My thoughts as well. The O should be good enough. Build up the D. Replace Ryan when his play drops off.Rather than cutting Ryan and drafting the 4th QB it would make a LOT more sense to trade that pick for as much future capital as possible and Roll with Ryan.
Dont draft the QB right NOW and never even get the advantage of extra cap space, not to mention its gonna probably be your 3rd or 4th ranked QB that you take.
If they plan for the inevitable for maybe 2023, they can still try and compete right now and who knows, then in a couple years they can try and go that route using the extra draft capital.
Or *IF* their preferred guy - let's say Fields - drops, then you take him; and trade Ryan for what should be a decent amount of current and/or future draft capital. Yes, you take a $40 MM dead cap charge for 2021 (but also free up ~$8 in cap to sign a defender or two this year); and then in 2022 and beyond, the albatross Ryan contract is off the books, and you have a (potentially) stud QB on a rookie contract for four more years + $40 MM in freed cap to build around him.Rather than cutting Ryan and drafting the 4th QB it would make a LOT more sense to trade that pick for as much future capital as possible and Roll with Ryan.
Dont draft the QB right NOW and never even get the advantage of extra cap space, not to mention its gonna probably be your 3rd or 4th ranked QB that you take.
If they plan for the inevitable for maybe 2023, they can still try and compete right now and who knows, then in a couple years they can try and go that route using the extra draft capital.
Trade him to who though? What contender is looking for a QB right now? (they won't trade within the div)Or *IF* their preferred guy - let's say Fields - drops, then you take him; and trade Ryan for what should be a decent amount of current and/or future draft capital. Yes, you take a $40 MM dead cap charge for 2021 (but also free up ~$8 in cap to sign a defender or two this year); and then in 2022 and beyond, the albatross Ryan contract is off the books, and you have a (potentially) stud QB on a rookie contract for four more years + $40 MM in freed cap to build around him.
I don't think it's any secret that they'd probably want to move back and take defense. So who will move up now that CAR has their qb? Gotta think DenverRather than cutting Ryan and drafting the 4th QB it would make a LOT more sense to trade that pick for as much future capital as possible and Roll with Ryan.
Dont draft the QB right NOW and never even get the advantage of extra cap space, not to mention its gonna probably be your 3rd or 4th ranked QB that you take.
If they plan for the inevitable for maybe 2023, they can still try and compete right now and who knows, then in a couple years they can try and go that route using the extra draft capital.
I think lance and Jones slideI don't think it's any secret that they'd probably want to move back and take defense. So who will move up now that CAR has their qb? Gotta think Denver
Slide where? No way Detroit or Denver passes on these guys right?I think lance and Jones slide
Detroit has hitched themselves to Goff. They have the same problems as ATL with Ryan in terms of drafting a QB. They already ate $19M in cap space by trading Stafford. Now they are on the hook for $40.8M in cap accounting for Goff. That only drops to $30.5M in dead money if they want to move on after this year. So same deal as the Falcons. Either you sit the hot shot rookie on a cheap deal for multiple years or your highest paid player watches the rookie play with no good way to get out of his contract. The other options are trade down and gain more picks or draft a player that could be an impact player immediately. Both of those make more sense to a GM hoping to keep his job.Slide where? No way Detroit or Denver passes on these guys right?
You may be right. I thought the Panthers could grab one. I don't want Jones in NE, but that has potential.I think lance and Jones slide
Or *IF* their preferred guy - let's say Fields - drops, then you take him; and trade Ryan for what should be a decent amount of current and/or future draft capital. Yes, you take a $40 MM dead cap charge for 2021 (but also free up ~$8 in cap to sign a defender or two this year); and then in 2022 and beyond, the albatross Ryan contract is off the books, and you have a (potentially) stud QB on a rookie contract for four more years + $40 MM in freed cap to build around him.
Woulda said WFT. but not at the price now.Trade him to who though? What contender is looking for a QB right now? (they won't trade within the div)
Ryan's Cap hit is almost $27M this season regardless of his base salary of $2M according to Spotrac and it would cost over $65M in dead cap space to flat out release him...it just doesn't make a lot of sense for them to Draft QB at #4, be much better if they took a large package to move back and do whatever they have to in building a fearsome OL to run those weapons behind Ryan, get a decent RB in the 2nd or 3rd they can actually use to help the Offense in 2021, they could compete.The problem for ATL is they guaranteed Ryan $94.5 million with $46.5 million of it as a signing bonus. But at the time they gave him an extension, they made his cap hit relatively low and pushed most of the cap hit into the future.
His salary this year is only $2 million. The veteran minimum salary for him would be $1.05 million. The most they could shave off this year is under a $1 million. His salary jumps up to $16 million then $20 million the next two years. They could renegotiate that part of his contract, but that won’t help much in having to take the unaccounted for cap hit for all the bonus money they already paid him.
Essentially they could reduce his annual cap number the next two seasons but not the dead cap money if they trade or release him.
I have posted multiple times that the ATL offense is fine but their defense has been terrible. They don’t need help on offense compared to their defense. They should trade #4 for a boatload of picks and load up on impact defenders.Ryan's Cap hit is almost $27M this season regardless of his base salary of $2M according to Spotrac and it would cost over $65M in dead cap space to flat out release him...it just doesn't make a lot of sense for them to Draft QB at #4, be much better if they took a large package to move back and do whatever they have to in building a fearsome OL to run those weapons behind Ryan, get a decent RB in the 2nd or 3rd they can actually use to help the Offense in 2021, they could compete.
I think Denver either trades back or they take the choice of Sewell (hey, I can dream), Surtain or Parsons.Slide where? No way Detroit or Denver passes on these guys right?
Let's say they did trade Ryan. They SHOULD trade him within the division. Why not weaken your rival starting in a couple years when you hope to be competing.Trade him to who though? What contender is looking for a QB right now? (they won't trade within the div)
I still don’t get the hate for Ryan. His numbers and play have still been in the top half of the league and within the past few years he had back-to-back Top 10 seasons. He just played his age 35 season. The Falcons offense has weapons. Brady just won the SB at 43 and is coming back for more. Brees played until he was 41.Let's say they did trade Ryan. They SHOULD trade him within the division. Why not weaken your rival starting in a couple years when you hope to be competing.
Trading within the division should be preferred target.
Outside the top 10, maybe even out of the first. Lance looks like he has the tools but is a huge risk, having played in a small conference and hasn’t played in a year. Jones played one year and had a really good supporting cast- and just read his strengths/weaknesses. “Wins with accuracy and football smarts, good leader” doesn’t get you drafted in the top 10 with a noodle arm. Instincts, goes through progressions, lacks arm talent to drive the ball downfield. That’s not a top 10 guy. Draft community and talking heads are wrong here imo. Lance has the tools but lacks experience/high level competition. Jones played vs high level competition but lacks some of the tools you look for in an nfl qb.styleride85 said:Slide where? No way Detroit or Denver passes on these guys right?
Atlanta isn’t as bad as their record. They played several games last year where they were up by a decent margin and let the other team come back. Simply adding an ok rb (Davis) probably adds 1-2 wins. I’m not sure there will be a team willing to pay to move up to 4 for a qb. Makes more sense to take parsons, surtain, Sewell, or pitts there. Sure, trading back makes sense; I just don’t see the demand. I think you’ve got the right angle here.Anarchy99 said:I still don’t get the hate for Ryan. His numbers and play have still been in the top half of the league and within the past few years he had back-to-back Top 10 seasons. He just played his age 35 season. The Falcons offense has weapons. Brady just won the SB at 43 and is coming back for more. Brees played until he was 41.
At this point it, the cap hit to Atlanta would be a death knell. Ryan could not only play out his contract but play long enough to play out another contract.
Ryan or a rookie QB cannot change the fact that the Falcons defense has been a Bottom 5 unit (and one year ranked dead last). Trading Ryan to the Saints would make them one of the favorites in the NFC. And the Panthers would instantly be way better. Meanwhile, ATL would be even weaker for at least two seasons (QB play would be worse and cap hit would bury them).
Surtain solves 80% of their problems on defenseAnarchy99 said:I have posted multiple times that the ATL offense is fine but their defense has been terrible. They don’t need help on offense compared to their defense. They should trade #4 for a boatload of picks and load up on impact defenders.
Normally I would agree, but trading Ryan with only a couple years until retirement and getting draft capital from a division rival isn't a bad thing.Trade him to who though? What contender is looking for a QB right now? (they won't trade within the div)
I think you misread the blurb:I did read a rumor that the GM is thinking QB, but Blank believes Ryan has 2+ years left.
ESPN's Adam Schefter expects the 49ers to select Alabama QB Mac Jones at No. 3 overall.
This is not a sourced report from Schefter — he was sharing his thoughts on a radio show, not tweeting out a scoop — but he believes the Niners will settle on Jones after doing their due diligence on the draft class. Considering the source, this is the biggest indication yet that the 49ers are zeroed in on Jones after trading up to No. 3 overall, something you only do for a quarterback. "Draft Twitter" — really, any Twitter — is having trouble wrapping its mind around this fact, but the 49ers have begun openly telegraphing the move. They have the luxury of doing so since both teams in front of them also seemed locked into quarterbacks, and they can no longer be jumped in the draft order. For now, Schefter believes the Niners will keep Jimmy Garoppolo around as a bridge quarterback, but he also believes the Niners could move him if the right deal comes along.
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SOURCE: Anthony Amico on Twitter
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I love hot takes and opinions from people that really aren't that embedded in the football universe. The reporter lists that he covers politics, the coronavirus pandemic, and sports (which if you look at his articles is pretty much the order that he covers things). The last time he tweeted anything about the 49ers was the end of March (almost 2 weeks ago). It does not appear that he regularly reports on the Niners, so I wouldn't call him a beat reporter or all that close to the team.
Phhh I’ll call you shanarchy99 from now on...I love hot takes and opinions from people that really aren't that embedded in the football universe. The reporter lists that he covers politics, the coronavirus pandemic, and sports (which if you look at his articles is pretty much the order that he covers things). The last time he tweeted anything about the 49ers was the end of March (almost 2 weeks ago). It does not appear that he regularly reports on the Niners, so I wouldn't call him a beat reporter or all that close to the team.
I'm pretty sure Kyle Shannahan knows what players are best for his team and his system. If that means they draft Mac Jones, who is anyone to judge until things play out? Shanahan seemed to get decent play out of Matt Schaub, RGIII (briefly), Kirk Cousins (at least developmentally), had a winning record in Cleveland with Brian Hoyer (!), got MVP-level performance and a SB appearance from Matt Ryan, and got the Niners to the SB with Jimmy Garoppolo. Shanahan seems to have issues closing out games that were effectively already won, but he does appear to be able to get QBs to be productive.
We all have opinions, and this reporter's opinion is no better or worse than that of anyone here. But if SF does draft Jones and he becomes a consistent starter and producer for them, no one will consider drafting him a fireable offense. Chances are several of the Round 1 rookies won't pan out . . . so should all the coaches that move up to draft players that end up underperforming be fired?
I don't love Shanahan, but he generally has fielded competent offenses and had some years with decent teams. Is he the cat's meow as coaches go? No. But I would give him credit for wanting to move on from Jimmy G. (who I thing is average or below average despite winning at a high rate). Certainly the moving up thing could eventually blow up in Shanahan's face, but I remember some people openly questioning why the Chiefs would move on from Alex Smith when he had just led the league in passer rating and had taken the Chiefs to the playoffs 4 times . . . in favor of moving up to take Mahomes, who at the time wasn't universally considered a top prospect. There were folks that had Mahomes lumped in with the Nathan Peterman's and Deshone Kizer's of the world that draft, and not everyone felt he would be a first round pick.Phhh I’ll call you shanarchy99 from now on...
To give up 3 first round picks in March, the Niners must have had a definite plan that included at least the top 3 QBs. We know what the the price to move up From Pick #12 to Pick #6 was, and it would have saved them a future first round pick.I love hot takes and opinions from people that really aren't that embedded in the football universe. The reporter lists that he covers politics, the coronavirus pandemic, and sports (which if you look at his articles is pretty much the order that he covers things). The last time he tweeted anything about the 49ers was the end of March (almost 2 weeks ago). It does not appear that he regularly reports on the Niners, so I wouldn't call him a beat reporter or all that close to the team.
I'm pretty sure Kyle Shannahan knows what players are best for his team and his system. If that means they draft Mac Jones, who is anyone to judge until things play out? Shanahan seemed to get decent play out of Matt Schaub, RGIII (briefly), Kirk Cousins (at least developmentally), had a winning record in Cleveland with Brian Hoyer (!), got MVP-level performance and a SB appearance from Matt Ryan, and got the Niners to the SB with Jimmy Garoppolo. Shanahan seems to have issues closing out games that were effectively already won, but he does appear to be able to get QBs to be productive.
We all have opinions, and this reporter's opinion is no better or worse than that of anyone here. But if SF does draft Jones and he becomes a consistent starter and producer for them, no one will consider drafting him a fireable offense. Chances are several of the Round 1 rookies won't pan out . . . so should all the coaches that move up to draft players that end up underperforming be fired?
I would argue that if they take Jones and he's Goff-ish, AND Fields or Lance become the next Mahomes or Josh Allen, that would make twice in this regime that they've had a shot at a franchise QB and passed. And whether fair or not the perception will be that they're behind the curve and unable to appreciate the importance of a mobile QB in today's game.But if SF does draft Jones and he becomes a consistent starter and producer for them, no one will consider drafting him a fireable offense.
Absolutely not, and I think that is the irony in all the "analysis" I've been reading. Everybody has universally labeled the "shanahan QB" as being in the mold of a Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Garappolo, Matt Schaub kinda guy...Is Mac Jones either more talented or a better scheme fit for Shanahan's offense than both Justin Fields and Trey Lance, such that the Niners would not have felt comfortable moving up to the #6 pick and taking the best QB remaining?
Especially given Shanahan's comments about adjusting to a mobile quarterback and that times change. You'd have to think they'd be taking Fields at number three if the Jets take Wilson.chinawildman said:Absolutely not, and I think that is the irony in all the "analysis" I've been reading. Everybody has universally labeled the "shanahan QB" as being in the mold of a Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Garappolo, Matt Schaub kinda guy...
Yet prior to his recent legal troubles, there was serious mutual interest between the 49ers and DeShaun Watson. Nobody seemed to have any issue with Watson not fitting the "shanahan QB" mold... so then isn't it logical to conclude that the niners are now moving on to find the next Deshaun Watson (who I believe has been brought up as a comp for Fields) as opposed to the next Jimmy Garoppolo?
I do think Shanahan is the cat’s meow as far as coaches go, but this whole narrative that he deserves blind faith in picking QBs (that at least one prominent Niners beat writer is pushing hard) doesn’t hold water for me. He also wanted Jimmy, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens, Cousins, etc... that’s not the QB-selecting track record of someone who can’t be second guessed.Anarchy99 said:I don't love Shanahan, but he generally has fielded competent offenses and had some years with decent teams. Is he the cat's meow as coaches go? No. But I would give him credit for wanting to move on from Jimmy G. (who I thing is average or below average despite winning at a high rate). Certainly the moving up thing could eventually blow up in Shanahan's face, but I remember some people openly questioning why the Chiefs would move on from Alex Smith when he had just led the league in passer rating and had taken the Chiefs to the playoffs 4 times . . . in favor of moving up to take Mahomes, who at the time wasn't universally considered a top prospect. There were folks that had Mahomes lumped in with the Nathan Peterman's and Deshone Kizer's of the world that draft, and not everyone felt he would be a first round pick.
So no, I am not the President of the Kyle Shanahan Fan Club, but I think we should at least she what happens before immediately firing him should the Niners draft Jones. I wouldn't have moved up that far for Jones, but I'm not an NFL head coach.
49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch will attend Justin Fields' second pro day on Wednesday and Trey Lance's pro day next Monday.
The Niners continue their game of eight-dimensional chess in the lead-up to the NFL Draft. Widely expected to take Alabama's Mac Jones after obtaining the No. 3 pick, Shanahan and Lynch are committed to erecting as many smoke screens as possible. If the Niners pass on Fields with the third pick, he's almost assuredly going to be selected in the top-10. Fields and Lance, both dual threat quarterbacks, have far more fantasy appeal than Jones.
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I fail to see the end game here. They have the #3. If they choose another QB at 3, what exactly have they gained?
It isn't Shanahan. It's the media giving their target audience what they want. If their audience disengages on the topic then they'll talk and write about something else.Shanny is playing all of you. He will personally sprint to the podium, do a cart wheel, flash his wang, then select Justin Strawberry Fields. And all of you will then praise his boy genius for Jedi tricking the entire process, as you crown him for making the right call despite the Mac Jones sirens.
Took some thought, but I've decided on this angle...I fail to see the end game here. They have the #3. If they choose another QB at 3, what exactly have they gained?