A.Rodgers (1 Viewer)

[aj2631]

Who thinks that he will be the top scorer in 6pts/ pass TD leagues? Ive seen him on all rankings no worse than 2... why all the hype? whats the difference than him and Romo,Rivers and brady, Schaub... can someone explain this because readind all this hype on him is making me start to believe it...lol

 

[EBF]

It might have something to do with the fact that he finished as a top 3 QB in most formats each of the past two seasons.

 

[Stunt Rock]

Who thinks that he will be the top scorer in 6pts/ pass TD leagues? Ive seen him on all rankings no worse than 2... why all the hype? whats the difference than him and Romo,Rivers and brady, Schaub... can someone explain this because readind all this hype on him is making me start to believe it...lol

The difference between him and those other guys is that he's better.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Lots of things:

-He throws very minimal INT's(so if u play in a -2 INT league he is the guy to get)

-He has lots of good young weapons around him

-He rushes very well and around the GL gets those extra scores.

The two worries I have:

-His OL....will they improve?

-Will he take that next step up(28/30 TD's the past two years)? Go to 35+ TD's passing.

I will be the first to admit...I missed to boat on Rodgers. I didn't think he had the makeup....but he proved me wrong and has developed into a nice QB for GB. It remains to be seen if he can be great...but for his first two years starting....he has done a great job.

 

[J-Dawg]

Rodgers is my #1 QB in dynasty. He has just as many weapons and skills of any of the top QBs available, plus he's also just 26 years old. Compare that to some of the other guys, Brees is 31, Romo is 30, Peyton is 34, Schaub and Rivers are both 28. Rodgers is the youngest of the bunch, plus he's also a threat to score on the ground and for the type of leagues I play in where rushing TDs are worth more than passing TDs, a QB that can score on the ground is even more valuable.

 

[Lord Fantasy]

More rushing TDs than SJax last year.

 

[FUBAR]

More rushing TDs than SJax last year.

same number of receiving TDs too

 

[FUBAR]

Rodgers is my #1 QB in dynasty. He has just as many weapons and skills of any of the top QBs available, plus he's also just 26 years old. Compare that to some of the other guys, Brees is 31, Romo is 30, Peyton is 34, Schaub and Rivers are both 28. Rodgers is the youngest of the bunch, plus he's also a threat to score on the ground and for the type of leagues I play in where rushing TDs are worth more than passing TDs, a QB that can score on the ground is even more valuable.

QBs last a long time, depending on your philosophy Rodgers could be one of the most valuable players in FF. Chances are he'll have a longer career than any of the other current top 10 scorers in any position. Which is just to say there's a strong chance that you could draft Rodgers, have a top player at the position and never have to think about that position again (except for his bye week)

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Lots of things:-He throws very minimal INT's(so if u play in a -2 INT league he is the guy to get)-He has lots of good young weapons around him-He rushes very well and around the GL gets those extra scores.The two worries I have:-His OL....will they improve?-Will he take that next step up(28/30 TD's the past two years)? Go to 35+ TD's passing.I will be the first to admit...I missed to boat on Rodgers. I didn't think he had the makeup....but he proved me wrong and has developed into a nice QB for GB. It remains to be seen if he can be great...but for his first two years starting....he has done a great job.

 

[cr8f]

With a bad offensive line and where he finished the season the future is bright. He's very athletic and accurate so in dynasty he's #1 for me.

The OL has to be better this year they can't be any worse.

The first year or two in GB word was he was a bust. But he went to McCarthy's "QB school" which shows sitting behind and learning for 3 years helps greatly.

 

[tonka]

Watch his highlight reel from last season. Nearly every single play, he is backpedaling as the pocket collapses around him, yet he still makes the right read and makes highly accurate throws to his receivers. He is as steady as they come in terms of weekly production (only 2 weeks in the past 2 years where he failed to account for at least 1 touchdown). He is surrounded by young weapons who are only going to get better. His o-line can't really get worse and almost certainly will improve. And he's only 26 and still hasn't quite reached his prime. What's not to like?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Watch his highlight reel from last season. Nearly every single play, he is backpedaling as the pocket collapses around him, yet he still makes the right read and makes highly accurate throws to his receivers. He is as steady as they come in terms of weekly production (only 2 weeks in the past 2 years where he failed to account for at least 1 touchdown). He is surrounded by young weapons who are only going to get better. His o-line can't really get worse and almost certainly will improve. And he's only 26 and still hasn't quite reached his prime. What's not to like?

With both starting OT's north of age 32 and both are on the decline it could.

 

[Jason Wood]

Others have this one well covered. From a practical standpoint, the real reason Aaron Rodgers has the edge in drafts over other elite passers is his rushing TD productivity. He's had nine rushing TDs over the last two seasons, which in many leagues equates to another 13.5 passing TDs in an equivalent scoring basis. That's ENORMOUS particularly when you consider he is just as likely as anyone else at the position to also lead the league in passing yards and passing TDs.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

With a bad offensive line and where he finished the season the future is bright. He's very athletic and accurate so in dynasty he's #1 for me.

The OL has to be better this year they can't be any worse.

The first year or two in GB word was he was a bust. But he went to McCarthy's "QB school" which shows sitting behind and learning for 3 years helps greatly.

Funny, I don't remember that being the word at all. There were questions about his durability, but there just wasn't much else to go on because the guy never played. But 'bust' never came up, at least not in any credible circles.

 

[fightingillini]

Who thinks that he will be the top scorer in 6pts/ pass TD leagues?

Me, Me Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's #1 on my QB board.

Ive seen him on all rankings no worse than 2... why all the hype? whats the difference than him and Romo,Rivers and brady, Schaub... can someone explain this because readind all this hype on him is making me start to believe it...lol

Let's see here.....Jennings, Driver, Finley, Jones, Nelson.....nice options to throw to. Pass friendly offensive system. Can gain additional points on the ground. Has been a top 5 QB for the last two seasons. Pretty safe bet if you ask me.

 

[Sinrman]

For all the same reasons listed above. Just imagine what he'd be like if he had a top-end O-line blocking for him...?!

 

[Aardvarks]

Aaron Rodgers earns the fantasy hype. He's Culpepper 2.0... the arm, the legs, a true fantasy point-maker... with increased mental capacity and a broader array of weapons than Culpepper had.

 

[J-Dawg]

To be entirely honest, I have a dynasty start up draft going next month, draft order is being decided tomorrow, and I am hoping (ie - crossing my fingers) to be at a spot which allows me to take Rodgers in the 1st round. I rarely take a QB that high, but Rodgers is somebody you can build a team around. In almost every scoring format I've played in, regardless of which position has a run early in the draft whether it's WR or RB, there's at least a handful of QBs at the top of the scoring leaders by the end of the year. Given the short shelf life of RBs and the fact that WRs can have fluctuating numbers from week to week, I'm aiming to build my team around Rodgers. He'll last longer than any RB I could potentially take in the 1st and should theoretically be starting for me for the next 6-8 years.

 

[tvaldivi]

To be entirely honest, I have a dynasty start up draft going next month, draft order is being decided tomorrow, and I am hoping (ie - crossing my fingers) to be at a spot which allows me to take Rodgers in the 1st round. I rarely take a QB that high, but Rodgers is somebody you can build a team around. In almost every scoring format I've played in, regardless of which position has a run early in the draft whether it's WR or RB, there's at least a handful of QBs at the top of the scoring leaders by the end of the year. Given the short shelf life of RBs and the fact that WRs can have fluctuating numbers from week to week, I'm aiming to build my team around Rodgers. He'll last longer than any RB I could potentially take in the 1st and should theoretically be starting for me for the next 6-8 years.

I may be crazy, believe me a lot of people didn't agree with me doing this, but in a start up dynasty draft that I just did I actually landed the first pick. Now of course I didn't take Rodgers there, but what I did do is take CJ. Then I waited and waited. Brees went 5, bunch of young running backs went 6,7 and 8 and then I emailed the ninth pick and said alright you can have CJ but here is my asking price. I wanted pick 1.09 and 2.06 for CJ and an end of 4th rd pick. I got my man crush Rodgers and was able to take 2 pretty good running backs in the 2nd round. My team turned out alright and I'm stoked to have the best dynasty qb for years on my team!

 

[sho nuff]

As others have covered well...to sum up...

-young

-tons of young weapons

-explosive passing based offense

-smart and makes minimal mistakes to cost you points

-rushing TDs

concerns

-Oline...which is why they took a tackle in the 1st this year and are grooming Lang as well. They want to be prepared.

In his 2nd year starting he only went out and led the offense to the best season (points wise) in Packer history. Not too shabby.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

If you guys want some real long-term speculation, consider Coach MacArthy is getting a rap as the next Schottenheimer. He's proven that he cannot get it done in the playoffs. He allowed the Championship game, at home, to slip through his fingers, and the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment. If this season is anything less than a superbowl run, or at least a strong playoff finish, it's quite possible the organization will say that his shelf life is up and will move on. They did it with Sherman, and they'll do it with MacArthy.

Rodgers, like any solid QB, will survive a coaching change. But there could be some bumps as early as 2011 (not including the potential lockout).

 

[sho nuff]

If you guys want some real long-term speculation, consider Coach MacArthy is getting a rap as the next Schottenheimer. He's proven that he cannot get it done in the playoffs. He allowed the Championship game, at home, to slip through his fingers, and the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment. If this season is anything less than a superbowl run, or at least a strong playoff finish, it's quite possible the organization will say that his shelf life is up and will move on. They did it with Sherman, and they'll do it with MacArthy.Rodgers, like any solid QB, will survive a coaching change. But there could be some bumps as early as 2011 (not including the potential lockout).

Well...first off...McCarthy is getting that rap from who?He allowed that game at home to slip away all on his own huh? Same with the Zona game...on the road was an embarrassment? Less for the headcoach and more for the DC actually.Now, they could move on if they don't make a solid run this year...but it seems he and the GM have a pretty strong relationship and he has the respect of the team and players.Sherman's dismissal had to to do with first sucking as a GM...then having a new GM come in and want a change.He was an average (at best) head coach who lived off of an Oline built by Wolf and some prime years of Favre's career.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

If you guys want some real long-term speculation, consider Coach MacArthy is getting a rap as the next Schottenheimer. He's proven that he cannot get it done in the playoffs. He allowed the Championship game, at home, to slip through his fingers, and the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment. If this season is anything less than a superbowl run, or at least a strong playoff finish, it's quite possible the organization will say that his shelf life is up and will move on. They did it with Sherman, and they'll do it with MacArthy.Rodgers, like any solid QB, will survive a coaching change. But there could be some bumps as early as 2011 (not including the potential lockout).

Well...first off...McCarthy is getting that rap from who?He allowed that game at home to slip away all on his own huh? Same with the Zona game...on the road was an embarrassment? Less for the headcoach and more for the DC actually.Now, they could move on if they don't make a solid run this year...but it seems he and the GM have a pretty strong relationship and he has the respect of the team and players.Sherman's dismissal had to to do with first sucking as a GM...then having a new GM come in and want a change.He was an average (at best) head coach who lived off of an Oline built by Wolf and some prime years of Favre's career.

I agree with sho, and I don't like it. All kidding aside, I haven't heard anyone giving McCarthy that rap. This is a very young football team that just made a decent playoff run, and that included the Defense running the 3-4 for this very first time. If you don't think they'll get better this year, then I don't know what to tell you.Schedule may or may not be tougher, but this is a pretty good team. The O line depth is better. The defense should be improved. Jermichael Finley will hopefully be over his injuries.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

McCarthy/Rodgers look like a great coach/QB combo so far. It's not the only way to win but it is a consistent one.

I wouldn't call McC one of the top coaches but I do think he's improved year-over-year. And I expect him to be a HC in the league for 10+ years, in GB or elsewhere. I expect Ted Thompson to have the same strategy on taking time to develop a young coach as he does with young players. (In fact he already has, extending him in 2008.)

If they can't win the division or any playoff games this year or next I think there could be a question of replacing him, but not sooner.

 

[The Moz]

the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment.

you mean the game that was without a doubt the most thrilling game of the entire playoffs where GB mounted a comeback and it went to OT. yeah what an embarassassment

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

This is a very young football team that just made a decent playoff run, and that included the Defense running the 3-4 for this very first time. If you don't think they'll get better this year, then I don't know what to tell you.Schedule may or may not be tougher, but this is a pretty good team. The O line depth is better. The defense should be improved. Jermichael Finley will hopefully be over his injuries.

I see GB being worse this season for many reasons and I think that last season things went just right for them.QB- Rodgers has impressed me and exceeded my expectations, I will be the first to admit that. However, expecting him to put up those good of #'s(passing and rushing) despite only 7 INT's is hard to duplicate.-No veteran backupRB- Ryan Grant.....I see last season as his ceiling...4.4 yard average...11 rushing TD....1253 yards....again hard to dublicate giving his athletic ability.Brandon Jackson has proven that he is nothing special and James Starks is a 6th round pick. They need to upgrade this position.WR- Greg Jennings is a solid WR that will have a catch % in the high 50's and grab 65-80 balls , 1000 yards, 6-10 TD's.Donald Driver is 35...on the decline and didn't catch a TD pass in the last 5 games including playoffs. He should be worse this season.James Jones almost has better stats from his rookie season vs the last two combined.Jordy Nelson is only entering his 3rd year and has averaged 27 catches per season.FBG's claimed they had the best WR group in the NFL prior to last season....I didn't see it. The 3/4 WR have failed to live up to the hype.TE- Finley is exciting....I drafted him early in one league and had a great playoff game. But he only had 55 regular season catches last year.....let's hold off on the crazy projections until he has performed. I like the depth GB has here with Havner and Lee. This is one position group that should be better than last season. OL- The starting OL is old Clifton(33), Colledge(28), Wells (29), Spitz(27), Tauscher (32). They showed last season they were below average and I see no reason why they won't be worse this season. As far backups they have a few late round guys and Bryan Bulaga(who I view as a RT) as much as some view him as the savior of the OL....he has reasons why he slipped to the late 1st round.Defensive Starters with age- Cullen Jenkins(29), Ryan Pickett(30), Nick Barnett (29), Al Harris (35), Charles Woodson(33). It would honestly be hard for me to believe that they would play above or at the same level they did last season as a group. So in general, they should decline somewhat.DL- Can't count on Jolly this season with all the legal troubles and he didn't resign the tender. One would think that Raji would get better. But with Picket/Jenkins age it would offset. Will Harrell be healthy/contribute? They reached on Mike Neal a bit....but it made sense given the DL's injuries/legal issues/age.LB- Mathews played good last season, but I feel offenses will shift blocking to him or pay more attention to him so his #'s will be down. Barnett didn't make a ton of plays last year and will he stay healthy/decline with age/etc. Hawk has been a disappointment....will Bishop start? Is Brad Jones going to start at OLB and will he get any pass rush?CB- Woodson can't maintain the DOPY level he did last season...just by chance....then factor in his age. Al Harris is coming off of major injury and was already declining in play + he is 35. Tramon Williams played well at times....but I don't think he forced himself as the heir apparent to Harris. Pat Lee has been a disappointment, Blackmon is coming off of injury.S- Nick Collins has played great back there and gives the rest of the D a sense of security back there. However Bigby has disappointed...will he bounce back? Maybe Burnett will fill that void?K-Mason Crosby missed 9 FG's last year and 7 the year before.The return game should be a question mark as well with Blackmon coming back from injury.So to review.....To have the great performances of Rodgers, Grant, and Woodson repeat are unlikely. The age of Driver, Clifton/Tauscher, Jenkins, Pickett, Barnett, Harris, Woodson should affect their play as well. I don't see GB as a bad team moving forward at all....but a lot of things went well for GB last season too.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment.

you mean the game that was without a doubt the most thrilling game of the entire playoffs where GB mounted a comeback and it went to OT. yeah what an embarassassment

Apparently you didn't watch the week before, when Green Bay played AZ and looked clearly superior. How does one account for such a turn of events the following week? MacArthy was outcoached, as was Capers.Glad you liked it, though, it was fun to watch but it never should have been.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment.

you mean the game that was without a doubt the most thrilling game of the entire playoffs where GB mounted a comeback and it went to OT. yeah what an embarassassment

Apparently you didn't watch the week before, when Green Bay played AZ and looked clearly superior. How does one account for such a turn of events the following week? MacArthy was outcoached, as was Capers.Glad you liked it, though, it was fun to watch but it never should have been.

Enough already. GB-AZ played week 17 and they were going to play the next week, so there was nothing to gain. Back to the point, Rodgers is a stud. 460031 TD11 TD4 rushing TD

 

[sho nuff]

I see GB being worse this season for many reasons and I think that last season things went just right for them.QB- Rodgers has impressed me and exceeded my expectations, I will be the first to admit that. However, expecting him to put up those good of #'s(passing and rushing) despite only 7 INT's is hard to duplicate.-No veteran backupRB- Ryan Grant.....I see last season as his ceiling...4.4 yard average...11 rushing TD....1253 yards....again hard to dublicate giving his athletic ability.Brandon Jackson has proven that he is nothing special and James Starks is a 6th round pick. They need to upgrade this position.WR- Greg Jennings is a solid WR that will have a catch % in the high 50's and grab 65-80 balls , 1000 yards, 6-10 TD's.Donald Driver is 35...on the decline and didn't catch a TD pass in the last 5 games including playoffs. He should be worse this season.James Jones almost has better stats from his rookie season vs the last two combined.Jordy Nelson is only entering his 3rd year and has averaged 27 catches per season.FBG's claimed they had the best WR group in the NFL prior to last season....I didn't see it. The 3/4 WR have failed to live up to the hype.TE- Finley is exciting....I drafted him early in one league and had a great playoff game. But he only had 55 regular season catches last year.....let's hold off on the crazy projections until he has performed. I like the depth GB has here with Havner and Lee. This is one position group that should be better than last season. OL- The starting OL is old Clifton(33), Colledge(28), Wells (29), Spitz(27), Tauscher (32). They showed last season they were below average and I see no reason why they won't be worse this season. As far backups they have a few late round guys and Bryan Bulaga(who I view as a RT) as much as some view him as the savior of the OL....he has reasons why he slipped to the late 1st round.Defensive Starters with age- Cullen Jenkins(29), Ryan Pickett(30), Nick Barnett (29), Al Harris (35), Charles Woodson(33). It would honestly be hard for me to believe that they would play above or at the same level they did last season as a group. So in general, they should decline somewhat.DL- Can't count on Jolly this season with all the legal troubles and he didn't resign the tender. One would think that Raji would get better. But with Picket/Jenkins age it would offset. Will Harrell be healthy/contribute? They reached on Mike Neal a bit....but it made sense given the DL's injuries/legal issues/age.LB- Mathews played good last season, but I feel offenses will shift blocking to him or pay more attention to him so his #'s will be down. Barnett didn't make a ton of plays last year and will he stay healthy/decline with age/etc. Hawk has been a disappointment....will Bishop start? Is Brad Jones going to start at OLB and will he get any pass rush?CB- Woodson can't maintain the DOPY level he did last season...just by chance....then factor in his age. Al Harris is coming off of major injury and was already declining in play + he is 35. Tramon Williams played well at times....but I don't think he forced himself as the heir apparent to Harris. Pat Lee has been a disappointment, Blackmon is coming off of injury.S- Nick Collins has played great back there and gives the rest of the D a sense of security back there. However Bigby has disappointed...will he bounce back? Maybe Burnett will fill that void?K-Mason Crosby missed 9 FG's last year and 7 the year before.The return game should be a question mark as well with Blackmon coming back from injury.So to review.....To have the great performances of Rodgers, Grant, and Woodson repeat are unlikely. The age of Driver, Clifton/Tauscher, Jenkins, Pickett, Barnett, Harris, Woodson should affect their play as well. I don't see GB as a bad team moving forward at all....but a lot of things went well for GB last season too.

Rodgers...hard to duplicate...maybe the 7 INTs...but he only had 13 the year before. His first season was not all that far off his second...so not sure how hard it should be for him to duplicate.Grant...I think you and others underestimate his athletic ability...you are all too caught up on a thing like supposed pedigree. And are his numbers so hard to duplicate that he basically did so (over a shorter number of games) in 2007?Driver...what evidence is there that he is on the decline? His numbers went down...IMO for 2 reasons...the emergence of Finley and how Jennings finally got things going. He is still a very very good WR who takes damn good care of himself...and if he does slip, they are pretty deep at WR and now have Finley. And Im not sure why their #3 and #4 WRs are reasons they would be worse. Those 2 are pretty good.OL...the tackles are older...the rest...28 is now old for an Olineman? Their interior line is young. And you left out Sitton who is the starter at RG. Colledge and Spitz are competing for the LG spot. I see reasons why they won't be worse than last year. Tauscher was coming off of a knee injury and was not even on the team til several games in. They won't be running Barbre out there starting at RT anymore. And the Colledge experiment filling in if/when Clifton gets hurt is over as well. They know have 2nd year Lang to play RT if needed...and a pretty talented rookie to groom for LT. This group got much better as the year went on and were not below average to finish up the season. Nor will they be to start this season.D age...again...29 is hardly an old player in this league at those positions. Woodson and Harris yes...Pickett will likely be a rotational player...I don't think his age is a concern.DL...the are preparing for life without Jolly by drafting DL twice in this past draft. Add in having Raji for another year, Jenkins, and Pickett anyway and that is a very good starting 3. If they get even a few games out of Harrell to fill in if Jolly gets suspended...they should be just fine up front. Jenkins age? 29...seriously...he is 29. Your opinion that they reached on Neal...not seeing it as much of a reach there.LB. Barnett is 29 too...stop with the age talk. he was also coming off of a knee injury going into last season. He should be better this year...not worse. Jones had more of a pass rush than Kampman did last year. He should be better...as should Matthews. Hawk is a solid but unspectacular LB. This is a possible weakness at OLB if Jones does not improve.CB...Woodson and Williams are good. Beyond that is a big question mark. Can Harris come back...can Lee or Underwood contribute.S. I think Burnett will take that job. Bigby has disappointed since coming out strong part way through the 2007 season.So...to review...they have already repeated great performances...so why is it unlikely that Grant and Rodgers could do it again? Woodson...at least you have a reason with his age. But its likely he is still a pro-bowl caliber player.The age of Jenkins and Barnett is a laughable concern.

 

[sho nuff]

the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment.

you mean the game that was without a doubt the most thrilling game of the entire playoffs where GB mounted a comeback and it went to OT. yeah what an embarassassment

Apparently you didn't watch the week before, when Green Bay played AZ and looked clearly superior. How does one account for such a turn of events the following week? MacArthy was outcoached, as was Capers.Glad you liked it, though, it was fun to watch but it never should have been.

Did you watch the week before when Arizona pulled their starters and Warner was not out there long and the next week he could not miss a single pass?McCarthy's coaching was fine...Capers...not so much.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I see GB being worse this season for many reasons and I think that last season things went just right for them.

QB- Rodgers has impressed me and exceeded my expectations, I will be the first to admit that. However, expecting him to put up those good of #'s(passing and rushing) despite only 7 INT's is hard to duplicate.

-No veteran backup

RB- Ryan Grant.....I see last season as his ceiling...4.4 yard average...11 rushing TD....1253 yards....again hard to dublicate giving his athletic ability.

Brandon Jackson has proven that he is nothing special and James Starks is a 6th round pick. They need to upgrade this position.

WR- Greg Jennings is a solid WR that will have a catch % in the high 50's and grab 65-80 balls , 1000 yards, 6-10 TD's.

Donald Driver is 35...on the decline and didn't catch a TD pass in the last 5 games including playoffs. He should be worse this season.

James Jones almost has better stats from his rookie season vs the last two combined.

Jordy Nelson is only entering his 3rd year and has averaged 27 catches per season.

FBG's claimed they had the best WR group in the NFL prior to last season....I didn't see it. The 3/4 WR have failed to live up to the hype.

TE- Finley is exciting....I drafted him early in one league and had a great playoff game. But he only had 55 regular season catches last year.....let's hold off on the crazy projections until he has performed. I like the depth GB has here with Havner and Lee. This is one position group that should be better than last season.

OL- The starting OL is old Clifton(33), Colledge(28), Wells (29), Spitz(27), Tauscher (32). They showed last season they were below average and I see no reason why they won't be worse this season. As far backups they have a few late round guys and Bryan Bulaga(who I view as a RT) as much as some view him as the savior of the OL....he has reasons why he slipped to the late 1st round.

Defensive Starters with age- Cullen Jenkins(29), Ryan Pickett(30), Nick Barnett (29), Al Harris (35), Charles Woodson(33). It would honestly be hard for me to believe that they would play above or at the same level they did last season as a group. So in general, they should decline somewhat.

DL- Can't count on Jolly this season with all the legal troubles and he didn't resign the tender. One would think that Raji would get better. But with Picket/Jenkins age it would offset. Will Harrell be healthy/contribute? They reached on Mike Neal a bit....but it made sense given the DL's injuries/legal issues/age.

LB- Mathews played good last season, but I feel offenses will shift blocking to him or pay more attention to him so his #'s will be down. Barnett didn't make a ton of plays last year and will he stay healthy/decline with age/etc. Hawk has been a disappointment....will Bishop start? Is Brad Jones going to start at OLB and will he get any pass rush?

CB- Woodson can't maintain the DOPY level he did last season...just by chance....then factor in his age. Al Harris is coming off of major injury and was already declining in play + he is 35. Tramon Williams played well at times....but I don't think he forced himself as the heir apparent to Harris. Pat Lee has been a disappointment, Blackmon is coming off of injury.

S- Nick Collins has played great back there and gives the rest of the D a sense of security back there. However Bigby has disappointed...will he bounce back? Maybe Burnett will fill that void?

K-Mason Crosby missed 9 FG's last year and 7 the year before.

The return game should be a question mark as well with Blackmon coming back from injury.

So to review.....To have the great performances of Rodgers, Grant, and Woodson repeat are unlikely. The age of Driver, Clifton/Tauscher, Jenkins, Pickett, Barnett, Harris, Woodson should affect their play as well.

I don't see GB as a bad team moving forward at all....but a lot of things went well for GB last season too.

Rodgers...hard to duplicate...maybe the 7 INTs...but he only had 13 the year before. His first season was not all that far off his second...so not sure how hard it should be for him to duplicate.If he throws 7 INT's or less and 4400 yards this season I would be shocked. That is hard to duplicate is my point.

Grant...I think you and others underestimate his athletic ability...you are all too caught up on a thing like supposed pedigree. And are his numbers so hard to duplicate that he basically did so (over a shorter number of games) in 2007?

I have not been a fan of Grant no. But Jamaal Charles, Jerome Harrison, etc have had second half surges with great YPC....sustained is in question. The year before Grant was 3.9....I look for 4.4 as a ceiling...like I said hard to repeat those numbers.

Driver...what evidence is there that he is on the decline? His numbers went down...IMO for 2 reasons...the emergence of Finley and how Jennings finally got things going. He is still a very very good WR who takes damn good care of himself...and if he does slip, they are pretty deep at WR and now have Finley. And Im not sure why their #3 and #4 WRs are reasons they would be worse. Those 2 are pretty good.

Driver does keep himself in good shape...but that doesn't mean he lasts forever. No matter why, his numbers did decline at the end of last season and it could be because of ability. My point on Jones/Nelson is they haven't proven anything. They haven't have over 50 catches or 700 yards in any one season. In fact they haven't had over 40 catches or 500 yards in either of the past two seasons. I think they are both hyped up and haven't proven that they are "pretty good" at all.

OL...the tackles are older...the rest...28 is now old for an Olineman? Their interior line is young. And you left out Sitton who is the starter at RG. Colledge and Spitz are competing for the LG spot. I see reasons why they won't be worse than last year. Tauscher was coming off of a knee injury and was not even on the team til several games in. They won't be running Barbre out there starting at RT anymore. And the Colledge experiment filling in if/when Clifton gets hurt is over as well. They know have 2nd year Lang to play RT if needed...and a pretty talented rookie to groom for LT. This group got much better as the year went on and were not below average to finish up the season. Nor will they be to start this season.

The point on age is it is very rare for a player to improve by a significant margin at 28 age or older. Normally they are what they are at that point....and will ever start declining. I don't think the Clifton/Tauscher combo will play as well as they did last season. I think they need one of these young guys to step up much more than they have to make this unit progress this season.

D age...again...29 is hardly an old player in this league at those positions. Woodson and Harris yes...Pickett will likely be a rotational player...I don't think his age is a concern.

Again, the point is they won't be better.....and perhaps could decline. Pickett as a rotational player....is that to keep him more fresh to be more productive?

DL...the are preparing for life without Jolly by drafting DL twice in this past draft. Add in having Raji for another year, Jenkins, and Pickett anyway and that is a very good starting 3. If they get even a few games out of Harrell to fill in if Jolly gets suspended...they should be just fine up front. Jenkins age? 29...seriously...he is 29. Your opinion that they reached on Neal...not seeing it as much of a reach there.

ESPN had Neal's ranking as a 59 overall....so it's not just me. I think the pick made sense from a positional standpoint...but a reach.

LB. Barnett is 29 too...stop with the age talk. he was also coming off of a knee injury going into last season. He should be better this year...not worse. Jones had more of a pass rush than Kampman did last year. He should be better...as should Matthews. Hawk is a solid but unspectacular LB. This is a possible weakness at OLB if Jones does not improve.

Again the age talk is referring to them not as apt to improve. Also Barnett has had many injuries....becoming injured again isn't out of the question. You think Mathews will get more sacks this year?

CB...Woodson and Williams are good. Beyond that is a big question mark. Can Harris come back...can Lee or Underwood contribute.

S. I think Burnett will take that job. Bigby has disappointed since coming out strong part way through the 2007 season.

So...to review...they have already repeated great performances...so why is it unlikely that Grant and Rodgers could do it again? Woodson...at least you have a reason with his age. But its likely he is still a pro-bowl caliber player.

The age of Jenkins and Barnett is a laughable concern.

The limited turnovers by Rodgers isn't likely to be repeated, Grant's YPC isn't likely to repeat either. The overall reason I brought up the breakdown and the things regarding the players is b/c a poster stated "If you don't think GB will be better this season, then I don't know what to tell you" or something to that point. They have many reasons why they won't be as good. Age is a concern b/c they likely won't be a better player....the same player perhaps....a slightly worse player probably.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

the Arizona game last year was an embarrassment.

you mean the game that was without a doubt the most thrilling game of the entire playoffs where GB mounted a comeback and it went to OT. yeah what an embarassassment

Apparently you didn't watch the week before, when Green Bay played AZ and looked clearly superior. How does one account for such a turn of events the following week? MacArthy was outcoached, as was Capers.Glad you liked it, though, it was fun to watch but it never should have been.

Did you watch the week before when Arizona pulled their starters and Warner was not out there long and the next week he could not miss a single pass?McCarthy's coaching was fine...Capers...not so much.

(sigh...) Without continuing to argue MacArthy's flawed strategy Week 17 compared to AZ, the fact of the matter is that Green Bay was favored to win both last year's Wildcard game AND the NFC Championship game in 2008, yet they blew it. The defense failed in AZ, and Capers gets the majority of the blame. However Capers wasn't the defensive coordinator for the NFC Championship game, yet MacArthy refused to make any halftime adjustment to give Harris some help with Burris, who owned him the entire game.I, and others, are convinced that MacArthy does not know how to prepare for, and manage, a playoff game. As a Packer fan, I hope I'm wrong. But methinks it's true.

 

[Dragon1952]

Who thinks that he will be the top scorer in 6pts/ pass TD leagues? Ive seen him on all rankings no worse than 2... why all the hype? whats the difference than him and Romo,Rivers and brady, Schaub... can someone explain this because readind all this hype on him is making me start to believe it...lol

Bottom line, regardless of whether it was 4 pts or 6 pts per TD, looking at my leagues he was #2 QB in 2008, around 25 pts behind Brees, and #1 in 2009 by 40 pts over Brees. The situation hasn't changed much, in fact hopefully a better OL this year, and plus another year experience.

 

[sho nuff]

I disagree on what you said on Grant...if he just had the one surge and that was it...fine...but its now two years that he has done it when healthy. When he started the season with a Hammy issue...and the team struggled. So did he.

Rodgers...maybe not down to 7 INTs...but 4000 yards and 10ish INTs is not out of the question for him. I would call that pretty damn close to duplicating.

As for Barnett improving. He was pretty good before the knee injury in 2008 (career wise)...he was not showing signs of getting worse. He came back last year and had a pretty good year. I don't think his age will keep him from improving on last year given he was coming off of a knee injury. And he has not really been hurt all that much.

 

[sho nuff]

(sigh...) Without continuing to argue MacArthy's flawed strategy Week 17 compared to AZ, the fact of the matter is that Green Bay was favored to win both last year's Wildcard game AND the NFC Championship game in 2008, yet they blew it. The defense failed in AZ, and Capers gets the majority of the blame. However Capers wasn't the defensive coordinator for the NFC Championship game, yet MacArthy refused to make any halftime adjustment to give Harris some help with Burris, who owned him the entire game.I, and others, are convinced that MacArthy does not know how to prepare for, and manage, a playoff game. As a Packer fan, I hope I'm wrong. But methinks it's true.

Well...the fact of the matter is they lost a game on the road to a team that was in the Super Bowl the year before...in OT and were a few feet away from a Rodgers to Jennings TD to win it. I don't find that any reason to think McCarthy is even close to on the hot seat right now. Though, he was a bit last season around the Tampa game if things would have went south.I am glad you think he does not know how to prepare for a playoff game...pardon me if I don't think you are all that strong of a source to go to for how he prepares though.I think he is a heck of a X and Os offensive coach...and a solid head coach.

 

[vfourmax]

I just took Rodgers, pick 1.5 in a new start up dynasty league. I think that the last two years Rodgers has proven he is very capable of being an elite QB in the Nfl. Actually his teacher (Favre) has been one of the best in the league for many years and it is apparent by his play that Rodgers paid attention. I think Greene Bay used very good judgement in how they brought his talents along and in the timing of when he was ready to take the reins as the starter.

Will Rodgers put up the numbers like last year every year, perhaps not but at his age level he does have the potential to be a top 5 QB for at least the next 8 or so years if not longer.

I have seen where it is mentioned that the GB defense is old and on the decline but I did not draft the defense. Actually from having Rodgers as my starting QB in my fantasy team that could even work out to my favour as if the games are close or Rodgers needs to play a little moderate catch up then the team will be more likely to keep passing the ball rather than keep it on the ground protecting a lead and trying to eat up the clock. That my friend will add yards and hopefully additional TD's to Rodgers stats which results in more fantasy points for me.

I can agree that in a redraft that current productions are all that matter and top tier running backs and even top tier wide receivers have much more drop off quicker to the second tier and importance should be strongly considered. BUT even in a redraft last year the top elite Quarterbacks such as Brees and Rodgers week in and week out were the top scorers in most formats the problem then becomes what the rest of your team was capable of.

I have no regrets about taking Rodgers as my first pick in a new dynasty, barring unforseen injuries I think that it will be some years before I need a new #1 QB.

 

[ookook]

Whether I think McCarthy is a very good or great coach is beside the point; in his offense QBs puts up some good fantasy points. Period.

 

[gladee88er]

The top-ranked fantasy QB the year before is obviously considered in the #1 ranking the following year as long as nothing major has changed.

Doesn't seem like much has changed for him, except he is more experienced. That should be a good thing. He probably won't be #1 this year though. I'm guessing top five is a good bet.

My #1 guess this year is either Manning, Romo, or Rivers. I'm a life-long Pats fan, but I don't consider Brady even close for the obvious reasons. I'd still love to have him as my QB1 though!

Marko

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

his teacher (Favre)

In light of that Rodgers interview posted todayhow amazing do you think it will be when Rodgers finally, publicly puts Favre on blast in 5-10 years

 

[ookook]

My bad, but I am not sure what you mean by "on blast".

 

[sho nuff]

his teacher (Favre)

In light of that Rodgers interview posted todayhow amazing do you think it will be when Rodgers finally, publicly puts Favre on blast in 5-10 years

I doubt he ever will while an active player. maybe when its over...if they really had animosity or if Rodgers felt wronged by him...I don't know.As for the post you are responding to...lets be clear..>Favre was a teacher, but I also give a ton of credit to McCarthy...beyond if he is a good head coach or not, its pretty clear he is pretty damn good with QBs, the guy made Aaron Brooks look good.

 

[ookook]

I give all the credit to Rodgers himself. He was incredibly gracious, patient, and studied well. He deserved the accoldades he has earned and ai Was a doubter.

I also give credit to TT for not really ever being able to put together much of a running game.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I also give a ton of credit to McCarthy...beyond if he is a good head coach or not, its pretty clear he is pretty damn good with QBs, the guy made Aaron Brooks look good.

Yeah I dunno how much of his "quarterback school" was his own invention but I wouldn't be surprised to see his OC or QB coach take that elsewhere one day.

 

[ArcticEdge]

I'll take Brett Favre every day of the week over Rodgers and twice on Sundays..

 

[ArcticEdge]

And 3 times on MNF.

 

[J-Dawg]

In my newest dynasty league, I drew the 8th overall pick. Do you guys think Rodgers would fall to 1.08?

 

[sho nuff]

I give all the credit to Rodgers himself. He was incredibly gracious, patient, and studied well. He deserved the accoldades he has earned and ai Was a doubter.I also give credit to TT for not really ever being able to put together much of a running game.

Well...I give credit to Rodgers too...for busting his hump and not worrying about much more than his own game.Seems they had a running game just fine last year and at the end of 2007 (2008, not so much).

 

[sho nuff]

I'll take Brett Favre every day of the week over Rodgers and twice on Sundays..

I think you are lying or fishing.Would any Vikings fan really right now say they would not trade Favre straight up for Rodgers today?Have possibly 10 years of QB ready to run out there with Peterson rather than maybe having one more year?

 

[Dancing Bear]

Most of this thread has been off-track ...

The facts are that Rodgers is an elite QB who with Brees are in a top tier by themselves in the NFL the past 2 years.

He has only 3 games out of 33 as a starter with more INT's than TD's!

He has only 3 games out of 33 as a starter where he has had 0 TD's!

He has outscored Peyton Manning by nearly 100 Fantasy points over this time!

Rodgers is getting hyped because he delivers!

 

[David Yudkin]

Most fantasy points scored by a QB over two consecutive seasons:

Culpepper 2003-2004 762.6

Farve 1995-1996 759.3

Young 1993-1994 753.6

Garcia 2000-2001 741.6

Rodgers 2008-2009 740.7