Adrian Peterson, retired (2 Viewers)

[BigJim®]

Semantics don't even matter here. Under the prior CPC, a player can be suspended for conduct generally that reflects poorly on the NFL, whether or not convicted of a crime (see Roethlisberger). Under the new policy "Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant." Anyone who believes the new policy to be limited to their definition of domestic abuse needs to read the policy, and understand what the word "or" means. Peterson pled no contest to assault, which is covered by the policy whether or not it is domestic abuse of a spouse.

I would point out here that while this policy does allow longer suspensions "when circumstances warrant," it's pretty clear that the circumstances of the abuse don't warrant it here. The policy defines the baseline punishment for domestic abuse first offenders (6 weeks), and this situation is pretty clearly in that bucket. If the kid wound up in the hospital, or Peterson was charged with a felony, there might be a case for a longer suspension, but this situation is pretty much open-and-shut on the baseline punishment being appropriate. This differs from the Ray Rice situation for that reason.

So the question is whether it will be six weeks tacked on after he's reinstated, or whether he'll get credit for time served.

Wait I thought he was CHARGED with a Felony? He just plead down to a lower charge? Also how often to people charged with the Felony end up with lessor convictions because they plead it down thus saving tax-payer money?

Happens all the time with first timers especially if they have money

Even in cases where a child's well being is at stake? I'm asking seriously because I hope that's not the case. I would hope that if a prosecutor thought a child would be in danger of abuse at the hands of a parent that they would not allow a plea to a lesser charge that would allow the parent to continue to have unsupervised contact.

Who are you referring to that is allowed unsupervised contact with his child?

Referring to the supposed people that are plead down in child cases solely for the purposes of saving money for taxpayers. Again, I hope that's not the case...but I guess nothing would really surprise me.

It isn't in Peterson's case. Regardless of what was happening in Texas, the Hennipen County attorney in Minnesota filed a petition in September prohibiting Peterson from unsupervised conduct with the 4 year old. More recently in November, after the plea, a second petition was filed prohibiting unsupervised contact with a 2nd Peterson child who resides in Hennipen county. I don;t think the criminal pleading has the impact you feared.

 

[theplayer11]

It's gonna be hilarious to watch all the tears shed in this thread that are anti-Peterson when he's reinstated by Wednesday morning.

who cares..I mean really

 

[JimmyJabroni]

Semantics don't even matter here. Under the prior CPC, a player can be suspended for conduct generally that reflects poorly on the NFL, whether or not convicted of a crime (see Roethlisberger). Under the new policy "Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant." Anyone who believes the new policy to be limited to their definition of domestic abuse needs to read the policy, and understand what the word "or" means. Peterson pled no contest to assault, which is covered by the policy whether or not it is domestic abuse of a spouse.

I would point out here that while this policy does allow longer suspensions "when circumstances warrant," it's pretty clear that the circumstances of the abuse don't warrant it here. The policy defines the baseline punishment for domestic abuse first offenders (6 weeks), and this situation is pretty clearly in that bucket. If the kid wound up in the hospital, or Peterson was charged with a felony, there might be a case for a longer suspension, but this situation is pretty much open-and-shut on the baseline punishment being appropriate. This differs from the Ray Rice situation for that reason.

So the question is whether it will be six weeks tacked on after he's reinstated, or whether he'll get credit for time served.

Wait I thought he was CHARGED with a Felony? He just plead down to a lower charge? Also how often to people charged with the Felony end up with lessor convictions because they plead it down thus saving tax-payer money?

Happens all the time with first timers especially if they have money

Even in cases where a child's well being is at stake? I'm asking seriously because I hope that's not the case. I would hope that if a prosecutor thought a child would be in danger of abuse at the hands of a parent that they would not allow a plea to a lesser charge that would allow the parent to continue to have unsupervised contact.

Who are you referring to that is allowed unsupervised contact with his child?

Referring to the supposed people that are plead down in child cases solely for the purposes of saving money for taxpayers. Again, I hope that's not the case...but I guess nothing would really surprise me.

It isn't in Peterson's case. Regardless of what was happening in Texas, the Hennipen County attorney in Minnesota filed a petition in September prohibiting Peterson from unsupervised conduct with the 4 year old. More recently in November, after the plea, a second petition was filed prohibiting unsupervised contact with a 2nd Peterson child who resides in Hennipen county. I don;t think the criminal pleading has the impact you feared.

It looks like this is so in Minnesota, because he was originally charged for this crime in another state....I saw it called a "technicality".

But in Texas where he was charged, and where he pleaded, it looks like there is no such protection in his deal, and he is free to see his child/children there?

 

[CalBear]

How about we just lock this thread until we get news. On one side we have the people who were able to get Peterson off waivers and the other side a bunch of cry babies who were unable to get him.

I'm seeing a lot of reasonable analysis of the situation by people who have differing opinions, as is likely to be the case in a situation like this.

And I see obnoxious posts like yours, but I don't think they're a reason to lock the thread.

 

[Jerry Curl]

A source tells PFT that the Vikings want Adrian Peterson back on the field.

There have been some rumors that the Vikings wanted to move on from Peterson, that they didn't want to take the PR hit that could come with bringing him back this season. PFT's source says that hogwash. Peterson will be embraced by the team if he's deemed eligible to play and is reportedly "ready to go." A ruling on Peterson's status under the Commissioner-Exempt list and an NFL decision on possible further discipline could be here as soon as Wednesday.
Related: Matt Asiata, Jerick McKinnon

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
Nov 18 - 8:18 AM

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

@AdamSchefter: Adrian Peterson was notified today that he has been suspended without pay for at least the remainder of the 2014 NFL season.

@AdamSchefter: Adrian Peterson is appealing the suspension right away, per league source.

 

[Tango]

with

 

[TDorBust]

So suspended for rest of season per Mike and Mike

 

[TDorBust]

It's gonna be hilarious to watch all the tears shed in this thread that are anti-Peterson when he's reinstated by Wednesday morning.

Feel silly? Crying? See it really doesn't matter to most except their fantasy teams.

 

[C-Bound]

Damn this. I need to drop him this week...or not.

 

[shadyridr]

For a misdemeanor? This is silly

 

[Jerry Curl]

Peterson suspended for rest of the year. Damn.

All over NFL Network ESPN and Twitter.

 

[Tango]

I see Goodell's power is declining. : /

The owners must have told him to use this as his manner of attempting to redeem himself.

Of course the Peter Kings et al will be all to eager to fall for the bait.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Seriously the biggest news regarding this players playing comes out and everyone is quiet?

 

[snogger]

Seriously the biggest news regarding this players playing comes out and everyone is quiet?

You do realize a LOT of people are still sleeping and/or on their way to work.. right

It is only 8am here in Central time and 6am Pacific..

 

[Jerry Curl]

A few things are certain, no one is ever going on the CEL again. Their will not be another CBA that will allow the commish to be judge jury and executioner ever again at the risk of lost seasons upon seasons. The NFLPA may never again negotiate with Goodell in any manor. The NFL is going to have its fill of court rooms over the next coming days and months. Goodells time as a commish is coming to an end because now its going to be Goodell went too far. The media hates Goodell they will spin it badly for him.

 

[snogger]

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

 

[Jerry Curl]

Seriously the biggest news regarding this players playing comes out and everyone is quiet?

You do realize a LOT of people are still sleeping and/or on their way to work.. right

It is only 8am here in Central time and 6am Pacific..

Its NFL season, who has time for sleep or work?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Seriously the biggest news regarding this players playing comes out and everyone is quiet?

Probably because (a) it's still pretty early in the day for a lot of folks, and (b) this should not be a surprise to anyone. As big a decision as this is, it's exactly what we expected to happen so in that sense it's not really "newsworthy."

 

[Cjw_55106]

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

Whatever. The "man" beat a child. I don't care what the plea was. The punishment fits IMO.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Seriously the biggest news regarding this players playing comes out and everyone is quiet?

Probably because (a) it's still pretty early in the day for a lot of folks, and (b) this should not be a surprise to anyone. As big a decision as this is, it's exactly what we expected to happen so in that sense it's not really "newsworthy."

Oh stop it. Not newsworthy? Really? Thats what you;re going with?

Stop with the early, its the internet, it never sleeps. My point was I expected an onslaught of comments now that he is suspended for the year. I didnt see that.

 

[shader]

Great job by Goodell. Handled the whole thing perfectly. Peterson misses the entire season, as he should have. After missing an entire season, he will be welcomed back with open arms to the NFL in 2015, as most people will feel that an entire season is enough justice for his crimes.

 

[voiceofunreason]

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

Maybe the next commish will help AP beat his kids. It's only a misdemeanor the first time right?

Seriously, there's a lot of blind people in here worried about their fantasy teams. He'll be back next year anyways and the lawyer fighting will begin shortly and he could be back sooner. If you didn't see this coming months ago you aren't very bright.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Oh stop it. Not newsworthy? Really? Thats what you;re going with?

Newsworthy's in quotes. Obviously that was a bit tongue in cheek, but seriously, if this news comes as any kind of surprise to you, then I think at this point you just have to admit that you weren't honestly assessing the situation all along (not referring to you specifically, but the general "you"). It's a big deal that the decision has finally been made but it's not at all a surprise.

 

[PhantomJB]

So my question is why did they wait so long to issue the suspension? Seems like that exempt list fiasco was a whole lot of drama for zero purpose.

 

[fatness]

It's gonna be hilarious to watch all the tears shed in this thread that are anti-Peterson when he's reinstated by Wednesday morning.

 

[Bobcat10]

This could be what the Vikings ended up wanting.

 

[fatness]

The media hates Goodell they will spin it badly for him.

This is going to play very well in the media and in public opinion for Goodell.

 

[ldizzle]

I would like to have a Debate about Child Rea

now that ap is suspended the whole year, can we debate about child rea yet?

 

[tangfoot]

A few things are certain, no one is ever going on the CEL again. Their will not be another CBA that will allow the commish to be judge jury and executioner ever again at the risk of lost seasons upon seasons. The NFLPA may never again negotiate with Goodell in any manor. The NFL is going to have its fill of court rooms over the next coming days and months. Goodells time as a commish is coming to an end because now its going to be Goodell went too far. The media hates Goodell they will spin it badly for him.

I see six sentences and six statements that are wrong. Well done!

 

[Apple Jack]

Another thread Jerry Curl'd.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

This could be what the Vikings ended up wanting.

this

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Goodell made the right call here.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

A few things are certain, no one is ever going on the CEL again. Their will not be another CBA that will allow the commish to be judge jury and executioner ever again at the risk of lost seasons upon seasons. The NFLPA may never again negotiate with Goodell in any manor. The NFL is going to have its fill of court rooms over the next coming days and months. Goodells time as a commish is coming to an end because now its going to be Goodell went too far. The media hates Goodell they will spin it badly for him.

I see six sentences and six statements that are wrong. Well done!

LMFAO

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Great job by Goodell. Handled the whole thing perfectly. Peterson misses the entire season, as he should have. After missing an entire season, he will be welcomed back with open arms to the NFL in 2015, as most people will feel that an entire season is enough justice for his crimes.

I agree with the suspension, however if they were going to suspend for at least the season...why wait until the legal process plays out? Why allow him to be paid for 2/3 of the season?

 

[SayWhat?]

Great job by Goodell. Handled the whole thing perfectly. Peterson misses the entire season, as he should have. After missing an entire season, he will be welcomed back with open arms to the NFL in 2015, as most people will feel that an entire season is enough justice for his crimes.

I agree with the suspension, however if they were going to suspend for at least the season...why wait until the legal process plays out? Why allow him to be paid for 2/3 of the season?

We don't have any idea what they were going to suspend him for. They've now suspended him for 6 games, which is effectively "the rest of the season." That doesn't mean that if a suspension were handed down when this first happen that he would've been suspended for the rest of the season.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Another thread Jerry Curl'd.

At least we all know to cut his worthless butt.

Just interested to see how this plays out in NFL and NFLPA relations. Should be messy.

Does he ever play again?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

We don't have any idea what they were going to suspend him for. They've now suspended him for 6 games, which is effectively "the rest of the season." That doesn't mean that if a suspension were handed down when this first happen that he would've been suspended for the rest of the season.

Well it's not definite that he's suspended for 6 games.

The NFL just announced that running back Adrian Peterson would be suspended for at least the rest of the year, without pay, for violations of the league’s personal conduct policy.

He will not be considered for reinstatement before April 15, 2015.

In the league’s letter to Peterson, commissioner Roger Goodell said: “The timing of your potential reinstatement will be based on the results of the counseling and treatment program set forth in this decision. Under this two-step approach, the precise length of the suspension will depend on your actions. We are prepared to put in place a program that can help you to succeed, but no program can succeed without your genuine and continuing engagement. You must commit yourself to your counseling and rehabilitative effort, properly care for your children, and have no further violations of law or league policy.”

I think he probably will be reinstated for Week 1 next season, but that hasn't really been determined yet.

 

[B-Deep]

A few things are certain, no one is ever going on the CEL again. Their will not be another CBA that will allow the commish to be judge jury and executioner ever again at the risk of lost seasons upon seasons. The NFLPA may never again negotiate with Goodell in any manor. The NFL is going to have its fill of court rooms over the next coming days and months. Goodells time as a commish is coming to an end because now its going to be Goodell went too far. The media hates Goodell they will spin it badly for him.

funny

they knew this was an issue last time they bargained a CBA. They should have put an end to it then, but they opted to fight for other things ($$$)

 

[Houston turmOiler]

So what is the appeal process/timetable?

 

[yoadrian]

So what happens with Ray Rice now? If he gets reinstated, this is an outrage..

 

[snogger]

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

Maybe the next commish will help AP beat his kids. It's only a misdemeanor the first time right?

Seriously, there's a lot of blind people in here worried about their fantasy teams. He'll be back next year anyways and the lawyer fighting will begin shortly and he could be back sooner. If you didn't see this coming months ago you aren't very bright.

This is NOT about the crime... IMO he could be thrown out of Football for life and I wouldn't shed a tear...

This about setting a precedent where they suspended him for 6 games under the "Personal Conduct" policy for a misdemeanor.. Where do we stop,, DWI's, Fights in a bar, .....Speeding??

 

[B-Deep]

You knew this was coming, in the Ray Rice thing a lot of people wanted a hammer to fall, and goodell failed. From a PR standpoint he'd much rather overreach here to show the league has changed than under reach. If some of the penalty is reduced in appeals at least he tried to make a stand, which is good PR

 

[fatness]

Since Peterson did not use any physical force when disciplining his son, the policy may not apply to his case.

Goodell's letter.

“First, the injury was inflicted on a child who was only four years old. The difference in size and strength between you and the child is significant, and your actions clearly caused physical injury to the child," Goodell wrote. "While an adult may have a number of options when confronted with abuse – to flee, to fight back, or to seek help from law enforcement – none of those options is realistically available to a four-year old child. Further, the injury inflicted on your son includes the emotional and psychological trauma to a young child who suffers criminal physical abuse at the hands of his father.“Second, the repetitive use of a switch in this instance is the functional equivalent of a weapon, particularly in the hands of someone with the strength of an accomplished professional athlete.

“Third, you have shown no meaningful remorse for your conduct. When indicted, you acknowledged what you did but said that you would not ‘eliminate whooping my kids' and defended your conduct in numerous published text messages to the child's mother. You also said that you felt ‘very confident with my actions because I know my intent.' These comments raise the serious concern that you do not fully appreciate the seriousness of your conduct, or even worse, that you may feel free to engage in similar conduct in the future."

 

[Cjw_55106]

I think it's refreshing that someone actually looked at what was done and used discretion to invoke a harsher sentence than a typical misdemeanor would normally get a player.

 

[B-Deep]

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

Whatever. The "man" beat a child. I don't care what the plea was. The punishment fits IMO.

Not going to get into what he did and whether this punishment "fits the crime".. That is for a different thread.

But ..

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

Maybe the next commish will help AP beat his kids. It's only a misdemeanor the first time right?

Seriously, there's a lot of blind people in here worried about their fantasy teams. He'll be back next year anyways and the lawyer fighting will begin shortly and he could be back sooner. If you didn't see this coming months ago you aren't very bright.

This is NOT about the crime... IMO he could be thrown out of Football for life and I wouldn't shed a tear...

This about setting a precedent where they suspended him for 6 games under the "Personal Conduct" policy for a misdemeanor.. Where do we stop,, DWI's, Fights in a bar, .....Speeding??

Employer sanctions do not have to be tied to crimes.

 

[snogger]

So my question is why did they wait so long to issue the suspension? Seems like that exempt list fiasco was a whole lot of drama for zero purpose.

Great job by Goodell. Handled the whole thing perfectly. Peterson misses the entire season, as he should have. After missing an entire season, he will be welcomed back with open arms to the NFL in 2015, as most people will feel that an entire season is enough justice for his crimes.

I agree with the suspension, however if they were going to suspend for at least the season...why wait until the legal process plays out? Why allow him to be paid for 2/3 of the season?

As mentioned above.. good luck ever getting a player to agree to go on the "Commissioner's exempt" list ever again..

Either suspend them without pay, or let them play until they have them time in court.. No more in-between status.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

beating the #### out of your kid with a stick, no matter if you how you want to use a word like 'misdemeanor', is still extremely offensive to most Americans in this country, and not at all on a slippery slope with DWI's, bar fighting, speeding, etc.

 

[B-Deep]

So my question is why did they wait so long to issue the suspension? Seems like that exempt list fiasco was a whole lot of drama for zero purpose.

Great job by Goodell. Handled the whole thing perfectly. Peterson misses the entire season, as he should have. After missing an entire season, he will be welcomed back with open arms to the NFL in 2015, as most people will feel that an entire season is enough justice for his crimes.

I agree with the suspension, however if they were going to suspend for at least the season...why wait until the legal process plays out? Why allow him to be paid for 2/3 of the season?

As mentioned above.. good luck ever getting a player to agree to go on the "Commissioner's exempt" list ever again..

Either suspend them without pay, or let them play until they have them time in court.. No more in-between status.

the exempt list was dumb anyway

 

[B-Deep]

Scott Fujita ‏@sfujita55 4m4 minutes ago
And let's be honest. We, the players, need to accept responsibility in the lack of a real policy. Failed to properly address in CBA talks.