Adrian Peterson, retired (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

So now the process drags out. If they would have given him time served and taken 6 game checks, people complain this week and then by Thanksgiving its all gone.

Now if AP wins his grievance to be removed from he CEL, he can play as early as this week while he appeals the 6 game suspension. Just what the NFL wants for PR. A drawn out court battle that they have a 50\50 chance of having their 6 game suspension reduced while the player they punished can get back on the field.

Horrible PR. Horribly handled. Opens the door for litigation for every disciplinary decision Goodell makes from now until he resigns. They've broken what little trust they had with the NFLPA now and have basically stated that its no longer a facade, the NFL does not care what the players think and doesn't need them to deal out justice.

This circus just ramped up to a whole other level now. Way to protect the image of the shield Rog. Were going to be hearing about litigation when we should have been looking at playoff races.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So what is the appeal process/timetable?

yeah dont most people get to play while appealing?

is he still on the excempt list?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

While were so concerned with protecting the image of the sheild, when do we concern ourselves with protecting defenseless 4 year old toddlers? Fantasy points be damned!

 

[snogger]

While were so concerned with protecting the image of the sheild, when do we concern ourselves with protecting defenseless 4 year old toddlers? Fantasy points be damned!

Please move onto the other thread..

 

[Insein]

While were so concerned with protecting the image of the sheild, when do we concern ourselves with protecting defenseless 4 year old toddlers? Fantasy points be damned!

You know that's not what this thread is about so enough already. Trying to paint everyone in favor of due process as people that want a 4 year old beat is more than ridiculous.

 

[snogger]

So what is the appeal process/timetable?

yeah dont most people get to play while appealing?

is he still on the excempt list?

I know Ray Rice isn't playing during his appeal as no one signed him.. But in this case ADP) is still on the Vikings Roster... If he is allowed to play during the Appeal process the News media is going to have a field day this week with the Packers in town..

 

[JimmyJabroni]

NFLPA will appeal Adrian Peterson suspension, cites NFL 'credibility gap'

By Will Brinson | NFL Writer
November 18, 2014 9:09 am ET
Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was suspended the remainder of the season without pay by the NFL on Tuesday, despite having spent most of the season on the "Commissioner's Exempt List" and not playing football.

The NFLPA -- which previously attempted to collectively bargain a revised Personal Conduct Policy -- will appeal and cited the Peterson suspension as an "example of the credibility gap" in the NFL's decisions.

"The decision by the NFL to suspend Adrian Peterson is another example of the credibility gap that exists between the agreements they make and the actions they take. Since Adrian's legal matter was adjudicated, the NFL has ignored their obligations and attempted to impose a new and arbitrary disciplinary proceeding," the union said in a statement.

"The facts are that Adrian has asked for a meeting with Roger Goodell, the discipline imposed is inconsistent and an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

The union confirmed they would appeal the decision and would demand a neutral arbitrator oversee said appeal.

Additionally, the union called for the Management Council to do whatever was necessary to make changes

"We call on the NFL Management Council to show our players and our sponsors leadership by committing to collective bargaining so a fair personal conduct policy can be implemented as quickly as possible."

 

[B-Deep]

I'd be stunned if he plays during his appeal

 

[Jerry Curl]

NFLPA will appeal Adrian Peterson suspension, cites NFL 'credibility gap'

By Will Brinson | NFL Writer
November 18, 2014 9:09 am ET
Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was suspended the remainder of the season without pay by the NFL on Tuesday, despite having spent most of the season on the "Commissioner's Exempt List" and not playing football.

The NFLPA -- which previously attempted to collectively bargain a revised Personal Conduct Policy -- will appeal and cited the Peterson suspension as an "example of the credibility gap" in the NFL's decisions.

"The decision by the NFL to suspend Adrian Peterson is another example of the credibility gap that exists between the agreements they make and the actions they take. Since Adrian's legal matter was adjudicated, the NFL has ignored their obligations and attempted to impose a new and arbitrary disciplinary proceeding," the union said in a statement.

"The facts are that Adrian has asked for a meeting with Roger Goodell, the discipline imposed is inconsistent and an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

The union confirmed they would appeal the decision and would demand a neutral arbitrator oversee said appeal.

Additionally, the union called for the Management Council to do whatever was necessary to make changes

"We call on the NFL Management Council to show our players and our sponsors leadership by committing to collective bargaining so a fair personal conduct policy can be implemented as quickly as possible."

They are declaring war. This is going to get dirty.

 

[B-Deep]

Robert Littal ‏@BSO 7m7 minutes ago
The irony of Adrian Peterson upset at how he is being discipline, too bad his 4-year-old son didn't have a union backing him

 

[Insein]

I'd be stunned if he plays during his appeal

That's really up to the Vikings. They would have to cut him or dress him and sit him. They can't send him home thanks the TO incident with Philly.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Robert Littal ‏@BSO 7m7 minutes ago
The irony of Adrian Peterson upset at how he is being discipline, too bad his 4-year-old son didn't have a union backing him

BAM

 

[Jerry Curl]

A few things are certain, no one is ever going on the CEL again. Their will not be another CBA that will allow the commish to be judge jury and executioner ever again at the risk of lost seasons upon seasons. The NFLPA may never again negotiate with Goodell in any manor. The NFL is going to have its fill of court rooms over the next coming days and months. Goodells time as a commish is coming to an end because now its going to be Goodell went too far. The media hates Goodell they will spin it badly for him.

I see six sentences and six statements that are wrong. Well done!

LMFAO

They are talking about the NFLs credibility but they will negotiate further contracts with him? Yeah I guess I will be wrong, the NFLPA will continue to negotiate with people they are taking to court over credibility.

 

[Bojang0301]

Going to get real ugly, especially with Smith having a credible candidate in Gilbert who has been pressing about issues like this for awhile.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

 

[Jerry Curl]

Going to get real ugly, especially with Smith having a credible candidate in Gilbert who has been pressing about issues like this for awhile.

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Like I said, this will be the end of Goodell. The NFLPA wants his blood and the NFL will turn their back on Goodell before they take a strike from the union.

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up. Heavy hands take more weight to beat.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I can't imagine the Vikings would want him playing under these circumstances. It would be enough of a distraction if everything was settled and everyone was moving on...playing under an appeal would be a circus. They'd have to at least consider cutting him if it ever got to that point.

 

[Franknbeans]

They are declaring war. This is going to get dirty.

As they should, the NFL (Goodell) can't just keep making this stuff up on the fly, or can they?

 

[Jerry Curl]

They are declaring war. This is going to get dirty.

As they should, the NFL (Goodell) can't just keep making this stuff up on the fly, or can they?

The build up and the anger on the unions side is there for a strike, seems like its coming together for one.

Sad to say but this has nothing to do with child abuse, it has everything to do with personal conduct policy and contract law.

 

[Cjw_55106]

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Says who? Did he get it in writing?

 

[Jerry Curl]

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Says who? Did he get it in writing?

Clearly getting stuff in writing doesnt matter with the league.

 

[Doug B]

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Not in writing, I bet.

 

[Cjw_55106]

They are declaring war. This is going to get dirty.

As they should, the NFL (Goodell) can't just keep making this stuff up on the fly, or can they?

The build up and the anger on the unions side is there for a strike, seems like its coming together for one.

Players strike to get the public on their side so they can get a better deal. Whether its the real issue or not, the public will see this as the players going on strike so they can be treated "fairly" after beating kids. No way they union suggests striking over this.

 

[tangfoot]

Going to get real ugly, especially with Smith having a credible candidate in Gilbert who has been pressing about issues like this for awhile.

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Like I said, this will be the end of Goodell. The NFLPA wants his blood and the NFL will turn their back on Goodell before they take a strike from the union.

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up. Heavy hands take more weight to beat.

The weakest union in sports (in all of organized labor???) that can't see the forest for the trees during their most important collective bargaining negotiations is suddenly going to RISE UP in defense of an admitted child abuser?

The NFLPA is really only a union in name, and all players are in it for themselves.

 

[fatness]

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up.

There is no way NFL players will strike to support Adrian Peterson in this.

 

[Cjw_55106]

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Says who? Did he get it in writing?

Clearly getting stuff in writing doesnt matter with the league.

Sometimes a player's actions go above and beyond what is spelled out in the CBA. The CBA cant cover everything.

 

[Doug B]

The build up and the anger on the unions side is there for a strike, seems like its coming together for one.

What anger there is is diffuse ... not seeing any public comments suggesting this.

 

[Insein]

They are declaring war. This is going to get dirty.

As they should, the NFL (Goodell) can't just keep making this stuff up on the fly, or can they?

The build up and the anger on the unions side is there for a strike, seems like its coming together for one.

Players strike to get the public on their side so they can get a better deal. Whether its the real issue or not, the public will see this as the players going on strike so they can be treated "fairly" after beating kids. No way they union suggests striking over this.

Correct. This would be a disaster if they had a strike for this. The NFL would crush them with just that scenario.

Instead they will wait for a favorable situation that paints a good light on the players and strike then.

 

[fatness]

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Jerry Jones after 5 drinks? lol

 

[yoadrian]

"an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."

Says who? Did he get it in writing?

Clearly getting stuff in writing doesnt matter with the league.

What about stuff NOT in writing, like the CEL? What are the rules for that? It should be called the "Commissioner can do whatever he feels because he doesn't know what to do for 9 weeks" list

 

[Jerry Curl]

In related news

A source tells ESPN's Ed Werder that the Colts have no interest in free agent Ray Rice even if Rice is reinstated.

A judge is tentatively expected to rule that the NFL must reinstate Rice within the next two weeks. At that point, he'll be free to sign with any team as a free agent. The Colts are certainly desperate for a back with Rice's skill set in the wake of Ahmad Bradshaw's injury, but they're not going to take the PR hit and we doubt any other team will either. Rice's best chance to get back on the field will be in 2015, a full year removed from the release of the heinous videotape that rocked the league.
Related: Colts

Source: Ed Werder on Twitter
Nov 18 - 9:40 AM

So if the ruling goes against the NFL and for Rice, does that mean the NFL violated Rices rights offered to him by the CBA in double jeopardy? Could mean that the commish has no idea how to enforce the rules he agreed to.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

LMFAO yeah lets strike because ADP beat the crap out of his kid, makes sense

 

[Jerry Curl]

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up.

There is no way NFL players will strike to support Adrian Peterson in this.

Not in support of him, but in support that they could be next. Why do you even think this NFLPA war has anything to do with Peterson and not the bigger picture?

LMFAO yeah lets strike because ADP beat the crap out of his kid, makes sense

Yes, because thats why they would be striking. Not at all striking for a new personal conduct policy under which they could be harshly punished in their eyes. Makes no sense at all? Not at all?

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

For a misdemeanor? This is silly

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Great job by Goodell. Handled the whole thing perfectly. Peterson misses the entire season, as he should have. After missing an entire season, he will be welcomed back with open arms to the NFL in 2015, as most people will feel that an entire season is enough justice for his crimes.

I agree with the suspension, however if they were going to suspend for at least the season...why wait until the legal process plays out? Why allow him to be paid for 2/3 of the season?

Hasn't this been their MO? I was under the assumption that that is the reason that Lynch has been able to skate for so long.

 

[fatness]

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up.

There is no way NFL players will strike to support Adrian Peterson in this.

Not in support of him, but in support that they could be next. Why do you even think this NFLPA war has anything to do with Peterson and not the bigger picture?

I can't believe you think this might happen. The possibility of a strike to support Peterson is 0.

 

[snogger]

I can't imagine the Vikings would want him playing under these circumstances. It would be enough of a distraction if everything was settled and everyone was moving on...playing under an appeal would be a circus. They'd have to at least consider cutting him if it ever got to that point.

The only way they cut him is if the NFL gives them Cap Relief..

The writing has been on the wall that he was either going to have to renegotiate his contract next year, or get traded.. So as far as this season goes, I don't see any way they'd outright release him if they rule he can play while appealing his suspension.

If they release him AND he is allowed to play during his appeal, I can almost guarantee that he would be on the "streets" for as long as it takes for a waiver claim to be put in on him.

 

[mbuehner]

So did they essentially suspend him for a season including time served? That doesnt really work because he played a game. So he was suspended for 15 games? Or did they not include time served, and he's just been suspended for 5 games? Where did 5 games come from?

The problem I always saw for the 'suspend him for the rest of the season' punishment is that it was certain to be an arbitrary number of games (and hence checks) depending on when in the season this got settled. Thats usually not a good practice when you're fighting over contract law.

 

[Insein]

I can't imagine the Vikings would want him playing under these circumstances. It would be enough of a distraction if everything was settled and everyone was moving on...playing under an appeal would be a circus. They'd have to at least consider cutting him if it ever got to that point.

The only way they cut him is if the NFL gives them Cap Relief..The writing has been on the wall that he was either going to have to renegotiate his contract next year, or get traded.. So as far as this season goes, I don't see any way they'd outright release him if they rule he can play while appealing his suspension.

If they release him AND he is allowed to play during his appeal, I can almost guarantee that he would be on the "streets" for as long as it takes for a waiver claim to be put in on him.

People won't take he PR hit on Rice but they will certainly jump all over AP.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Now if AP wins his grievance to be removed from he CEL, he can play as early as this week while he appeals the 6 game suspension. Just what the NFL wants for PR. A drawn out court battle that they have a 50\50 chance of having their 6 game suspension reduced while the player they punished can get back on the field.

Good luck with that.

 

[JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo]

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up.

There is no way NFL players will strike to support Adrian Peterson in this.

Not in support of him, but in support that they could be next. Why do you even think this NFLPA war has anything to do with Peterson and not the bigger picture?

I can't believe you think this might happen. The possibility of a strike to support Peterson is 0.

It'll be a bad public relations fiasco. I do think that there is a strong possibility of a strike in the near future but the union is likely to allow time to go by from this incident.

 

[Sinn Fein]

For a misdemeanor? This is silly

 

[Insein]

Now if AP wins his grievance to be removed from he CEL, he can play as early as this week while he appeals the 6 game suspension. Just what the NFL wants for PR. A drawn out court battle that they have a 50\50 chance of having their 6 game suspension reduced while the player they punished can get back on the field.

Good luck with that.

Its a possible scenario. Not sure luck plays into it. His grievance is decided tomorrow. If he's removed from the CEL, the Vikings have to decide whether to cut him or play him. They can't send him home because of the whole TO thing.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up.

There is no way NFL players will strike to support Adrian Peterson in this.

Not in support of him, but in support that they could be next. Why do you even think this NFLPA war has anything to do with Peterson and not the bigger picture?

I can't believe you think this might happen. The possibility of a strike to support Peterson is 0.

NOT IN SUPPORT OF PETERSON, BUT FOR A NEW PERSONAL CONDUCT POLICY! Some in the union can consider this harsh punishment and what is going on with how Rice is treated by the commish and from what Fujita tweeted. Sorry, just because people make mistakes does not meant hey do not have rights allowed to them by a CBA that is not being fulfilled correctly.

Sorry for all caps, but some are obviously misunderstanding the point I have made clear.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

I feel confident they will suspend all players who whip children to the point of raising welts on the youngster's genitals. As for other misdemeanors, shoplifting, disturbing the peace, not so much.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

I can't imagine the Vikings would want him playing under these circumstances. It would be enough of a distraction if everything was settled and everyone was moving on...playing under an appeal would be a circus. They'd have to at least consider cutting him if it ever got to that point.

The only way they cut him is if the NFL gives them Cap Relief..

The writing has been on the wall that he was either going to have to renegotiate his contract next year, or get traded.. So as far as this season goes, I don't see any way they'd outright release him if they rule he can play while appealing his suspension.

If they release him AND he is allowed to play during his appeal, I can almost guarantee that he would be on the "streets" for as long as it takes for a waiver claim to be put in on him.

They have the space to eat the cap hit this year don't they? I think it is a 2.4M hit and they are still 4.8 under.

 

[Insein]

Do not forget a strike is possible if this keeps up.

There is no way NFL players will strike to support Adrian Peterson in this.

Not in support of him, but in support that they could be next. Why do you even think this NFLPA war has anything to do with Peterson and not the bigger picture?

I can't believe you think this might happen. The possibility of a strike to support Peterson is 0.

NOT IN SUPPORT OF PETERSON, BUT FOR A NEW PERSONAL CONDUCT POLICY! Some in the union can consider this harsh punishment and what is going on with how Rice is treated by the commish and from what Fujita tweeted. Sorry, just because people make mistakes does not meant hey do not have rights allowed to them by a CBA that is not being fulfilled correctly.

Sorry for all caps, but some are obviously misunderstanding the point I have made clear.

Yea but there is no way they strike now. They'd be crushed easily by the NFL with just the words child abuser. They need some distance before they even think of striking. But the sentiment is certainly there.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So did they essentially suspend him for a season including time served? That doesnt really work because he played a game. So he was suspended for 15 games? Or did they not include time served, and he's just been suspended for 5 games? Where did 5 games come from?

The problem I always saw for the 'suspend him for the rest of the season' punishment is that it was certain to be an arbitrary number of games (and hence checks) depending on when in the season this got settled. Thats usually not a good practice when you're fighting over contract law.

its not arbitrary, there are 6 games left,and thats whats allowable under the new PCP, 6 games for first offense domestic violence.

The paid vacation was nice for ADP

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

BTW.. Should get REAL interesting to see how this plays out when the next player gets charged with a misdemeanor..

If they are going to suspend all players under the "Personal Conduct" rule for misdemeanors..

I feel confident they will suspend all players who whip children to the point of raising welts on the youngster's genitals. As for other misdemeanors, shoplifting, disturbing the peace, not so much.

See that's funny. They watch Rice beat down his own wife in a public area... mmmmm, two games... their moral barometer is up and down.

 

[White Lightning]

Now if AP wins his grievance to be removed from he CEL, he can play as early as this week while he appeals the 6 game suspension. Just what the NFL wants for PR. A drawn out court battle that they have a 50\50 chance of having their 6 game suspension reduced while the player they punished can get back on the field.

Good luck with that.

Its a possible scenario. Not sure luck plays into it. His grievance is decided tomorrow. If he's removed from the CEL, the Vikings have to decide whether to cut him or play him. They can't send him home because of the whole TO thing.

Didn't an arbitrator decide that AP would be suspended for the remainder of the year? If so, is this arbitrator neutral or employed by the NFL? Who decides the appeal? If the arbitrator is neutral I wouldn't expect the appeal to be successfull, and if it is, I only think the suspension would be reduced to 3-4 games.