ride to Miami.
He might, because I don't think the Ravens can keep Queen. Be careful, though - Queen didn't ignite until Roquan Smith got up beside him.
 
Interesting thought in my mind. Miami was talking to Frasier, Weaver, and Brandon Staley. Weaver was already in the "process" to become a HC somewhere. Now Miami grabs him. Let's assume Miami's D is solid next year regardelss of outcome (meaning superbowl or not. They just improve and lets say win a playoff game). Weaver has already interviewed for HC jobs so he may get one in 2025. Miami would then get the 2 picks for a Minority Coach deal. So, did that factor into Miami's thinking in terms of Weaver vs all the other candidates considering we are going to need picks starting in 2025 and beyond?
 
Interesting thought in my mind. Miami was talking to Frasier, Weaver, and Brandon Staley. Weaver was already in the "process" to become a HC somewhere. Now Miami grabs him. Let's assume Miami's D is solid next year regardelss of outcome (meaning superbowl or not. They just improve and lets say win a playoff game). Weaver has already interviewed for HC jobs so he may get one in 2025. Miami would then get the 2 picks for a Minority Coach deal. So, did that factor into Miami's thinking in terms of Weaver vs all the other candidates considering we are going to need picks starting in 2025 and beyond?
Because I was unaware of this NFL rule and have no doubt you're right, might have vaguely heard about it
-But what i really want to say is OUTSTANDING POINT
I have no problem with the Phins understanding and exploiting the rules.

I like Weaver for all the reasons I listed if you scroll up but I hadn't thought about him leaving for a HC job in '25 and the Phins being compensated
Another intelligent move by Grier is that was if fact part of their thoughts
 

-Asst Head Coach from the Ravens already on his resume
He is set to be named the DC in Miami, that cannot be bad thing IMHO, Ravens Defense was pretty darn good this year
60 sacks! I want to see some of that here and a focus on the defense for a while over the offense which is still loaded with playmakers

The Chiefs have a so so offense, great defense and they are in the Super Bowl again this year
We need this Defense to be healthy and we might need another playmaker or two
I'm disturbed that Cam Smith could never make the field with injuries allowing him to walk in and start, but he didn't. Inactive most of the time.
I hope Weaver can make a difference

-Guy is an ex-player from '02-'08 and has been an asst coach for a long time, still only 42 and looks like he doesn't put up with much ****.
I'd like to see the DC step out of the booth and get down there on the sidelines with the players. When the Defense is on the field I don't want to see Mike McDaniel close ups on the sidelines, I want to see Weaver front and center.

My knee jerk reaction is I like it. Mainly due to the age mixed with a lot of experience including being a player, he's gotta command respect when he enters the room.
I hate Fangio from the moment he was jackass at the press conference, he never really wanted to be here IMHO, runs to Philly right after, good riddance
Let's get someone younger and more forward thinking that can make in game changes and adjustments as needed.
Good job Grier
I think you'll like Weaver a lot. I'm not sure what his "style" will be as a playcaller, but he knows how to coach guys up. Justin Madabiuke should give half of his upcoming jackpot to Weaver.

Man, the Ravens' coaching staff got decimated AGAIN. But they keep developing new guys.
Hoping he can bring Queen along for the ride to Miami.
He might, because I don't think the Ravens can keep Queen. Be careful, though - Queen didn't ignite until Roquan Smith got up beside him.
I'd also be really nervous about Queen. He reminds me a lot of Tremaine Edmunds last season, as a highly athletic underachiever, who happened to have a nice contract season. As a Bears fan, Edmunds was exactly the bust I was expecting this year, but if you just looked just his tackle numbers, you'd be tricked into thinking he was solid.
 

-Asst Head Coach from the Ravens already on his resume
He is set to be named the DC in Miami, that cannot be bad thing IMHO, Ravens Defense was pretty darn good this year
60 sacks! I want to see some of that here and a focus on the defense for a while over the offense which is still loaded with playmakers

The Chiefs have a so so offense, great defense and they are in the Super Bowl again this year
We need this Defense to be healthy and we might need another playmaker or two
I'm disturbed that Cam Smith could never make the field with injuries allowing him to walk in and start, but he didn't. Inactive most of the time.
I hope Weaver can make a difference

-Guy is an ex-player from '02-'08 and has been an asst coach for a long time, still only 42 and looks like he doesn't put up with much ****.
I'd like to see the DC step out of the booth and get down there on the sidelines with the players. When the Defense is on the field I don't want to see Mike McDaniel close ups on the sidelines, I want to see Weaver front and center.

My knee jerk reaction is I like it. Mainly due to the age mixed with a lot of experience including being a player, he's gotta command respect when he enters the room.
I hate Fangio from the moment he was jackass at the press conference, he never really wanted to be here IMHO, runs to Philly right after, good riddance
Let's get someone younger and more forward thinking that can make in game changes and adjustments as needed.
Good job Grier
I think you'll like Weaver a lot. I'm not sure what his "style" will be as a playcaller, but he knows how to coach guys up. Justin Madabiuke should give half of his upcoming jackpot to Weaver.

Man, the Ravens' coaching staff got decimated AGAIN. But they keep developing new guys.
Hoping he can bring Queen along for the ride to Miami.
He might, because I don't think the Ravens can keep Queen. Be careful, though - Queen didn't ignite until Roquan Smith got up beside him.
I'd also be really nervous about Queen. He reminds me a lot of Tremaine Edmunds last season, as a highly athletic underachiever, who happened to have a nice contract season. As a Bears fan, Edmunds was exactly the bust I was expecting this year, but if you just looked just his tackle numbers, you'd be tricked into thinking he was solid.
Anyone with Eyes can see Miami has an issue with their linebackers in terms of coverage and it doesn't matter whose Miami defense you are talking about these past 10 years we have been killed on crossing routes and anytime a linebacker is in coverage, ergo: WE NEED BETTER LBs. Baltimore and the Buffalo both shut us down in the middle of the field bc their linebackers are fast, can cover, and can hit. So can their safeties. I know our safeties and "outside" corners are elite, but the middle of the field needs to be addressed on defense.
 
Don't get me wrong. Queen is a really good player and has come a long way. And he's smart. But having Smith next to him allowed him to become a heat-seeking missel (his best use, IMO) - I'd juice him up and play him at EDGE.
 
X to be cut when league season begins per Omar.
Ogbah as well per Garafalo

Graziano saying multiple times they don’t intend to let Wilkins walk.

it’ll be interesting to see how Grier handles the cap (thankful for the extra 10M)
 
Something to be proud of as a Miami fan, the largest fundraising event by a single team.

>>A total of 6,702 attendees raised more than $12 million in support of Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center, South Florida’s only NCI-designated cancer center, in the NFL’s No. 1 fundraising event.<<
 
Something to be proud of as a Miami fan, the largest fundraising event by a single team.

>>A total of 6,702 attendees raised more than $12 million in support of Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center, South Florida’s only NCI-designated cancer center, in the NFL’s No. 1 fundraising event.<<
Mrs and I were there
 
NFLPA report card out. No1. Your Miami Dolphins.

That only means the coaches and front office are a bunch of pushovers
:lol:

-I saw it, not sure what to make of it, think a lot of players would enjoy being on the Phins, still they think to be a lot tougher on defense.
Hope Weaver will be the solution they are looking for.
It's not a negative for sure. Laughed at Ross getting the top owner grade, we all know it is because he will stroke the checks
 
Tyreek Hill gets a little bit harder to cheer for each season that passes.
I love his skills on the field but there seems to be a lot of off field incidents that when you add them all up, he's the constant

-The Phins need to look at possibly getting some more young WRs in here, I'm sure they want to extend Waddle, this could be the last year for Hill in a Miami uniform.
Could the nFL get involved? I've read the suit filed against him, not sure why it took so long to come to light but it looks like he got his ego bruised and then fired off...allegedly
 
NFLPA report card out. No1. Your Miami Dolphins.

That only means the coaches and front office are a bunch of pushovers
:lol:

-I saw it, not sure what to make of it, think a lot of players would enjoy being on the Phins, still they think to be a lot tougher on defense.
Hope Weaver will be the solution they are looking for.
It's not a negative for sure. Laughed at Ross getting the top owner grade, we all know it is because he will stroke the checks
I actually just got around to coming in here to post that the players said Ross was the top owner in the NFL because I know how happy that would make @Ministry of Pain LOL

But you are correct and it shows that for as much as MOP likes to say Ross is a hindrance to the team that isn't actually the case when it comes to getting players, they aren't not coming here because of him as the ones here seem to like that he is willing to write checks and at least if other players are talking to them I don't think he is the reason we aren't getting players.
 
NFLPA report card out. No1. Your Miami Dolphins.

That only means the coaches and front office are a bunch of pushovers
:lol:

-I saw it, not sure what to make of it, think a lot of players would enjoy being on the Phins, still they think to be a lot tougher on defense.
Hope Weaver will be the solution they are looking for.
It's not a negative for sure. Laughed at Ross getting the top owner grade, we all know it is because he will stroke the checks
I actually just got around to coming in here to post that the players said Ross was the top owner in the NFL because I know how happy that would make @Ministry of Pain LOL

But you are correct and it shows that for as much as MOP likes to say Ross is a hindrance to the team that isn't actually the case when it comes to getting players, they aren't not coming here because of him as the ones here seem to like that he is willing to write checks and at least if other players are talking to them I don't think he is the reason we aren't getting players.
He is the reason why we didn't have a 2023-1st Rd pick, that's a player we missed out on and a 2024 3rd Rd player that won't be here so he is a direct reason why we are missing some players and why it's so painful right now to be $30M OTC and have 20+ free agents leaving right now including Wilkins and Hunt if they cannot get a contract worked out

How many Playoff wins under Stephen Ross' leadership?
I'll take the Chiefs woeful front office and ownership group any day, all they do is win and stack trophies.
 
NFLPA report card out. No1. Your Miami Dolphins.

That only means the coaches and front office are a bunch of pushovers
:lol:

-I saw it, not sure what to make of it, think a lot of players would enjoy being on the Phins, still they think to be a lot tougher on defense.
Hope Weaver will be the solution they are looking for.
It's not a negative for sure. Laughed at Ross getting the top owner grade, we all know it is because he will stroke the checks
I actually just got around to coming in here to post that the players said Ross was the top owner in the NFL because I know how happy that would make @Ministry of Pain LOL

But you are correct and it shows that for as much as MOP likes to say Ross is a hindrance to the team that isn't actually the case when it comes to getting players, they aren't not coming here because of him as the ones here seem to like that he is willing to write checks and at least if other players are talking to them I don't think he is the reason we aren't getting players.
He is the reason why we didn't have a 2023-1st Rd pick, that's a player we missed out on and a 2024 3rd Rd player that won't be here so he is a direct reason why we are missing some players and why it's so painful right now to be $30M OTC and have 20+ free agents leaving right now including Wilkins and Hunt if they cannot get a contract worked out

How many Playoff wins under Stephen Ross' leadership?
I'll take the Chiefs woeful front office and ownership group any day, all they do is win and stack trophies.
Andy Reid and drafting Patrick Mahomes can hide a lot of other mistakes. Maybe his biggest mistake was not firing Joe Philbin after one year when Reid became available. Speaking of Joe P. I see he was hired as Sr Offensive Assistant by the Raiders, so much for them turning it around.

And maybe I am jaded but I don't think Ross did anything that 70% of the rest of owners haven't done that lost us the draft picks. The problem was Coach Lawsuit brought it under a bright light and the league needed to do something to help make him go away.
 
I believe the Dolphins are between a rock and a hard place with Tua. On the one hand he could be one concussion away from the broadcast booth and if you invest a long term contract in him, that could be devastating. On the other hand, you're in a win now situation and may feel obligated.
 

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