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A-List Celebrity To Be Outed As A Sexual Predator (2 Viewers)

It's going down.  Armageddon in every industry.  Partners in Big Law, CEO's of Fortune 500's, Sports, you name it.  Men in power have thought taking liberties with the ladies was a right of passage since the beginning of time.  This will be such a daily occurrence that we will be become numb to it within months.  Your CEO or Pastor is next.

 
Judge Smails said:
It's going down.  Armageddon in every industry.  Partners in Big Law, CEO's of Fortune 500's, Sports, you name it.  Men in power have thought taking liberties with the ladies was a right of passage since the beginning of time.  This will be such a daily occurrence that we will be become numb to it within months  days.  Your CEO or Pastor is next.
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FYP.  

 
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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Good God, the details in Variety's Lauer story.

He had a freaking button on his desk so he could lock the door to his office without getting up.  Like a Bond villain or something.
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I just pictured a young NBC intern getting up and trying to exit his office as he pushes the lock button and starts his Dr Evil laugh. Muhahahahahahahah......muhahahahahah.

 
shader said:
https://www.google.com/amp/people.com/tv/matt-lauer-accused-of-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-former-employee-in-his-office/amp/

disgusting
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And NBC denies ever getting a single complaint until this incident that got him fired.

Why am I having a very hard time believing this BS story from this anonymous woman. This is witch hunt crap. Things are getting out of control. Lauer has admitted to inappropriate sexual behavior. But this story?

I have a hard time believing this. And if it is true......the fact it took what....16 years to emerge.....come on.

 
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Every manager at NBC had a button under their desk to lock the door...including women. Security reasons.

Do all your research, not just read a Variety story.
Muhahahahahahah,....muahahahahahah.

I have no problem what so ever with a man in a consensual relationship drop trow in his locked office.
I have no problem what so ever with a man sending a sex toy to a woman he was having a consensual relationship with.
I have no problem with him having sex with coworkers if it was consensual.
I have no problem with him using his fame to get laid.

I do have a problem with a vindictive women like Ann Curry, using her anger and vindictiveness to use her friend (who was in this consensual relationship with Matt) to now come forward and claim harassment, seems Matt angered his past lovers recently.

But I only heard all this on my flight from NYC to Miami yesterday with some people in the know. It is no secret they were involved, so I am wondering why they are not mentioning that in the media?

 
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WheelsUp said:
Every manager at NBC had a button to lock the door...including women.

Do all your research, not just read a Variety story.
Muhahahahahahah,....muahahahahahah.

I have no problem what so ever with a man in a consensual relationship drop trow in his locked office.
I have no problem what so ever with a man sending a sex toy to a woman he was having a consensual relationship with.
I have no problem with him having sex with coworkers if it was consensual.
I have no problem with him using his fame to get laid.

I do have a problem with a vindictive women like Ann Curry, using her anger and vindictiveness to use her friend (who was in this consensual relationship with Matt) to now come forward and claim harassment, seems Matt angered his past lovers recently.
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Yo......I am having fun with this like a lot of us in this thread. 

He admitted to inappropriate behavior. Dude is fired.

I have no problems with everything you mentioned too.

But your theory on Ann Curry is pure speculation as well.

Muhahahhhahahhahahahha

 
Inappropriate behavior could be having sex in the workplace, just because I have no problem with it doesnt mean their bosses dont.
Some think sex is inappropriate at all times, as the religious. Inappropriate is a loaded word. His inappropriate behavior according to many is a relationship with a subordinate in the workplace.

Inappropriate in the work place is not illegal. It am not allowed to talk about my salary, that is a fire-able offense deemed inappropriate. He also said not all things you heard are accurate, so are you picking and choosing what you want in his statement?

 
lol, thats extreme. But, do women think men in power are more inclined to hire them? Right or wrong, I sure wouldnt want to put my company at risk of this stuff with how unreal just an accusation can be.

I know this, I am part of the mile high club and me and my female co-pilot both did it just to say we did. With autopilot on. lol She can now get angry and say I harassed her at the workplace. Thats all it takes. I would do it with one of our flight attendants but on my flights we dont have them often.

 
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shader said:
Or don’t rape the women that you work with. That seems to work as well.
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No need for the word "rape" in response to concerns about more general instances of he-said-she-said sexual misconduct.

Avoiding bad behavior in general is, of course, prudent. The concern here, if I am reading others correctly, is that the boundaries of "bad behavior" are shifting rapidly and some men are losing livelihoods after getting accused ex post facto of things that were apparently no worse than gauche in the past. No, I don't have specific examples -- I understand the concern, but I don't have any specifics.

Making clear: I'm not talking about Lauer, Weinstein, Louis CK, Cosby, Polanski, etc. So far, Al Franken is perhaps a better example -- at least regarding the "grabbing" photo alone and assuming worse has not come to light.

 
Yes, because every issue is raping women you work with? Thats type of disrespect for the truth is how we get remarks like that.

One thing I notice is its a lot of men to be the first to jump in front of the morality train, as if you have to defend all women to appear as if you are against sexual assault.

The morality issue is one we need to stop, as if any person on this board doesnt have some skeletons in their closet.

But I do understand the quick one liner to attempt to show your high morals, even though it is littered with rhetoric.

The unreal forgettable fact, you cant rape the willing. When you are willing, you are consensual.
Any woman in the world has the magic button if they want to stop a man from moving forward.
Are you telling me this man had her arms tied, thats not what was alleged in the story. If he is raping you and your arms are free, grab his package and twist until he passes out.

I'm just amazed at how we set aside needing actual proof because the story and the fake morals are better to have.

 
raidergil said:
Nice view

Check embedded vid of him staring down Katie. Look at his face & his comments. No goofing around - just creepy. About time this *ss got called out.
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I get this was a while back but how does that get by management with nothing being done about it?Just because a complaint wasn't filed never excuses this crap and they have it right on camera and audio.

 
tom22406 said:
I get this was a while back but how does that get by management with nothing being done about it?Just because a complaint wasn't filed never excuses this crap and they have it right on camera and audio.
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Weak defense without having yet seen the video, only hearing about it:

In the moment, and with the social mores of a time gone by, did it come off as jokey? Something that in a mixed group of college-aged people would come off as jerky but still getting feigned indignance from the girls and yucks from the guys?

 
It takes a woman just one phone call to end a mans life that she slept with as we know it.

Understanding that does not condone rape or legit sexual assault.

But are we really going to be OK with a women coming forward 10 years later and saying hey he touched my boob or butt? Stop it?

I do not believe one woman who has come forward with Al Franken. That photo wasnt even inappropriate to me, it was a comedian attempting to be funny. May not have been funny, but thats not the point. I dont care. I dont care about that stuff. Her description of the story was straight out of the attempt to embarrass someone handbook and a radio personality? Lets avoid the obvious because the juicy details are better.

 
WheelsUp said:
Yes, because every issue is raping women you work with? Thats type of disrespect for the truth is how we get remarks like that.

One thing I notice is its a lot of men to be the first to jump in front of the morality train, as if you have to defend all women to appear as if you are against sexual assault.

The morality issue is one we need to stop, as if any person on this board doesnt have some skeletons in their closet.

But I do understand the quick one liner to attempt to show your high morals, even though it is littered with rhetoric.

The unreal forgettable fact, you cant rape the willing. When you are willing, you are consensual.
Any woman in the world has the magic button if they want to stop a man from moving forward.
Are you telling me this man had her arms tied, thats not what was alleged in the story. If he is raping you and your arms are free, grab his package and twist until he passes out.

I'm just amazed at how we set aside needing actual proof because the story and the fake morals are better to have.
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I don't disagree... but here's where I'm caught- the recurring theme hasn't just been two consenting adults, it's been one person in a position of power and the other in a position of weakness, thinking that if they dissent their career is over. so IMO, what seems like "consent" isn't as black and white as you seem to be stating.

and of course, it's easy to look in from the outside and say that we'd never do something like sleep with a person we're not interested in to keep our careers... but as a guy, I've never been put in that situation. for me, and many of the others in here, this is the thing that's so troubling- how omnipresent it appears to have been all these years for women in so many fields. I choose not to discount them. 

 
Remember all the hell Brian Banks got? What was her punishment for ruining a mans life?

 
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WheelsUp said:
lol, thats extreme. But, do women think men in power are more inclined to hire them? Right or wrong, I sure wouldnt want to put my company at risk of this stuff with how unreal just an accusation can be.

I know this, I am part of the mile high club and me and my female co-pilot both did it just to say we did. With autopilot on. lol She can now get angry and say I harassed her at the workplace. Thats all it takes. I would do it with one of our flight attendants but on my flights we dont have them often.
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 Say, you don't fly airplanes for a living do you?  Think I heard you mention the word "flight' a time or twenty.

 
Apparently NBC has a picture so damning that there was no question to the veracity of the allegations.

And NBC has stressed that no CURRENT management had received previous complaints. Which makes it seem that there were previous complaints to previous management that were swept under the rug.

 
Oh, my bad...I just share stories about how they relate to the topic and after all flying is my life so a lot of my stories have to do with that. Wanna know my equipment size? Wait, that was close to harassment if I said that to a woman...whan to know what type of plane I fly on normal occasions? lol Just kidding, I wont bore you with that talk. I rather continue to talk about how men are vulnerable in these crazy times.

A photo does not mean it wasnt a consensual act. I have also heard of this photo...I believe it was a text sent. Which just means he sent a dirty photo, which goes to my point we see the photo hear the story, boom he is guilty. How it goes.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
There does seem to be a lack of due process going on here with guys being convicted in drumhead court martial style.
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About the Lauer and Keillor cases specifically, it's being reported that what due process there is (not in court) had already taken place and the public is only being informed of final findings. Or at least, if not final, that the released-to-the-public findings aren't summary or preliminary.

 
WheelsUp said:
Oh, my bad...I just share stories about how they relate to the topi and after all flying is my life so a lot of my stories have to do with that. Wanna know my equipment size? Wait, that was close to harassment if I said that to a woman...whan to know what type of plane I fly on normal occasions? lol Just kidding, I wont bore you with that talk. I rather continue to talk about how men are vulnerable in these crazy times.
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you've been beating this horse to death... and I don't think anybody will disagree that false accusations are bad. 

but you're talking about men being vulnerable when we're hearing about how vulnerable women are finally saying they've been all this time. comes across as... dunno... uncaring about that side of the story.

 
Doug B said:
Weak defense without having yet seen the video, only hearing about it:

In the moment, and with the social mores of a time gone by, did it come off as jokey? Something that in a mixed group of college-aged people would come off as jerky but still getting feigned indignance from the girls and yucks from the guys?
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It came off to me as really pervy and he never laughed it off as if it could have been a joke.At the very least this type of behavior should have sent up a warning sign.A verbal or written warning at this point might have stopped his advances.

 
Doug B said:
About the Lauer and Keillor cases specifically, it's being reported that what due process there is (not in court) had already taken place and the public is only being informed of final findings. Or at least, if not final, that the released-to-the-public findings aren't summary or preliminary.
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That's good to know. I'm not following too closely.

 
Fantastic, I was unaware she had to pay him back. Thats so great for mens rights who are falsely accused. I wanted to double check that figure and I also found out he is currently a spokesperson for the innocent project in Cali. You go Brian!

 
WheelsUp said:
Oh, my bad...I just share stories about how they relate to the topic and after all flying is my life so a lot of my stories have to do with that. Wanna know my equipment size? Wait, that was close to harassment if I said that to a woman...whan to know what type of plane I fly on normal occasions? lol Just kidding, I wont bore you with that talk. I rather continue to talk about how men are vulnerable in these crazy times.

A photo does not mean it wasnt a consensual act. I have also heard of this photo...I believe it was a text sent. Which just means he sent a dirty photo, which goes to my point we see the photo hear the story, boom he is guilty. How it goes.
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would it be terribly hard to quote the person you're responding to?

 
The New York Times has released a separate report which corroborated previous descriptions about the TODAY Show’s working environment and Lauer’s predatory behavior. The report says NBC has been informed of at least two accusers who have spoken against Lauer, and one of them claims that Lauer raped her to the point of unconsciousness in his office.

From the report:

In 2001, the woman said, Mr. Lauer, who is married, asked her to his office to discuss a story during a workday. When she sat down, she said, he locked the door, which he could do by pressing a button while sitting at his desk. (People who worked at NBC said the button was a regular security measure installed for high-profile employees.)

The woman said Mr. Lauer asked her to unbutton her blouse, which she did. She said the anchor then stepped out from behind his desk, pulled down her pants, bent her over a chair and had intercourse with her. At some point, she said, she passed out with her pants pulled halfway down. She woke up on the floor of his office, and Mr. Lauer had his assistant take her to a nurse.

The woman told The Times that Mr. Lauer never made an advance toward her again and never mentioned what occurred in his office. She said she did not report the episode to NBC at the time because she believed she should have done more to stop Mr. Lauer. She left the network about a year later.

On Wednesday, the episode in Mr. Lauer’s office was reported to NBC News after the woman told her then-supervisor, who still works at the network. The woman said an NBC human resources representative had since contacted her.
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WheelsUp said:
It takes a woman just one phone call to end a mans life that she slept with as we know it.

Understanding that does not condone rape or legit sexual assault.

But are we really going to be OK with a women coming forward 10 years later and saying hey he touched my boob or butt? Stop it?

I do not believe one woman who has come forward with Al Franken. That photo wasnt even inappropriate to me, it was a comedian attempting to be funny. May not have been funny, but thats not the point. I dont care. I dont care about that stuff. Her description of the story was straight out of the attempt to embarrass someone handbook and a radio personality? Lets avoid the obvious because the juicy details are better.
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Good to see people defending sexual harassment. :rolleyes:

Bad shtick, though.

 
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Quote function isn't working well but if that wasn't consensual, how do you NOT immediately tell your supervisor, other higher ups, law enforcement, Matt's wife, etc etc.? It doesn't make sense. I don't buy the whole "Matt is powerful and ran the Today show and I want to keep my job" BS.

 
A good dumb rant, it was a one sentence comment looking for info. I hate when actual facts gets in away of attempted spin with a person you disagree with.

Also, not caring? Yeah, I have stated I will not shed a tear for a consenting woman who now wants to cry assault and or rape. Thats vindictiveness and if you want to believe the assault without proof, I will believe it wasnt assault until I get proof. The morals of those who have them should understand that.

Also she passed out and had to go to the nurse...really? We are believing that? lol But didnt go to cops or bosses? She was so scared, but not scared enough to see a nurse? I'm sure the nurse asked questions, wanted a rape kit. No?

 
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raidergil said:
Nice view

Check embedded vid of him staring down Katie. Look at his face & his comments. No goofing around - just creepy. About time this *ss got called out.
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I wasn't sure what to think when this story first broke but, boy oh boy is that clip damming.  I mean he crossed the line there on camera, in front of everyone.  I can't imagine the way he would act behind closed doors.  Hell, I can almost guarantee you that situation would get any one in a normal working environment either written up or terminated.  That's simply not appropriate in a work situation.  He's in big time sexual predator mode right there and, again, he's in front of camera's co-workers, everyone and he's completely comfortable acting like that.  That's really scary man, seriously, look at the look on his face, he's not joking, he's not goofing around, he is sexually harassing her in that situation, that's the very definition of it right there.

 
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shader said:
Or don’t rape the women that you work with. That seems to work as well.
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Rape is a crime. Go to the police when not your boss.  

If I have to parse did a guy stand to close to a girl at her computer or did he have the wrong tone in complimenting her outfit, I’m going to, in an actuarial sense, ask myself if women make me of money or do men and I’ll keep them separate. 

As someone that hires people, I control my conduct but I can’t police every employee or The perception of their actions 

 
GroveDiesel said:
Apparently NBC has a picture so damning that there was no question to the veracity of the allegations.

And NBC has stressed that no CURRENT management had received previous complaints. Which makes it seem that there were previous complaints to previous management that were swept under the rug.
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Link to story about pic? 

 
Yeah, I dont have any care about Matt Lauer making that comment and any one who does is fake. Every single man here has said flirtatious comments to a woman, his was just on tape. Gay men get away with saying a lot worse to women, which is another topic...is what gay men say to women any worse then straight men sometimes, but we know how women look at it, is that a form of sexism? Not so simple when you bring in the many circumstances and nuance into such issues.

 
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WheelsUp said:
Remember all the hell Brian Banks got? What was her punishment for ruining a mans life?
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She owes him $2.6M.
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The Long Beach Unified School District won that $2.6 million settlement, not Banks. (further reading)

I had not heard about Brian Banks' case -- it certainly has a much lower profile than the recent harassment incidents. One thing that is different about Banks' situation is that he was accused "pre-fame" as a high-school student before he became an NFL player. IMHO, that's all the more of a cautionary tale, as it establishes that you don't have to have deep pockets yourself to be falsely accused:

In the summer of 2002, Banks was arrested and charged after classmate Wanetta Gibson falsely accused him of dragging her into a stairway at Polytechnic High School (Poly) and raping her. Faced with a possible 41 years to life sentence, he accepted a plea deal that included five years in prison, five years of probation, and registering as a sex offender. Wanetta Gibson and her mother Wanda Rhodes sued the Long Beach Unified School District, claiming the Poly campus was not a safe environment, and won a $1.5 million settlement. According to Banks, his lawyer told him that he stood no chance at trial because he would be tried by an all-white jury who would automatically assume that he was guilty because he was "a big, black teenager."

In March 2011, Gibson contacted Banks on Facebook, met with him, and admitted that she had fabricated the story. Banks secretly recorded Gibson's confession, but she refused to tell prosecutors that she had lied so she wouldn't have to return the money she and her family had won in court. Nevertheless, with Gibson's taped admission and help from California Innocence Project attorneys, Los Angeles County prosecutors overturned Banks' conviction on May 24, 2012.

On April 12, 2013, the Long Beach Unified School District announced it was suing Wanetta Gibson for $2 million in an effort to recoup the $1.5 million she received, along with attorney's fees and punitive damages. On June 14, 2013, the school district won a $2.6 million judgment against Gibson, which includes the $750,000 settlement initially paid to her along with attorney's fees, interest, and $1 million in punitive damages.

Banks now serves as a spokesperson for the California Innocence Project and is working on a documentary about his story.
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