A tale of two coaches: Wade and Cam (1 Viewer)

[FakeAudible]

I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Hoping more knowledgeable voices can weigh in. Seems like Wade is doing his job terrificly. I haven't read a story about Terrell Owens off the field in a while ("get your popcorn ready" was the last thing, and before the Patriots game he told the media that he was going to be quiet. Cam is a completely different story. His draft pick has been suspect (a lot of people say Brady Quinn), his team hates him (I've read that the Dolphins are losing to spite Cam / trying to get him fired).

I'm wondering what fans learn about the Chargers '06 season based on the coordinators performance afterwards.

And I'm wondering why both made significant contributions to the Chargers very successful season and for one the success translated to his coaching gig and for the other it didn't.

A link to a good article (if there is one), would be nice.

 

[nibbomydaets]

First things first, Talent. The Cowboys have a boatload of young homegrown drafted talent with a few FA's sprinkled in.

Two, Wade has coaching pedigree. Sure his dad was probably off his rocker, but it helps to watch somebody else do it, and then put your own spin on it.

The Dolphins have been a pretty poorly run team since Shula left. Jerry Jones is one of the best owners in the league.

 

[BoltBacker]

First things first, Talent.

That pretty much sums it up.I will add this though; Wade was brought in as a defensive guy and handed the offensive reigns over to Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett has done a GREAT job with the talent he has. So he's gotten a lot of support from Garrett.Cam was brought in as the offensive guy and his defense is run by Dom Capers. Injuries/age have killed the MIA defense but still, dropping from #5 defense in '06 to the #30 defense in '07.... that explains how you go from a 6 win team to a 0 win team.This year both Wade/Cam have relied heavily on their "other half" and this year I don't think anyone would dispute...Jason Garrett >>>>> Dom Capers

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I can't give either coach too much credit or too much blame.

One inherited a very solid team, while the other inherited

the scum at the bottom of the trash bin.

 

[Brutis]

Wade Phillips is in a no-win situation no matter what he does. He will never get any of the credit but all the blame.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

First things first, Talent. The Cowboys have a boatload of young homegrown drafted talent with a few FA's sprinkled in.Two, Wade has coaching pedigree. Sure his dad was probably off his rocker, but it helps to watch somebody else do it, and then put your own spin on it.The Dolphins have been a pretty poorly run team since Shula left. Jerry Jones is one of the best owners in the league.

wade has been a HC before.Cam was a HC in college, probably had more talent at Indiana than this current Miami team

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Wade Phillips is in a no-win situation no matter what he does. He will never get any of the credit but all the blame.

I think the players are giving him alot of credit, he is the exact opposite of the Tuna. and his players have responded well. Not to mention Romo has progressed very nicely

 

[redman]

I can't give either coach too much credit or too much blame.One inherited a very solid team, while the other inherited the scum at the bottom of the trash bin.

 

[Brutis]

Wade Phillips is in a no-win situation no matter what he does. He will never get any of the credit but all the blame.

I think the players are giving him alot of credit, he is the exact opposite of the Tuna. and his players have responded well. Not to mention Romo has progressed very nicely

I agree that the players seem to love the guy. The average fan and media covering the NFL is more of who i was talking about. I think Wade is very underrated.

 

[redman]

Wade Phillips is in a no-win situation no matter what he does. He will never get any of the credit but all the blame.

I think the players are giving him alot of credit, he is the exact opposite of the Tuna. and his players have responded well. Not to mention Romo has progressed very nicely

I agree that the players seem to love the guy. The average fan and media covering the NFL is more of who i was talking about. I think Wade is very underrated.

How so? What can you point to in his head coaching career that makes you say that?

 

[Despyzer]

I think Wade is very underrated.

How so? What can you point to in his head coaching career that makes you say that?

The guy took over a squad that was run by one of the all-time best coaches and improved them with essentially the same talent. I think he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 

[stevegamer]

Wade Phillips is in a no-win situation no matter what he does. He will never get any of the credit but all the blame.

I think the players are giving him alot of credit, he is the exact opposite of the Tuna. and his players have responded well. Not to mention Romo has progressed very nicely

I agree that the players seem to love the guy. The average fan and media covering the NFL is more of who i was talking about. I think Wade is very underrated.

How so? What can you point to in his head coaching career that makes you say that?

I don't think he's really been 'rated" yet on this stint, but it's going well. He's likely better than Cameron, who's been bad everywhere - unless of course, you put him in a time machine back to 1967.

 

[nibbomydaets]

I think Wade is very underrated.

How so? What can you point to in his head coaching career that makes you say that?

The guy took over a squad that was run by one of the all-time best coaches and improved them with essentially the same talent. I think he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.

He sure isn't worse then Joe Gibbs 2.0

 

[redman]

I think Wade is very underrated.

How so? What can you point to in his head coaching career that makes you say that?

The guy took over a squad that was run by one of the all-time best coaches and improved them with essentially the same talent. I think he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I'm always leery of "players' coaches" replacing hard asses and getting short term success. It never seems to last. I also don't think that Parcells was an elite coach any more - I've posted fairly extensively on this board about what I thought was a clear declining trend in his coaching success as measured especially by playoff success.

In short, while I think Wade has helped the defense by making it into a more aggressive 3-4 style of defense like was run in San Diego, he's benefitted even more from Romo's superb development after his first full offseason and training camp as the starter and Sean Payton's aggressive offense, things that he has nothing to do with. The Cowboys' young talent has also simply benefitted from maturation over the additional year IMHO.

I'd rate Phillips as an average overall head coach, and as a very good defensive coordinator.

 

[Brutis]

I think Wade is very underrated.

How so? What can you point to in his head coaching career that makes you say that?

The guy took over a squad that was run by one of the all-time best coaches and improved them with essentially the same talent. I think he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I'm always leery of "players' coaches" replacing hard asses and getting short term success. It never seems to last. I also don't think that Parcells was an elite coach any more - I've posted fairly extensively on this board about what I thought was a clear declining trend in his coaching success as measured especially by playoff success.

In short, while I think Wade has helped the defense by making it into a more aggressive 3-4 style of defense like was run in San Diego, he's benefitted even more from Romo's superb development after his first full offseason and training camp as the starter and Sean Payton's aggressive offense, things that he has nothing to do with. The Cowboys' young talent has also simply benefitted from maturation over the additional year IMHO.

I'd rate Phillips as an average overall head coach, and as a very good defensive coordinator.

I remember when he got the Bills HC job I thought the Bills were a horrible team and he somehow managed a 10-6 record or so and playoff spot. The year after he got fired for the miracle play against the Titans to go to the Super Bowl i think the Bills finished with 3 wins or so. I probably should look all this up before I post but Im feeling lazy today.

 

[Despyzer]

I remember when he got the Bills HC job I thought the Bills were a horrible team and he somehow managed a 10-6 record or so and playoff spot. The year after he got fired for the miracle play against the Titans to go to the Super Bowl i think the Bills finished with 3 wins or so. I probably should look all this up before I post but Im feeling lazy today.

They had 26 wins the three years before Wade got there (6-10 during Marv's last year), 29 during Wade's three years, and then 17 in the three years that followed (3-13 during Gregg Williams' first year.

 

[Despyzer]

In short, while I think Wade has helped the defense by making it into a more aggressive 3-4 style of defense like was run in San Diego, he's benefitted even more from Romo's superb development after his first full offseason and training camp as the starter and Sean Payton's aggressive offense, things that he has nothing to do with. The Cowboys' young talent has also simply benefitted from maturation over the additional year IMHO.

Are you making the argument that nearly every QB makes the same kind of progress that Romo has seen simply from having a full offseason and and training camp as the starter? I'm not sure history supports that assertion. Also, Sean Payton hasn't been the OC of the Cowboys in a couple years.